Ok, I'm $425,000 short of buying my dream horse, drool, drool, drool [Archive]

mademoiselle

Jan. 13, 2009, 12:50 AM

I was looking at schoolmasters, when I came across this horse. I'm in love. If I could win the lottery, then I would happily pay the 400,000 Euros they are asking for him and play with my new horsie. I know that he is not perfect (changes and piaffe could improve), but who cares ...

I even like his color :yes:

BTW, his rider has an amazing seat :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPCuo6dxoCY&feature=related

Ambrey

Jan. 13, 2009, 12:56 AM

I adore that stallion. He is my favorite :)

Donella

Jan. 13, 2009, 01:18 AM

Wow, gorgeous! Lovely color too!

Happy Feet

Jan. 13, 2009, 08:35 AM

Lovely! Well, if I win the lottery first I'm snatching himup - but I'll let you sit on him! :> LOL! FL is now a powerball state so the odds are something crazy like 1 in 6 million?!

merrygoround

Jan. 13, 2009, 09:12 AM

Great fluid movement!

I'd lend you the $$$,but I'm alittle short too. :D

ThatScaryChick

Jan. 13, 2009, 11:56 AM

Lovely! Well, if I win the lottery first I'm snatching himup - but I'll let you sit on him! :> LOL! FL is now a powerball state so the odds are something crazy like 1 in 6 million?!

1 in 6 million? Nope. Sorry, it's much higher then that. Try 1 in 195,249,084 of winning the jackpot. It's 1 in 5,138,133 of winning a second prize.

grayarabpony

Jan. 13, 2009, 12:01 PM

Wow, he is nice. Floaty. :D

mbm

Jan. 13, 2009, 12:06 PM

isnt this the horse that came is second i believe in the 2003 young horse champs? iif it is the same horse, he was one of my faves then and it is nice to see he developed so nicely!

Elegante E

Jan. 13, 2009, 12:07 PM

Thought this was going to be a joke but wow, lovely. He didn't look heavy to ride and just so fluid. A few slight issues, but hey who's perfect. Would like a non stallion version, please.

Brookes

Jan. 13, 2009, 12:33 PM

Hey Elegante E, for half a million bucks you can make him anything you want!! Hell you could dress him up in a tutu and call him Sally.

oldbag

Jan. 13, 2009, 12:49 PM

Alagirl

Jan. 13, 2009, 01:20 PM

Yes he is lovely - BUT he's not good enough to be in contention for International prizes. Also in a couple of years he will have the lost the few dapples he has left and be just a plain grey. So he won't be anything like as eyecatching.

Party pooper! :lol:

he's good enough to rule the local circuit! maybe national as well....international is too much travel anyhow! :D

mademoiselle

Jan. 13, 2009, 01:25 PM

Yes he is lovely - BUT he's not good enough to be in contention for International prizes. Also in a couple of years he will have the lost the few dapples he has left and be just a plain grey. So he won't be anything like as eyecatching.

probably good enough to get my bronze medal, don't you think:winkgrin:

I still like him even if he would not win the olympics or the WEG, I'm not 'olympic material' as a rider either

J-Lu

Jan. 13, 2009, 02:03 PM

Yes he is lovely - BUT he's not good enough to be in contention for International prizes. Also in a couple of years he will have the lost the few dapples he has left and be just a plain grey. So he won't be anything like as eyecatching.

Just a plain grey? In a sea of plain dark bay dressage horses? They still stand out! To the OP - maybe if everyone in your town/city can send you $1, things might work out! To the person posting the dismal lottery odds: my philosophy is that everyone who won did not think that they would win because the odds are dismal. *Someone* has to win! I like to play occasionally and I feel that $2 worth of tickets is well worth the entertainment of daydreaming for a few days about what I'd do if I won.:D

msrobin

Jan. 13, 2009, 02:24 PM

He is a beauty and I totally feel your "must have" mode kicking in. I have the same thought when I see horses like that. Makes me get butterflies in the tummy.

PLEASE LOTTERY PLEASE!!!

ThatScaryChick

Jan. 13, 2009, 02:39 PM

Just a plain grey? In a sea of plain dark bay dressage horses? They still stand out! To the OP - maybe if everyone in your town/city can send you $1, things might work out! To the person posting the dismal lottery odds: my philosophy is that everyone who won did not think that they would win because the odds are dismal. *Someone* has to win! I like to play occasionally and I feel that $2 worth of tickets is well worth the entertainment of daydreaming for a few days about what I'd do if I won.:D

I didn't say nobody should play because the odds are dismal. I also play the lottery. I was just correcting the poster on the odds since she was off by quite a bit.

J-Lu

Jan. 13, 2009, 02:57 PM

I didn't say nobody should play because the odds are dismal. I also play the lottery. I was just correcting the poster on the odds since she was off by quite a bit.

Ooops, sorry if I came off snarky! I hate to see actual facts when they get in the way of my personal daydreams! :lol::lol: I'm going to make a future Olympic team just like the dentist who won Olympic eventing in Bejing! Really, I am! :D

indyblue

Jan. 13, 2009, 03:07 PM

Ooops, sorry if I came off snarky! I hate to see actual facts when they get in the way of my personal daydreams! :lol::lol: I'm going to make a future Olympic team just like the dentist who won Olympic eventing in Bejing! Really, I am! :D

You can tell us about your Olympic dreams but please don't call a press conference...........LOL

Elegante E

Jan. 13, 2009, 03:12 PM

Hey Elegante E, for half a million bucks you can make him anything you want!! Hell you could dress him up in a tutu and call him Sally.

OMG, too funny!

If I paid that much money for a horse, I'D be the one wearing the tutu and tiara in the show ring and everyone would be calling me Nutterbunny!

DairyQueen2049

Jan. 13, 2009, 03:29 PM

OMG, too funny!

If I paid that much money for a horse, I'D be the one wearing the tutu and tiara in the show ring and everyone would be calling me Nutterbunny!

Add glitter to Sally and you can be Sugerbunnykins. :winkgrin:

J-Lu

Jan. 13, 2009, 03:32 PM

You can tell us about your Olympic dreams but please don't call a press conference...........LOL

Of course not! Good reporters fact-check! And like I said, facts have a way of getting in the way of my hopes and dreams... :)

mademoiselle

Jan. 13, 2009, 04:41 PM

you mean that my odds of winning the lottery are going to be higher if I actually buy a lottery ticket ?:lol:

As far as day dreaming, I with you J-Lu, I already thought about my Rolex horse and my GP dressage horse and the way would design the barn and everything. Do you think it's time to get a PR crew for my commnication.

Minus $425,000 I'm ready to buy him :lol:

Ambrey

Jan. 13, 2009, 05:11 PM

you mean that my odds of winning the lottery are going to be higher if I actually buy a lottery ticket ?:lol:

Only slightly ;) I heard the quote once "the lottery is investing for people who are bad at math."

Still love the stallion. Whether he'll bring that kind of money or not is another question entirely!

nlk

Jan. 13, 2009, 05:48 PM

SillyHorse

Jan. 13, 2009, 05:58 PM

I don't think you will be attacked for you comment.

Mademoiselle, you would look fantabulous on that horse. :yes:

shade

Jan. 13, 2009, 05:59 PM

Ok so I'm venturing out of the hunter forum, nobody kick me out or pick on me;) I would like to say that I do lower level dressage and have taken lessons with a high level trainer up here.

I just wanted to put in my $.02.

I love this stallion he's got some great movements. But I also Love the rider. I hate to say it but I see so many riders with wha I call nagging legs. I was appalled my first time at rolex to see the legs in dressage and stadium. Of course as I don't ride at that level I can't say much:D

I was so pleased watching this rider with her deep seat and correct legs. You could see when she cued for every move and the horses instant response! I really have a pet peeve of the floppy leg that is just nagging! And I realize I will like get attacked for that comment but I had to because I was so impressed b this rider too!

Completely agree.

I'm from the H/J world too but started out as a darksider...I'm curious as to why this horse would not win at the international level. To me he is breathtaking to watch. So light, floaty and with tons of spring and to me he has a true extension. Some of the extensions I see are all the front end with not a ton of reach behind. Don't kill me please as I don't watch upper levels a ton. And the rider...absolutely fabulous. To me this person has a true deep following seat I could watch them ride all day long.

GreekDressageQueen

Jan. 13, 2009, 06:02 PM

I think a lot of us hate a "nagging" leg in any riding discipline, but sometimes when you are doing a half-pass across the entire arena, at the end of your test, and your horse is running out of steam...well sometimes some nagging is there out of desperation to get that much more reach! I used to hate to watch riders "swing" their legs during tempis until I found out that it actually works better on my horse. So, now I'm a leg swinger but thankfully not a nagger (although I don't think my husband would agree with the latter.) :winkgrin:

GreekDressageQueen

Jan. 13, 2009, 06:06 PM

Completely agree.
I'm curious as to why this horse would not win at the international level. To me he is breathtaking to watch.

His piaffe is not yet confirmed and his passage is too tight/short IMO. In piaffe, he is not sitting and trotting, he is still moving too much forward and bracing against the hands instead of sitting on his booty. His passage is very "up" but not soft and forward enough. Too prancy.

Since piaffe and passage make up a large portion of the international GP test, he would lose lots of points and likely not be very competitive.

Ambrey

Jan. 13, 2009, 06:08 PM

Doesn't he still have time to work on piaffe and passage, though? I thought he was younger.

slc2

Jan. 13, 2009, 06:13 PM

"Doesn't he have time? Isn't he young?"

Some things don't change that much.

shade

Jan. 13, 2009, 06:36 PM

His piaffe is not yet confirmed and his passage is too tight/short IMO. In piaffe, he is not sitting and trotting, he is still moving too much forward and bracing against the hands instead of sitting on his booty. His passage is very "up" but not soft and forward enough. Too prancy.

Since piaffe and passage make up a large portion of the international GP test, he would lose lots of points and likely not be very competitive.

Thank you I appreciate that. I did see that those movements weren't "good" but could they not be improved/confirmed or is that the best they will probably ever be? BTW how old is this horse?

Pony Fixer

Jan. 13, 2009, 08:02 PM

Also his pirouette was big and his walk does not overtrack at all.

But if they want to give him to me, I'm sure we could give it a go:winkgrin:

Dressage Art

Jan. 13, 2009, 08:29 PM

I'll take this one with all of his flaws :lol:
The strangest thing was his pirouettes. I wonder what he would score on those hoping circles?

TSWJB

Jan. 13, 2009, 10:52 PM

wow! that horse is one of the most gorgeous dressage horses i have seen! good luck in raising his purchase price!

Ambrey

Jan. 13, 2009, 10:56 PM

Why not take the lead of one of the posts in off-course and hold a silent auction?

J-Lu

Jan. 14, 2009, 03:46 AM

I don't know, but the vast majority of the "issues" mentioned regarding this horse's performance seem to point to lack of strength to me. Piaffe and passage and "hopping" in the pirouettes can improve greatly with strength because they are difficult movements. I didn't see the rider particularly letting the horse out in the walk, either, so I'm not too surprised that there's no overstep shown. This horse *to me* looks typical of his line. Little of his history is obvious (did he have time off? Was he injured? Who trained him his whole life?) so I'm not sure much can be said about his potential versus what is seen in the video. He's coming 12 (born 1997). He's got time to improve his GP. Just my two cents... J.

dutchmike

Jan. 14, 2009, 08:40 AM

Way over priced from what is shown in the video

horserider12

Jan. 14, 2009, 08:48 AM

wow, well if you guys don't want him in the dressage world for that price, i'll take him as an equitation prospect! love his movement!

mademoiselle

Jan. 14, 2009, 09:25 AM

Way over priced from what is shown in the video

Yes, if he was a gelding or a mare, maybe, but when you think that this mare was for sale for $150k : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyFu2YTDAdY:eek:

and this one is for sale for 200k :http://www.warmbloods-for-sale.com/HorseDetail.asp?HorseID=16070&UserID=3421

And this one sold for a little over $1.2 M : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Z5y7m1UX8
Now that's what I would call overpriced :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: I don't even like him that much. Holly Molly some people are really, really rich to spend that kind of money on a horse like this.

Now I feel cheap with my 400K Euro dream:lol::lol::lol:

Rubinrot has really nice bloodlines, he is a stallion so he will be priced higher than a mare or a gelding.
He has done very well as a young horse and he looks really easy. I'm not saying that he is, but at least that the impression he gives. And he is cute, let's face it, he has a wow factor which is going to inflate the price tag at the end.

mademoiselle

Jan. 14, 2009, 09:36 AM

I don't think you will be attacked for you comment.

Mademoiselle, you would look fantabulous on that horse. :yes:

thanks, I appreciate, but I think I would more look like this on his back :lol::lol::lol: :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT2hth9-2uw

Or maybe be not even as good:D

Runanhide

Jan. 14, 2009, 02:24 PM

*SIGH* If I had the $425K I'd spend it on him in an instant. Rubenstein/Inschallah is one of my very, very favorite crosses. Heck, he can just come and stand in my back yard... :winkgrin:

purplnurpl

Jan. 14, 2009, 05:13 PM

I just wanted to add:

The Credit Union I found lets you take out loans for horses.
They are under 4H livestock.

Just a suggestion.

grayarabpony

Jan. 14, 2009, 05:20 PM

I just wanted to add:

The Credit Union I found lets you take out loans for horses.
They are under 4H livestock.

Just a suggestion.

:lol:

GreekDressageQueen

Jan. 15, 2009, 12:58 PM

Thank you I appreciate that. I did see that those movements weren't "good" but could they not be improved/confirmed or is that the best they will probably ever be? BTW how old is this horse?

Don't get me wrong - this is a beautiful horse and I would be LUCKY to have him. However, a previous statement was he wouldn't be very competitive in international dressage and I mentioned the possible reasons why. He could probably do very well in the states at regional shows in Intermediare 1 and 2 and maybe squeak a high enough score in GP for someone to get their gold medal on in a few more years. Yes, his issues in piaffe and the pirouettes could be related to a lack of strength or he could just be tapped out. So few horses can actually do GP well - not because they can't be trained to do the movements - but they just aren't good enough for competition. Look at all those SRS Lippizans - they can physically do all of the movements and more but their movement is not what judges are looking for in competition.

I knew a beautiful horse who was very good at I-1 and 2 who was just absolutely breathtaking and beautiful, but he just couldn't do piaffe. He was sent to an Olympic trainer for one year just to work on his piaffe and it just wasn't going to happen. He still shows at GP level but usually gets scores in the low 50's because of it. This stallion is still young enough that he could improve some, but the likelihood that it would be a drastic improvement is small considering he is 12 already and creeping past his prime.

bort84

Jan. 21, 2009, 05:53 PM

Haha, I find this thread amusing. Very lovely horse. But to be honest, I just can't see myself EVER spending that kind of money on a horse, even if I was worth millions/billions. I guess it's because what I want most is to make a champion, not buy one that's nearly ready made. That's just me though; I always grew up having to make horses that weren't so great great, or bringing up young horses because we didn't have a whole lotta cash. Well maaaaybe if I had billions... maybe. Certainly not if I only had millions though, hahaaa.

He's very lovely, but I agree that you never reeeally know what the horse is capable of. And I'd hate to buy a $500K horse that ended up never really being able to piaffe like I want a horse to piaffe (most don't). So much freaking money! I mean, maaaaybe if you could make tons on breeding fees.

hessy35

Jan. 22, 2009, 12:27 PM

Also his pirouette was big and his walk does not overtrack at all.

But if they want to give him to me, I'm sure we could give it a go:winkgrin:

Some of you guys crack me up.. This is a wonderful horse and will make someone VERY happy

.. If he were perfect he would be priceless and NOT for sale.

bort84

Jan. 22, 2009, 01:48 PM

At $500K, he is just about priceless though! Haha. Shoot. I'd sell my horse for that kind of money even if he were the most perfect thing I'd ever happened upon. Anybody want a 15 hand appy? He's a lovely mover. I'll drop it down to $450K if you're a COTH forum member, hahaa.

Granted, if I had a horse for sale for $500K I may have a slightly different budget... So maybe he wouldn't be for sale = ) Tough economy though. Maybe the owners had to sell him or be forced to sell their yacht... Could happen!

Snowflake

Jan. 22, 2009, 02:49 PM

My neighbors won $33,300,000 in the lottery. Maybe you can get them to lend you the $$$.

Pony Fixer

Jan. 22, 2009, 04:20 PM

Some of you guys crack me up.. This is a wonderful horse and will make someone VERY happy

.. If he were perfect he would be priceless and NOT for sale.

It's called a joke. That's why there's a :winkgrin: wink, wink.

petitefilly

Jan. 22, 2009, 07:26 PM

Also his pirouette was big and his walk does not overtrack at all.

But if they want to give him to me, I'm sure we could give it a go:winkgrin:

LOL You slay me! I was annoyed that horses have to cost that much with talent! Silly me!

:) Yeah, I bet we would all line up just to sit on him for a half hour. Line forms behind me-me-me. :):):):):):):):)