OK, I gotta ask- tell me about Rousseau and Royal Prince babies

[ASB Stars]

I am in the information seeking mode on this. What did you breed to either, in bloodlines, movement, type, size and temperament? What did you get (in those categories)? Did you buy a prospect by either? Please let me know what you can.

They are both exceptional, IMHO, although they are different.

Thanks!:yes:

[ASB Stars]

No one has any information to share? Aw, c'mon....

[Edgewood]

Well, I didn't see your post until now. I cannot comment on Rousseau as I have never had a foal by him. But I do have a RP colt from 2008. He is a very good mix of his dam (Donnerschlag - Matrose) and his sire. Very, very friendly personality, a real people's horse, and really pretty unflappable. If he is scared or worried about something, his first instinct is to go up and check it out and investigate.

Photos and video here
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze85onr/id32.html

This page has a link to the dam's page so you can see what she brought to the table.

You may also want to see Rolling Stone Farms site under broodmare prospects (www.rollingstonefarm.com (http://www.rollingstonefarm.com)). They have 2 Royal Prince mares (3 yo now). Rheporter is a 1/2 sister to one of my mares (both out the same dam Whispre).

Actually, on Hilltop's new DVD, my boy, Rheporther (from RSF) and Ticofuzzy's filly (http://www.foxwoodhanoverians.com/) are the non-Hilltop foals used for RP offspring.

[ASB Stars]

Thanks!

Do you feel that RP improved upon specific things in your mare? What would they be?

Does anyone have any Rousseau get?

[patch work farm]

I have bred two RP foals and both of them have been VERY friendly and easy to do anything with, they are both out of the same mare-she is Gold Luck's full sister. I had a filly (now owned by RSF) that has tons of chrome-she is chestnut, the dark bay gelding which I still own, has one white hind sock so you cannot guarantee the color/chrome. From my standpoint, you cannot beat their temperaments! They tend to be taller which I would credit Prince Thatch for. I was planning to breed this mare once again but unfortunately have opted not to breed this year for several reasons.

As far as Rousseau, you are right, very different from RP, but from everything I have heard from those that have his offspring, you cannot go wrong. My trainer had suggested him for my competition mare to help her hind end but my fear is that I will get height (she has produced 17.1 before). I have watched Susanne ride him and he is just awesome! As a matter of fact, I stood next to him while he was in cross ties and he was a perfect gentleman. Personally, I adore Wamberto and cannot wait to see his foals this year.

Good luck with your decision, I don't think you can go wrong with either one.

[Touchstone Farm,Ky]

I have three RP offspring. A coming four year old gelding and filly and a coming three year old gelding. All three are started under saddle and were easy and happy to work. Great movers, wonderful temperments , fun personalities. all three of mine are chestnut with lots of white. The link is to a slideshow of them.
http://smilebox.com/playBlog/4e7a45324e7a67344d413d3d0d0a

[bloomingtonfarm]

I have a 2008 Rousseau colt out of a Flemmingh mare. He is 14 hands at 8 months. I bred this mare to Rousseau because I wanted to improve her loins area and add more height which is what I got so I am very pleased.

At his keuring the jury found him very expressive in his movement , light footed and commented on his good use of the hind legs. In the Championship class, comments were made on his good shoulder, long lined and rectangular body.

You can see somes pictures of him from 5 days to 8 months at: http://www.bloomingtonfarm.com/apps/photos/album.jsp?albumID=1104007.


He is adorable. Very friendly, you can be sure he will come to the gate to meet you, and if you don't come, big chances that he will call you. My other colt was not people oriented but this Rousseau colt had a tremendous impact on him. He became almost as nice as him. I was afraid of the opposite as the other is older and more bossy. But he could not resist him I guess.

I am thinking of breeding him again this year. He might be more expensive but he worths every penny of it in my opinion.

[Edgewood]

Thanks!

Do you feel that RP improved upon specific things in your mare? What would they be?

Does anyone have any Rousseau get?

Colt is more refined than the dam, with longer legs and a prettier head. Walk was improved (though hers is good). Trot and canter and good, but pretty comparable to the dam. She got a 9 on character and 8 on temperment at her MPT, so I cannot say if RP added to his personable nature. He is pretty much as friendly as the Rotspon the year before (who was also unflappable). In comparison to the Rotspon out of this same mare, the RP is leggier, prettier overall and has a better walk and trot. RP did remove any chrome whereas Rotspon added a lot of chrome out of the same mare (without much chrome).

[Sonichorse]

I have a coming three year old Rousseau filly that I love. She is out of Rubenstein/Werther mare and is the most outgoing and happy horse I have ever owned. She is quite willing and bold but a little lazy. She hasn't been started yet, but I am pretty sure she'll be easy. She has taken everything new I've thrown at her in stride, and is very mature physically and mentally for her age. . She isn't super modern and could use a little more refinement and type in my opinion - the girl is HUGE. She is also a very good mover with tons of power and scope.
I love her and would personally like to have 5 more just like her. Here is a picture of her about 8 months ago. She looks quite a bit different now but I'm holding off on new pictures 'til spring time!
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2170366840051148306GYosjR

[siegi b.]

I've bred to Rousseau twice and based on that and other Rousseau offspring that I've seen I would say that the stallion needs a fairly modern mare to really shine. He will add substance but not always height, good temperament, and a powerful rear end.

[Indy-lou]

I have an RP filly out of an old-type mostly Gelderlander Dutch mare. I also have a Sir Sinclair filly out of the same mare. RP gave the filly a prettier head, long legs, shortened the mare's body in a good way, filly will also be tall. I like the neck set on the RP filly better, but have been told not to count on that with RP. The RP filly overall is more feminine and flashy than the SS filly, as she got 3 whites and a broad star. I am told adding a lot of white is not unusual with RP. The RP filly is finer boned. The RP filly is confident and unflappable. She marches through everything without a second glance and is very friendly. The SS filly locks her attention on her handler more and wears her "heart on her sleeve" so to speak, whereas the RP filly has a very regal and queenly demeanor. In other words, the SS filly is humble and the RP filly is not so much. Oh yes, the walk was improved, the trot is different than on the SS filly, more sweepy on the RP filly. Both have balanced canters. I would say RP can "pretty-up" some old-fashioned types and add elasticity to the gaits. We are awaiting a Wamberto foal this May from another mare, and I am hoping for all the good stuff Rousseau gives. Went with Wamberto because the mare has Roemer in her pedigree and wanted to put another generations distance into the cross. If I had a mare for Rousseau, I'd use him.

[Edgewood]

I am told adding a lot of white is not unusual with RP. I have heard that he either adds it or takes it away completely, depending on the mare. The only wish I have in my RP colt was that he was NOT only red (A nice star or small star/strip like his dam would have been nice):D

[YankeeLawyer]

I have a Rousseau foal due in April out of my Sandro Hit x Donnerhall mare. She is very modern and I think suits him very well, but we'll see!

[Signature]

I will spare you all the repeated gushing about Edgewood's RP colt that I love. :) We always ask, "would we love it if it was plain chestnut?" to make sure we are not blinded by color or markings when trying to be objective - and he is a clear answer to that question! We have a nearly plain chestnut Donatelli filly this year but once you see her move she could be purple! :)

I would love to breed to RP, as all that we've seen have been such a lovely type with very hunter-suited movement and looks. We saw several at an inspection and mare show in 2007 and they were definitely stamped. He's surely on our list.:cool:

[Dressage_Diva333]

I have a Rousseau foal due in April out of my Sandro Hit x Donnerhall mare. She is very modern and I think suits him very well, but we'll see!

Oooohhhhh, can't wait to see pictures of that baby! Good luck!





I also must add that Edgewood's colt is stunning, I just love looking at pictures of that boy :)

[ASB Stars]

I've bred to Rousseau twice and based on that and other Rousseau offspring that I've seen I would say that the stallion needs a fairly modern mare to really shine. He will add substance but not always height, good temperament, and a powerful rear end.

Siegi:

I'm sorry- do you mean he does not add a good temperament, or a powerful hind end? You said "not always" and then listed three items- I value your opinion, and I am just looking for clarification.

Thanks! :yes:

[ASB Stars]

OK...I can't believe I am contemplating this- because, as a rule, I don't even think of breeding outside of my ASB's, but here goes. I have a mare who is the dam of Borealis, and also of "Mon Capitan", who are, respectively, the two highest scoring horses of their breed in the sport horse ring, in front of an Olympic level judge.

She is gorgeous. Ask EqTrainer! :winkgrin: She walks like a hooker, has enormous power, great big beautiful feet, she is 16.3- and about that wide :shock: she is black, and her trot and canter are pretty fancy, as well. She is gamer than game, and can be 1300# of tough stuff, if she gets pushed. I think alot of it is how she was raised- she was seven when I bought her. I need a horse who thows great, trainable minds. As for the rest- I just do not want to detract from her- I want her best stuff, which she tends to produce, and then I want...MORE...

I do not have a stallion here to breed her to. I crossed her on the only one I could, and he is terrific, but his daddy doesn't have the best walk, and while the colt got everything else I wanted, he doesn't have Mom's walk. So, I need to look outside.

I never thought I'd breed her to anything but an ASB-- I may need oxygen, here-- but she is the best her breed has to offer, IMHO, and her production record proves it.

Any more thoughts- I am in love with both studs, and she is close enough in type to be a reasonable roll of the dice.

Here is an informal shot of her:

http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t18/bryndewinesfarm/?action=view&current=DSC_0027.jpg

Her son:
http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t18/bryndewinesfarm/?action=view&current=bo3-1.jpg

http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t18/bryndewinesfarm/?action=view&current=bo2.jpg

http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t18/bryndewinesfarm/?action=view&current=Borealistrot.jpg

[jodyb]

I have a coming 4 year old Royal Prince filly. She has lots of chrome that she didn't get from her mama who was a solid bay. Her dam is a small Trakehner mare that had a good sized dam and sire. I thought the dam would throw size but so far her foals look like they well be the average between her and the stallion she's bred to. This RP filly looks like she will be about 15.3 and is quite refined. Her dam is also refined, so could be RP, could be mom. The RP filly has a better front end than mom and is definitely more tractable and adjustable.

Here's a video from this fall of her under saddle. Remember she's only 3 and we're not pushing her,

http://www.baumgartnersporthorses.com/rosetta.html

and here's her mom.

http://www.baumgartnersporthorses.com/fame.html

Oh, and I'll gush, Edgewood your colt is gorgeous :yes:

[Bogey2]

I have a 3 year-old Rousseau (bred by Trevelyan Farm). He will be 4 March 29and is 17.1. The temperament is wonderful, it is rare that I have to lunge him before I ride him. He was very easy to handle and start. He gets better with work....very easy to get round and built uphill with a lovely neck. (bought him at 8 weeks as a prospect)

My niece bought a Rousseau from Trevelyan Farm also, visit the breeders site to see "Dream On". He too is wonderful to handle and a lovely moving colt. (bought in-utero)

[siegi b.]

Siegi:

I'm sorry- do you mean he does not add a good temperament, or a powerful hind end? You said "not always" and then listed three items- I value your opinion, and I am just looking for clarification.

Thanks! :yes:

ASB Stars - sorry for my poor English... I meant that he DOES add good temperament and a powerful real end.

Looking at the pictures of your mare I would strongly recommend Johnson (Flemmingh x Jazz) for her. I had a Johnson colt this year that I couldn't be more tickled with.....

Best,
Siegi

[Touchstone Farm]

I have a coming 3-year-old gelding by RP. Extremely friendly -- will leave his food and friends to visit people. His dam was 17.1 H, more of the older style Hanoverian. RP "modernized" the offspring, although he will be at least 17H as well. Same chrome as the dam (big blaze, two hind stockings), so can't comment on whether RP giveth or taketh away in that category. Dam had a good hind end/good motor and good temperament too. I was just hoping to have the resulting offspring be a bit more forward and lighter. RP did that -- you can hardly hear my 3-year-old touch the ground as he moves. He's also more comfortable to sit the trot; I think RP reduced the "tension" the mare had in her back. But we'll see. He's pretty young yet, but so far I am pleased with the result.

[Home Again Farm]

I have a 2008 RP colt. His dam is a solid, slightly older style Donnerhall mare who stands about 16.1. RP added length of leg, refinement and a little chrome. The dam has good gaits, but her RP is a real improvement. As he has grown, he has gotten very free in the shoulder and has an excellent use of hindleg. He looks like he will be quite tall, much taller than his dam, but time will tell. He is sweet, easy (was from day 1), very outgoing and people oriented. He was top colt at his Hanoverian inspection. It is a breeding I will repeat.

I have seen up close and personal an RP mare from RP's first year at stud. She is out of a mare that is a full sister to the stallion Staccatto (Idocus/ Domfee). She was started at my trainers last fall. She is about 16.2 or 16.3, dark bay with chrome, very beautiful and refined, three topnotch gaits. She was easy to start, sensible, yet forward and quick off the leg.

I have a Rousseau coming this year from my mare Wolkenstanza (Wolkentanz I/ Rohdiamant). Can hardly wait to see what that cross produces!

[Lesley Feakins]

We have had two Rousseau foals from two different mares. A 2006 colt named Armani and another colt in 2008 out of a mare by Zeoliet/Goodtimes. Both really lovely colts and I wouldn't hesitate to breed to him again and I'm pretty sure will go back to Rousseau in the near future. We have a Wamberto foal coming out of the Zeoliet mare this spring, so am interested to see how that foal will compare to the Rousseau colt from last year.