IM DROOLING OVER THESE!!!

[farmgirl88]

Im drooling over these!!!


Fabulous Native 3yr. old 16.2hh bay gelding
Sound and ready for a new career. Very nice horse for this price
$600 obo to great home
Horse is located at Golden Gate Fields
2.8.09 (BN23) Owner/Trainer
Bill Morey
650-787-8423

http://www.canterusa.org/california/salesphotos/FabulousNative.jpg


River Luck 8yr. old 16hh bay mare
Sound, old tendon but it is so small you can't see it. She has had a year off. Trainer had held on to her to breed but has decided find her a new home. Beautiful mare with presence galore.
$2000 neg to great home
Horse is located at Golden Gate Fields
2.8.09 (BN51) Owner/Trainer
Doug Utley
510-385-4031


http://www.canterusa.org/california/salesphotos/riverluck_02.jpg

http://www.canterusa.org/california/salesphotos/riverluck_01.jpg

[shawneeAcres]

Boy if that first guy was on the east coast he would ALREADY be munching hay in my barn!!

[Paint Hunter/Jumper]

they are gorgeous!

[Tha Ridge]

Oh, man, that girl is just a doll. Wonder what she moves like.

[Seven-up]

I knew these were the 2 that you would post! We have the same taste for sure!


The front end on that mare is impressive!

[CaliforniaSyndrome]

Ill be joining that same taste category, anyone know what shipping rates are from Ca to Nj? I want the mare!

[horserider12]

the mare is just a jumper waiting to happen with that conformation, gorgeous!

[Seven-up]

Ill be joining that same taste category, anyone know what shipping rates are from Ca to Nj? I want the mare!

Do it do it do it do it! I know a good shipper! Haha! :lol:

[gypsymare]

NJ? The Center PA Canter site has some GORGEOUS horses advertised at Penn National.

[scpezold]

Both are drool worthy. Is the first a bleached bay or does he have a full clip? Find it hard him being bleached if he is at the track. Interesting color.

[looseringsnaffle]

Both are drool worthy. Is the first a bleached bay or does he have a full clip? Find it hard him being bleached if he is at the track. Interesting color.

Looks clipped, to me.

Wish I had the $ for that mare!

[Sarabeth]

Yeah, he looks freshly clipped. Those weird lines will be DAPPLES when his coat comes back! CUTE horses.

[CaliforniaSyndrome]

Do it do it do it do it! I know a good shipper! Haha! :lol:

I'm looking into rates, and becoming nervous about the previous injury (which mean I am pretty serious!)

I just got an ottb, LOL like I need another.

(this is slsdelmar btw)

[Pokey]

http://www.pedigreequery.com/fabulous+native2

http://www.pedigreequery.com/river+luck2

the first one's got an interesting pedigree..

get one...get both.

[Seven-up]

Pssst, CaliSyndrome... don't know if you're thinking hunter or jumper, so here's one of each!

Check out these ones on CANTER PA:

Slew City Dan- 17+h, 4 yr. gelding. Love love LOVE this one!
http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/SlewCityDan-1.jpg
http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/SlewCityDan-2.jpg

Here To Please- 16.1h 4 yr. gelding. Has some puffy ankles but they say it's just fluid buildup. ??
http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/HereToPlease-1.jpg
http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/HereToPlease-2.jpg
what a cute face! http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/HereToPlease-3.jpg


Enjoy!:D

[dwblover]

Oh man, all of these guys/gals are gorgeous!!! And pertaining to the last guy, my OTTB has the puffy ankles as well. Just fluid, no tendon involvement at all, so it is possible. He is so cute!!!!!

[dauntless]

LOVE the first gelding posted! Wow!!

[CaliforniaSyndrome]

Pssst, CaliSyndrome... don't know if you're thinking hunter or jumper, so here's one of each!

Check out these ones on CANTER PA:

Slew City Dan- 17+h, 4 yr. gelding. Love love LOVE this one!
http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/SlewCityDan-1.jpg
http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/SlewCityDan-2.jpg

Here To Please- 16.1h 4 yr. gelding. Has some puffy ankles but they say it's just fluid buildup. ??
http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/HereToPlease-1.jpg
http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/HereToPlease-2.jpg
what a cute face! http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/HereToPlease-3.jpg


Enjoy!:D

I like the last one! He really does have a nice eye and such a cute face. But that CA mare is so darn 'standoutish'. If I wasn't on my iPhone id look through the PA Canter horses.

[farmgirl88]

I knew everyone here would love them. The first guy is only 3 and still has a lot of filling out to do but he is really lovely. he is clipped and he is a bay so just imagine what hed look like with his summer coat and a bit of weight...WHEW!

The mare is just stunning. absolutely stunning. imagine the sport horse foal out of her!! I Can see why the trainer held onto her to breed. Her sires photo is really nice too. hes really well put-together

[gg4918]

I'm talking to daddy about the mare as we speak!!

[findeight]

Some who post on here asking about OTTBs really need to look at these to see what is out there and for how much.

I LIKE the gelding. If I was thinking about breeding sporthorses, I like that mare's pedigree for a good outcross. No stud du jour for the yearling sales on there, just good performers...don't often see that Round Table and Olden Times that close any more. And she performed well enough and seems a decent type overall.

Lots of quality in both of these. Not perfect of course. But well priced with an owner who wants to move them on to good homes...and no holes in the backstory-honest representation.

Worth a shot if you are looking.

[over the moon]

Is it normal for them to take confo. shots with the horses in polos/wraps? That generally throws me off; like they're trying to hide something.

I do quite like both the gelding and the mare though.

[chestnutmarebeware]

Photos with wraps on are entirely common—the groom and/or trainers aren't always concentrating on presenting the horse for a true confo shot. The horses are standing in their stalls, wrapped for the day, the photographer shows up, the horse is brought out, dusted off, and Bob's your uncle!

I definitely wouldn't assume the trainer is trying to hide anything—I've taken four horses right off the track and have always gotten full disclosure of any problems, soreness or vices. And in several cases, things that were made to sound dire were easily fixed with a little rest, shoeing, etc.

[MLP]

Both horses are lovely, I just don't know how no one commented on the first mare picture, that there is blood on the wraps and a small puddle behind the front legs. Nose bleed or something worse. That is what worries me, not that it affects value or potential of the mare but what are they doing to these poor TBs.....

ETA: She is in great weight and looks the part of a jumper, just curious about the blood

[Firebug]

Oh I shouldn't have opened this thread. Both horses are very lovely. The gelding looks sweet and the mare looks like a jumper with those muscles. (She almost looks part WB being that beefy)

[Firebug]

http://www.pedigreequery.com/fabulous+native2

the first one's got an interesting pedigree..



Why is his pedigree interesting? Bad interesting or good interesting?
Sorry I don't know much about TB blood lines.

[findeight]

Didn't bother me at all, maybe she nicked her nose in the stall. Not hiding anything IMO. Don't see any "puddle of blood" either. If it amounted to anything, they would have rewrapped so you couldn't see anything, minor stable boo boo is my guess. Even if she bled a little at work, most (if not all as some believe) of them do and I doubt anybody would buy this one as a race horse or breed one out of her.

And, about the wraps? They are not taking time out to pull them and rewrap. Plus if they were trying to hide anything other then a tendon, they did a bad job-you can see the joints pretty well, if you want to hide anything, you start higher and end lower so the joint is hidden.

These are honest photos taken at a working race barn. I have gotten to not trust the exceptionally well prepared and posed ones-too easy to hide too many things in a pretty, carefully posed shot.

[drmgncolor]

Boy if that first guy was on the east coast he would ALREADY be munching hay in my barn!!

no kidding! he's gorgeous!

[MLP]

Didn't bother me at all, maybe she nicked her nose in the stall. Not hiding anything IMO. Don't see any "puddle of blood" either. If it amounted to anything, they would have rewrapped so you couldn't see anything, minor stable boo boo is my guess. Even if she bled a little at work, most (if not all as some believe) of them do and I doubt anybody would buy this one as a race horse or breed one out of her.

And, about the wraps? They are not taking time out to pull them and rewrap. Plus if they were trying to hide anything other then a tendon, they did a bad job-you can see the joints pretty well, if you want to hide anything, you start higher and end lower so the joint is hidden.

These are honest photos taken at a working race barn. I have gotten to not trust the exceptionally well prepared and posed ones-too easy to hide too many things in a pretty, carefully posed shot.

Yes I agree the wraps are not a concern to me, nor do I think they are hiding something. It looks like a nose bleed and then the horse rubbed it's nose on the wraps, just something I noticed. Of course they have lasiks (sp?) for the bleeders too, I just think that it is a sign of pushing them past their limit. As for the horse herself, I definitely don't think it would make me think twice about taking her, she has nice conformation, a good coat, good feed and is in good weight and build for jumping. I think whoever gets her is lucky! Just an observation.

[chawley]

I really like both of them! If I had to chose, probably take the colt, as I like how his head is set on more than hers, but she's hard to fault over all. I hope you get one!!!

[over the moon]

Thanks, good to know re: the wraps. I'm not a big browser of sale ads from horses on the track, so my comment was based more on general sale ads. If I were looking at a sale ad for a horse on any other type of classified site (ie, bigeq, equine, warmbloods-for-sale, etc), I would wonder about a conformation shot of a horse in polos or wraps.

[findeight]

Oh, I didn't say either was perfect...the mare has smallish feet and looks to toe in a bit, probably paddles. Gelding appears a little set under behind and might be slightly back at the knee. Both appear minor and would be of little consequence assuming they clear the pre vet. Both obviously have gotten around fine so far in life.

But, you can see these minor flaws when you get honest pictures and honest representation. None are perfect, best to be honest about what'cha got.

Either of these is much better quality them most and would be worth picking up if you were shopping and had a spot for one that needs alot of work-which they certainly do.

But you would end up with something after all the work, not the case with too many pictured on here for opinions. You have to start with something to get something in the end.

[sisu27]

Pssst, CaliSyndrome... don't know if you're thinking hunter or jumper, so here's one of each!

Check out these ones on CANTER PA:

Slew City Dan- 17+h, 4 yr. gelding. Love love LOVE this one!
http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/SlewCityDan-1.jpg
http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/SlewCityDan-2.jpg

Here To Please- 16.1h 4 yr. gelding. Has some puffy ankles but they say it's just fluid buildup. ??
http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/HereToPlease-1.jpg
http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/HereToPlease-2.jpg
what a cute face! http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/HereToPlease-3.jpg


Enjoy!:D

I love anything with some Slew in them...I'd take him in a heartbeat! He is CUTE! And huge. Make a nice bookend for my Slew baby.

Love the mare in the first post too.

Must win lotto or marry rich SOON:winkgrin:

[justdandy]

I like the gelding A LOT!!!!!!! I would absolutely love to see him in person.

The mare is also gorgeous!!! As for the stuff on the wraps, my guess is she's a bandage chewer and it looks like they painted them with cayenne(sp?) pepper or something. It looks like the stuff behind her front legs is just poop/dirt. I don't think the CANTER volunteers would post pictures of a horse with blood on/around it. If they had, they probably would have made a note in the ad about her nicking her nose or something. JMO.:yes:

[BlueMoonJumper]

Geez, here I am trying to figure out where I'm going to get the money to breed my fancy-warmblood-dream-jumper, but that mare makes me want to think twice. If she is sound and sane, what a bargain she could be. She certainly looks like she'd be quick and handy.

[MLP]

I like the gelding A LOT!!!!!!! I would absolutely love to see him in person.

The mare is also gorgeous!!! As for the stuff on the wraps, my guess is she's a bandage chewer and it looks like they painted them with cayenne(sp?) pepper or something. It looks like the stuff behind her front legs is just poop/dirt. I don't think the CANTER volunteers would post pictures of a horse with blood on/around it. If they had, they probably would have made a note in the ad about her nicking her nose or something. JMO.:yes:

I guess, I just figured that stuff is generally used for standing wraps, not polo wraps but maybe they have to stand wrapped in the stall and she would pull them off, which of course could cause injury. I like her, I do agree looking again that she could possibly be toed in, not a huge deal though. She looks like she has been cared for, which is nice, some of them look so tucked up and thin that you want to just throw them some hay.

[justdandy]

I guess, I just figured that stuff is generally used for standing wraps, not polo wraps but maybe they have to stand wrapped in the stall and she would pull them off, which of course could cause injury. I like her, I do agree looking again that she could possibly be toed in, not a huge deal though. She looks like she has been cared for, which is nice, some of them look so tucked up and thin that you want to just throw them some hay.

Those are standing wraps.:eek::) I can see where they could look like polo wraps, but they're most definitely standing wraps. I have never seen anyone on the track put polos on that far "above" the ankle. Polos on the track always come down under the ankle.

[Marney]

I was just looking at that gelding and was going to call on him tonight. I am actually looking for an eventing prospect. I wasn't really looking for an OTTB but at that price with that kind of body it might be worth a shot. I just love his kind look!!

[Triplicate]

Tie the two from California together and head them east ... when they get to the farm I'll send a check for both.

[foursocks]

My thought when I saw the stains was "Eh, a wrap chewer, probably has some chew-deterring mixture smeared on."

Gorgeous TBs!

[CaliforniaSyndrome]

If the mare wasn't 2k with an unknown tendon issue I'd probably jump on the 4k shipping quote to get her here in NJ. But 2k with a tendon injury makes me nervous.

Oh man! She would be an amazing pet/brood mare though, and worth a shot at jumping depending on what exactly the injury is.

[maxxtrot]

i would take that first gelding in a heartbeat, if he was on the east coast as well wow!

[Firebug]

I was just looking at that gelding and was going to call on him tonight. I am actually looking for an eventing prospect. I wasn't really looking for an OTTB but at that price with that kind of body it might be worth a shot. I just love his kind look!!

Let us know what happens. I was thinking about calling as well, but I don't really need another horse.

[Artie]

That gelding is adorable! Someone please go get him before I have to beg my parents to let me get a new one...and that might be a problem since im out of stalls for a few months

[Seven-up]

I was actually thinking the stuff on the mare's wraps looked sort of like iodine. It's kind of orangey, like that betadine scrub.

I've been known to get stuff on my hands and wipe it off on whatever is closest...shoulder, tail, wraps (as long as they're not mine...:winkgrin:)


I'm considering robbing a convenience store for that big 17h monster I posted earlier...I just love the look of that chocolate chunk!

[unclewiggly]

Reality check.
You want those wraps off BEFORE you get carried away, and see them flex n jog!!
From someone who buys lots of OTTB's they call the CANTER gals to come out and take photo's list the horses. They know the days they are coming.
If the legs aer clean w/ no ankle jewelry the wraps would/should be off.

[Firebug]

Reality check.
You want those wraps off BEFORE you get carried away, and see them flex n jog!!
From someone who buys lots of OTTB's they call the CANTER gals to come out and take photo's list the horses. They know the days they are coming.
If the legs aer clean w/ no ankle jewelry the wraps would/should be off.

yes if anyone is seriously thinking about any horse off the track, get a picture of the horse without wraps (if you can) and a vet check is a must. If you can go see the horse in person that's even better.

[Seven-up]

I've seen notations before on CANTER about the wraps. For instance, they're listing horses and are approached by another trainer who wants to list a horse without advance notice. They just go down the row, and the trainer will pull one out and say, might as well list this one too...


Anyway, I think the point is to just give you a general idea of what the horse looks like. They are rarely stood up correctly to give an accurate confo shot. My favorite is the giraffe pose that makes even a lovely-necked horse look like someone stuck their neck on upside down.

I definitely agree you should see the legs without wraps on, how the horse moves, etc. Many trainers will send you additional pics if you ask them. And obviously a vet check should be done anyway. When I look at the CANTER photos, I don't automatically think someone's trying to hide something. I just think they interrupted the horse's regular routine--they came by and took pictures after the horse had already been poulticed and wrapped and tucked in for the night. Now, if they don't want to send you any pics with the wraps off, that's another story.

[farmgirl88]

for those who are weary of the tendon issue- call the trainer. just dont assume. A phone call doesnt hurt. Get the DL on the situation- especially if you're that interested. If you get a good response from the trainer- do a PPE.

It is common for these horses to have wraps on. Dont judge them as having issues just because the wraps are on. Additional photos canbe taken. just ask.

[over the moon]

Since I started the wrap debate, I just wanted to clarify that I am not looking down on any horses or assuming that they have conformational faults because of a photo depicting them in wraps. I am merely not familiar with the process of listing these horses for sale, so my initial reaction to seeing a sale ad with a horse in wraps is wondering what is underneath said wraps.

After the explanation given to me by others, it makes me much less skeptical than if I were to see it in a typical sale ad. But as the above posters remarked, if I were interested in buying one of these horses, I would certainly take further steps, as I would with any sale.

Anyway, just wanted to be clear that I am not presuming that these trainers are trying to hide anything with the wraps. :)

[bornfreenowexpensive]

If the mare wasn't 2k with an unknown tendon issue I'd probably jump on the 4k shipping quote to get her here in NJ. But 2k with a tendon injury makes me nervous.

Oh man! She would be an amazing pet/brood mare though, and worth a shot at jumping depending on what exactly the injury is.


Personally...I think she has a fabulous pedigree for sports breeding....lots of good stuff including Wild Risk still on the first page. Sir Gaylord, Round Table...lots of others. AND she is a looker too. It would be a gamble with 6K....like they all are. But she has the breeding potential as well as the riding potential.

I'd ask if she raced on the old tendon (they do say it is old)....if she did race on it...I wouldn't stress about it. Get someone at Canter to look at her without the wraps for you. Also call and make an offer....or see if the trainer or Canter people know of any rides for her back east which may be cheaper than 4K. Shame she isn't on the east coast.

I like the gelding too...he screams eventer.

[Staish14]

To those who were wondering about the stuff on the mare's wraps, it is NOT blood. The people who said that it was some sort of cayenne pepper mix to deter the horses from chewing their wraps were correct. I just spent a week in January at Santa Anita and Hollywood Park shadowing some very well-known veterinarians and trainers (this was for school) and we saw this used on wraps all the time.

Those are some nice looking TBs!

[CaliforniaSyndrome]

still can't get over that mare! She resembles very little of your stereotypical TB. Looks like a big fat WB.

[maclaydreams]

Just wanted to chime in here and clear some stuff up- couldn't help but see this topic. I took both of those photographs.

The standing wraps are certainly not a concern. Even trainers who are aware that CANTER is coming tend not to take them off for photos- it really is a snap, snap situation and then the horse is away.

It is also certainly not blood on the standing wraps. I have absolutely no idea what it is, and a chewing deterrent sounds likely. But I saw dozens and dozens of them with it in various barns!

Also, mostly I want to attest to the personality of both of these horses. I have take photographs of many horses and even *I* am seriously considering snatching up River Luck. She has presence galore, as the add says- an absolute DOLL. She came out, lazy as can be, perfectly cooperative, super sweet. I have a great headshot of her- she looks like she's saying "Be my Valentine!"

The gelding is just amazing as well. It is a body clip, as one poster corrected. He as well as super sweet, compliant, and generally had a very obvious good nature. My companion gasped when they brought him out for that UNBEATABLE price! I can see him being a docile kids horse later in life, with the looks for sport as well.

These two horses really need homes and I hope one of you can give them a great one. CANTER California is off to a fantastic start thanks to the efforts of Ali, who started this branch in 2008.

[Linny]

The staining on the wraps is probably cayenne pepper. It's applied to keep the horse from chewing on the wraps. If a horse was bleeding through a wrap like that they'd not be standing out there! If you walk down the shedrows you see hundreds of such wraps.
Most horses are wrapped after exercise and since it can be a pain of a project, they don't unwrap when a CANTER volunteer comes by to take pics. It's not likely a bad sign.

[caffeinated]

Reality check.
You want those wraps off BEFORE you get carried away, and see them flex n jog!!
From someone who buys lots of OTTB's they call the CANTER gals to come out and take photo's list the horses. They know the days they are coming.


Um, well this CANTER volunteer only rarely knows in advance who she's going to see :) (seriously, if I do ten listings in one trip to the track, I might have known about one in advance)

Usually what happens is we get a bunch of people who, whether they knew we were coming or not, didn't know what time or didn't really think about it, so horses are often wrapped or poulticed. If the horse raced the night before, it's going to be wrapped and they're not going to unwrap it for two minutes of photography. :)

[Petstorejunkie]

Even my non horsesy boyfriend with a minimally trained eye commented on that bay gelding's poor conformation. ick, don't be hypnotized by his dapples

[Flypony]

Holy smokes these canter folks do a great service for us all, buyers and sellers. Theses photos are not glossy sales adds, nor are you paying for all the hype. They were by my barn on the same day, I didn't have any for them, what great girls with horses best intrest at heart. So quit the knocks....enjoy these horses they bring with them an education and a great desire to please. I really enjoyed meeting the girls from CANTER over the weekend , Thanks.

[manowar47]

Just have to say love the mare and thanks OP!! You posted her and she's trained/owned by my gelding's breeder who I've been trying to find contact info for!

[CaliforniaSyndrome]

http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/WesternTrilogy-2.jpg

[unclewiggly]

Just curious in the past (way) some horse transporters would be generous if they knew horse was an OTTB going to a home, rescue or retirement and not track. If they had a load w/ and empty stall.
worth asking.
Love the chestnut mare in Michigaen, she is CANTER owned.

[findeight]

Even my non horsesy boyfriend with a minimally trained eye commented on that bay gelding's poor conformation. ick, don't be hypnotized by his dapples

Nobody said perfect here and I am certainly not hypnotized by a crap coat color from a recent clip-really not attractive to me at all. Most would want a closer look or get somebody else to do so and to have the vet take a peek and I did say earlier he is a bit set under behind and may be back at the knee.

These are both pretty decent offerings compared to what you usually see right off the track-actually they are still at the track and in work.

When you are shopping at a price-a low one-you got pros, cons, what you can live with and price. Most could live with what that gelding appears to be built like and with the price and doubt anybody is thinking about a **** but he might make a nice horse. And he has been at the track without losing time to soundness issues.

Already said, IF I were looking to breed sporthorses, I would take that mare based on her bloodline and overall type. My own mare has that Olden Times and Round Table in her tail female and has that same body as well as overall look...toes in a little as well.

[Jessi P]

Racehorses get their legs wrapped daily. They are usually wrapped ("done up") after exercise & cool out, before their brunch. CANTER folks usually come thru after training hours, when it is quiet and the trainer can accommodate them. If a horse already has wraps on, the trainer is not going to take them off for pics, then re-wrap them. Under those bandages might be poultice, cotton and plastic or furacin, cotton and plastic, both of which would require spraying legs off before a pic can be taken. Why have the groom wrap the horse just to re-do it in a couple hours? And a pic for CANTER is often an afterthought - not the main goal with a particular horse for the morning.

The red on the bandages is either Rap Last spray or cayenne pepper mixed with water then brushed onto the velcro/pins on the bandage. The horse can grab onto the velcro or pins (yes I am old and still use pins sometimes) and try to rip it off, which is why the Raplast is sprayed on the places on the bandage that a horse can manipulate with its teeth.

[Equinoxfox]

HEY JESSI...
I am so glad you chimned in here. YOU ALL need to listen to this lady . SHE is a Race Track Owner/ Trainer. She knows her stuff. There is no need for you all to get your " panties in a bunch" over the wraps. I mean come on . These CANTER volunteers go out to take the pictures so you have something as a basis to go by in making a decision on purchasing a horse. These are NOT glorified , photo shop pictures.. Just a basic overview of the horse in particular.
SO quit your complaining and moaning .. Just think of the horse and try to save a life....:D

[LetsChat]

HEY JESSI...
I am so glad you chimned in here. YOU ALL need to listen to this lady . SHE is a Race Track Owner/ Trainer. She knows her stuff. There is no need for you all to get your " panties in a bunch" over the wraps. I mean come on . These CANTER volunteers go out to take the pictures so you have something as a basis to go by in making a decision on purchasing a horse. These are NOT glorified , photo shop pictures.. Just a basic overview of the horse in particular.
SO quit your complaining and moaning .. Just think of the horse and try to save a life....:D

Phew, finally a voice of reason. Who cares if it has wraps or not, who cares what is on the wraps, the horse looks good and is healthy and needs a job. If you are that interested contact the trainer and go look at it. I mean you wouldn't buy a horse based on picture anyway, it's just to give you an idea. You would have to go try it and see it to know. I haven't logged in for a long time because I was sick of the cattiness and viciousness of posters and I see it hasn't changed. Get out and ride and quit the b*tchin' about every little detail, misspelling, misunderstanding and whatnot. Geez :mad::confused::mad:

[Equinoxfox]

GREAT POST.. LOVE THE WAY YOU THINK.
AND YES IT HAS NOT CHANGED.. THESE WOMEN AND I USE THAT TERM LITELY... ARE A HOTT MESS... THIS BB IS FULL OF IT....:no:

[Firebug]

Just wanted to chime in here and clear some stuff up- couldn't help but see this topic. I took both of those photographs.



Thank you for taking the time to go out to the track and take photos of these horses. Having photos of the horses on CANTER really improves the chance these horses will find new homes.

[Jessi P]

The CANTER volunteers do a much needed job - for just the satisfaction of helping some horses into a softer spot after their racing career is over. MCD a big thank you for taking the time to volunteer to take pics - it's not as easy as it seems, I know.

EF, thanks for the nice comments. :) I know you are still waiting on me to get some pics of a certain fancy schmancy red horse with white out the wazoo... thanks for being patient. There just aren't enough hours in the day to get it all done. :winkgrin:

[Triplicate]

This is the most amazing thread. It shows the obvious huge reasons there aren't too many Tb's at the shows.
Few people will go to the track and buy a cheap horse without bad mouthing the trainer, the clipping job, the fact the bandages are on, spending the time and energy involved, etc.
There aren't enough good horsemen to jump a horse in the shedrow aisle over a couple bales of straw and decide if it is sound enough and pretty enough - whether or not to roll the dice and invest a couple thousand dollars.
I paid $450 for one at the track ( he had bowed 3 times - never was unsound after he rested and was blistered) and he ended up Junior Jumper of the Year and a consistant ribbon winner in the Equitation classes and Finals. Later became an Amateur Hunter.
Another $12,500 TB was champion at every, and I mean every major show - turned down a blank check for him.
Tried to claim a nice mare ( she ran for $2500 ) - lost her in the shake, she ended up being on of the winningest conformation horse ever. Year after year.
Bought a beautiful brown colt - had the exercise boy jump him over a little makeshift jump outside of the barn - a $ 7,500 bargain and he was one the very best Amateur horses of his era. The people who bought him paid nearly 50 times what I did.
Yes, there are lots of nice Thoroughbrd horses out there. You take them home, jump them two or three times, if they jerk their knees and have a half a brain, you give them time- lots of time.
And if he/she cannot mentally deal with the show horse life, you find him another nice home where they will fit in.
Don't try to put a square peg in a round hole, for the horse's sake.
Not every horse can make the life style change, but there are many who can.
But please do not bad mouth the people at the race track who are trying to find homes for their horses.

[dmj]

LOVE that gelding, tried to look him up on pedigree query but it is not working for me right now. Any horse with 'Native' in him is worth a look IMO, my Native Dancer grandson is a phenomenal jumper with the kindest heart you could ever ask for.

The mare is pretty but I don't do mares :)

[farmgirl88]

I think everyone would be amazed how much these horses change once they have some fat weight added on. They really fill out and turn into even better looking horses once in a program where they can have muscle but not be over muscled.

I agree with the previous post- about folks who see bandages or a minor previous injury and gasp and then run away. My horse had an injury during his 3 year old year, and raced sound until he was 8 and then i purchased him. he still hasnt been lame...at all.

Even bows can heal with the right care and time and the horse can come back just as good. My friends eventer bowed both his hinds and is still competing with no issues.

Once people hear the word previous injury, no matter what it is, they immediately look away.

I think the gelding could be an absolutely lovely looking horse with some weight- like i said you'd be amazed. He is still only 3. he still has growing to do. his butt is still higher than his withers and hes going to grow. no doubt about that.

[bornfreenowexpensive]

This is the most amazing thread. It shows the obvious huge reasons there aren't too many Tb's at the shows.
Few people will go to the track and buy a cheap horse without bad mouthing the trainer, the clipping job, the fact the bandages are on, spending the time and energy involved, etc.
There aren't enough good horsemen to jump a horse in the shedrow aisle over a couple bales of straw and decide if it is sound enough and pretty enough - whether or not to roll the dice and invest a couple thousand dollars.
I paid $450 for one at the track ( he had bowed 3 times - never was unsound after he rested and was blistered) and he ended up Junior Jumper of the Year and a consistant ribbon winner in the Equitation classes and Finals. Later became an Amateur Hunter.
Another $12,500 TB was champion at every, and I mean every major show - turned down a blank check for him.
Tried to claim a nice mare ( she ran for $2500 ) - lost her in the shake, she ended up being on of the winningest conformation horse ever. Year after year.
Bought a beautiful brown colt - had the exercise boy jump him over a little makeshift jump outside of the barn - a $ 7,500 bargain and he was one the very best Amateur horses of his era. The people who bought him paid nearly 50 times what I did.
Yes, there are lots of nice Thoroughbrd horses out there. You take them home, jump them two or three times, if they jerk their knees and have a half a brain, you give them time- lots of time.
And if he/she cannot mentally deal with the show horse life, you find him another nice home where they will fit in.
Don't try to put a square peg in a round hole, for the horse's sake.
Not every horse can make the life style change, but there are many who can.
But please do not bad mouth the people at the race track who are trying to find homes for their horses.



And I would add....they also never look the way in photos as they do in person. You absolutely can not judge conformation based on a single photo.....or even multiple photos. What you can tell is whether you like their basic look. Then you need to go and LOOK at them in person....put your hands on them and take a closer look at their structure. You can not even judge how they will move when still at the track or the farm....that will change substantially. People with experience get good at looking past the trackiness or immaturity and seeing the potential. And you are not talking about expensive horses here.....even in todays market. I bought one that had been off the track for a year....and basically dumped in a field for several months after proving to be too much horse for his teenage owner. The trainer for the former owner saw me with the horse 3 months after I bought him and had to pick her chin up off the ground. Couldn't believe it was the same horse. They can change a lot...but you can tell the raw potential when you look at them in person.

It is a gamble...but all horses are a gamble. Personally...these are good looking horses that if I was in the market...I'd go and look at them with money in my pocket and a trailer attached to my truck.

[unclewiggly]

Triplicate I beg to disagree, the trend is slowly moving the TB back into the show arena.
In the past 3 weeks I have sold 4 and in the fall I sold 4.6 will be showing, 1 will be bred to a top hunter sire by a very well know IHF competetor and the last one went to a respected event rider.
But no where on any backside can you 1. ride a prospect and 2. jump it over a few bales of straw. That ship sailed a long long tome ago.
You are lucky if they are willing to give a real trot not a short shanked 1/2 jig.
W/ good reason fit high horses can hurt themselves.
It takes an eye and practice to buy from a walk and just flat out observing the horse.
Clip jobs, bad manes and crummy shoeing can be fixed but no matter how lovely they look in a photo, w/o seeing wraps off, asking good questions about soundness history (like ankle or knee taps) its all window shopping.
Sorry if the trainer really wanted to sell the horse (no poultice in photo) wraps off. Showing those nice ankles will get more buyers than covered up legs.
It doesn't take that long to put on a set of front standing bandages. They didn't appear to have a sweat or poultice.
And this is very safe virtual shopping, they are in CA safe and far away:)

[Triplicate]

I have a group of trainers who are happy, thrilled in fact, when we show up and yes, they will let us hop one over some straw bales in the aisle or get a brave soul (exercise rider ) to jog one around. We are willing to pay a little more to be able to do that.

We get up early, watch them walk to the track and then talk to trainers.

Yup, it takes a lot of time but it can be done.

You need to cultivate a group of trainers who will help you help them.

I didn't say the thoroughbreds were a thing of the past, I said that we had been quite sucessful finding them and making them into show horses and event horses.

One of the easiest ways to find nice horses is to have a cheap horse at the track with a trainer, someone who has a bit of a show horse backround. We pay a commission for everyone one they find for us.

The trainers also like it when you don't take their time pulling wraps off horses you aren't interested in or bad mouthing their operation.
Please, thank you and yes, sir really work.

You are right, you do have to look and make a decision and then live with it.

The rescue people who post these race horses looking for a new job are to be commended for what they do !

[Seven-up]

The wrap thing has been done to death, and already buried. It was one person who mentioned it, and it wasn't to be catty; the person was asking if it was standard operating procedure. We all said, yes, it was. Most of us ignore if there are wraps on in a pic.


Carry on. :winkgrin:

[Firebug]

Most of us ignore if there are wraps on in a pic.

Carry on. :winkgrin:

Exactly, I don't think anything of a race horse having wraps on.

[unclewiggly]

Triplicate I so want the trainers names who let you jump their race horses over straw bales in the shedrow and the tracks name.
I buy about 10 - 15 horses a year @ various tracks and have cultivated good contacts, some w/ previous or current show horse back grounds. They call when they have what they know I will like, but jumping straw bales in the shedrow is not an option. Would make buying so much easier. And I am not being facetious. Jogging on track in AM helps or even seeing in post parade.
Off track @ farm is entirely diffrent situation.

[Jessi P]

Anyone else remember this one.... gal is looking at a horse at the track, & starts dragging a bale of straw out of hay shed to see if she can get him to pop over the small jump with a lead rope to see what he did with his legs.

Trainer says "WHOA there young lady, you cant jump that racehorse over that there bale of straw!"

Gal replies "Why can't I?"

Trainer says "Because if you jump him over that then he is a jumper and I want $2500 more!"

[Seven-up]

Anyone else remember this one.... gal is looking at a horse at the track, & starts dragging a bale of straw out of hay shed to see if she can get him to pop over the small jump with a lead rope to see what he did with his legs.

Trainer says "WHOA there young lady, you cant jump that racehorse over that there bale of straw!"

Gal replies "Why can't I?"

Trainer says "Because if you jump him over that then he is a jumper and I want $2500 more!"

:yes::lol:

[unclewiggly]

That old chestnut doesn't fall so far from the tree.
Its unfortunate but in this economic climate there are people who want what horse will eventually re-sell for...now.
In some eyes if we buy horse for $1500. and re-school on flat and start over fences and can get say $5000. some sellers/trainers feel horse is worth that now.
Case in point nice big pretty horse for sale on a site (mentioned on another thread) $6000. for a horse that is being sold w/ no new skills its a race horse still at track looking for a new job.

[Equinoxfox]

You definately got that right . It truely amazing in this economy today.;)

[Triplicate]

Dear Wiggly-

After a long time of cultivating the trainers I buy from, I hardly think I would share my list.

It has cost extra time and money to get this job done, but is well worth the money to see what a horse may do when having a little jump.

As I said before, having a horse or two at the track has helped quite a bit.
Several trainers go to my trainer to ask if we need any "slow horses".

Just keep an eye out when you shop at the track and the people jogging one over a couple bales of straw in the aisle just might be us !

I love going to the track to shop !

And Bless the people who post the pictures and save the horses.

[Seven-up]

Bumping for this lovely girl in PA:

“Halo”, chestnut mare, 15.2½ hands, coming 4 years old. Lovely young horse! This mare has nice angles with a beautifully set neck that make her stand out as a sport horse. She has a cute, flowing style of movement so we expect she’ll be an ideal prospect in any discipline. With Halo on top and Notebook on the bottom, this mare’s pedigree should also entice her share of breeders. Please note, Halo has some rounding of the ankles but they do not bother her in the least and she trots SOUND. While training well, this girl has lost the desire to race, so she needs to move. $800. Marcia Wolfe 717-926-2788 or e mail MarciaW2@aol.com.

http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/HelloAgainHalo-1.jpg
http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/HelloAgainHalo-2.jpg
http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/HelloAgainHalo-3.jpg


I debated on whether I should post this colt, as he has a fresh suspensory injury, but he's so gorgeous it would make you slap your momma, so why not?

http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/BabyRusch-1.jpg
http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/BabyRusch-2.jpg
http://www.canterusa.org/pennsylvania/horsephotos/BabyRusch-3.jpg

Baby Rusch, black bay colt, 16.0 hands, coming 6 years old. Hubba, hubba – this horse is a HUNK, absolutely gorgeous! Beautifully put together, this boy looks like a power house, but with the elegance for which Thoroughbreds are bred. Baby Rusch is still intact so he could be sought after for breeding or he could easily be gelded and you’d end up with a horse who has the looks of a stallion and the personality of a pet. This horse is super sweet and respectful with a very intelligent, but soft eye. His trainer describes the horse as a VERY good mover and from what we saw, we fully agree. The trainer only has the horse’s best interest in mind and wants to see him go to someone who values the boy the way he does. Unfortunately, he had a suspensory injury last week and full diagnostics have not yet been completed. Based on this type of injury, he will most likely be looking for a non-jumping home and a certain amount of layup will be required, but this horse is clearly worth it. This horse is STUNNING, you will not be disappointed! $500, with special considerations to the perfect home. Jeremiah Englehart 516-770-0085.

Hell of a pedigree, even to my untrained eye: http://www.pedigreequery.com/baby+rusch

[Angela Freda]

This is the most amazing thread. It shows the obvious huge reasons there aren't too many Tb's at the shows.
Few people will go to the track and buy a cheap horse without bad mouthing the trainer, the clipping job, the fact the bandages are on, spending the time and energy involved, etc.
There aren't enough good horsemen to jump a horse in the shedrow aisle over a couple bales of straw and decide if it is sound enough and pretty enough - whether or not to roll the dice and invest a couple thousand dollars.
I paid $450 for one at the track ( he had bowed 3 times - never was unsound after he rested and was blistered) and he ended up Junior Jumper of the Year and a consistant ribbon winner in the Equitation classes and Finals. Later became an Amateur Hunter.
Another $12,500 TB was champion at every, and I mean every major show - turned down a blank check for him.
Tried to claim a nice mare ( she ran for $2500 ) - lost her in the shake, she ended up being on of the winningest conformation horse ever. Year after year.
Bought a beautiful brown colt - had the exercise boy jump him over a little makeshift jump outside of the barn - a $ 7,500 bargain and he was one the very best Amateur horses of his era. The people who bought him paid nearly 50 times what I did.
Yes, there are lots of nice Thoroughbrd horses out there. You take them home, jump them two or three times, if they jerk their knees and have a half a brain, you give them time- lots of time.
And if he/she cannot mentally deal with the show horse life, you find him another nice home where they will fit in.
Don't try to put a square peg in a round hole, for the horse's sake.
Not every horse can make the life style change, but there are many who can.
But please do not bad mouth the people at the race track who are trying to find homes for their horses.

BRAVO!