Dressage Attire: A Few Questions On Looking Smashing

[bort84]

All right. So I'm new to dressage but not new to showing or horses. I just haven't been to many dressage shows and haven't picked up on the trends and the classic turnout. I'm generally quite conservative so will probably stick to black and white (also will probably match my horse best). I just have a few questions on the finer points of what to wear. I have most of the basics down, so please be as specific as you'd like = )

I happened upon a lovely little leopard appy while working at a saddlebred barn and got him for basically nothing. I have no idea what his history is, but boy can he move. Anyway, that background was to help with the outfit. He's white with black spots. Quite loud and very cute. We'll be showing at the lower levels for a good while, so clearly no need for a shadbelly at this point. Hopefully someday though! Haha, I'd love to see my little appy all decked out in grand prix finery. *Fingers crossed!

I obviously will be discussing this with my trainer, but she's more of a horse person than a fashion plate, so I thought I'd get a more detailed feel from y'all.

So I need EVERYTHING. I cannot spend a lot of money at this point but am excellent at finding deals (either second hand or through obsessive shopping around). So I'll probably stick to lower priced items, but feel free to mention all price points for potential bargain hunting or paycheck blowing.

Tall boots: Suggestions? I'm fairly normally sized, so I don't think I'll have to go custom. I'm obviously going to get dress boots, but how do y'all feel about zippers? And are there brands you would recommend that look good and keep that nice dressage shine and stiffness but aren't wildly expensive? What's a reasonable price range?

Breeches: I'm thinking white for my guy, no need for extra color contrast I don't think. Full seat? Any particular brand that makes reasonably priced breeches that are also show quality? Again, I'm pretty off the rack.

Coat: Now here's where I'm really trying to find a great deal. I think a well tailored coat in a good fabric is very important to the overall look and holds up for years, so please let me know what brands (and styles of each brand) are the best even if they are a little pricey - I could potentially find a good coat second hand I think. Oh, also, feel free to throw out sizing (do they run large or small, etc.) Again, I think I'll stick with black on my guy, though I do find the other color choices interesting for another horse down the road perhaps. Oh, collar piping and velvet? Since it's my first coat, maybe I should avoid these things, but I think it can look sharp. Thoughts?

Hat: This is an area I'm not 100% on standard practice. I've heard some say a derby or hunt cap is appropriate for lower levels and others say derbies are not correct and not worn as often. So which is best at this point, derby or hunt cap? And which is more, um, current, haha.

Gloves: I have very good hands (if I do say so myself), so I'm wondering what the norm is for glove color (black vs. white). Again, I'm pretty traditional, so I want to look conservative. But, if it's acceptable and seen fairly often in good riders, I do like the look of white gloves. If it's generally something you only see in certain classes or on professionals, however, I would not want to buck the norm. Just wondering.

Shirt: I've heard some people say they just wear whatever underneath since their stock tie covers the shirt. Any good show shirt recommendations?

Stock Tie: Any fashion faux pas to avoid here? This is one area I really don't know anything about. Pin, no pin? What style?

Saddle Pad: Now, I've heard some people that ride differently colored horses change up their pad color. Would black look better on my guy you think? I guess what I'm asking is if I try both black and white and decide maybe black looks less busy, would that be acceptable? I know people do it and judges aren't all that picky, but I like to look sharp = ) So opinions are welcome. Also, how do you feel about piping (in black or white).

If I'm forgetting anything else, please feel free to advise. And I've read enough on here to know that the judges aren't supposed to care and generally don't. I just want to look as nice as possible. I like to look neat and well dressed (I promise I won't be a DQ... haha).

Thanks guys!

Oh, another random question about turnout: does anybody care which side your horse's mane is braided on? My guy's mane is on the "wrong" side. I would imagine not so much, and I'll probably braid it on that side anyway (I have little patience for training manes, yikes). But these kinds of turnout questions entertain me.

[CapitolDesign]

These are just my thoughts:

Don't get zippers in your boots, if you don't need them -- they will only need to be replaced. I like Petries.

Helmet - I like the troxel(?) Grand Prix that is like $99 in Dover. Simple, black velvet with a simple leather harness. I only show in something else when I wear a top hat at Third level championships or at Fourth Level/above.

White breeches, full seat if you prefer (no one sees them anyway).

White gloves above training level.

White saddle pad, no piping, since your horse has enough color on his own. Anything else might seem busy.

Braid on the side that the mane lies on. If it doesn't all lie to one side, braid on the correct side.

Coats - Pikeurs are nice and often used. They run small in size, I think. You can try a new one on at the store, get the model/size and check online.

Stock Tie - I like the pique ones that need to be tied with a straightforward silver-colored stock pin.

[slc2]

--Everyone has very, very definite opinions about what they like...and usually, about what OTHER people should like too! Here are some comments, worth what you paid for them...

Tall boots:

--Really good boots are expensive. Cavallos and other stock and semi custom boots are just - they're expensive. Boots that last and hold their shine are expensive. Cavallos are about 800 dollars. But no one shines the inside of the boot, and the outside can easily be kept shiny for a long time. And the judges don't care as long as your boots don't interfere with your riding. Unless you teach and have to get on and off a lot of horses, zippers are unnecessary and are just one less thing to not have to worry about.

Breeches: I'm thinking white for my guy, no need for extra color contrast I don't think. Full seat? Any particular brand that makes reasonably priced breeches that are also show quality? Again, I'm pretty off the rack.

--Do you WANT full seat breeches? Not everyone likes how they feel. The are expensive too, unless the seat is fabric instead of leather. I think I spend about 200 dollars a pair on leather full seat breeches. Cavallo, Schumacher and Pikeur are some companies that make expensive full seats for 200-300 dollars, inexpensive breeches are 80-120 dollars, there are many companies that make those.

Coat:

--I think keep it simple as possible, I don't care for piping or velvet, more to clean or damage, and may not appeal to everyone when one is trying to resell it. Pikeur is usually considered the top of the line, 450-550 dollars, but Cavallo and other top companies sell coats too. That price range holds value and wears very well. I like the fabric and cut of a top quality coat and mostly bought clothes used. More important though than the brand is the fit, if it fits it looks far better. All Pikeur clothes are a certain shape and don't fit everyone.

Hat:

--Everyone has a different and very strong opinion. Some people think they look bad in hunt caps, some people think they look bad in a bowler (derby). The important thing is that the bowler should be a dressage bowler, not a saddle seat (soft fabric) or hunt seat bowler. Many people prefer hunt caps or a crash helmet with a cover. It's more important than it fits and stays in place, and that you feel comfortable.

Gloves: I have very good hands (if I do say so myself):

--White is usually recommended. It is not something you see only in certain classes or on professionals. I think anything but white looks very very strange. One judge said that people in black gloves look like undertakers, LOL. Dark gloves don't hide faults with the reins.

Shirt: I've heard some people say they just wear whatever underneath since their stock tie covers the shirt. Any good show shirt recommendations?

--I don't think it much matters, though some people prefer coolmax fabric and others prefer cotton.

Stock Tie: Any fashion faux pas to avoid here? This is one area I really don't know anything about. Pin, no pin? What style?

--Plain, tie it yourself, and use a small, plain stock pin. I have some 'bibs' - German stocks that are more flat and don't tie. Both can look nice.

Saddle Pad: Now, I've heard some people that ride differently colored horses change up their pad color. Would black look better on my guy you think? I guess what I'm asking is if I try both black and white and decide maybe black looks less busy, would that be acceptable? I know people do it and judges aren't all that picky, but I like to look sharp = ) So opinions are welcome. Also, how do you feel about piping (in black or white).

--White. Some very understated and plain piping in black. This is a big matter of opinion, some people find plain white w/ black piping far, far too 'plain'. I think black looks bad and doesn't show the horse as well as white. White gives the judge a better view of the horse's back and rider's legs.

If I'm forgetting anything else, please feel free to advise. And I've read enough on here to know that the judges aren't supposed to care and generally don't. I just want to look as nice as possible. I like to look neat and well dressed (I promise I won't be a DQ... haha).

--Lessons.

Thanks guys!

Oh, another random question about turnout: does anybody care which side your horse's mane is braided on?

--There is no 'wrong' side for the mane. There is in the hunt seat world, but in dressage a lot of horses are imported so the mane lies on the opposite side from American tradition anyway.

--Most riding club newsletters and websites have lists of clothes for sale. It's usually possible to buy clothes used.

[Pony Fixer]

There are lots of dressage attire threads, but I'll hit your highlights...

boots: Zippers are fine, off the rack fine. I have customs Vogels, and I HATE them. One of my good friends rides in one of the "nicer" looking Mountain Horse boots and they look fine.

helmet: Almost everyone wears a hunt cap. I've seen all brands at the shows.

gloves: White for everyone.

breeches: White is pretty much the standard, full seat vs. knee patch your choice. Most wear FS, but if you are trying to save money and don't care, the KP are going to be much cheaper.

coat: Any hunt or dressage coat is fine. Usually you see black or dark navy blue.

saddle pad: You'll see a lot more white than black at the shows, but those with white or grey horses are the ones who try black. I say go with what you think looks best on your horse.

shirt: For versatility, I would go with a short sleeved white or light colored shirt. I have a Kerrits one and a Horseware one that have the tab in the back to help hold your stock tie, but they can be worn with the collar open and without the stock if coats are waived.

stock tie/pin: I've seen it all! Hand tied, pre-tied, European style stocks are all represented. Pins are usually similar to the hunt style (a bar) or a "tie tack" style.

I hope that helps!

[tarragon]

Just a quick opinion on saddlepads- I showed a leopard app for a while, and no matter how sparklingly clean he is, no matter how much QuicSilver you use on him, he will look yellowish and dingy when wearing a white saddlepad. Black looks much better on lighter greys and horses with white areas near the saddlepad, like pintos and apps, IMHO.

[Anselcat]

Breeches: Check out the white Irideon Cadence full seats. Good quality, decent price (about $120).

Coat: I like Goode Rider. But that's a personal choice because their coats fit me better than any other brand I tried.

[Jazzy Lady]

Breeches: Check out the Ariat Fairfax. Very comfortable and very decently priced full seat.

Stock tie: I think pre-tied look like crap. But that's just me. I'm a tie myself type gal.

Coat: Check out the washable Cavallo. I LOVE mine and it machine washes. SWEET

[anchorsaway]

Tall boots: I had a pair of these: http://www.dressageextensions.com/ProductDetail.asp?KEY=6088 and loved them! They held up very nicely through 3-4 rides a week, plus 3 consectutive show seasons, until my dad accidentally disposed of them(long story) but I am getting another pair soon, as soon as my size comes off back order! These boots are also pretty nice: http://www.doversaddlery.com/product.asp?pn=X1-38537&ids=793623017&bhcd2=1232506334 I'm using a pair to school in while waiting on my new ones to come in!
Breeches: I have two pairs, so I can rotate, seeing as most shows I do are two day. However, I recommend full seats. I adore mine, which I found on sale for $50.00 because of a torn cuff!

Coat: I just purchased a Kentucky jacket this year, with a lower lapel out of velvet. If you can, go for silver or gold buttons, they seem to make jackets that much more classy, IMO :)
Hat: I'm in the market for a new helmet too(will probably end up with a CO JR8) but I have a black Troxel that that I pop a velvet cover on.

Gloves: White.

Shirt: Definitely purchase a show shirt. Occasionally here(MI, we have crazy weather!) it can be rediculously hot and judges will wave coats, resulting in a few riders looking silly with a bib contraption over a tank top :P
http://www.doversaddlery.com/riding-sport-competition-riding-shirt/p/X1-20537/cn/335/ This is the one that I have.

Stock Tie: I have a pre-tied one as it seems no matter how many times trainer shows me how, I can never get it quite right! My stock tie is a lovely white seersucker and I use a silver stock pin.

Saddle Pad: I would go with just white. From there though, you can always choose the pattern you want on it. Quilt pattern, Waffle Weave-like texture(my favorite pad is this kind!), Scallops, Waves, Just about whatever you want!

[carrie_girl]

You've gotten some great advice already. I just wanted to comment on the saddle pad. I agree with the other poster that said no matter how clean your pony is, he will look dingy next to a white pad. I would go with black, either plain or with white piping.

[bort84]

Some good thoughts so far. Thanks all.

@ slc2: lessons... obviously = ) I'm big on the you never never stop learning school, no matter how amazing of a rider you are. You just need somebody on the ground, at the very least to have an extra set of eyes.

And definitely keep the brands coming, especially for boots and coats.

Helmet question too; what type of helmet is most appropriate (I've seen nearly every different style in the dressage ring, so I guess anything goes, but what is most preferred in your opinion)? I've been looking into buying a Charles Owen for jumping. Should I get the type that actually looks more like a hunt cap? I was thinking about having a legit helmet for jumping and maybe a slightly more traditional looking one that just sits on your head for dressage shows. (I know some people frown on it, but I've never worn a helmet on the flat, ever, and it just doesn't bother me - so I could go either way). Which do you think looks better?

Or I suppose I could get a derby. What type is appropriate for dressage? Also, do you see many people in a derby? Again, trying to get a feel for what is the norm these days.

Glad to hear about white gloves too. I love them = )

As for the mane braiding on the "wrong" side, I know there isn't actually a wrong side. Some disciplines just make a big deal out of it. I expected dressage was not that way from what I've experienced, but I find these types of turnout questions interesting to ask from discipline to discipline. Some people will put a LOT of effort into training a mane... and I've just never really seen the point.

Oh, and I'm consistently amused by the threads in the hunter forums about what is in vs. out, so are there any particular pet peeves anyone hates to see in the dressage ring? Or anything you really love?

I love this forum, haha. I've been lurking for ages but just recently started posting. Sorry for the really long posts... Chatty in person and in text.

[CDNJumperGirl]

Oh but I do love a good dressage outfit :winkgrin:

Tall boots: I like Cavallos, but they run $800+, they do last forever though. If you know what your measurements are you can look online and find a used pair, or a pair that doesn't fit someone. Look for Cavallo, Petire, or Koenig (in that order hahaha!). However if you don't want to spend a months rent on a pair of boots then I suggest looking at the Ariat line. They look nice, they are quite comfortable, they hold up pretty well, and they can be shined up to look like a million bucks. I would steer away from Ariats with zippers though, as I've heard some hairy things about them. Unless you're getting on and off a lot of horses a day then I wouldn't recomend zippers- one more thing to break! I'd get boots without zippers, wear them and if you decide you really would rather zippers then you can take them to a shoe repair guy and he can put them in for you.

Breeches: White, fullseats. Pikeur, Cavallo, Kentucky, Schumacher, and a number of others but those tend to be more $. Finding a pair used on ebay would be ideal, because good quality breeches last forever. However, I also own and quite like both the Ariat Fairfax (pretty sure thats the kind) and the Platinum brand breeches. Not as expensive and not as fancy but very comfortable and nobody will know the difference from the ground (or ever when you're walking around! ;))

Coat: Black, velvet colar and piping would be just fine its up to you and usually hardly noticable from the ground- its really just a touch of detail. Good brands are Pikeur, Cavallo, and many other European brands. I've also seen RJ classics that look good. My one secret is this: one of my barn-mates has a coat made by Dublin (she got it in england or something, you could probably find it online) that is easily mistaken for my Pikeur. The material is perhaps not as fancy, but honestly nobody would notice that and if I had it all to do over I probably would have saved my $$$ and bought one of them instead :yes:

Hat: Top hat is acceptable when the double bridle is worn, however I'd be more inclined to say PSG+. For under that a hunt cap or bowler is just fine (although I've never seen someone who's head was flattered by a bowler :lol:) but honestly if you're not wearing a topper why not just stick with a helmet, what's the harm in it? I'm not a helmet freak, but it just seems to make sense. And even if you're horse is a quiet guy, I'll guarentee that there will be some four-legged bowls of fruitloops leaping around in your warmup ring :winkgrin: For helmets I like classic black velvet (though I've become fond to the CO GR8...) and my favourite is the CO Hampton- very classic and very comfortable!

Gloves: If you have good hands then go for white! The only time I'd ever expect to see black gloves is in a very novice rider going at Intro or Training. Beyond that the riders hands should be good enough to be seen in public in white gloves. (My trainer actually makes us wear white gloves for clinics and leading up to show season so she can really see our hands- eek!)

Shirt: You can wear anything you want under you coat really, however what I found really worked is going to a sporting goods store and picking up a couple of biking jerseys in solid colors. They look like your average show shirt (complete with tall collar) but are made out of wicking tech fabric and are cheaper. I also have a stack of white and pale pastel colored show shirts that I've picked up at various times in the used section of the tack shop for $10, easy peasy.

Stock Tie: If you're going with a "traditional" stock tie then get one you tie yourself (None of that pre-tied buisness, it never looks quite right) and get a simple pin in silver or gold; all very classic. However, if you want to do something that is more "in" you could get a european stock tie (like this: http://www.rods.com/p/8079,156_Ruffled-Stock-Tie.html). I have an assortment of ties, because I show at a bunch of multi-day shows and am forgetful ;) my favourites are subtle white-on-white patterns (paisley, little flowers, etc.) which give the fabric a lovely texture, and have simple pearls or other suble 'bling' around the keeper.

Saddle Pad: Okay, so I may be the voice of insanity here- I haven't read far enough down the thread to know that yet. BUT. I think a black pad, with white piping would look really sharp (I'm a fan of piping when its done in a thin and discrete way, I feel it adds definition to the border of the pad sortof tidying the edge up nicely. Feel free to call me crazy :lol: ) OR if your horse happens to require or go best with a half pad under your saddle I think that a black pad with a white sheepskin half pad looks *smashing*. All this said and done, you can never go wrong with a simple white pad :yes:

Horse braided (either side is fine, although suposedly the left side is "correct") and gleaming with sparkling whites! And then ride a flawless test :winkgrin:

Sorry for the novel :lol:

[mademoiselle]

Really, white gloves ?:eek::eek::eek: I hate them.

Am I going to be the only one showing with a helmet and black gloves in Wellington ?

[J-Lu]

Just a quick opinion on saddlepads- I showed a leopard app for a while, and no matter how sparklingly clean he is, no matter how much QuicSilver you use on him, he will look yellowish and dingy when wearing a white saddlepad. Black looks much better on lighter greys and horses with white areas near the saddlepad, like pintos and apps, IMHO.

I couldn't agree more! I used to show a grey horse in black and it looked very nice.

I still show in black and prefer black velvet. Yes, black velvet. I have a solid pad and one with white piping. I like the velvet better than regular cotton because it seems to stay "black" longer and doesn't fade the same, and has a nice alive sheen to it...like your undoubtedly well-groomed horse. :)

Yes, white gloves!

I also used to be a purist and had a regular stock tie. My favorite patterns are subtle white-on-white designs and pinned with a simple traditional stock pin. I must say that a year ago or so I "converted" to a pre-tied stock tie and I haven't looked back! It's alot easier to deal with and I don't feel as much like something has a stranglehold on my neck (my fault because I tie my own tie).

i second the idea of investigating sports shirts, but I also really like the coolmax shirts. Cotton shirts with vents and mesh in the vents are also comfy and traditional but can get dingy. It's nice to invest in whites, though, because you CAN see a colored shirt under the stock tie - especially at the collar - and if coats are waived due to heat, you'll look tacky.

[mandalea]

I haven't been to many Dressage shows in my coat etc, mostly school ones, where I have to wear my school uniform.

Tall Boots:I would go with what ever feels comfortable. I don't currently have any tall boots, just gaiters, because I have to custom order mine, because they have to be brown, and Horseland only stocks black.

Breeches: I use Jodhpurs for Events, and they're Banana yellow(Windsor Apparel) but for just dressage, I have a cream full seat pair (Royal Competitor) The seat is fabric, not leather, and they stick to the saddle pretty well. I use this pair for Show Jumping at events.

Coat: Mines a Navy Blue hunt coat (Competitor [?]), that I got 2nd hand from my mum's nail artist. It's a little to big, and it looks like I have shoulder pads, but it does it's job, and is super warm in winter, and quite light in summer. I also use it for SJ.

Hat:I use a Dublin Silverline, or a Dublin cool-rider with a velvet cover. I would get something comfortable that helps compliment your outfit, but is safe and durable.

Gloves:I have white gloves by Ascot Equestrian, which were originally 50% off at Equitana, but I got them for a little less because they have a little bit of sun bleaching. I know people who love their leather ones, but I find your hands sweat more, so mine are 50% Polyurethane 50% Polyester blend for the 'shell' and the airflow inserts on the fingers and knuckles are 95% Polyester 5% lycra. And, I can put them in the washing machine:D But opt for white ones.

Shirt:I have a long sleeved and short sleeved cotton blouse from a school uniform shop, but i wear a tie, not a stock, so I can get away with it.

Stock Tie:Again, I use a regular, Navy blue business tie, with a gold stock pin instead of a normal tie pin. (gold because my bridle and saddle has brass fittings)

Saddle Pad:I use to have an Appy x Paint mare, who had her spots in patches, like a paint. She had a bay patch with black and white spots on her back/rump, and the white one looked fine. If you want piping, I would get black, or if you want some 'sparkles' get one with black and Gold/Silver piping, depending on what colour your pin is.

Other Items:Make sure you have seamless undies, and a super supportive sports bra! Being an E, I can tell you now, it is super painful and annoying to go to a Dressage show, with people watching your test, and you nearly knocking yourself out with your boobs. :lol:VERY embarrassing. But, I always seem to get the 'larger' judges, who know exactly what I'm going through :winkgrin:

And I don't think it really matters what side his mane is on. I put mine on whatever side I'm bothered to put it on.

Hope you find what you want, and that you look really smart :D

[JRG]

Really, white gloves ?:eek::eek::eek: I hate them.

Am I going to be the only one showing with a helmet and black gloves in Wellington ?


You will be fine with the helmet..a good role model for the younger people, but yes you will need white gloves.

As for the OP,

Boots: Anything that fits correctly. I have Dehners but they were a long time coming. I like the Ariats too (I wish they were stiffer and had Olympic tops) but lots of choice in sizing to get just right.

Breeches: I like full seats, and I am a real fan of Equissentials. Love the real leather.

Coat: RJ classics makes a decent not a lot of money coat, but I love the Cavallo's, they are very tailored

Hat: Any helmet, so long as it is not the plastic schooling helmets is fine, I would have it match your coat. As for the Bowler, well I have one...have yet to wear it. Top Hat, only PSG and above, or I have seen some pro's ride in there Topper on lower level horses. I guess they have been to the upper levels so it is ok.

Gloves: Like other have said, intro/training black is ok, after that it is all white. As for brands, I like the Rockel (sp?) They are so soft and you can really feel the reins.

Shirt: Wear a white or pail colour...you never know when jackets are waved.

Stock Tie: I think this is where you can finally have some fun with what you are wearing. Pre Tied or untied doesn't matter. Some have piping...all ok. But your pin, can be anything that suits your fancy.


Saddle Pad: White, black, fitted, square, swallow tailed (if your horse suits it) all good. However the most I see around hear is white. Faint piping ok, but I usually don't see it much but would like to.

Most of all have some fun.

[Equa]

Zippers in boots are a godsend. Cavallos with zippers are Heaven. Unless you are riding every day - they will be very easy to maintain. Ariat boot bags are lovely for Cavallo boots (with zippers).

[Sabovee]

COATS - Just wanted to throw this one out there. I bought the light gray last year to show my lower level horses in (I chose grey because I'm very avante garde when it comes to my show wardrobe).

http://www.dressageextensions.com/ProductDetail.asp?KEY=6103

It's VERY reasonably priced and very nice. Lovely material, very well tailored.

[SerenaGinger]

How long is your hair? If it is long, you need to consider what you will do with it. The "in" thing to do is put it in a low bun and cover it with a hair net bun cover:

hair bun cover (http://equestrian.doversaddlery.com/search?p=KK&srid=S10-4&lbc=doversaddlery&ts=custom&pw=hair%20net&uid=45509177&isort=score&view=list&ids=793643496&w=Hair%20Bun&rk=3)

[merrygoround]

Really, white gloves ?:eek::eek::eek: I hate them.

Am I going to be the only one showing with a helmet and black gloves in Wellington ?

Get yourself a pair of Neuman's, they are washable, and last forever.

[FriesianX]

Since your funds are limited and you are currently just exploring dressage, not sure if you want to spend a ton of money to be "smashing". I'd invest in the lessons, and try to use what you already have ;)

Tall boots - pick something that you are COMFORTABLE in! If you currently have a pair of field boots, you can use those, no rule that requires DRESS boots. I personally couldn't do without my zippers - when its hot, I have a hard time getting out of pull ons! Make sure your boots are tall enough and fit well. As someone to wipe them down (even the sole) after you get on your horse.

Breeches: Here, I have a major color issue - NO BLACK! Judges can't see you against a black saddle, bleah, ptoooey! White, tan, creme, gray, all are acceptable. Try to pick breeches and saddle pad that go well together, otherwise one or the other will look dirty. As for full seat - don't bother with 'em yet. Expensive, higher maintenance, and the reason for them is to help you stick when you sit - at Intro and Training level, you will be posting the trot - and full seats don't help with posting. Don't expose your light colored breeches to the dirt until last minute - clean breeches are NICE looking. Either change into them right before you mount, or wear coveralls over them until you mount.

Coat: Any dark color is allowable - what will be smashing is that it fits WELL! Not baggy, not so tight you can't breathe. At lower levels, I see some people showing in their hunt coats - absolutely allowable! Good fit is more important than one vent versus two in the back, and 3 buttons versus 4 in the front.

Hat: NO TOP HAT! Wear a black helmet or one that matches your jacket - velvet or velveteen or even suedie cover. It is safer to have a safety helmet, and top hats are for FEI riders. Derbies are allowable, but most riders are smart enough to want to protect their heads with a good, safety helmet. Pick one that fits you well. Different people have different shaped heads. The Troxel's are very popular and look quite sharp and are reasonably priced - but mine rubs a raw spot on my forehead so I use a different brand. If you already have a nice dark colored non-schooling helmet, use it, or borrow one for the day. Don't spend a bunch of money until you know what fits well.

Gloves: White or black are common - I prefer white. And I've heard more than one judge say THEY prefer to see white. In fact, the ONLY judge comments I've heard about apparal are - prefer white gloves, prefer light colored breeches, and HATE too much shiny blingy bridles - no blinding bling as you come down centerline, if the sun hits it wrong,the judge is blinded!

Shirt: I'm with the comments here on buying something that breathes and is comfy. I go to REI or other sporting good stores and buy coolmax type white shirts. Stock tie and jacket cover it up, so comfort is a priority.

Stock Tie: If you buy pre-tied, buy the GOOD ones. Otherwise, tie yourself. Use WHITE or light color to match saddle pad and breeches. I saw someone in a red stock tie - technical delegate almost swallowed her tongue. Judge's eyes bulged a bit, but she said nothing :lol:

Saddle Pad: Light colored, matching breeches.

Horse braided - on the side the mane falls.

To look really smashing - don't wear loud jewelry, don't wear a ton of makeup, tasteful lipstick, make sure your hair is well contained, you and the horse are clean, your tack is clean, and you know your test and ride it well. Judges don't pay a lot of attention to dress unless it is glaringly dirty or glaringly LOUD. They are too busy watching you and your horse perform the test elements.

[bort84]

Hmm, good stuff here guys! Also, just to reiterate, I literally have NOTHING, haha. So I can't even make do with an old hunt coat or anything. I've been borrowing a helmet, so I need to get a new one anyway, and I don't have any tall boots. Just recently got some half chaps... Yep, rode saddleseat all my life (my grandma is a trainer) til I found my little appy and left school. So now I'm doing dressage and jumping and plan to be involved in both for always, even if I do someday have a couple saddleseat horses again. So, I'm okay making a little bit of an investment.

So, my hair is fairly long. As I rode saddleseat forever, we always did buns (a little smaller for dressage though I'd imagine), so I'd be down with that. Or I know some people just pop all their hair under a helmet. I don't think I like the hair bun cover though. Looks a little too reminiscent of a "show bow" for me, haha; though, to be fair, it does look more put together than a show bow.

For a helmet; I've been looking into the CO GR8 because I will probably do some jumping shows too. But I know they have some more traditional styles like this: http://www.doversaddlery.com/product.asp?pn=X1%2D36208&ss=charles%20owen. Any opinions on that? Anyway! I know it doesn't reeeeally matter, haha.

Glad to hear about white gloves. I love 'em, and in saddleseat you can only wear them with a formal suit at night in certain classes.

Looks like the derby is a no go, haha. I'm just so used to them because I rode saddleseat for so long, so I guess everyone has to look silly in them. That's also why I never really rode on the flat with helmets either. I knoooow. It's just what we do. Sorry. I always made my lesson kids wear them though = )

Also, I definitely realize NO TOP HAT, haha. I know sometimes pros that have ridden GP wear them at lower levels, but I realize that is not my rank just yet = )

Another coat question too. It seems like the jackets are slightly different lengths. Which is preferred? I've seen some that hit almost at the hip and some that are quite a bit longer. For example: this - http://www.dressageextensions.com/ProductDetail.asp?KEY=6101
vs. this - http://www.dressageextensions.com/ProductDetail.asp?KEY=6106 Also, what about this one; is this a normal back vent? http://www.dressageextensions.com/ProductDetail.asp?KEY=6123

If I do end up going for a black pad, I do like the velvet idea. My black cotton ones always fade immediately after one wash. I suppose we'll just have to try some different stuff. And I think I like the idea of piping... Again, I guess we'll just have to see what looks best on my loudly colored pony.

He's been outside all winter though, so it's going to take some MAJOR quicksilver to get him white again, yikes. I forgot what a pain light colored horses are... Oy.

Bah, my posts are so long! Can't help it.

[JRG]

I don't know what the manufacterer's are thinking. I mean really, we are in white breeches...leave us alone with the longer jackets. LOL

Classic frock you will never go wrong and will always be in style.

Boots: with zippers, love them. Now you will have to replace them if you wear them everyday but they are worth not having to struggle.

Helmet: C/O JR8 is the same fit as the GR8, different harness though...but a way cheaper.

[Icecapade]

I have absolutely nothing to add, minus the pad... I ride a gray... black would probably be best unless you can find an off white or egg shell pad... which I imagine unless you hand died.. it would be difficult to find the appropriate one.


that and I am thouroughly enjoying these posts...and yours for some reason... they just are so I don't know. lol enjoyable! you are asking a lot of great questions. =)

[Rival]

For boots try the lady that sells the Petries on Ebay from Germany or try e bay for konigs

For Jackets try amira in the uk. The pikeur Diana is probably the most popular and way cheaper there. If it is still to expensive by a cheap coat, have a tailor alter it for better fit and change out the buttons for classier ones.

For breeches try amira in the uk. The pikeur breeches are about half what they are here.

Show shirts are great in the climatex material and there are lots of good brands and are inexpensive

Stock ties... if you can tie them well do it but they have some pretty nice pre tied ones

Stock pin... to me this is about the only chance you have to display your personality. There are thousands listed on ebay you might be able to pick up a nice vintage one.

Gloves... go white but if you have black ones it doesn't really matter

Helmets... the GR8 really is the most low profile stylish helmet out there if it fits you.

[bort84]

Yeah, I feel the same way about threads on attire; really there tends to be some pretty interesting stuff in these forums. I think it's interesting to see what everybody thinks because it can be pretty personal. Luckily dressage doesn't have all that many options. I used to see some downright CRAZY stuff when I showed arabians saddleseat. Yikes! Saddlebreds tend to be quite a bit more conservative though.

Anyway, another question I though of, haha... Any sizing thoughts? I know some of these coats are European sizing which always gets me. When I buy suit jackets for work (U.S. sizes) I'm usually a 2-4. I have pretty narrow shoulders and am little around the ribcage. Buuut I have a really long torso...

Can't wait to go home and start ebaying! I find so much good stuff on there. Sizing is kind of an issue though, haha.

[bort84]

Wow, just looked at the Amira website. Good stuff! The Pikeur jackets on there are MUCH cheaper than on other sites.

Also, I used to ride in my roommate's CO GR8 and the 7 1/8 seemed to fit me perfectly. I think I'd go with black/black. Seems like a pretty versatile helmet.

[anchorsaway]

Anyway, another question I though of, haha... Any sizing thoughts? I know some of these coats are European sizing which always gets me. When I buy suit jackets for work (U.S. sizes) I'm usually a 2-4. I have pretty narrow shoulders and am little around the ribcage. Buuut I have a really long torso...

I'm the exact same size in suit jackets and my show jacket(I have a Kentucky) is a size 10

[FriesianX]

Jacket sizing is tough - different brands run differently. Pikeur runs REALLY different from US sizes. I think you are probably about a size 8 in Pikeur (they are about 2 sizes off of the US sizes). Your best bet (if going to eBay) is ask for LOTS of measurements!

By the way, I use a LAS helmet - it is one of those suede style helmets - more popular in the hunter world I guess, and I have never had anyone comment negatively about it. A trainer friend actually borrowed it once and said it was the most comfortable helmet she'd ever worn! So, if you are happy with your jumper helmet, stick with it!

[bort84]

Also, another random question. I think somebody said here that saddleseat derbies are different than dressage derbies. I can't seem to tell much difference except that the saddleseat derbies tend to be more shaped. (Maybe that's why the dressage derbies seem SO much more unflattering, haha.) So is there an actual difference besides that?

[slc2]

I said it. Shape of the hat itself, the rigidity of the materials, how they are constructed, very different shape of the brim, how the ribbon is set on, anything else? There isn't anything else. That's all there is to a hat.:lol:

A dressage bowler is just different, compare shape, brims, height. The most striking thing is how much softer a saddleseat derby is.

[bort84]

Hmm, interesting. That does explain why they are SOOO much more unflattering. The brims aren't shaped so much at all, and they are a little shorter looking. I haven't seen many people wearing them to properly compare, and now I guess I know why = ) I actually think a saddleseat type derby might look quite smart with a dressage coat. Haha, don't hate me please! Well, at the very least smarter than the dressage derbies I've seen = ) Probably just whatever you get used to though, haha.

[slc2]

Actually, there's a lot of tradition around those styles and a lot of years. The tradition was for each riding style to have their own garb. Before cars, people used to enjoy and be proud of that sort of thing. Seems it's all getting mushed up and put on the cover of Vogue now.

[Perfect Pony]

I am ALL ABOUT this Euro stock tie with bling ;)

http://shop.abitofbling.com/category.sc?categoryId=3

[petitefilly]

How about buying that Ansur zebra saddle for your horse?????


Only kidding. :):):):):):)

Wear basic black and white as others stated. My only advice is wear what you can afford and do not go overboard on high priced stuff, being clean is better than being a fashion plate. JMHO

Wear cream if your horse has dingy white in his body, gleaming white has to have gleaming white or it looks "off".

[bort84]

Actually, there's a lot of tradition around those styles and a lot of years. The tradition was for each riding style to have their own garb. Before cars, people used to enjoy and be proud of that sort of thing. Seems it's all getting mushed up and put on the cover of Vogue now.

That's true. I suppose most horse outfits are pretty silly looking to an outsider, but I do enjoy the tradition of it and wouldn't want it changed much. I'll work on getting behind the dressage derby... Though I'll probably just wear a helmet = ) Glad dressage isn't as fashion plate oriented as the hunters, but I do always feel better going into the ring knowing we look sharp, haha.

[FancyFree]

The derby is a hard look to pull off. It wasn't suited to me. I used to wear a velvet hunt with my former horse. I'm looking to getting a GPA with the baby. Much more potential for coming off with that one. :lol:

[Jazzy Lady]

If you want a good helmet that looks nice in h/j and dressage, can't go wrong with a black on black CO GR8 (or JR8). If it's just for hunters and dressage, I think a CO hampton or another nice black velvet helmet would be appropriate.

I wear either my CO Ascot hunt for dressage, or my top hat (when I'm in my shad) but I'll pull out my GR8 for babies. I think it looks really nice for dressage.

IRH has a similar one aswell for less money.

[ShayDarra]

I sent you a PM

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[Trevelyan96]

Boots: I have to have custom with zips as I hate a bulky ankle and with the constant muddy weather here in MD, they are constantly on and off. I went with La Mundials, which are so inexpensive that they're pretty much disposable, but you get a custom fit and a range of leather choices. I love them. I also have a pair of Ariat Hunter Dress with zips for schooling, and they're very comfortable and have lasted 3 years.

Coat: I'm looking at the Cavallo washable, it fits really well for my body type, but I've also been told that it can get very hot in summer, so I may look for the same cut in wool.

Breeches: White. Any brand, full seat or knee patch.

Shirt: I'd go for a white show shirt in a coolmax fabric... it looks so much better if coats are excused. It also looks really nice under a vest for schooling or very informal shows.

Tie: I'm still fumbling with learning to tie it, so I have a pre-tied as well. As everyone else has said... any textured white on white fabric looks smashing.

Pad: I think for your horse a black pad with white piping would look great.

Gloves: I'm at the lower levels and still wearing black (holdover from my hunter past), but I guess I"ll be doing white.

Helmet: I just exchanged a CO GR8 for a CO Hampton and really like the traditional look of it much better, but you'll need to try a lot of helmets on to be sure its the right shape for your head. (round vs. oval) I'm seeing more traditional hunt style helmets as opposed to the GPA's and GR8's that are so popular at the H/J shows.

Have fun shopping and showing!

[badawg]

Check out the EuroFit line...great Coats and breeches. Lovely company to work with as well!

[poltroon]

Don't worry too much about brands. Buy what fits. You will need to go into a store and try them on. If you can, see if you can sit in a saddle with it when you have one you like - will help you to see the length better and how that looks. Whether you should go with a longer or shorter coat will really depend on the shape of your body. If you're short in the thigh, an especially long coat can make you look even shorter (and wider). There's kind of a sweet spot between just enough coverage and too much.

People have mentioned Pikeur a lot - that brand doesn't fit me at all. Any white breeches are fine (full seat or cheap clarino patches).

For a coat, if you want it to be a dressage coat, choose a single vented coat with four buttons. For hunters, you'd choose a three button coat with a double vent. However, I showed for years in a black hunter coat (Grand Prix) and that was just fine. What's important is a good fit, not the brand.

Wear an ASTM helmet.