Stallion Choice for Very Hot TB Mare?

[eleanore]

I have a beautiful TB mare that is simply stunning.... but she is a beast to ride. She has lovely manners around the barn, but I must have every one of my wits about me when I climb on her back. Exceptionally athletic, she does not suffer fools gladly. She is very muscled, and looks more like a WB than a TB.

I am looking to breed her in the hopes of producing a jumper type foal....but I am very mindful of not wanting to produce a super hot baby.

Any suggestions for jumper Stallions that are known to produce sane, quiet babies?

[Hillside H Ranch]

This is just my humble and respectful opinion, but perhaps you might want to re-think breeding her? I only say this b/c it doesn't sound like you would be happy if you got an exact replica of her (temperament wise) and that can certainly happen. I often think we depend upon the stallion to correct so much when we all know the mare is half the equation!
That being said, I'm sure that people here will have lots of good suggestions for quiet stallions.

[Dressage_Diva333]

I was recently at Bridlewood Hanoverians, and got to meet all of Dr. Schmidt's wonderful boys :) I wanted to suggest Donnerkeil, he seemed to be a very sweet stallion, and has crossed VERY well on Thoroughbred mares before. I've also heard he stamps his offspring well with his temperment. He was a very nice mover (especially for being 26, and just playing the pasture!!). Plus, Dr. Schmidt is fantastic to work with :yes:

[eleanore]

Hillside Ranch, thank you for your reply. I see your point, but I think I should have been clearer in my post.

I didn't mean my mare was mean or dirty under saddle....she has never been that way. She is just a lot of horse to ride under saddle....certainly not for an amateur. I love her athleticism, her type, and her honest nature. She has tremendous scope, and is very willing.

I just want to dial her down a tinge.... BUT, if I got a foal that was as hot as she is under saddle, I would not be upset. I know this is a possiblity.... I know breeding is an educated gamble....I am just trying to give myself the best odds of producing a somewhat quieter foal.

[horsetales]

There are a number of Irish Draughts and sport horses that are jumpers and the Irish influence can produce a wonderful ammie temperment. You might look into horses such as Clover Cliste, Cradillo, King of Hearts, or O'Learys Irish Diamond

[octoberhill]

Mezcalero would be a fabulous cross with that type of mare.

[nsm]

Ironman has an amazingly quiet disposition that he sucessfully has passed on to offspring of many many, hotter or more difficult mares. Often the offspring are are quiet enough to do the hunters.

Nancy

[Ladybug Hill]

My Westporte colt out of my TB mare is nearly a deadhead! I used to worry a bit that there was something wrong with him but he just truly has a very quiet disposition. His dam is not hot but definitely a TB type--I was breeding for my future quiet older-amateur horse.

[crosscreeksh]

Just remember...the baby will spend the best part of 6 months watching how "momma" does things and reacts!! A stallion can only contribute SO much via his sperm!! I've found that breeding mares you don't particulary LOVE isn't worth while!! JMO One example: We had a TB BM (racing) for a client years ago. The mare was a PITA for everything! The first three foals -all by different and upper level racing studs were all physically above average, but each had a personality you had to hate. None ever won a race and were sold for amounts varying from $1 to $5,000. The mare died in colic surgery when the 4th foal was 2 months old, while at the breeding farm 1,000 miles from us. Under duress, the owners sent the orphan to us - in horrid condition - and we put him with our Clydesdale broodmare who had weaned her own foal at 6 months, two months previously. As soon as the orphan started nursing, the mare started making milk AGAIN and raised/fed the orphan until he was 6 months old. THAT foal grew up to be a successful stakes winner. Classic case of Nurture vs. Nature!!

[siegi b.]

Contango, Contango, Contango!!!!
Really good cross with a TB mare and a temperament to die for!

[Windswept Stable]

Do you really want to breed a VERY HOT mare...because odds are for you to get a VERY HOT foal. The stallion is only part of the equation. Not a fair burdon to lay on any stallion.
If you dont love her--dont breed her.

[Foxtrot's]

Most jumpers have more ooompf than dressage types. I bred to an Irish horse because that stallion has only ever produced nice, balanced quiet kids.

[Lesley Feakins]

You should take a look at Landkonig...Rainbow Equus. We have a coming 3 yr old filly by him who has an amazing temperament and she was out of quite a sensitive mare. He seems to consistently throw offspring with good rideability and great temperaments.

[FMulder]

Parco would be super for this type of mare.

[andy.smaga]

Do not hesitate to breed this mare, I understand you want to produce a jumper, and the one's that jump the really big courses need to have a strong personality and the athleticism needed to clear those jumps.

I'm only knowledgeable with Selle Français stallions and would consider Kalaska de Semilly, because he will bring a lot of willingness to the equation, competed in Beijing Olympic Games with a 22y/o amateur lady.
http://www.semilly.com/gb/kalaska-gb.html#note

Many stallions will cross well with this type of mare, keep in mind that you want proven jumping lines in the sire pedigree.

[EASY RIDER STABLE]

www.magicrosefarm.com Hanoverian Stallion "Beste Gold" ? He's a very nice horse that breeds brains and brawn into TB mares. He is relatively inexpensive and has an incredible jumping pedigree. Although you can't go wrong with "Seigl B's" choice of Contango and that very nice lady was "Breeder of the Year" with the Dutch registry so I do believe she knows what shes doing.

[camohn]

Do you have a breed preferance and what is her pedigree?

[FriesianX]

Gotta 2nd the recommendation look at the RID (Irish Draught). They cross wonderfully with Tbreds (Irish Sport Horse), are famous for their jump, and generally throw a good temperment. Several good recommendations already made for specific stallions.

[sm]

Also interested in her pedigree, there may be solid sporthorse bloodlines there worth preserving. In which case I'd pick a solid TB stallion of easy temperament that compliments her bloodlines.

Although if you're breeding her for sale to the ammie market, I'd pass based on her temperament alone.

[Fairview Horse Center]

Nevada has bred quite a few hot & difficult mares, as he is known for putting a quiet, more amateur friendly temperament on the offspring. A few of those belonged to young boarders at my farm, so we were able to follow the babies thru breaking and their first shows. The owners (best friends) broke their babies with very little coaching, and were both in the ribbons at their very first show. They actually went 1-2 in a local schooling jumper show, so we are very happy with their talent and temperaments.

[hessy35]

This is just my humble and respectful opinion, but perhaps you might want to re-think breeding her? I only say this b/c it doesn't sound like you would be happy if you got an exact replica of her (temperament wise) and that can certainly happen. I often think we depend upon the stallion to correct so much when we all know the mare is half the equation!
That being said, I'm sure that people here will have lots of good suggestions for quiet stallions.

I'd have to agree with the above. Often foals duplicate their mother's temperments. There is just no way of knowing if you can breed that out..

[crtrak]

there are a couple of very nice quiet trakehner jumping stallions (some of whom are available at great prices on the ATA stallion auction right now: www.americantrakehners.com). And the ATA has just put together a new futurity jumping program too.

Tzigane *Pb*
Horalas *Pg*
Special Memories *Pg*

and then of course, there's Abdullah *Pg*

I can vouch for the quietness and athleticism of Tzigane's offspring.

Good luck to you!

[Gribby]

This could be my mare. She is a spitfire under saddle and the sweetest thing on earth around the barn. I bred her to Roc USA and couldn't be happier.

Her daughter is a joy to work with both on the ground and under saddle. She's gone to shows and totally loves being there. She is coming 5 this year and we started her over fences before our trainer went South. She thinks jumping is a reward.

Almost all of Roc"s offspring are being raised by their Amateur owners and all I know of have been much like my filly.

[eleanore]

I think I am going to give Contango a very long look... Thanks Seigi B!

The sire of my mare is Lauries Crusador, and he has certainly been known to produce very good brood mares.

In the field she is a well mannered angel....a real sweetheart. And I do want to breed a GP Jumper, so I don't want all of the fire gone....just a tinge.

Thanks to everyone for your wonderful suggestions, and the very helpful PM's.

[vineyridge]

Not wanting to start a catfight at all, but my impression was that Laurie's Crusador was not a good thing in jumpers. Even as grandsire, isn't he supposed to be a jump killer?

Any answers will be very educational as I try to learn more about WBs.

Should I start another thread?

[eleanore]

Vineyridge,

I am too tired for a cat fight tonight. Maybe tomorrow??

My mare has Lucky Boy on the dam's side, and while she has beautiful movement, she is definitely not a dressage mare.

[TKR]

Personally, I wouldn't have a problem breeding your mare. You haven't said anything about her that is "bad" or that makes her unrideable, you just want more mellow. Could you give us a link to her pedigree, sometimes seeing what's in the gene pool is helpful. What about A Fine Romance? He's a mellow fellow that is a proven sire of good minded "kids"? What does she need besides a quieter stallion -- size, any conformation that you'd like to tweak or movement? I've had some "diva" mares that produce great and also mares by stallions that were known to be tough that produced wonderful babies bred to the right guy. She doesn't have any bad habits, so what's the problem? Good Luck!
PennyG

[ChocoMare]

Have you considered Maxamillion? http://www.goldenventurefarm.com/1GVFMaxamillion.html

I have been around this boy and he is as coooool as a cucumber. Very sensible and calm, no matter what's going on around him.

And that lil' bugger can jump! :yes: You point him at it and he'll go over....nice form, uses his back well, very scopey, quite careful.

Best of all, foal after foal inherit his disposition, jumping ability and in most, his beautiful color. :cool:

[silvia]

Personally if I wanted a foal from this mare for myself to keep, then I would do it - but to sell, definitely not. Hot mares are hard work and they do teach it to their foals.

[DressaginMadtown]

I would suggest Allasio's Boy from Gestut Birkhof. He has a great temperament that he passes on to his offspring. Frozen semen in the US is available at www.bluemoundsequine.com

[Sugarbrook]

We have a lovely warmblood mare by Donnerhall. Customers mare. Excellent show mare, but WAY to long a prep to get to the show ring. We have bred her 2 times to my Blue Who, our small pony stallion. The colt she had first is so layed back and lazy, and the next one, a filly, is the same. So, maybe it was my stallion who changed things??? I hope it was.

[cheekyhorse]

I'd fully suggest my stallion Pacific for this type of mare. He is a grandson of Enrico Caruso and that bloodline is well known for their calm and easy to ride temperments. His sire Dalnomer was also a VERY quiet stallion and was stabled across from mares at the training barn he was at, you'd never even know Dally was a stallion if he didn't look like one. He was always very quiet and well behaved. Pacific is no different, I am an amateur owner/rider and have trained this stallion by myself (with regular lessons of course). He is a very, very good boy and I can feel totally confident riding him even after time off he is the same, he just goes right to work. Even with horses acting up around him he just ignores them and keeps going. (he actually goes better around other horses as he thinks they are watching him!) His foals so far are all very quiet natured and easy to handle.