radikal stallion....anyone seen in person

[Horsecrazy27]

Hello,

Just came across this boy...anyone see him in person... don't know if I want a pinto at this time, but his breeding is sure neat with that color!!

:)

http://www.cocolallacreeksporthorses.com/sport_horses_radikal.html

[showjumpers66]

I believe that Glenhill has had a foal by him. I am sure that she can give you more info.

[Horsecrazy27]

great! Did you all see the "DiamondHead" boy? He is cute!! Look at that breeding too!

[unbridledoaks]

I have seen his foals in person and I can tell you they are amazing. Marion has some WONDERFUL horses, and I always enjoy talking to her at the shows.

Radikal's foals have lovely gaits, conformation and their temperaments are great.

[Horsecrazy27]

I have watched her breeding program for like 15 years, they horses have improved over time and her eye for breeding is beautiful! (which is what every breeder is suppose to do, she has ALWAYS had LOVELY horses, they just keep getting more and more lovely!!) I really enjoy her as a person and pat her on the back for your breeding choices and success. (from one breeder to another). I just watched a video of a mare by Radikal--super nice. Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-rtvHrVneY

Cute mare and only 30 days under saddle, she looks like she is built uphill, quiet mind, nice top line...nice girl.

[genevieveg17]

I have had two Radikal foals. They are full siblings, out of a CWB mare by Lynx.
The first, a 2006 colt Retrospect, was/is a hunter all the way. Really, really flat kneed, beautiful mover. He is a bay with 4 tall stockings, a star, snip.
The second, a 2008 filly Reality Check, is a pinto. Crazy pinto coloring. She has close to perfect conformation. So elegant, pretty mover. Her color is not what I was hoping for but she is a very nice filly.
Marion is very easy to work with.

[grayfox]

I love Genevieve's 2 babies. Marion is a very nice person, I bet she would be easy to work with.

[eqeq]

Horsecrazy,

I had the pleasure of starting both Radikal and Marion's new boy, Diamondhead, under saddle. Both were an absolute pleasure. Radikal's 4th ride was a group trail ride out in the snow. I was just recovering from an unrelated knee injury and ended up having to start him by myself in the round pen, so was a bit nervous to take him into the "big world" so soon. He never put a foot wrong and led that trail ride most of the way. Despite his injury, he showed plenty of power and scope and what a character. I'm also the one on that filly and she is incredible - a product of a very well thought out breeding program. She is has amazing balance, elasticity, and a super mind - just like her sire. I've handled several other siblings and they're all impressive out of a variety of mares. Radikal's injury might have kept him from the show ring, but his progeny will put him on the map...

Diamondhead is just as impressive. He's already begun to prove himself as a two year old by capturing the USDF HOTY, so I knew he'd be special. My Christmas present to myself this year was my first ride on him. I start a lot of fantastic babies including those fillies in the video and this colt brought tears to my eyes. Marion's quite right - I'm not giving this one back :-)...

I'm confident you'd be pleased with the results from either stallion..

[Marion Dresel-O`Connor]

Radikal`s dam, Weltskandal, was a dream come true for me. I missed her birth by 5 minutes, to find that bundle of color in the straw was one of the most special moments in my life. I had spent what was a fortune to buy her dam at a huge auction in North Dakota and spent the rest of the money on the best stallion money could buy back then...I hit the jackpot!
Then I did the same thing with the resulting filly and hit the jackpot again!!!
that was Radikal... I hit the jackpot antoher 10 times since with his foals!
They helped me become 2nd in the nation with USDF for Sporthorse Breeder of the Year - twice!
The oldest ones are just comming 3 and they are spectacular and easy to ride. I have to pinchmyself every day....

[mistyjewell]

Are any of your colored boys eligible for book 1 RPSI? I've loved Radikal for a long time, the bloodlines and the color, but had noted he was book II. Is your other boy book I? I checked out your website, but it doesn't really say.

Would foals by him be able to be bumped up eventually?

[Marion Dresel-O`Connor]

Because Radikal`s grandmother was obviously a Paint (where else would that color come from) he cannot be in book i with RPSI.
His fillies when bred to a book I stallion can produce main marebook offspring.
To be a book I stallion, the dam has to be in the main marebook and the sire has to be in book I.
So again, Radikal`s daughters out of main mare book mares can be eligible for main marebook and could produce a book I stallion.
But take a look who`s winning! Most of the RPSI Sporthorse in hand awards were won by Radikal offspring!!!!

Diamondhead is in book I.
How the heck do I add pictures to this?????

[pintopiaffe]

hm... reality check 'appears' tobiano or tovero...

I'm assuming that Radikal is frame? Anything else going on there?

I've watched him for a few years now. Never had the right mare yet.

[RiddleMeThis]

I personally believe he also has sabino and splash, but REALLY doubt he has tobiano.

[Marion Dresel-O`Connor]

Radikal is a frame overo, his dam is a frame and so is his grandmother.
No Tobies anywhere...

[sniplover]

Marion, you can't post pictures unless you buy a premium membership (like Genevieve). but if you have a flickr or photobucket account (or you want to link directly to pictures on your website) you only have to paste the links into the text. Then we'll follow the links :)

[ljshorses]

Because Radikal`s grandmother was obviously a Paint (where else would that color come from) he cannot be in book i with RPSI.
His fillies when bred to a book I stallion can produce main marebook offspring.
To be a book I stallion, the dam has to be in the main marebook and the sire has to be in book I.
So again, Radikal`s daughters out of main mare book mares can be eligible for main marebook and could produce a book I stallion.
But take a look who`s winning! Most of the RPSI Sporthorse in hand awards were won by Radikal offspring!!!!

Diamondhead is in book I.
How the heck do I add pictures to this?????

Is this new to RPSI? I had a Premium filly by State of the Art (Book II stallion) out of a Main Mare Book mare that was registered Book II but that was like 5 years ago I think. Has the ruling changed for fillies by Book II stallions to be bumped up to Main Book registry or is it that the Book II registered fillies at their 3yo or older Breeding approval inspection may be eligible for Main Mare Book approval...sorry I get so confused at times, not enough coffee in me yet this morning, lol.

I had another mare that was Book II registered and at her breeding approval went Premium but still her foals were not eligible Book I even when bred to Book I RPSI stallions.

By the way, I just love Radikal and your breeding program! You have produced one exceptional baby after another, kudos to you!

[Marion Dresel-O`Connor]

It depends on why the dam was in book II to begin with, if it had to do with pedigree (say a Paint) it must be moved back 5 generations. If the scores weren`t high enough in an ancestor, then I don`t know.

[grayfox]

Welcome to the forums Marion!

[ljshorses]

It depends on why the dam was in book II to begin with, if it had to do with pedigree (say a Paint) it must be moved back 5 generations. If the scores weren`t high enough in an ancestor, then I don`t know.

Ahh, makes since. It was QH and 3rd generation. Thanks for clearing that up.

[pony grandma]

I'm also the one on that filly and she is incredible - a product of a very well thought out breeding program. She is has amazing balance, elasticity, and a super mind - just like her sire. ...



I love, love, love your ride on this filly. I am going to use it as an example to my kids that I am helping learn to be correct. I love the way that you carry your hands and give to the horse to keep the back from getting locked up. The rhythm and the filly's topline is extraordinary.

LOVELY horses. I am very impressed with the breeding program. Congrats and great respect to Marion for her vision and efforts.

[mistyjewell]

Ahh, thank you! That does clear a lot up, I always get confused. So Radikal is a 3rd generation, offpring (by say an RPSI TB mare) would be 4th, so if she had a filly, it can (at age 3) get Main Mare book and then her offspring are full book, correct?

What if she had a colt, and the colt then went through testing etc, and got book II. Would the foals from that stallion be eligible for full book since that would also be the 5th generation? Any plans for any keeper boys from him for yourself?

I do really like him, a lot, have for a long time, but the registry stuff always confuses me (I'm newer to breeding). Not only do I love the color, but love the Rotspon, Weltmyer cross, and I personally also love QH (paint) when they are not the halter bred type. I think you've done a fantastic job with him and your other horses. Such a shame he hurt himself, but glad he's proving himself through his offspring.

How does he cross with TB mares?

[JB]

How does he cross with TB mares?

I wanna know too! :yes: Especially a hotter, refined mare.

[Marion Dresel-O`Connor]

First of all I want to say that I personally do not place that much emphasis on what kind of book my horses are in. I do want them to score well at the inspection or the shows. I would rather have a gold medal filly in my barn that is book II than a silver one in book I (and that`s exactly what we have...). The quality of the horse is the most important thing to me. The color is secondary, although i have become quite fond of blacks as well.
Wanting the overo gene in my breeding I had to sacrifice the pureness of the sporthorse pedigree. I tried to make up for that by only using the very best lines to breed out the Painthorse, but keep the color.
Actually I think the Paintmares I used in my lines contributed more than just color, they passed on rideability as well.
So back to the question about moving offspring up to book I.
You have to do it through the fillies. A licensed book I stallion has to be sired by a book I stallion and has to have a Main marebook dam. This is for RPSI only, some registries require more.
So you can move a book II filly up to main marebook as a 3 year old if she has the paint back 5 generations. Then you cross her with a book I stallion and the resulting colt could be licensed.
I had one very good colored Colt by Radikal out of a Wonderful daughter who met my requirements. Unfortunately he herniated into his scrotum and had to be gelded. He is 3 now, Rock On. Gorgeous and 16,2 hds already.
Another 3 year old is Rabenschwarz, who was licensed (book II, but excellent scores)last fall. He is solid black, that`s why we didn`t keep him.
Had a super filly, colored, out of a Don Frederico dam in 2008. She`s my next stallion mother! Just wait 3 more years. Her name is Rad Safari and she is something else! Wow!
Radikal has been crossed very sucessfully on TB mares. He adds substance, pretty heads and very strong toplines plus an active, quick hindleg! The foals look very developed at an early age, great for showing in Hand.
They are all super confident and think they own the world. They are very intelligent and easy to train, but do train them!
The oldest ones are now being started and they are a pleasure to ride. Watch for them in the USDF Materiale standings!
If anything I would probably not breed Radikal to something too substantial or oldfashioned. Although he is quite modern looking, he adds a lot of bone and muscling to the dam.
Hope that answered all the questions?

[ljshorses]

Does Radikal tend to produce size? I have a mare I'd love to breed to him that is Book I and if I'm lucky I'd get a filly to keep. Her only issue is she's small, only 15.1h. She has been bred to 16.3 and 17h stallions with her mature offspring reaching around 16h mark. I would love to get at least 15.3h.

[Marion Dresel-O`Connor]

I`ve been very happy with the size of Radikal`s foals here on the farm and none of the clients ever complained about theirs.
I have 3 three year olds here. Two of them the dam is right around 16,1 and they both are just a smidge under 16,1 right now ( if I`d put shoes on them they would be). the other gelding was out of a 16 hds mare and is close to 16,2 already. The comming 2 year olds are around 15,2 to 15,3 hds.
We have not bred him to a really small mare yet. The Lynx mare who produced the colt with the 4 whites pictured here on this thread was slightly under 16 hds and the colt got very big.
Radikal himself is barely 16 hds. If I had shoes on him he woud be. It was a surprise for us since his dam is a good 16,1 and Rotspon close to 17hds.
We always hoped genetically he`d be a BIG horse, and so far there are no small foals to contradict that. He has had about 20 foals so far.
Not being able to show him due to injury (wirecut as a yearling) has hurt his popularity. Now that his offspring are winning everything in Sporthorse breeding classes, this is changing dramatically! Wait until we get to show the 3 year olds under saddle!