exceptional TB Sport Horse broodmares

[columbus]

http://www.trakehners-international.com/memoriam_wundermaedel.html

The thread on Windfall brought me to this page...thanks to Trakehners International for posting this kind of information.
I think she is an outstanding mare and/or an outstanding breeder who used a good mare to create stars.

Are there other TB mares in other breeds/warmbloods who are used so effectively. PatO

[Maren]

Thanks for the comment!

Since I received very positive feedback on this particular story, I'll try to dig up some more like that and will post them on TI. May take me a while though. Are there more? Yes there are.

[vineyridge]

At the moment I'm rather vague on who, but there is a TB mare I found who has been good for the KWPN as a dam.

[Catsdorule-sigh]

Wow, I've never seen a horse so loaded with the blood of Newminster. If you look back just a few generations more, there's Dark Ronald. Dark Ronald goes back to Hampton who goes back to Newminster. Hermit is by Newminster.

The sire line is from Teddy. (More Hampton through his dam)

Stani is the sire of the mare's sire's dam and also the sire of her dam's dam. Stani goes right back to Dark Ronald. There are so many crosses of the Dark Ronald/Hampton/Newminster family that I lost count but I think there are 5 crosses of Dark Ronald in the sire's line alone, not counting others from that family. Even the horse Sans Souci goes back to Hermit.

This pedigree appears to be a lesson in how to breed a mare to perform and pass on performance. It's common to see this in Holsteiner breeding, but I've never seen a TB with this kind of pedigree. (Caveat, I'm new at this :winkgrin:)

[not again]

Here is one we have had great progeny from for several generations:

http://www.paardenfokken.nl/pedigree.php?horseid=302691

and here is a link to her ancestry:

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10451680&blood=10&quota=

[grayarabpony]

This is a good question. Every now and again I see a pure TB mare used in warmblood breeding (such as Butterfly Flip's dam), some of them surprisingly far back. When I come across them again I will post them here.

[Catsdorule-sigh]

Finesse

http://www.pedigreequery.com/finesse13

According to other sources I've read, and Pedigree Query, dam of:

Sundancer
Easy Doc
Bill Pinch
Turn on the Sun

She is female family 4-o
Sire line Teddy, dam's sire line Rock Sand. Her dam line does eventually bring back in Ajax, sire of Teddy.

All the above horses were by Doctrine, by Beau Pere which is Dark Ronald/Bay Ronald/Hampton again. Beau Pere had at least 3 crosses of Hampton and of interest, the mare Quiver appears in his pedigree twice in his dam line.

I do not know if any of the two mares indicated as daughters of Finesse ever bred on sport-wise. It would be interesting to know if Doctrine sired other sport horses from similar lines as Finesse.



Well, I don't know about Finesse, but Doctrine was the dam sire of Mity Wind:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/mity+wind

Does one sire son exported to Europe for WB breeding make a sport TB broodmare, Mity Wind's dam, Mitydoc?:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/mitydoc

[vineyridge]

Back in the dark ages, there were Bonne Cause and Winter Rose.

In Denny Emerson's long career breeding for eventing, he must have come across some excellent TB producing sport horse mares. Maybe he'll chime in from his experience at the top levels of his sport.

[sylvan farm]

Okay, I'll admit up front I'm biased, but here's info on a wonderful TB producer on this side of the pond that has been important in the American WB breeding scene.

www.pedigreequery.com/ambling+picture

She was our foundation mare who produced many sucessful horses and more importantly daughters, and granddaughters who have been successful producers. She was a triple line bred Teddy mare, the fourth line was Man O War. Maybe the pedigree wizards here can tell me more...?

http://www.sylvanfarm.com/broodmaresamblingpicture.htm

and her daughter Pia Blanca: http://www.sylvanfarm.com/broodmares%20pia.htm

Her granddaughters EM Francesca and EM Fair Lily are also producers with inspection site champions. The oldest from this generation are just starting their competition careers.

[Catsdorule-sigh]

Hi Sylvan Farm,

I am no expert, I just like to research the pedigrees and see if we can come up with some ideas- Viney and others will have better information on specific sport horses in the pedigree.

Off the top, the thing that stands out to me in Ambling Picture's pedigree is the return of Teddy from the sire line in the dam's line.

What I really find interesting and have seen this before in some of the horses we've looked at on this forum, is the breeding of her dam, Amble Molly.

You have full brothers both sides of the dam's pedigree- Fighting Fox on the sire side and just another generation back on the dam's side, Gallant Fox. That of course brings Teddy back in at least twice on the dam's side.

And Behold carries Bay Ronald through Teddy's dam, Rondeau and his dam carries Dark Ronald, by Bay Ronald. Both of the "Ronald's" figure prominently in Holsteiner pedigrees and other WB's.

The mares Plucky Liege and Marguerite very emphasized via her dam and then Bull Dog on the sire's side is a full brother of Sir Gallahad, so that cross is returned.

So to me, the prominent horses here are Teddy, Plucky Liege, Celt, and Fairy Ray, via the horses mentioned above with Teddy/Plucky Liege having one more cross.

I don't know, given the generations back, if that's inbreeding or linebreeding, but I wonder if that gives the horse with that kind of breeding more influence in their offspring.

Of course I like the MOW in there too. ;)

[JWB]

Lotus T's mother is a TB approved with the AHHA and the BWP. Her approval scores were nothing but EVERY foal she has ever produced (that I'm aware of) has been premium. She has one approved stallion son and her daughters are always champion or reserve champion of the mare approvals.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/key+moment

[florida foxhunter]

I had a gorgeous black TB mare from the Buckpasser (Tom Fool, Buckfinder, Assult Landing) line on top...Akula. She was Claim to Fame's dam.......and had several other beautiful foals for me. I sold her (stupid me) and her new owner took her to the Hannoverian Inspection at the age of 17 after five foals...........and she scored an 8 on her hind legs and got lots of accolaids.
She is the reason, in my opinion, Claim to Fame has that gorgeous front end. I'll attach a photo of Akula at the age of 16, one of Claim to Fame's head, and a new one just taken of her last foal for me, Rodeo Drive. Look at these heads! However, this dam was also a lovely mover, jumper, and I even foxhunted her barefoot (how's that for TB feet???)
I LOVE those Buckpasser bred mares!!

[Catsdorule-sigh]

Interesting tail female to Friars Carse, dam of War Relic and a few others. :)

Performance records of the kids?

[szipi]

Lotus T's mother is a TB approved with the AHHA and the BWP. Her approval scores were nothing
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/key+moment

Key Moment actually scored 44 points and she is in the Main Mare Book with the AHHA.
Besides Lotus T, she produced Minden, a 46-point Premium mare by Lemgo (she is Lotus' full sister) who was also performance tested, Szilvia by Ariadus, a 47-point premium site champ mare, Uncia by Ariadus, a 48-point site champ mare, Galiba by Lasting Impression (premium Belgian WB baby) who was a 48-point site champ mare at the AHHA approvals at 2 1/2 years of age. Key moment also produced 2 trakehner babies by Veneziano (great dressage horses now) and before i purchased her she had produced 2 TB babies for the track. Her daughter, Minden produced the approved stallion, Akos (currently with Derek Petersen) by Ariadus. Unfortunately she died at Equitransfer last year, at the age of 20, of colic. I wish I could find another mare like her! Andras www.prairiepinesfarm.com

[Small Spark]

The Dam of Butterfly flip was xx
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10205954

[vineyridge]

The Dam of Butterfly flip was xx
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10205954

Notice that she is sireline to Wild Risk through Worden. Can't do better than that. Moderne is in the lines of quite a few Swedish WBs. If there ever was horse who passed on the jump genes it was Wild Risk. He's probably one of my very favorite horses to find in eventing pedigrees.

[fish]

In hunters, Bold Mc mares-- especially BiCoastal (reg. as Bold Glory), dam of The Wizard, Ace in the Hole, Mandrake, etc.