Dressage stallions with Hanoverian G-line in pedigree

[Stacie]

Looking for some suggestions for stallions with Grande in third generation or closer.

[sniplover]

Ok, just from googling I've found grandsons;

http://www.bridlewoodhanoverians.com/guarantor.php

http://www.landgestuet.nrw.de/index.php?id=52&L=1&hengstid=89

Also there is Ragtime, although it maybe looks like he's not approved hanoverian? http://www.chinabluefarm.com/RagtimeHanoverianStallion.html

[RedMare01]

http://www.bridlewoodhanoverians.com/bordeaux.php

Grande is the damsire.

Caitlin

[Stacie]

Also there is Ragtime, although it maybe looks like he's not approved hanoverian? http://www.chinabluefarm.com/RagtimeHanoverianStallion.html

Thanks sniplover, I changed the title because I don't actually care if the stallion is licensed Hanoverian. I saw a KWPN that had grande but he's in Ireland.

[sniplover]

Sure thing Stacie; I like Bretano II but don't know if there's any frozen left!

[MagicRoseFarm]

Stacie, Which side do you want the Grande?
here is a list of offspring of Grande daughters, so you can pick the sire line as well. It is two pages, But you can look to the stallion sons or daughters from this to determine if there are sons available. It is the long way around, but can give you the rest you are seeking..

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?pd=143690&order=sex&x=0


Rio Branco is a hunter from a Grande daughter, and our own Beste Gold is linebred 3rd and 5th generation Grande, but that might not work for you since your mare is a bit closely related.

We bred two Bordeaux from our Grusus daughter, feel free to call me about them. Many of the B line stallions will be from Grande mares

[mzm farm]

My stallion has G line Hano in him, but not through Grande, his is through Gotthard. He throws awesome temperaments and rideability, gaits, confo, and looks. So far all his foals have shaped up into lovely riding horses.

[ThirdCharm]

I have a Bordeaux daughter, she is a fab jumper and extremely good in the dressage, tons of suspension, gets exc scores. Very rideable once I got rid of the baggage from prior bad experiences....

Jennifer

[Schiffon]

Gold Luck by Grundstein (one of the best dressage stallions ever imported to the US), by Graphit, by Grande.

Agree with the poster who mentioned the need to distinguish the Gotthard G from the Grande G - very different types of horses, even though Goldfisch II was the sire and grandsire of each, respectively.

[4M Perennial Farm]

from the Verband's website:

Galvano (Grande/Lugano II/Domaenenrat): http://service.vit.de/hvp/hengst.do?isoDE=DE%20331314402982&hengst=314402982&zv=31&jahr=2008

Brentano II (Bolero/Grande/Ferdinand): http://service.vit.de/hvp/hengst.do?isoDE=DE%20331314403183&hengst=314403183&zv=31&jahr=2008, Frozen available (at least still listed by importers), I got some two years ago (still in tank).

Warkant (World Cup/Grande/Pik Koenig): http://service.vit.de/hvp/hengst.do?isoDE=DE%20331314418783&hengst=314418783&zv=31&jahr=2008

Comic (Come On/Platon I/Grande): http://service.vit.de/hvp/hengst.do?isoDE=DE%20331319728097&hengst=319728097&zv=31&jahr=2008

Damsey (Dressage Royal/Ritual/Grande): http://service.vit.de/hvp/hengst.do?isoDE=DE%20431316886802&hengst=316886802&zv=31&jahr=2008

Laurentio (Lauries Crusador/Wanderbursch II/Grande): http://service.vit.de/hvp/hengst.do?isoDE=DE%20331312511399&hengst=312511399&zv=31&jahr=2008, Frozen available (listed by importers),

Royal Blend (Rotspon/Lauries Crusador/Grande): http://service.vit.de/hvp/hengst.do?isoDE=DE%20431314403901&hengst=314403901&zv=31&jahr=2008, Frozen available (listed by importers),

Wolkenstein II (Weltmeyer/Wendekreis/Grande): http://service.vit.de/hvp/hengst.do?isoDE=DE%20331314450790&hengst=314450790&zv=31&jahr=2008, Frozen available (listed by importers),

[wildswan]

I know you said in 3rd generation or closer, but I can't say enough about Grand Cru. He goes to Grande through Grand Garcon/Garibaldi II. Plus he carries the well known DG nick through Grand Garcon's bottomline Dorfbraut by Dunkel (by Duellant) out of Dompendel (by Domspatz) and the Absatz x Valentino nick on his own bottom side.

Dr. Ludwig Christmann has stated the following about Grand Cru: "I am a little sad that the old G line is no longer so popular. Stallions like Garibaldi, Grande and Graphit produced a lot of Grand Prix dressage horses. Now we don’t have so much of this blood any more. That is why I think Grand Cru is an interesting stallion. He is a half brother to Walk on Top, and is the carrier of the Garibaldi line. He is a very versatile stallion. His offspring are often good jumpers, and they are strong horses but good types. I think he has quite a bit to offer." and "I would like to see more of our own traditional bloodlines upgraded, like the G line and Grand Cru".

I bred my Derwisch/Gutenberg/Novice mare to Grand Cru with great success, and plan to repeat the cross again this year. My experience confirms that Grand Cru produces strong horses, which are of good type. My guy has 3 good gaits and is a very naturally uphill, balanced mover. If he wasn't, this 5'2" AA would never be able to ride such a big boy (17.2+). That would be my only caution about breeding to GC. He may throw large offspring, but I'm not sure about that because the dam seems to throw large no matter what I breed her to.:eek::eek:

[Foxdale Farm]

My stallion has G line Hano in him, but not through Grande, his is through Gotthard. He throws awesome temperaments and rideability, gaits, confo, and looks. So far all his foals have shaped up into lovely riding horses.


Dittos exactly for my guy! Extremely versatile offspring with great minds. I've often heard people mention the "G" line with a bit of nostalgia. Why does it seem so rare or am I mistaken?

www.foxdalefarm.us

[EASY RIDER STABLE]

HER STALLION BESTE GOLD I BELIEVE IS A G-LINE HANOVERIAN

[camohn]

Beste Gold is Grande
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/beste+gold
Bordeaux
http://www.bridlewoodhanoverians.com/bordeaux.php
Winterprinz
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/winterprinz

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/waldaire
Waldaire at Watermark Farm/ retired from GP dressage this year at 20 but he is Gotthard and not Grande

[DownYonder]

For N.A. based stallions -
Welcome S has Grande in the 2nd generation.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/welcome+s

Winterprinz has Grande in the 3rd generation.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/winterprinz

As mentioned, Gold Luck has Grande in the 3rd generation.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/gold+luck

Brentano II sons such as Bonheur have Grande in the 4th generation.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bonheur6

Pilot sons such as Pablo have Grande in the 4th generation.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/pablo14

Davidor has Grande in the 4th generation through his damsire Warkant.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/davidor

And one in Germany that I thought of - Don Gregory has Grande in the 3rd generation (although I am not sure his frozen is available in N.A., or if it is any good).
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/don+gregory

[TWF]

So you want to trace back to the 50's in three generations...

Grande Saber 1989-1999. If Saber were still alive he would be 20.
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?d=grande+saber (Westphalian " Born in the USA"...despite the note from Germany. ) If you ever read about his birth you would know I was obviously there!!

Saber's sire Grundstein was BORN in 1975 http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10449482 His Grandsire Graphit in 1964 and his Great Grandsire Grande in 1958
Trace back the pedigree for and click the ion for pictures of the great foundation sires...I love the Graphit canter photo! Given his rider is military and had a bridle number ...this is a photo of him in competition...a rare photo!!


Saber has a surviving son with a KWPN dam Grande Sovereign http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/grande+sovereign. Very interesting damsire, Sovereign Bill, damsire of 2005 KWPN Horse of the year.... Nassau.


Joan Watt

[Stacie]

and our own Beste Gold is linebred 3rd and 5th generation Grande, but that might not work for you since your mare is a bit closely related.
I loff Gold Luck and Beste Gold, but as MagicRoseFarm points out, they are closely related to my girl, who is a Grundstein grand-daughter :D
Wish there were more on our side of the pond.....

[DennisM]

Check out Rolling Stone Farm's website -- www.rollingstonefarm.com

There are LOTS of photos of offspring that are products of the Grande line stallions Gold Luck and Welcome S.

[Stacie]

Check out Rolling Stone Farm's website -- www.rollingstonefarm.com

There are LOTS of photos of offspring that are products of the Grande line stallions Gold Luck and Welcome S.
I love Welcome S and Mo at Rolling Stone!
I have a 9 month old Welcome S filly and another foal due the end of April. If the next comes out as lovely as the first, it's highly likely I will go that way for a third. I thought I should at least take another look around, though, since I hadn't done a search last year. Last year the filly was so lovely that I bred back to Welcome even though I had originally intended to keep the mare open.

Mo at Rolling Stone is fabulous to work with. She made the last 2 breedings totally painless and the semen quality is outstanding. So the SO is very important, too.

[grayarabpony]

Prince Optimus has Grande top and bottom, in the 4th and 5th generations.

[Portia]

He's done with his breeding career, but Gouveneur is a son of Grandduell (Grande/Duellant).
http://www.garnercreekfarms.com/stallions.html

Granduell's other Oldenburg verband licensed son, Gulf Coast (out of a Matrose mare), unfortunately died a couple of years ago, after producing some very nice dressage horses and hunters.

Grandduell himself produced both dressage horses and hunters when crossed with TB mares. One of his daughters was circuit champion in green hunters at Indio and at indoors. Since he and Gulf Coast stood at the barn I'm at, we've got plenty of his decendents around and they are nice horses with very good minds. Really, you couldn't ask for a sweeter overall group of horses.

[Sonesta]

I think Sharon Garner has some of Gouvener frozen semen. I adore this stallion! I've known him for years and watched him under saddle at many a show. He was always a gentleman. You should see him in turnout with his little companion, a mini horse that doesn't even come up to his knees. They are best friends, but it's the mini who bosses him around when it's time for decisions to be made.

Gouvener's offspring are doing wonderfully in the ring now.

[XHalt]

Werbellin does through Grossfurst.

[Perfect Pony]

Well, for what it's worth, my mare by Graf Top II is turning into a lovely dressage horse. I took a clinic with one of the top international level judges in North America and she said she felt she was one of the nicer mares she had seen in a long time, and commented that she had 3 excellent gaits and would give an 8 as collective marks, she gives 5% 8's. Needless to say, I was flabbergasted and could not stop smiling for days. She is jumper bred, but such a nice mover, so free in her back, and so "cute" that she is more prized by dressage riders.

She also has an amazing temperment, nothing but a complete JOY.

Here is her full pedigree so you can see her damline as well. I know nothing about breeding, but I would clone her 100 times.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=GEORGIANA+HH

[Stacie]

Well, for what it's worth, my mare by Graf Top II is turning into a lovely dressage horse. I took a clinic with one of the top international level judges in North America and she said she felt she was one of the nicer mares she had seen in a long time, and commented that she had 3 excellent gaits and would give an 8 as collective marks, she gives 5% 8's. Needless to say, I was flabbergasted and could not stop smiling for days. She is jumper bred, but such a nice mover, so free in her back, and so "cute" that she is more prized by dressage riders.

She also has an amazing temperment, nothing but a complete JOY.

Here is her full pedigree so you can see her damline as well. I know nothing about breeding, but I would clone her 100 times.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=GEORGIANA+HH

She is Grande in the third generation on the dam side as well :winkgrin:
No to to mention Gottard twice. She is steeped in G-line :lol:

[Perfect Pony]

She is Grande in the third generation on the dam side as well :winkgrin:
No to to mention Gottard twice. She is steeped in G-line :lol:

Yeah, a bit overkill I suppose?

If/when I breed her she is going to Dacaprio. I think she has enough G-line in there.

[Stacie]

Yeah, a bit overkill I suppose?

Nah. It was a compliment. Owners loff their G-line girls. Won't give them up for anything. That says a lot. Their temperaments are so amazing and of course, all the ones I know just float across the ground....

[Sundown Farm]

Grande Leviticus-- Pedigree-- http://www.sundownfarmva.com/levipedigreenametop.htm

Jumping pic-- http://www.sundownfarmva.com/LevijumpingwithChrissySMALL.JPG

G line for sure!

[4M Perennial Farm]

Grandduell himself produced both dressage horses and hunters when crossed with TB mares. One of his daughters was circuit champion in green hunters at Indio and at indoors. Since he and Gulf Coast stood at the barn I'm at, we've got plenty of his decendents around and they are nice horses with very good minds. Really, you couldn't ask for a sweeter overall group of horses.

Our mare by Grandduell is a full sib to the daughter, Ginger Snap a.k.a. Extrordimare (sp?), that you mention. Portia, I believe you know GG (Gerne Gross). Her first foal, a filly by Cascani (Cassini I/Carneval/Marlon) is a doll. Considering Brentano II this time. The foal would be 25% Grande.

[Peg]

Bridlewood's Guarantor has Grande. Peg

[Perfect Pony]

Bridlewood's Guarantor has Grande. Peg

He does look and sound lovely
http://www.bridlewoodhanoverians.com/guarantor.php

[Bearskin]

Grandos (Grenadiere X Grunewald X Grande).

http://sanktgeorgfarm.com/Sankt%20Georg/Grandos.htm

exceptional dressage and jumper talent and wonderful temperament that he passes along to his foals!

[Portia]

Our mare by Grandduell is a full sib to the daughter, Ginger Snap a.k.a. Extrordimare (sp?), that you mention. Portia, I believe you know GG (Gerne Gross). Her first foal, a filly by Cascani (Cassini I/Carneval/Marlon) is a doll. Considering Brentano II this time. The foal would be 25% Grande.
Oh, it's so nice to hear that GG is doing well! She's one of those sweethearts I was talking about. :)

Although they used GG mostly for dressage, she had an incredible jump -- scored an 8 or 9 in the free jump in her mare performance test, IIRC. She is small in stature because she was born a bit premature, but could jump the moon. I'll be looking forward to seeing her baby with the Cassini added! What's her daughter's name? Is that them in the darling photo on your profile?

[4M Perennial Farm]

Portia - see PM for an update.

[TWF]

Ditto on the admiration above..
Has anyone noticed sabino, pinto or any other curious markings wheat , white or black with their G- line horses?

Grande Saber always had a few white black and one rather large roan spot.

Grande Celeste developed a white triangle below her R knee at 3 yrs of age At 2 she was the DAD illy Champion and I swear it was not there!!

Grande Phoenix is one of the most unusually marked horse I ever bred. A spiral strip on his LH, wheat marking on his R flank, brindle front legs and a white marking inside L knee....all this after being a frosty palomino...he is now a deep liver chestnut!

Grande Sovereign sports white constellations against his liver coloring...


No so important...just another reason to love em!

[MySportHorse US]

My newest addition has a chestnut stripe in her blaze....she is "Divine by Design"