In memory of November Rain

[nlk]

I doubt that this is true but it's still sad I e-mailed some questions I'll let you know the response but decided to share and see what others opinions are...

IMO these people have NO idea what they are talking about or are hoping to hit someone that has no idea about horses!

http://www.horseville.com/php/view.php?id=185885

[IsolaBella09]

There is no way a retired Olympic jumper would be for sale for $500.

[eqrider1234]

I doubt that this is true but it's still sad I e-mailed some questions I'll let you know the response but decided to share and see what others opinions are...

IMO these people have NO idea what they are talking about or are hoping to hit someone that has no idea about horses!

http://www.horseville.com/php/view.php?id=185885

thats so sad olympics to 4-h ): and he looks terrible for an 18 year old!!

[nlk]

There is no way a retired Olympic jumper would be for sale for $500.

That was my first thought! I -mailed to find out WHICH Olympic exactly he competed in and asked about any injuries that kept him from competing....

[huntereq7]

I hope this isn't a retired olympic horse :(
And yeah... it doesn't seem that they know what they're talking about lol

[Draftlover]

My question wouldn't be 'had he ever been in the Olympics' my question would be " How on earth did he ever get to this state?" this horse is quite clearly under weight !! Maybe Animal Control should visit this seller? !!

[huntereq7]

My question wouldn't be 'had he ever been in the Olympics' my question would be " How on earth did he ever get to this state?" this horse is quite clearly under weight !! Maybe Animal Control should visit this seller? !!


I agree!!

[superpony123]

:lol: that cant be true

[enjoytheride]

There was a very famous upper level eventer that someone found rotting away in a field and saved on the eventing bb.

There was also this horse, who stopped at a fence then found himself at New Holland
http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=54902&highlight=rescue

[Seven-up]

I'm thinking it was the Special Olympics.


If they will actually tell you his name, should be easy to verify. I wouldn't call it impossible, stranger things have happened, but I call bullsh!t on this one.

[Bluehorsesjp]

It really can happen.
My trainer found a horse for one of her BMC (big money clients). The horse was older 15-18 range and had been a World Cup horse. Not a s famous as an Olympic horse, but still the upper echelon of our sport.
Well the BMC decided they didn't want to ride with my trainer anymore and moved on. Then they decided they didn't want to ride at all anymore. Both of their expensive extremely nice horses were turned out in a field in CO with a whole bunch of grade horses. They essentially just slipped through the cracks. A year later someone picked them both up to use as barrel horses. My trainer eventually was contacted as in "I think these horses might have been in your program once." We drove by and there they were. Skinny, bad feet the whole nine yards. The poor world cup horse did not pasture well just turned out.
It happens more than we would like to think.

[War Admiral]

thats so sad olympics to 4-h ): and he looks terrible for an 18 year old!!

I agree. And I also agree with bluehorsesjp - it happens more often than one might expect.

IF - BIG IF - the story is true, then I betcha 2 other things are also true: (1) he's not sound and (2) he's older than 18.

Whether he's an Olympic horse or not, I sure hope one of y'all can pick him up and bring him home!!! :yes:

[nlk]

I agree. And I also agree with bluehorsesjp - it happens more often than one might expect.

IF - BIG IF - the story is true, then I betcha 2 other things are also true: (1) he's not sound and (2) he's older than 18.

Whether he's an Olympic horse or not, I sure hope one of y'all can pick him up and bring him home!!! :yes:

I so wish I could. I was hoping someone closer might see this and find it interesting enough to look into it.
I couldn't believe someone would put a picture like that on an add and not say something like "we just rescued him or he was sick so he's in poor body condition" something that even acknowledges that this horse is in horrible shape!

[nlk]

here's the response I got from the seller. almost sounds like they are dealers. I can't imagine anyone else taking someones word on this and advertise with out checking into it.:(

Hi,
We aren't sure what Olympics Dundee was in. The only info we were given was that he was an Olympic jumper. It isn't uncommon for owners to not want to give us a lot of details on the horses we acquire, we weren't even told his name, we named him Dundee after he arrived at our farm. As far as we know, Dundee did not suffer any injuries, he just stopped showing well. He was worked and worked and put in competition after competition, it seems he just got tired of it. We think he would do well as a 4-H horse.
Nancy & Jo

[Playing Games]

As far as I'm concerned he does not look like a very happy boy. Hopefully, someone will grab him, feed him, take good care of him, and love him. I hope it happens soon.

[SBT]

It absolutely happens. I saw an ACTUAL CONFIRMED Olympic jumper left to rot at a remote farm after it apparently became too old, crippled, and unthrifty to keep at the BNT's fancy barn. Asshat BNT wasn't man enough to just put the poor beast down (it was over 20 years old, more or less walked on its ankles, & couldn't keep weight on no matter what), so he dropped it off at the remote farm and basically disappeared until the BO called and DEMANDED he do something (ie euthanasia) for the horse's deteriorating condition. Apparently, "Bute" was the answer. :mad: It took a bunch of people making a really big stink for the BNT to grow a pair and put the horse down. (If anyone wants names, I am happy to share via PM.)

There truly is no achievement on this earth that will ensure a horse is loved and valued forever. Not even the Olympics.

[copper1]

If a Kentucky Derby winner-think LOTS of money-can end up in a can in Japan, you can bet an ex Olympic horse can end up in 4h! Sad but true!

[CallMeGrace]

There are some things worse than "ending up in 4-H"! ;)

[fordtraktor]

To me, the ending up in 4H is not an issue (our 4H horses growing up were our A show horses too). The horrible condition of this guy is. He's pretty dreadfully underweight and looks older than 18 to me.

[cloudyandcallie]

It could be true, after all, a Kentucky Derby winner went to slaughter and was eaten in Japan.:eek:

Or it could be false. I answered an adv. for a mare who was advertised as a "Kentucky Derby mare" even though only a few have run over the years.
When I asked the seller which year, he/she emailed back that the horse had run at Churchill Downs.

[*JumpIt*]

We have an old international jumper, rumored to have been on the Canadian Olymic team, that the most sillies old guy. He is a belgian warmblood and just putts around the ring with the kids on him. He for sure was once very spoiled, one of his small vices is that he bangs on his stall door when he runs out of hay.

[QM2]

Maybe his show name was "retired Olympic jumper"

[grandprixjump]

About this horse, "He's a retired Grand Prix horse." other person "Whats that mean? (then normally ride western and don't know levels of competition,or have mostly or only shown 4-H, open, etc)" seller, "Like they do in the olympics, the the BIG jumps"

And maybe has been thru several owners since he did the GP's. so his value went down with each level down, till now and yes he's probably older than they are saying...

[Comfortably Numb]

I don't know, the horse looks thin, but not incredibly underweight. Something about his look makes him seem very regal. The Olympic part? It could have started as having been in an Olympian's barn, and the story might have convoluted from there. He looks like a nice horse who deserves a nice home, he isn't priced unreasonably and hopefully someone will take him.

[medhorse]

It absolutely happens. I saw an ACTUAL CONFIRMED Olympic jumper left to rot at a remote farm after it apparently became too old, crippled, and unthrifty to keep at the BNT's fancy barn. Asshat BNT wasn't man enough to just put the poor beast down (it was over 20 years old, more or less walked on its ankles, & couldn't keep weight on no matter what), so he dropped it off at the remote farm and basically disappeared until the BO called and DEMANDED he do something (ie euthanasia) for the horse's deteriorating condition. Apparently, "Bute" was the answer. :mad: It took a bunch of people making a really big stink for the BNT to grow a pair and put the horse down. (If anyone wants names, I am happy to share via PM.)

There truly is no achievement on this earth that will ensure a horse is loved and valued forever. Not even the Olympics.

This is true. I knew of this story from a collegue. I believe the horse was a stallion. I think the BNT should have been gelded. The BNT didn't want anything to do with the horse and he could probably afford a good retirement. Unfortunately, some people believe that a horse only has "value" when it's performing and not when it's old. I wonder how they treat geriatric parents.

[zahena]

I sure hope someone picks this boy up and sticks some groceries in him. $500 is cheap for any horse and if he's good for 4-H he could sure make a good lesson horse. He looks utterly miserable and it breaks my heart!

[raave05]

looks like the old boy has good well set hocks, and conformationally (at least from what we can see) it looks like he could have jumped a decent sized fence. that said, i wouldn't be surprised if he was a modern pentathlon horse.

[turningpointequine]

I believe I actually know this horse . . .kind of. When I purchased my Oldenburg mare I was told there was also an aged chestnut retired Olympic Australian TB on the property for sale. I didn't look at him because I didn't need another horse so I'm not 100% positive this is the exact one but far too coincidental as I live in this area. My mare came to me in BAD shape. VERY thin and respiratory infection. I also got no information on her (registered name etc). I was told when I looked at her that they thought she as a draft cross. This is just a backyard woman who apparently had no idea what a brand was or what registry it referred to. She also does not put the care into these horses that we would expect. :( I've been trying since to bug the woman like crazy to find out who my mare actually is but have stopped receiveing e-mails from her. :( I know she gets very nice horses from a woman named Beth and then sells them dirt cheap. I have no idea where any of these horses actually came from but I've been trying like mad to find out. I've seen a very nice Hanovarian and a German Oldenburg on her property as well so I actually can believe that this guy is a retired upper level horse.

P.S. If anyone lives in this area (the farm is about 1/2 hour from Elmira, NY)and wants to help do some investigative work PM or e-mail me. :) I'd soooo love to find out where she's getting these horses!

[beeblebrox]

"Seven-up
I'm thinking it was the Special Olympics."


Rude, There are some very nice horses in the special olympic line up. I have a ex grand prix jumper who retired to one of my fields and looking at his sway back and grey you would never have known he took his BNT to events all over the world, I was just happy when his syndicate dumped him we could house him in his creaky years, well after a brief stint with a family who wanted to own a semi famous horse. You're statement is special in itself! This horse had made it to a world cup and stifle issues ended his career, given to a family who were going to love him and hack him forever.. YEA RIGHT. I picked him up before he was sent to one of those sales as he was not sound enough to ride as much as family wanted and they dumped him, kills me that he had the best of everything (vets, shoes, stables, blankets, rider) and poof you're worthless BYE BYE :-(

[Tazer]

I wrote the people, he'll get a home if he still needs one.

[findeight]

May be much ado about nothing here...that is just seller/dealer stating something somebody told them and admitting they have no details at all.

He is in rough shape but seen worse. Alot worse.

However. Lots of horses go to the Olympics and other WC level competitions in lots of disciplines representing lots of countries and many individuals unsuppported by a national team. It's possible...if it is the Australian TB perhaps he was an Eventer or something. Some teams used to sell their horses in the country of the competition back when because it was too expensive to return ship and they used the money to pay for the trip.

So, there are more out there then you think that have been at the top level, particularly if they were not the winners and got sold several times.

[Filly85']

To me, the ending up in 4H is not an issue (our 4H horses growing up were our A show horses too). The horrible condition of this guy is. He's pretty dreadfully underweight and looks older than 18 to me.

Same here. About half the hunters that show I used to show against in the 4-H were A hunters.

Anyway, this boy looks to be in bad shape to be only 18.:(

[theoldgreymare]

There is no way a retired Olympic jumper would be for sale for $500.


Sure there is. GP horse can no longer do the job, gets sold and steps down to a Jr or A/O. After years of stress, horse develops soundness issues and can no longer compete at that level and moves down to the children's jumpers for a while. Horse can no longer compete and stay sound so what does the owner who can't afford a decent retirement for the horse do? They sell it to to someone who will use it in a lesson program. Lesson barn uses up what the horse has left up and dumps it. It happens. I hope this guy has a happy ending.

[Pokey]

Yes, it does happen.

When I was 16, I rode a horse that had gone 'round the Seoul Olympics. He was on the showjumping team for another country, and got around with 16 faults.

I rode him, at Wellington, in the schooling jumpers, when he was 16 or 17 years old. I remember walking through the schooling area, with people shaking their heads and saying in a stage whisper - "that horse doesn't deserve that".

I was stupid, and had my head in the sand, so I just didn't get it.

I think there are few good horsemen left at the upper levels - ones who see and believe in the partnership with the horses that got them where they are, and commit to taking care of them for their lifetime. So often now it seems - that it's nothing more than a commodity to earn keep. It's just business.

Us amateur soft hearted folk just don't understand it. I know I don't.

[Party Rose]

Does anyone have their COTH Olympic Preview issues handy? Mine are in a box in storage and it would take a lot to grab them. My body is also very broken today.

I think that the face markings would make it so easy to identify / match.

Someone who might know is Laurie Pitt. She's an awesome knowledge bank!

[copper1]

Can't always blame the riders and trainers of these horses since often times the horse belongs to a syndicate and if it is successful they may want to sell and make money and rider/trainer doesn't have the $$$ so loses the horse where it may move on up or go down the drain! sadly in this game, too many people treat their horses like a car, when it no longer works, get rid of it and buy another.

[silver2]

He might have come through a college program. A lot of people donate nice horses not realizing that the colleges will auction them if they don't work out.

And, imho, there is nothing wrong with an Olympic horse ending up as a kids horse. As long as they are taken care of they don't care if they're being ridden by a kid.

[findeight]

I rode him, at Wellington, in the schooling jumpers, when he was 16 or 17 years old. I remember walking through the schooling area, with people shaking their heads and saying in a stage whisper - "that horse doesn't deserve that".


OT but...since they did not offer to by that horse and retire him, they really have no right to say anything IF that horse is sound and happy to keep working at the lower level.

Don't feel guilty for using any horse that wants to work as long as they are happy and sound.

A friend leased one such horse, a former World Cup finalist for one of the smaller European countries who got around with alot less then 16 faults and more then once-would have gone to the Olympics if that particular team was not so deep in talent year afer year after year. Maybe 18 still doing the Ch/Ad Jumpers. Fat and happy...they had tried retirement and he hated it.

Maybe 200 to 300 horses go to the games, no reason why they cannot continue to work at whatever level they are sound and happy at as long as they stay sound and happy.

[Anselcat]

[QUOTE=beeblebrox;3790892]Rude, There are some very nice horses in the special olympic line up. /QUOTE]

Ditto on the rude. One of my pet peeves -- people who think saying "Special Olympics" is some kind of witty put-down.

[OnyxThePony]

"Olympic" or no, this guy is just breaking my heart. He's just CALLING to me through that photo. Ohhhh please spomeone tell me he's going to a super home. *sniff*

My thoughts- if a horse so much as goes over a pole in western tack aroudn here, he's often advertised as "a top hunter prospect". If he did do a local club show over fences (say, two jerry rigged at 2') then word gets around that he's a really good jumper, won a ton of stuff... basically some pretty ignorant exxageration.

We also had an ex-olympic horse in the barn. He was sent out to retire. Couldn't be a kid's moutn as he was pretty full of himself at times. He did some local shows and trails but mostly just hung around the back 40. Bless all those beautiful old guys.

[2016 RoyalCrown KTug]

[QUOTE=cloudyandcallie;3790629]It could be true, after all, a Kentucky Derby winner went to slaughter and was eaten in Japan.:eek:

QUOTE]


WHAT??? Which horse was this? It always breaks my heart, but especially when they are so talanted and special.

I emailed the sellers b/c I am interested in giving this guy a loving home forever. I had an Australian Tb gelding that was short listed for Athens. I lost him on course and Dundee is the same age as Tug and everything.

Whoever emailed them... How long did it take for them to get back to you??

Gillian

and BTW where is Troy, PA??

[findeight]

Ferdinand...maybe, what...20 years ago? Won two legs on the TC IIRC.

Sold to Japan as a stud, sort of vanished after disappointing offspring. No proof but believed he was slaughtered.

Nobody's fault over here either, how would they know? Different sensibilities in different cultures.

Ummm...the whole thing on that ad is a little shaky with the "listing for friend" deal and with no papers, how the heck can they claim to know how old it is? Or what it is? They don't even know it's real name.

And he does look alot older then an average, active 18 year old.

[baleofhay]

Why doesn't someone email and ask if he has a tattoo?

[zahena]

No way! Ferdinand? I loved that horse! I remember that time when they sold tons of really nice American horses to the Japanese for their breeding plan. I believe Sunday Silence and Easy Goer both went to Japan, did they not? Hopefully they didn't wind up at the knackers too.

Yes, this horse screams for a good home. He does look in poor shape but thankfully it appears that there are some people wanting to give him a loving home. I would, if I had some land to put him on!

[Applesauce]

I wrote the people, he'll get a home if he still needs one.

Does this mean you are going to go get him? Ohhhh I hope so. What a great ending for this kind eyed gentleman. Please keep us posted.

I think it would be fantastic if we could figure out who he is.

[nlk]

I wrote the people, he'll get a home if he still needs one.

You're my hero:) If I was closer I would have brought him home already. I hate seeing horses that are treated so badly, and going by the post from the other person who got an Oldenburg out of there I would likely to serious bodily harm to the seller!

I don't care what he did, no horse deserves to live like that, and he may only need some "groceries" now but in another month or two.... I personally have seen horses come in near starving and/or from the slaughter pen to become very nice school and show horses and ponies.

Good luck let us know what happens.

[nlk]

[QUOTE=cloudyandcallie;3790629]It could be true, after all, a Kentucky Derby winner went to slaughter and was eaten in Japan.:eek:

QUOTE]


WHAT??? Which horse was this? It always breaks my heart, but especially when they are so talanted and special.

I emailed the sellers b/c I am interested in giving this guy a loving home forever. I had an Australian Tb gelding that was short listed for Athens. I lost him on course and Dundee is the same age as Tug and everything.

Whoever emailed them... How long did it take for them to get back to you??

Gillian

and BTW where is Troy, PA??

They e-mailed me back by the next day. Talk to Tazer to they seem to live close and were talking about contacting the owner

[EquineLVR]

He looks terribly sad to me.. he needs a home no matter what he has or has not done.

TAZER: Please go get him and keep us posted.

[jmjhp]

Does anyone know a girl named Altaire? Was is the Kansas area, but was from Canada. She had a horse that was long listed for the Canadian team and that horse looks similar to me. I could be totally wrong, but she has been in some hard times.

[SBT]

This is true. I knew of this story from a collegue. I believe the horse was a stallion. I think the BNT should have been gelded. The BNT didn't want anything to do with the horse and he could probably afford a good retirement. Unfortunately, some people believe that a horse only has "value" when it's performing and not when it's old. I wonder how they treat geriatric parents.


You are 100% correct on all counts. I saw what became of that horse and it sickens me to this day. What makes it even worse is that I actually came face to face with the POS BNT and bit my tongue instead of telling him exactly what I thought of him. :no:

[2016 RoyalCrown KTug]

So . . they emailed me back. :)

Who is thinking about him?? Because I can try to persuade my dad, but we are already over flowing with the 26 we have currently.

Let me know because this guy really deserves a loving home for life, whether he is an Olympian or not. Plus he's Australian! ;)

[Tazer]

I just heard back, he is still in need of a home, I'm trying to work out a trip now. I need another horse like I need a hole in my head... but he sure looks like he needs "out".

[CrzyCorgi]

Does anyone know a girl named Altaire? Was is the Kansas area, but was from Canada. She had a horse that was long listed for the Canadian team and that horse looks similar to me. I could be totally wrong, but she has been in some hard times.

There is Beth Underhill from Canada who rode a bay horse named Altair???

One of my favs!!! I actually got to met them at a show in Aiken! She was not showing Altair there, they were on their way to FL and she was just riding him around the grounds.

Is Beth Underhill having hard times? Is this the same one you were thinking of JMJHP?

ETA: I sure hope this guy finds a good home!! He looks like a real sweety! Also looks like w/ some TLC he sure would be handsome!

[fair judy]

this absolutely DOES happen. i had a mare who belonged to a world cup polo team owner in my barn. before this cretin became such a phenom in the polo ranks by buying himself back to back to back championships, this little mare saved his fat axx non-riding butt from certain death by staying on her feet when this bozo made a really boneheaded move.

after breaking her coffin bone and soldiering on, this mare made a remarkable recovery. she was our barn pet, wandering in and out of the aisles when she felt like it, asking for carrots, and head rubs. for $150 dollars a month "diamond" lived a happy life, including regular vet care, and monthly trims. everyone loved on her, and she was a dear old gal.

after two years, this restaurant magnate had his lackey manager contact me and tell me that their budget "just couldn't support " maintaining diamond any longer. this axxhat had the nerve to suggest that i just put her down and send them the bill.

[War Admiral]

God, y'all, I just looked at his pic again and wanted to cry. :cry:

I really HOPE one of y'all can take him in. I've already got the one rescue I can afford, and he's going to be arriving in bad shape, so I *cannot* do two. :(

Just a thought as to I.D.... You know that famous team of show jumping brothers who donated a LOT of horses to a certain much-discussed NON-501(c)(3) over the years.... Could this be one of theirs???

[jmjhp]

There is Beth Underhill from Canada who rode a bay horse named Altair???

One of my favs!!! I actually got to met them at a show in Aiken! She was not showing Altair there, they were on their way to FL and she was just riding him around the grounds.

Is Beth Underhill having hard times? Is this the same one you were thinking of JMJHP?

ETA: I sure hope this guy finds a good home!! He looks like a real sweety! Also looks like w/ some TLC he sure would be handsome!

No not Beth, the ladies name was Altaire and I don't remember the horses name. A very sweet horse as I remember.

[seeuatx]

On Ferdinand... somewhere I read that he was tracked to the slaughter house after being sent to a riding school after he proved unsuccessful as a stud. I seem to remember reading that his original breeders were trying to get him back to give him a proper retirement when they learned the truth :no:. Now if only I could find the article that I read on that... (ETA: http://news.bloodhorse.com/article/17051.htm). Also, Exceller (winner of the 1978 Gold Cup) suffered the same fate in Sweden.

On this horse... since he is Australian. It used to be that some foreign teams had to sell their horses after the Olympics because flying them back was not an option (US team picked up some nice horses that way in the past). It's not been as common since the 80s, but it could still happen, and it could be this horse was from a lesser known country. Whoever he is, I hope he ends up with a soft place to land.

[andylover]

oddly i was thinking about this topic a couple of days ago.. spruce meadows has been putting on all these winter time shows on t.v. and they mention horses that just arent seen anymore in the arenas. these same horses have taken some of these riders to the top.. and i have wondered with their short careers as jumpers, what do the top riding people do with all their horses when they can no longer compete.. does any know.. ?

also i believe it is true about ferdinand.. i believe i read an article about the US owners who sold him had contacted the owners in Japan asking for him back.. however, he had been sent to slaughter already because he was not a successful stud.

[CallMeGrace]

Here's a little more about Ferdinand, and, hopefully, something positive:
http://www.oldfriendsequine.org/

[houndsplease]

any update on this guy ? Ex - olympic horse or not he needs a new place and a blanket (or 2 ) and food and and and ....

too sad :(

[theoldgreymare]

Why doesn't someone email and ask if he has a tattoo?

Registered Aussie TB's have freeze brands on both shoulders and not tattoos. I don't see a brand on this guy but they are sometimes hard to read with the winter wooly coats.

[turningpointequine]

If I remember correctly I was told when this guy was for sale by the previous owner that he did have a "funny brand".

[CrzyCorgi]

Any news yet Tazer??

[IfWishesWereHorses]

If anyone can verify his brand, I can possibly identify him through racing registrations.

[2016 RoyalCrown KTug]

If Tazer does not buy Dundee then my dad and I absolutely will! He deserves a nice home! :yes:

[Equibrit]

Australian Thoroughbreds are microchipped.

"Identification – the most rigorous and practical means of identifying thoroughbreds in the world, all Australian foals are DNA typed, microchipped and branded and records are maintained by the Australian Stud Book.
Online technology – the Australian Stud Book website is the most advanced online facility of its kind, providing full breeding history of every thoroughbred since 1972, information of historical significance and the facility for breeders to lodge mare and stallion returns online. The website received an upgrade in 2004 and allows breeders to access up-to-date and pertinent information regularly."

[GettingBack]

They are now, but I believe that started in '03, and probably would not have been in effect if the horse were truly foaled in 1990 or so.

For a minute he looked just like Eros to me, but then I saw his two hind socks, which I do not believe Eros had. Of course, they say he's a jumper, but that could also mean 3-day horse (many people do not know the difference).

[Addison]

Tazer: I live in PA and can ship him for you if you can give him a home. Please let me know.

[Party Rose]

And gotta' say you all are GREAT!!! :yes:

I hope that Dundee intuitively knows that someone is coming to his rescue and his retirement will be filled with all the good things life has to offer.

Way to go COTH'ers and I thanks you for your large hearts!!!!!

[BAC]

Here's a little more about Ferdinand, and, hopefully, something positive:
http://www.oldfriendsequine.org/

Old Friends is a truly wonderful and unique organization, its formation was in response to Ferdinand's slaughter. You can sign up for their electronic newsletters and they have great gifts available for sale, proceeds help them continue their work in saving TBs and bringing them home to live out their remaining years in comfort. Please check out their website. :yes:

[farmgirl88]

God, y'all, I just looked at his pic again and wanted to cry. :cry:

I really HOPE one of y'all can take him in. I've already got the one rescue I can afford, and he's going to be arriving in bad shape, so I *cannot* do two. :(

Just a thought as to I.D.... You know that famous team of show jumping brothers who donated a LOT of horses to a certain much-discussed NON-501(c)(3) over the years.... Could this be one of theirs???

Whats the story here? PM me if youd like

[Blacktree]

This is so sad - I sure hope a COTHer is able to come to his rescue, olympics or not.

I don't get this dump 'em when they can't do things anymore mentality. My older OTTB only took me to intermediate (eventing), not WC level or anything, and I can't imagine not providing him w/ a comfy retirement after all he's done for me. He is totally spoiled and deserves it.

[msrobin]

I searched photos online of Australian jumpers but, none look like him.
This is terrible poor boy.

[2016 RoyalCrown KTug]

Whats the story here? PM me if youd like

Ditto

[gloryeyes]

For a minute he looked just like Eros to me, but then I saw his two hind socks, which I do not believe Eros had.

Correct - no socks on Eros. He also has the shoulder freeze marks, and a much more distinct "heart" on his forehead. He is enjoying retirement with Anne and Hoffy, where I'm sure he will live out his days. :D

[mortebella]

I am so glad to hear it sounding like someone from the board will likely take him. The sight of his spine poking out like that, and still with the kind, hopeful eye he has, is enough to rip your heart out. :sadsmile:

[lauriep]

They are now, but I believe that started in '03, and probably would not have been in effect if the horse were truly foaled in 1990 or so.

For a minute he looked just like Eros to me, but then I saw his two hind socks, which I do not believe Eros had. Of course, they say he's a jumper, but that could also mean 3-day horse (many people do not know the difference).

I can assure you, it is NOT Eros! Doesn't look like him (Eros has a big star), but I just talked to Anne this week, and Eros is currently trail riding in Southern Pines, enjoying his retirement!

[lcw579]

This horse is in a different location than the first one. What exactly is Outlaw Acres? Is it a rescue network?

[TheBrightSide06]

Ha! No way that is an Olympic Jumper..

[GettingBack]

Well I know - I said "for a minute!" LOL! Geesh! :) I wouldn't expect it to be Eros, knowing Anne, but it was one of those "made me look closer" kind of deals.

I am also in PA and can go look at him or help somehow.

[seeuatx]

God, y'all, I just looked at his pic again and wanted to cry. :cry:

I really HOPE one of y'all can take him in. I've already got the one rescue I can afford, and he's going to be arriving in bad shape, so I *cannot* do two. :(

Just a thought as to I.D.... You know that famous team of show jumping brothers who donated a LOT of horses to a certain much-discussed NON-501(c)(3) over the years.... Could this be one of theirs???

Went to visit the website of COTH's favorite non 501 (c)(3) "rescue", and apparently there is another famous family of showjumpers that has recently sent them a horse with a big history. :no:

[Comfortably Numb]

What rescue is that?

[Tazer]

Tazer: I live in PA and can ship him for you if you can give him a home. Please let me know.

That is a kind and very generous offer, one which I may take you up on. I am not familiar with the area he's in, and the weather and roads are a concern. I sent you a PM.

The sellers are trying to rush this, I told them I can come out on the 24th, and that is not soon enough for them.

[CrzyCorgi]

WOW!! :eek: Eros is in Southern Pines?! That's about 2 hours (if that) from me! Boy, would I like to see him! He was one of my favs!

[Addison]

Tazer-I sent you an email.

[Instant Karma]

Yes, it does happen.

When I was 16, I rode a horse that had gone 'round the Seoul Olympics. He was on the showjumping team for another country, and got around with 16 faults.

I rode him, at Wellington, in the schooling jumpers, when he was 16 or 17 years old. I remember walking through the schooling area, with people shaking their heads and saying in a stage whisper - "that horse doesn't deserve that".

I was stupid, and had my head in the sand, so I just didn't get it.

Us amateur soft hearted folk just don't understand it. I know I don't.

I don't get this post. What about being ridden in the schooling jumpers at Wellington did the horse not deserve? If he was being well maintained, and well ridden, how is that detrimental to the horse? Regardless of whether or not he jumped around in the Olympics. There are a lot of horses that were GP jumpers and more that now earn their keep in the lower jumpers or the medals. As long as they are treated right and are happy, why not keep them working?

One horse that comes to mind is The General. He is upwards of 20 now, and did the GP jumpers with Michael Matz (possibly the Olympics too, I am not 100%). Anyway, after a successful career in that, he is now doing the Big Eq, qualifying and being very competitive. He is happy and healthy and looks to LOVE his job. No one grumbles about him, I'm sure! If all horses could look so terrific!

I can't think of many people who would grumble "that horse doesn't deserve that" unless there was some blatant wrong doing going on, like poor riding, unsoundess or mistreatment.

[Instant Karma]

Oh hey Addison, good on you:D You're awesome!

Hope this guy gets a good home!

[DieBlaueReiterin]

There is no way a retired Olympic jumper would be for sale for $500.

nah that's not true. a couple months ago i bought a former GP jumper who ribboned at the devon GP for not much more than that. just gotta be in the right place at the right time.

[gloryeyes]

WOW!! :eek: Eros is in Southern Pines?! That's about 2 hours (if that) from me! Boy, would I like to see him! He was one of my favs!

IIRC, he's spending the winter there while Market Street is in Florida. He looks fantastic, and he's as clever as hell. :winkgrin:

[Silver Snaffles]

He has a very distinctive blaze / star.

I don't recall any Aussie Olympic chestnut horses with a face like that.

However, back pre late 90's, the Australian Olympics Committie, made people pay to get their horses over seas themselves, and would only contribute some money to get the horse home if they won. It is highly possible this horse was sold on, and then slipped through the cracks.

A lot of people had to heartbreakingly sell their beloved horses, as they couldn't get them back home.

He does look like one of our aussie TB's.

Horses do fall through the cracks.

My mother rescued an old eventer, aged around 19 -20 turns out he was in the 2000 Sydney Paralymics, and had won bronze in the dressage.

I rode him twice, and he was pulling off the most stunning extensions, half passes and other high level movements. I will never forget the feeling of sitting on this sorry looking old horse, and him lighting up when we entered the arena. You could see what he once was.

We also purchased a horse from the other side of the country, sight unseen, of the funniest sale video I have ever seen, featuring the rider and owner, a from a one armed guy, as a trail riding horse.

We got him off the truck and he was fiery and onery.
He was too big in the barrel for my mum, so I got on him and worked him around and around. He was rusty on contact and collection, but he knew some things. He would perk up when he saw a jump, so I popped him over a few, I'll be darned if that horse didn't collect him self up and jump as if that 2 foot cross rail wasn't a 4'6 foot.

I ended up jumping him up the heights that day, to a smidgeon under 5 foot before I got too chicken to let him go any higher.

I had never jumped over 3'6 before, and was a pretty nervious jumper. I just gave him the reins, let him pick the spots and he would collect himself up, judge the distance, jump, land and he would be looking for the next fence.

I put up adds all over, in magazines for a year before I got a hit. Turns out old onery Tucker had been a 3 *** eventer, and had been jumping A grade around Australia with a girl in her 20's, and she got married and he had to be sold, and because he could be a pain in the ass sometimes, kept going down the levels until he was brought from a trail riding school by a one armed guy who rode him in a western saddle.

Good horses can fall through the cracks, :cry: but it could also as someone else suggested, a high level jumper, not olympic horse.

[Alterrain]

One horse that comes to mind is The General. He is upwards of 20 now, and did the GP jumpers with Michael Matz (possibly the Olympics too, I am not 100%). Anyway, after a successful career in that, he is now doing the Big Eq, qualifying and being very competitive. He is happy and healthy and looks to LOVE his job. No one grumbles about him, I'm sure! If all horses could look so terrific!



I don't think that's the same horse.

[caffeinated]

Why doesn't someone email and ask if he has a tattoo?

As an australian TB, he wouldn't have a tattoo, but he would have shoulder brands. I did write about that, and they said his winter hair is too thick to get a good read on them. :)

[lolalola]

I didn't read through the entire thread, but I know of Nancy and Jo because I volunteered with a dog/cat rescue they worked with when living in NJ. They are very good-hearted, but new to horses. They just moved to their PA farm last year. They probably are just repeating whatever the horse's former owner told them. I doubt this horse ever got any closer to the Olympics than a TV set on in the barn, but they are now doing horse rescue and learning the ropes.

[Instant Karma]

I don't think that's the same horse.

I'm preeeeeeetty sure it is:)

[nlk]

He has a very distinctive blaze / star.

I don't recall any Aussie Olympic chestnut horses with a face like that.

However, back pre late 90's, the Australian Olympics Committie, made people pay to get their horses over seas themselves, and would only contribute some money to get the horse home if they won. It is highly possible this horse was sold on, and then slipped through the cracks.

A lot of people had to heartbreakingly sell their beloved horses, as they couldn't get them back home.

He does look like one of our aussie TB's.

Horses do fall through the cracks.



several people have said things like this but I don't think it specifically said he was on the Australian Olympic team just that he was an Olympic horse and an Australian TB. Just thought I'd throw that out there. We could have a dutch warmblood on our team but we are not from the Netherlands...

[T.G.I.F.]

Does anyone know a girl named Altaire? Was is the Kansas area, but was from Canada. She had a horse that was long listed for the Canadian team and that horse looks similar to me. I could be totally wrong, but she has been in some hard times.

Dredging up memories here but I think a person I used to know bought him. Had him a couple of years then was put down or euthanized. It was in Horse Sport.

[Pokey]

I don't get this post. What about being ridden in the schooling jumpers at Wellington did the horse not deserve? If he was being well maintained, and well ridden, how is that detrimental to the horse? Regardless of whether or not he jumped around in the Olympics. There are a lot of horses that were GP jumpers and more that now earn their keep in the lower jumpers or the medals. As long as they are treated right and are happy, why not keep them working?

One horse that comes to mind is The General. He is upwards of 20 now, and did the GP jumpers with Michael Matz (possibly the Olympics too, I am not 100%). Anyway, after a successful career in that, he is now doing the Big Eq, qualifying and being very competitive. He is happy and healthy and looks to LOVE his job. No one grumbles about him, I'm sure! If all horses could look so terrific!

I can't think of many people who would grumble "that horse doesn't deserve that" unless there was some blatant wrong doing going on, like poor riding, unsoundess or mistreatment.


Well, I must admit - I wasn't a horrifying rider, but I wasn't a peach either. I'm not sure why they commented - I only know I felt bad when they said it and figured it must have been something about my riding him. He was in good health and weight - he had the body of a tank (but he did bow a tendon later in the circuit).

I'd ridden the horse in some medal classes as well - and he was such a blast to ride. I'd been quite the chicken hearted rider when it came to big jumps (which to me then, was everything), and riding that horse...I thought I could jump a house on him.

So I agree obviously, then when the old pro's can't do what they were known for, they still have a good life teaching the rest of us to ride.

I do hope someone here can take in this horse (whoever he may be). I find it deeply saddening that horses are so easily discarded and left in questionable circumstances. If I had the means, I think I would try and get him. I don't - so if a drop in the bucket towards bail money helps him to get to where he needs to be, send me a PM.

[War Admiral]

if a drop in the bucket towards bail money helps him to get to where he needs to be, send me a PM.

Seconded! :yes:

[msrobin]

I'm preeeeeeetty sure it is:)

I cannot find a photo of The General with or without Michael Matz, do you have one? I cannot remember what he looked like.

[spoiledsweet]

So I agree obviously, then when the old pro's can't do what they were known for, they still have a good life teaching the rest of us to ride.

I think this is particularly true of successful show horses who are used to a great deal of attention and adulation. They still enjoy being part of the action and having their few minutes in the spotlight, even if they are jumping smaller jumps or showing a beginner the ropes in the crossrail division. It's still a horse show to them. :)

[Instant Karma]

I cannot find a photo of The General with or without Michael Matz, do you have one? I cannot remember what he looked like.


I will look, but I can tell you, if we are talking about the same horse, and I am 99.99999% certain that we are, that he is a big, handsome, bay gelding and I can't remember any white.

Actually, I just found a pic, I believe this is him: http://www.vt-summerfestival.com/admin/image_upload/1218070742web_small.jpg

And Pokey, I understand what you mean that we should be loyal to our guys when they have achieved so much for us. My post didn't come off the right way, I didn't mean to insinuate that you were doing anything wrong. Speaking generally, I can't imagine anyone saying "that horse doesn't deserve that" to a former GP jumper that is now performing at a lower level, looking happy and healthy.

[Addison]

This old guy may have a new home soon if everything works out. This is great news as I just read a different thread (in Horse Care) about a horse in much worse shape in CO that someone was trying to help and he just "disappeared".

[Tazer]

I spoke with the sellers, they seemed nice and have been doing things for the chap.

We're trying to get the issue of a negative coggins squared away, so he is clear for shipping. A special trip with a very nice vet (luv ya lady) who told me about Dundee here on this forum (trouble maker, LOL), may be in order so we can make this happen.

I promise to keep you all posted.

[Tif_Ann]

I think this is particularly true of successful show horses who are used to a great deal of attention and adulation. They still enjoy being part of the action and having their few minutes in the spotlight, even if they are jumping smaller jumps or showing a beginner the ropes in the crossrail division. It's still a horse show to them. :)

Absolutely agreed - as I was reading this thread all I can think of is my TB. He's 24 now, and was an ex-eventer. You'll have to forgive me, as I'm not a jumper (learning), but his original trainer told us he was shown SJ the "level below Grand Prix" and as an eventer he was very successful in the Indiana circuit and that "people who've been around a while would remember the big gray with the scar on his right shoulder." He was sold at 8 to a family with a 17 year old girl, to be her college jumper ... but said girl promptly got into paint horses and so he became the 12 year old daughter's Pony Club horse. He did well for her all through school, and was either sold to another family with kids or they retired him to the rescue organization I got him from.

I've had him two years, and he cost me $400. He's brilliant. The FEI level trainer that comes to our barn has nothing but praise for him and says Rocky has "forgotten more about jumping than the trainer knows." And that Rocky could teach a master class about stadium jumping. He's very well respected and loved by the people in our area that recognize his ability and talent - from trainers to other jumpers to one of the vets who competes nationally. Instead of comments about it "not being fair to that horse" we get comments about how his girl is blessed to have the chance to ride a horse of his talent.

He may be 24, and maybe it's not fair for a horse of his talent to be jumping 2' to 2'6" courses in shows ... but Rocky can't retire. Showing and being ridden are all he knows, and how he feels needed. He recently came up lame and x-rays revealed not only ringbone but also a chipped fetlock that was many years old - probably never diagnosed. As the vet said "This horse is such a good horse and loves his job so much he will not complain about pain, he will suck it up, until it's unbearable. Let him tell you what he can do."

When Rocky retires, we will lose him - he gets depressed very quickly if he isn't ridden. This is his last year with his 14 year old girl ... last year jumping in small shows. He will move down AGAIN, unless the ringbone progresses rapidly (at which point we will euthanize rather than make him live a life of pain), and we'll be looking for a 10-11 year old girl who wants to learn to ride and maybe go over some small cross rails with him.

These jumpers - especially high level ones - don't WANT to stop jumping. It's our job to move them down the levels gracefully without them feeling that they are not able to do the job. All they know is their job, and they deserve the pampering that comes with it.

[theoldgreymare]

It's our job to move them down the levels gracefully without them feeling that they are not able to do the job. All they know is their job, and they deserve the pampering that comes with it.

Very well said, Tif_Ann!

Anyway...if whoever gets him needs help with bail money, vetting or shipping, please PM me. I'd be happy to help along with the other's who volunteered. He reminds me very much of a former GP horse I have here who is a NZ TB. "Our" guy is very fortunate to have owners who can retire him to the life he deserves. Nice to see that Dundee will be getting the same!

[Molly99]

I'm preeeeeeetty sure it is:)
I am not 100% sure either way, but can tell you that "The General" eq horse is a 1988 model (21 this year) and Michael's "The General" won a big grand prix in 1994 (which would make this horse 5 at the time). While that is not impossible, it is unlikely. Also, the eq horse in a KWPN and most of Michael's mounts were TB's (Judgement excluded). That is not to say it isn't the same horse, but the age make me question it.

[Coreene]

I'm in for some $$ if you guys need it. Let me know.

[msrobin]

I am not 100% sure either way, but can tell you that "The General" eq horse is a 1988 model (21 this year) and Michael's "The General" won a big grand prix in 1994 (which would make this horse 5 at the time). While that is not impossible, it is unlikely. Also, the eq horse in a KWPN and most of Michael's mounts were TB's (Judgement excluded). That is not to say it isn't the same horse, but the age make me question it.

I thought the same thing unless the horses age is wrong to through people off of his real identity.

[Instant Karma]

I am not 100% sure either way, but can tell you that "The General" eq horse is a 1988 model (21 this year) and Michael's "The General" won a big grand prix in 1994 (which would make this horse 5 at the time). While that is not impossible, it is unlikely. Also, the eq horse in a KWPN and most of Michael's mounts were TB's (Judgement excluded). That is not to say it isn't the same horse, but the age make me question it.

Hmmm... I dunno, that's definately stretching it LOL! I guess I will just have to ask should I ever have another opportunity!

[BAC]

Also, the eq horse in a KWPN and most of Michael's mounts were TB's (Judgement excluded).

Heisman was German bred and MM rode other warmbloods too.

[Addison]

Michael Matz also rode Rolls Royce, a Westphalian stallion, (sire of Rocher) who stood at Iron Spring Farm until he was repatriated to Germany sometime in the 1990s.

[Moderator 1]

A reminder that we don't allow links to/specifics about horses for sale on the BB, regardless of who's listing them. We appreciate the desire to spread the word about horses who could use a leg up, but at this time, that's the policy.

As it looks like the fellow in the OP has found a home with a COTHer, it's a moot point in this situation, so we'll let the thread play out so everyone engaged can get related updates.

We're removed links to other horses from the thread.

We continue to reevaluate our policies on a continual basis to serve the both the needs and desires of the forums, and the Chronicle, and we welcome your input via PM at any time.

Thanks!
Mod 1

[Addison]

Thank you Moderator1, for taking the time to evaluate this "sale ad" and for recognizing the intent of the post.

[diKecnadnuS]

It could be totally possible. I don't know much about dressage at all, but a prix saint george (I'm sure I butchered that spelling) horse was put on turn out board at a rinky dink farm, the owner stopped showing up, stopped paying bills, and changed their address and phone numbers--essentially just ditching the horse. The horse hated being turned out, and luckily the barn manager there had a kind enough heart to pay for joint supplements and stall board for the horse. If it hadn't been for the barn manager shelling out her own money for this sweet old boy then the owner of the farm would've acquired ownership (for the unpaid bills) and sent the horse to auction. So yes, it could happen.

This case does seem a bit sketchy, however.

[War Admiral]

Thank you Moderator1, for taking the time to evaluate this "sale ad" and for recognizing the intent of the post.

Seconded!!!

[Tazer]

That's his new name! (meaning, top redneck in Australian, or so the internet says...)

Today the vet and I took a long road trip to the boondocks of PA to see him. What we found was a smaller (16H) and older (mid 20s) gelding, that had personality and pizzazz. This boy has been somewhere and he's done something in his life... and he KNOWS he's special. He did have freezebrands on his shoulders, however the winter coats made it difficult to interpret.

Coggins, bloodwork and some shots were done, and we left him with a toasty blue blanket. He has a new mom (me) and once the coggins results are in, we can finalize transportation (thank you Addison).

Thank you everyone for helping or following this thread, and thank you to the moderator for leaving it up.

It's been an adventure, and it's only the beginning :)

[War Admiral]

Yay yay YAY!!!! :D

Hope you'll post some pics. I truly fell in loff with that Old Guy. I'm SO glad to hear he has a home.

What's his barn name going to be? Dux??

[msrobin]

That is wonderful!! I cannot wait to find out who he really is. Your very lucky to have him.

Thanks for saving this boy I cannot wait to see more pics!

[fair judy]

WONDERFUL NEWS.:)

[EquineLVR]

WOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! That is the BEST news!! Keep us posted! YAY for you and YD!

[lonewolf]

Yay for you for doing a nice thing for a horse who deserves better than he's gotten.

Even though he may not be an Olympic horse, I'm looking forward to finding out his real identity once he sheds out.

Can't wait to see more pictures of him once he makes it home.

[Seven-up]

Not to sidetrack this thread, but I hadn't seen that anyone was offended by my joke before now.

My comment had absolutely nothing at all to do with the "special" part of the Special Olympics. Nor did it have anything to do with the quality of horses that compete there. I grew up riding in a barn that was also a therapy center. I was actively involved in the program. We were proud to house a horse and rider combo who competed at the Special Olympics more than once. I had the opportunity to ride the horse, and he was one of the nicest horses I've been on, to this day. FWIW, if I saw a horse that was advertised as a S.O. horse, I'd be very interested. I know that to find a horse who has the combined temperment and ability to compete on that level is indeed a gold mine.

The comment I made was in reference to how someone can have selective hearing, and apply it to aid in making a sale, either because they don't know any better or just want to get one over on an unsuspecting buyer. There was no other intent, especially not a rude connotation like it was implied by others. I apologize to anyone whom my joke offended.


Back to the real discussion, I'm so happy to hear this guy has found a new home, whoever he may be.

[2016 RoyalCrown KTug]

Tazer,

I am so happy you were able to get Dundee (if that is even still his name :cool:) I know he will live a happy and safe life with you!

I was thinking . . you may or may not believe in this. . but maybe if Dundee were to talk to a phsychic, he would tell you what he did throughout his career. :winkgrin:

Again, so happy for you and Dundee!

Gillian

[LittleGray]

That's his new name! (meaning, top redneck in Australian, or so the internet says...)

Today the vet and I took a long road trip to the boondocks of PA to see him. What we found was a smaller (16H) and older (mid 20s) gelding, that had personality and pizzazz. This boy has been somewhere and he's done something in his life... and he KNOWS he's special. He did have freezebrands on his shoulders, however the winter coats made it difficult to interpret.

Coggins, bloodwork and some shots were done, and we left him with a toasty blue blanket. He has a new mom (me) and once the coggins results are in, we can finalize transportation (thank you Addison).

Thank you everyone for helping or following this thread, and thank you to the moderator for leaving it up.

It's been an adventure, and it's only the beginning :)

Oh well this just made my day! I've been keeping my eye on this tread and it warms my heart to hear he got a home! How lucky he is!!

[Instant Karma]

Yayyyyyyy:D

[OnyxThePony]

Oh YAY Tazer! I"m sure he really is something special, and you are too :hugs:

Just a little thought.. not meant to offend.. but.. could you maybe rethink his name some more? It's sort of like calling him Trailer Park Trash... or Big Loser... or Wife Beater... it's not a "nice" name, not even funny. Maybe some ozzies can back me up here? Just a little thought I had.

[IfWishesWereHorses]

Um...yep, thats quite a derrogatory name...really really not cool... ;-) Might pay to change it maybe!

If you clip off the area where he is branded you should be able to read it clearly. When you can, PM me and I can see what I can find out about his history via his brands ;-)

[pwynnnorman]

Wow, this has been such a rollercoaster thread to read. Tazer, and everyone who cared for this horse's circumstance: you folks have brought tears to my eyes this morning. So awesome to know there is still a lot of good intentions and good people out there.

[Addison]

Tazer can always use Duk/Duck as his barn name. "Ducks" is quite a term of endearment in colloquial England. Reminds me of my childhood and the relatives I have still have there.

Wish us luck for good weather tomorrow as that is when we hope to ship him!

[Tazer]

Sorry if the name does not please anyone, but I've known some pretty creative and smart people who claim to be a "redneck". Dux is because he thinks he's top man, literally. If he can be identified, then his true name will be considered, I would not deny him that.

He was quite happy yesterday, eating the apple I offered him when I asked him if he minded the name and if he wanted to come home with me.

And yes, his barn name will be "Dux".

What I learned yesterday, is that he was in a lesson program and then sold to a dealer. He was then traded to the gal we just purchased him from. I am hoping to maybe back track a bit, and learn more about him.

[Quinn]

Tazer, thank you for making my day. AND for making the rest of Dux's life wonderful.

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

[hipy]

WAHOOOOOOOO this gave me goosebumps this morning! KUDDOS and I can't WAIT for his story to unfold.

[BeastieSlave]

Oh YAY!! I'm doing the happy dance for Dux and Tazer :D
I've been following this thread and just hoping for this happy ending. I can't wait to hear more and see pictures when Dux is in his new home.

[theoldgreymare]

"Dux" is one lucky boy! Can't wait to see his progress and, hopefully, find out his true identity! Olympian or not, I bet he's been there/done that and has some good stories behind him. Good luck with him Tazer and keep us posted!

[Tutt]

Yay!
An aside on "Red Neck."
Though it's gathered a negative conotation, it's actually a mark of proud resistance.
I'm writing a screenplay about the 1921 Battle of Blair Mountain, which is where the term comes from.
Thousands of miners seeking to unionize wore red bandanas to distinguish them from soldiers and coal company thugs. Miners were trying to march 85 miles to support striking miners. However, they were stopped by federal troops in the biggest inurrection we've never heard of.
You can see the red bandana on the History Channel's "Hillbilly-the Real Story" narrated by Billy Ray Cyrus.
A miner friend's grandfather father has "redneck" on his tombstone because he was in the battle.

[vxf111]

Tazer, check your PM please.

[JanM]

Seven-up---I thought the same thing in that they might have meant something besides the Olympics for the horse's background. I thought maybe Special Olympics (which would mean a nice totally bombproof horse I assume), Young Riders, Paralympics or even World Cup of some kind, or not necessarily Show Jumping. I just glad whatever his background that he found a wonderful new home and will be happy the rest of his days.

[Seven-up]

Seven-up---I thought the same thing in that they might have meant something besides the Olympics for the horse's background. I thought maybe Special Olympics (which would mean a nice totally bombproof horse I assume), Young Riders, Paralympics or even World Cup of some kind, or not necessarily Show Jumping. I just glad whatever his background that he found a wonderful new home and will be happy the rest of his days.

Thanks for understanding I wasn't making a cruel dig at anyone. :D

[dcm]

Super news! This has been the first thread I look for lately. Thanks to all those involved in finding this handsome boy a new home. Please keep us updated!

[MLP]

There was a very famous upper level eventer that someone found rotting away in a field and saved on the eventing bb.

There was also this horse, who stopped at a fence then found himself at New Holland
http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=54902&highlight=rescue


That's what I was going to say.... Many horses that have had amazing careers end up in horrible situations late in life. I don't know anything about the horse or whether or not he actually DID do the Olympics but to say that an Olympic horse would NEVER be sold for $500 (not the person I quoted said this) is being quite naive, especially in these hard times. The horse looks terrible in the picture. Poor thing!

[Arcadien]

That is so awesome, Tazer! Thanks so much for doing that. Hearing things like this restores my faith in humanity :)

Can't wait to hear more about Dux's turn of good fortune!

Arcadien

[MLP]

Now that I read all the posts I am so glad to hear that this guy found a loving home.... exactly what you both deserve - good luck with him I hope you enjoy his pizzaz ;)

[Tazer]

I just heard back...
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Hi,

I have done some searching through the NSW Branches records and there is a horse registered under the name 'November Rain'

Registered with the NSW Branch:
Gelding
21yrs old
16.1
WEG Horse - Rome 1998 (Team 18th Ind 62nd) Rider Deon Williams.
Retired
Competed in Jumping
Markings: HOOKED STAR NSH;PASTERN FRONT FETLOCK BACK OSH;PASTERN FRONT FETLOCK BACK
Brand near side: NS;BAR/TM/BAR OS;72/7

I hope this information helps!

Kind Regards,
Leanne Kingsbury

Sport Consultant
Equestrian Federation of Australia
National Office
Ph: +61 2 8762 7777
Fax: +61 2 9763 2466
leanne@efanational.com
www.equestrian.org.au

[Tazer]

Horse: NOVEMBER RAIN
Events:
Event Name Date Rider Name Class Level Dressage % Place
SYDNEY ROYAL SHOW 22 Apr 1998 Adena Williams am3 class 787 0 3
SYDNEY ROYAL SHOW 22 Apr 1998 Adena Williams six bars 0 3
cooma 7 Mar 1998 Deon Williams grand prix 0 2
bega 15 Feb 1998 Deon Williams grand prix am3 0 1
CASTLE HILL 9 Jan 1998 Deon Williams AM3 WORLD CUP 0 3
border & dis wodonga 29 Nov 1997 Deon Williams qual 0 2
shepparton nv sjc 23 Nov 1997 Deon Williams qual 0 3
GRIFFITH 10 Nov 1997 Deon Williams am3 0 1
EFA NSW STATE CHAMPS 25 Oct 1997 Deon Williams GRAND PRIX CLASS 17 0 2
SYDNEY ROYAL SHOW 8 Apr 1997 Adena Williams six bar 0 2
bega 14 Feb 1997 Deon Williams am3 0
COBARGO 7 Feb 1997 Deon Williams am3 0 2
dapto 17 Jan 1997 Deon Williams am3 0 2
bega 27 Dec 1996 Deon Williams am3 0
act showjumping club 10 Nov 1996 Deon Williams 1.3 0
griffith 6 Oct 1996 Deon Williams am3 0
wagga wagga 3 Oct 1996 Deon Williams 0 3
wagga wagga 3 Oct 1996 Deon Williams grand prix 0 2
CANBERRA ROYAL 23 Feb 1996 Deon Williams AM3 0
CANBERRA ROYAL 23 Feb 1996 Deon Williams POWER & SPEED 0
bega 16 Feb 1996 Deon Williams 6 bar 0
cobargo 10 Feb 1996 Deon Williams grand prix 0 2
nimmitabel 3 Feb 1996 Deon Williams am3 0
griffith 1 Oct 1995 Deon Williams a & b 0
shoalhaven 1 Oct 1995 Deon Williams AM3 0 1
shoalhaven 1 Oct 1995 Deon Williams mini prix 0 2
CANBERRA ROYAL 24 Feb 1995 Deon Williams MINI PRIX 0
BEGA 18 Feb 1995 Adena Williams GRAND PRIX 0
BEGA 17 Feb 1995 Adena Williams AM3 0
BEGA 17 Feb 1995 Adena Williams TABLE A 0
cobargo 10 Feb 1995 Deon Williams grand prix 0 3
DAPTO 20 Jan 1995 Deon Williams AM3 0
NSWSC - PANTHERS 15 Jan 1995 Deon Williams 0
BEGA 1 Jan 1995 Adena Williams AM3 0
QUEANBEYAN 12 Nov 1994 Deon Williams 0
SHOALHAVEN 4 Nov 1994 Deon Williams grand prix 0 1
COWRA SHOW 30 Sep 1994 Adena Williams D AM3 0
CANOWINDRA 24 Sep 1994 Deon Williams AM3 0
SYDNEY SHOWJUMPING CLUB 28 Aug 1994 Adena Williams 1.10M HEIGHT 0
EUROBODALLA SHOW 29 May 1994 Adena Williams C GRADE AM3 0
ORBOST SHOW 16 Apr 1994 Adena Williams C & D 0
ORBOST SHOW 16 Apr 1994 Adena Williams C & D TABLE AM3 0
ORBOST SHOW 16 Apr 1994 Adena Williams C GRADE 0
ORBOST SHOW 16 Apr 1994 Adena Williams C TABLE AM3 0
GOULBURN 19 Mar 1994 Adena Williams AM3 0 +8
COOMA SHOW 13 Mar 1994 Adena Williams C & D TABLE AM3 0
DALGETY SHOW 6 Mar 1994 Adena Williams 0
CANBERRA ROYAL SHOW 25 Feb 1994 Adena Williams CHAMPS. SWEEPSTAKES 0
BEGA SHOW 19 Feb 1994 Adena Williams POWER & SPEED 0
NIMMITABEL SHOW 5 Feb 1994 Adena Williams 0
NIMMITABEL SHOW 5 Feb 1994 Adena Williams MAIDEN 0
CANBERRA WORLD CUP 29 Jan 1994 Adena Williams 0
GRIFFITH SHOW 3 Oct 1993 Adena Williams 0

[seeuatx]

OH WOW....:eek:

just goes to show that looks can be deceiving, and even the best can fall through the cracks :no:

Good save, Tazer

[dani0303]

There is a special place in heaven for people like you Tazer!!

He's obviously a VERY special horse and is finally getting the retirement he deserves :yes:

[Tazer]

I wonder who bought him in Rome and brought him to the US...

I'll keep you posted as I dig up more info! This is SO exciting :)

[Sugarbrook]

Tazer, i have read thru this entire thread just now. For some reason I cannot get the first picture everyone talks about to come up for me. Would you, or someone else send it to me or just put it in the next post? Thanks. Sandy sugarpony@aol.com
I am so excited for him, and for you!!!

[CoolMeadows]

Yay Tazer! Dux has such a sweet face and I bet he is going to be thrilled to be pampered again! Those old stars never forget how special they are, even when people do. Can't wait to see updates on him!

[SherwoodAcres]

after reading this thread I am quite interested to see what he looks like. The original link doesn't work:( Anyways, congrats and I hope you guys have a lot of fun together!

[3mares]

You should contact Adena Williams - looks like she is still riding in Australia on a horse named Still Cruising.
This is such a great story!

[nlk]

Thank you Tazer! You just made my day.

And to the Mods-sorry I posted the sale ad I was so caught up in the horse I never thought that it was an actual sale ad!oops! But thanks for keeping the thread out so we can all find out about "Dux":)

[Sugarbrook]

Picture link? gotta look before I go off to bed. : )

[Janie]

Tazer, mind if I pass this on to Deon if I can get hold of him?

Do you have a pic? You can pm me. Deon is still competitively jumping.

[Tazer]

The sellers removed the original ad, the sale photo is no longer available on-line.

[Sugarbrook]

Oh great. Now I cant see his face!!! I will wait for your update with pictures. If anyone happens to have the original let me know. Thanks Tazer. now i can go to bed.

[FlashGordon]

Horse: NOVEMBER RAIN
Events:
Event Name Date Rider Name Class Level Dressage % Place
SYDNEY ROYAL SHOW 22 Apr 1998 Adena Williams am3 class 787 0 3
SYDNEY ROYAL SHOW 22 Apr 1998 Adena Williams six bars 0 3
cooma 7 Mar 1998 Deon Williams grand prix 0 2
bega 15 Feb 1998 Deon Williams grand prix am3 0 1
CASTLE HILL 9 Jan 1998 Deon Williams AM3 WORLD CUP 0 3
border & dis wodonga 29 Nov 1997 Deon Williams qual 0 2
shepparton nv sjc 23 Nov 1997 Deon Williams qual 0 3
GRIFFITH 10 Nov 1997 Deon Williams am3 0 1
EFA NSW STATE CHAMPS 25 Oct 1997 Deon Williams GRAND PRIX CLASS 17 0 2
SYDNEY ROYAL SHOW 8 Apr 1997 Adena Williams six bar 0 2
bega 14 Feb 1997 Deon Williams am3 0
COBARGO 7 Feb 1997 Deon Williams am3 0 2
dapto 17 Jan 1997 Deon Williams am3 0 2
bega 27 Dec 1996 Deon Williams am3 0
act showjumping club 10 Nov 1996 Deon Williams 1.3 0
griffith 6 Oct 1996 Deon Williams am3 0
wagga wagga 3 Oct 1996 Deon Williams 0 3
wagga wagga 3 Oct 1996 Deon Williams grand prix 0 2
CANBERRA ROYAL 23 Feb 1996 Deon Williams AM3 0
CANBERRA ROYAL 23 Feb 1996 Deon Williams POWER & SPEED 0
bega 16 Feb 1996 Deon Williams 6 bar 0
cobargo 10 Feb 1996 Deon Williams grand prix 0 2
nimmitabel 3 Feb 1996 Deon Williams am3 0
griffith 1 Oct 1995 Deon Williams a & b 0
shoalhaven 1 Oct 1995 Deon Williams AM3 0 1
shoalhaven 1 Oct 1995 Deon Williams mini prix 0 2
CANBERRA ROYAL 24 Feb 1995 Deon Williams MINI PRIX 0
BEGA 18 Feb 1995 Adena Williams GRAND PRIX 0
BEGA 17 Feb 1995 Adena Williams AM3 0
BEGA 17 Feb 1995 Adena Williams TABLE A 0
cobargo 10 Feb 1995 Deon Williams grand prix 0 3
DAPTO 20 Jan 1995 Deon Williams AM3 0
NSWSC - PANTHERS 15 Jan 1995 Deon Williams 0
BEGA 1 Jan 1995 Adena Williams AM3 0
QUEANBEYAN 12 Nov 1994 Deon Williams 0
SHOALHAVEN 4 Nov 1994 Deon Williams grand prix 0 1
COWRA SHOW 30 Sep 1994 Adena Williams D AM3 0
CANOWINDRA 24 Sep 1994 Deon Williams AM3 0
SYDNEY SHOWJUMPING CLUB 28 Aug 1994 Adena Williams 1.10M HEIGHT 0
EUROBODALLA SHOW 29 May 1994 Adena Williams C GRADE AM3 0
ORBOST SHOW 16 Apr 1994 Adena Williams C & D 0
ORBOST SHOW 16 Apr 1994 Adena Williams C & D TABLE AM3 0
ORBOST SHOW 16 Apr 1994 Adena Williams C GRADE 0
ORBOST SHOW 16 Apr 1994 Adena Williams C TABLE AM3 0
GOULBURN 19 Mar 1994 Adena Williams AM3 0 +8
COOMA SHOW 13 Mar 1994 Adena Williams C & D TABLE AM3 0
DALGETY SHOW 6 Mar 1994 Adena Williams 0
CANBERRA ROYAL SHOW 25 Feb 1994 Adena Williams CHAMPS. SWEEPSTAKES 0
BEGA SHOW 19 Feb 1994 Adena Williams POWER & SPEED 0
NIMMITABEL SHOW 5 Feb 1994 Adena Williams 0
NIMMITABEL SHOW 5 Feb 1994 Adena Williams MAIDEN 0
CANBERRA WORLD CUP 29 Jan 1994 Adena Williams 0
GRIFFITH SHOW 3 Oct 1993 Adena Williams 0

:eek:

Ok the fact that his name is November Rain is fabulous... I have always wanted to name a horse that!!!!!

Tazer I am so glad you nabbed this guy. What a great home he will now have.

It is so cool finding these older horses and figuring out their identity. And what an identity this boy had.....

[Popylinga]

I just found this thread also and have read all of it. I would love to see a photo of November Rain. I tried to find it through the link, but it was deleted. If someone kept the sale photo, maybe you could put it on photobucket and post it. Thanks!

[dcm]

Such a happy ending for this fine fellow. :cool: No wonder he knew he was special. Best of luck to you Tazer and November Rain.

Take pictures! :yes:

[Quinn]

nlk, thank you for bring this lovely boy to the attention of those able to save him.

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

[Snowflake]

I do hope you'll keep his name of November Rain... It's lovely.

[jumpingmaya]

I think I am officially addicted to this thread!!! Congratulations for being able to offer this guy the retirement he deserves... He is truly a diamond in the rough!!! please keep up posted and let us know if their is anything that this guy needs!!! Might just send some much needed treats and supplements your way for this wonderful guy!
Let us know... and once again, congratulations!!! :yes:

[vxf111]

Please let us know when he gets home and is safe. Bless you, he's a lucky horse.

[Angela Freda]

Ok, I was so thrilled to read that a fellow OC'er was going to take this horse that I PM'd Tazer to offer any help I could... turns out she's a friend of mine!
DOH!

Anyway, Dux is certainly a very lucky horse to have passed into her radar [Thank you wonderful Vet!] because he will be so well cared for.
I just talked to her on the phone and this story... it's just amazing and heartwarming. Cliche, but true.

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
I go from smiling to crying to smiling... what a wonderful thing.

[EquineLVR]

Once again I wanted to say THANKYOU TAZER!! This is a wonderful thing you have done for a very special horse.. many years of happiness to both of you!! :)

[tenacity]

How exciting that you got so much info and a show record so fast! So nice to know that this grand old man is going to have the retirement he deserves!

USEF has him recorded:
#4622728, November Rain, foal date 1/1/87, Aussie passpost, recorded owner is top junior Kacey McCann (previous owners listed on horse report page). Competition records have him doing the A/O and Jr Jumpers.

His last recorded show was in May of last year (low jr's at Keswick). Very sad that this boy slipped through the cracks in less than a year.

So sad how quickly a horse can go from the top to the bottom! :no: Still curious about how he went from competing last year to the dealers for $500...

Thank you Tazer for providing a good home for this guy!!! It is so nice to hear of the happy outcome to this story!

[eqgirl89]

This has been a great thread and I have been following it for a while. If you search November Rain on the USEF site you can see his show results starting in 2004. He has a very impressive show record. He was still doing the grand prixs in 2004, 6 years after being at the Olympics!
Congrats Tazer, it seems you got a diamond in the rough. It seems he was showing in the level 6's last year!

[Jealoushe]

So happy for you guys. I would also like to know who turned their back on this horse...

[Angela Freda]

Old Grey Mare, I am looking for info too.
There are several horses with that name and we have no idea if this is even THE November Rain...
We'll know more when Tazer lays eyes on him and can look into it.
He's landed in a wonderful place. I am going to spend a little time being thankful that my wonderful friend and the wonderful Vet care as much as they do.

[vxf111]

Why don't we wait until the horse is safely in Tazer's hands, and then perhaps she'll come back and fill in more details. Please let's not start the blame game when all the facts aren't out. Right now, let's let Tazer focus on getting this guy home safe and sound. I am sure she'll come back and post an update once that happens.

[medhorse]

Why don't we wait until the horse is safely in Tazer's hands, and then perhaps she'll come back and fill in more details. Please let's not start the blame game when all the facts aren't out. Right now, let's let Tazer focus on getting this guy home safe and sound. I am sure she'll come back and post an update once that happens.

I agree. The horse is in transit now and will arrive late afternoon. More to come........:)

[Moderator 2]

Let's keep names out of this thread!

When the horse arrives at Tazar's (THANK YOU!), she can tell us more about the horse's freeze brands, etc, so it can be positively identified.

Meanwhile, let's not name names of people who may or may not have done something wrong. Not allowed unless verified by a guilty verdict in a court case.

Thanks! And we want PHOTOS ASAP! ;)

[Tazer]

BIG TREMENDOUS THANK YOU TO ADDISON, FOR BRINGING DUX HOME. I cannot thank you enough.

Dux arrived around 3:15 this afternoon, and walked off the trailer like a champ. He settled right in and set to letting us know what he did and didn't like. First things first, he tossed the 1st cutting hay out of the stall, and settled down to munch on the 2nd cutting.

We had a small "welcome home party". Ang, Dux thanks you for the cake! He loved all the attention everyone gave him, and hammed it up gladly for the cameras. Ang is so much better at getting photos online so hopefully she'll share soon. I have a few, but, I am technologically challenged when it comes to posting internet photos. It will happen, I just cannot promise when.

The vet thought he looked great after a long trip and we'll be doing a more thorough exam tomorrow. For now, we just want him to relax and be comfy.

For good measure, we're probably going to treat him for ulcers, just to make his transition a bit smoother.

He loves treats and is a gentleman about them. All is well in Dux's horsey world this evening.

Thank you to all, for everything (especially my troublemaking friend who brought Dux and I together).

Good night!

[War Admiral]

You guys ALL just rock!! :yes:

Tazer, I'm gonna PM ya, but give me a shopping list of stuff that he needs, and his sizes. HRH Avery would, I am sure, be MORE than pleased to have some of his stuff go to another grand old champion! :yes:

[huntereq7]

So nice to see that this guy will be loved and given the care he deserves!! This whole story made my night!

[Parrotnutz]

I, also, wanted to say a Big Thank You, Tazer, for bringing this boy home to you to live out his life. You are a true horseman!!!

[summerhorse]

This is such a great thread, thanks so much to Tazer and all the others who helped save this guy.

On another note can someone translate the foreign show results for me? =)

[Janie]

i am typing from my phone and i will type more later but his results are very good at a variety of top aust shows. Like royal shows and world cups.

[Tazer]

I knew a few people inquired, thanks to the in-house teenager, here is a copy of his original "for sale" ad that had been posted.

Edited to show link to yesterdays photo, and the original sale ad, in one album:

http://www1.snapfish.com/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=264449546/a=11885983_11885983/t_=11885983

[LoriW]

This has been a wonderful story to watch unfold. Tazer you are a very kind and generous person and Dux is very lucky to have you.

[dcm]

I knew a few people inquired, thanks to the in-house teenager, here is a copy of his original "for sale" ad that had been posted.

<img src=http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID=264449546/PictureID=6726541379/a=11885983_11885983/t_=11885983>

Edited to say: O.K. that did not work as I expected it to. If anyone knows how to post a photo, I'd love to hear from you!

You can only post images if you are a premium member. You can however, attach a link to your photo. Generally, there will be a "link" address in addition to an "image" address. Copy and paste the address that says direct link or share url. I use photobucket instead of snapfish, so I am not sure if snapfish uses the same language. Your good link will start with "http://"

I can actually take the http portion of your link and remove the ">" to get the first photo, which is of the original ad. COTH has a link assist at the top of the message section, it looks like a globe with a paperclip on it. You click that and paste your link there like this:

http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID=258381147/PictureID=6491438039/a=159060700_159060700/t_=159060700

Now anyone can click on that link and see the photo.

[TrakGeorge]

This is one of the few threads I have actually kept up with. Thank-you Tazer for taking this old fella, he was very lucky to find you!!! Good luck to you both!!

[Arado*TB]

I just found this , what a lucky horse! Thanks for taking him in.

[Addison]

Deon Williams rode him at WEG 1998, Rome and members of his family have been notified about his current situation. Mr. Williams is at a show so hopefully he will respond when he has time. It would be interesting to find out how Dux wound up in the United States.

There has been some discussion about how a horse such as November Rain wound up in such poor condition. Obviously more than a few people are culpable. There are more constructive ways to spend our time rather than trashing BNTs and other people on a puplic forum. We need to spend more time reacting to such situations in a meaningful way. In other words-do something. Donate to your local horse rescue or offer your time to help care for these horses. There is so much to be done-they need as much care as as our own pampered animals.

That's enough from me. I will step off my soap box now.

Tazer- don't thank me- Thank You for giving this horse a good life. I so enjoyed meeting you and your friends yesterday-such a wonderful group of quality people.

[enjoytheride]

How did someone figure out his name is November Rain? I've looked back but I can't figure it out.

[Tazer]

How did someone figure out his name is November Rain? I've looked back but I can't figure it out.

A gal named Veronica IM'd me, to say a prior owner recognized him. The prior owner contacted the person they gave the horse to, and that person looked at his picture and recognized him also. I wound up on the phone quite a bit that day, talking with several people, confirming markings, transfers, etc.

I also called USEF to find out where his last owner was, and all they could tell me was Palmyra PA, which was enough to confirm one connection. Then the Australian registry gave me what they had.

[BeastieSlave]

These kinds of threads are my absolute favorite and one of the reasons I love the COTH BB so much!!! :yes:

[Tazer]

But that is not the same November Rain. I've been googling my heart out and anything that I've found I've posted here. The bulks of the results were for the Guns N Roses song titled November Rain.

[Angela Freda]

Well I have been called Obsessed before, but hey it finally paid off!

Here he is, this is definitely him [confirmed markings] showing in August 2007 at Traders Point Charity (IN) doing the level 6, Jr, and A/O Jumpers


http://www.flashpointphotography.com/TPH_07-Web/Pages/tph-227.html


What an amazing, amazing horse!

[Come Shine]

Well I have been called Obsessed before, but hey it finally paid off!

Here he is, this is definitely him [confirmed markings] showing in August 2007 at Traders Point Charity (IN) doing the level 6, Jr, and A/O Jumpers


http://www.flashpointphotography.com/TPH_07-Web/Pages/tph-227.html


What an amazing, amazing horse!


That's only a year and a half ago. Wow.

[Tazer]

This has been a great thread and I have been following it for a while. If you search November Rain on the USEF site you can see his show results starting in 2004. He has a very impressive show record. He was still doing the grand prixs in 2004, 6 years after being at the Olympics!
Congrats Tazer, it seems you got a diamond in the rough. It seems he was showing in the level 6's last year!

Thanks for the help! What a huge amount of information though. What I would love to know is... the meaning of "bad points".
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USEF Horse Report

Horse Name: NOVEMBER RAIN (4622728)

Breed: AUSTRALIAN TB
Sire Name: COUNTRY DOCTOR
Dam Name: TASHA

KACEY MC CANN
PA

Owner Point States:
State Start Date End Date
PA 12/01/04 11/30/05
PA 12/01/05 11/30/06
PA 12/15/06 11/30/07
PA 12/01/07 11/30/08


Date Range: 12/1/2004 - 1/1/2009
4118 2005 GOLD COAST JUMPER CLASSIC
(Owner at the Competition: CARA CHESKA) Start Date of Comp: 2/2/2005 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: AMATEUR OWNER JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
1027 $2,500 HIGH A/O JMPR,L8 8 17 2 425.00 0.00 0.00 425.00 425.00 CHESKA, CARA
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
TOTALS: 425.00 0.00 0.00 425.00 425.00
Division: MISC JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
1104 MISC JMPR $5,000 (B FOR CLASS 1004),L8 8 57 9 200.00 0.00 0.00 200.00 200.00 CHESKA, DONALD
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
TOTALS: 200.00 0.00 0.00 200.00 200.00
1918 2005 WELLINGTON MASTERS
(Owner at the Competition: KELLY KOZICH) Start Date of Comp: 2/23/2005 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: JUNIOR JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
1056 $10,000 Solary Junior Jumper 7 20 9 0.00 600.00 0.00 600.00 600.00 KOZICH, KELLY
NOT RECORDED HORSE OWNER (GR902.4)
TOTALS: 0.00 600.00 0.00 600.00 600.00
3122 2005 WELLINGTON OPEN
(Owner at the Competition: CARA CHESKA) Start Date of Comp: 3/2/2005 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: AMATEUR OWNER JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
1025 $10,000 High AO Jumper Classic, L8 8 45 6 500.00 0.00 0.00 500.00 500.00 CHESKA, CARA
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
1027 $2,500 Amateur-Owner Jumper-High, L8 8 12 3 325.00 0.00 0.00 325.00 325.00 CHESKA, CARA
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
TOTALS: 825.00 0.00 0.00 825.00 825.00
3594 2005 TAMPA BAY CLASSIC
(Owner at the Competition: CARA CHESKA) Start Date of Comp: 3/23/2005 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: AMATEUR OWNER JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
1027 $2,500-Amateur-Owner Jumper-High, L8 8 12 8 90.00 0.00 0.00 90.00 90.00 CHESKA, CARA
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
1028 $2,500-Amateur-Owner Jumper-High, L8 8 23 7 100.00 0.00 0.00 100.00 100.00 CHESKA, CARA
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
TOTALS: 190.00 0.00 0.00 190.00 190.00
174 2005 TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS
(Owner at the Competition: CARA CHESKA) Start Date of Comp: 3/29/2005 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: AMATEUR OWNER JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
1027 $2500 High AO Jmpr, L 8 8 16 12 85.00 0.00 0.00 85.00 85.00 CHESKA, CARA
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
TOTALS: 85.00 0.00 0.00 85.00 85.00
6662 2005 THE SKIDMORE COLLEGE SARATOGA CLASSIC II
(Owner at the Competition: VIRGINIA EDWARDS) Start Date of Comp: 6/22/2005 State: NY, Zone: 2
Division: MISC. HUNTER (No points earned) Rating: N
Class # Class Description # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Hunter Money Rider Name
157 LEVEL 7 JMPR II 2.2B 7 5 80.00 0.00 80.00 0.00 80.00 EDWARDS, VIRGINIA
159 LEVEL 7 JMPR II 2.2A 14 2 1000.00 0.00 1000.00 0.00 1,000.00 EDWARDS, VIRGINIA
TOTALS: 1,080.00 0.00 1,080.00 0.00 1,080.00
6607 2005 CAVALIER CLASSIC
(Owner at the Competition: VIRGINIA EDWARDS) Start Date of Comp: 7/13/2005 State: VA, Zone: 3
Division: MISC JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
237 Misc. Jumper with Money L6 6 13 8 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 EDWARDS, VIRGINIA
TOTALS: 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
619 2006 KILKENNY/IEH INTERNATIONALE
(Owner at the Competition: KELLY KOZICH) Start Date of Comp: 2/8/2006 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: JUNIOR JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
1064 $1,500 Junior Jumper, L6 6 46 9 80.00 0.00 80.00 0.00 80.00 KOZICH, KELLY
TOTALS: 80.00 0.00 80.00 0.00 80.00
316573 2006 LITTLEWOOD PRESIDENTS DAY EQUIT. & JUMPER
(Owner at the Competition: KELLY KOZICH) Start Date of Comp: 2/18/2006 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: JUNIOR JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
723 Junior/Amateur-Owner Jumper, L5 5 27 2 1000.00 0.00 1000.00 0.00 1,000.00 KOZICH, KELLY
TOTALS: 1,000.00 0.00 1,000.00 0.00 1,000.00
1918 2006 WELLINGTON MASTERS
(Owner at the Competition: KELLY KOZICH) Start Date of Comp: 2/22/2006 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: JUNIOR JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
1056 $10,000 Solary Junior Jumper 7 20 9 600.00 0.00 600.00 0.00 600.00 KOZICH, KELLY
TOTALS: 600.00 0.00 600.00 0.00 600.00
3122 2006 WELLINGTON OPEN
(Owner at the Competition: KELLY KOZICH) Start Date of Comp: 3/1/2006 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: JUNIOR JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
1058 Junior Jumper, L8 8 18 5 150.00 0.00 150.00 0.00 150.00 KOZICH, KELLY
TOTALS: 150.00 0.00 150.00 0.00 150.00
6488 2006 LITTLEWOOD FENCES WELLINGTON SPRING II
(Owner at the Competition: KELLY KOZICH) Start Date of Comp: 3/24/2006 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: JUNIOR JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
723 AO/JR JUMPER STAKE LEVEL 5 5 10 2 1000.00 0.00 1000.00 0.00 1,000.00 KOZICH, KELLY
TOTALS: 1,000.00 0.00 1,000.00 0.00 1,000.00
6542 2006 LITTLEWOOD FENCES WELLINGTON SPRING III
(Owner at the Competition: KELLY KOZICH) Start Date of Comp: 3/31/2006 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: JUNIOR JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
723 AO/JR JUMPER STAKE LEVEL 5 5 11 1 1500.00 0.00 1500.00 0.00 1,500.00 KOZICH, KELLY
TOTALS: 1,500.00 0.00 1,500.00 0.00 1,500.00
1762 2006 LITTLEWOOD FARM SPRING 4
(Owner at the Competition: KELLY KOZICH) Start Date of Comp: 4/7/2006 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: JUNIOR JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
723 LOW AO/JR JUMPER STAKES LEVEL 5 5 14 7 300.00 0.00 300.00 0.00 300.00 KOZICH, KELLY
TOTALS: 300.00 0.00 300.00 0.00 300.00
6662 2006 THE SKIDMORE COLLEGE SARATOGA CLASSIC II
(Owner at the Competition: KELLY KOZICH) Start Date of Comp: 6/21/2006 State: NY, Zone: 2
Division: JUNIOR JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
171 $5000 HIGH JR/A-O JUMPER STAKE II 2.2a 7 18 6 350.00 0.00 0.00 350.00 350.00 KOZICH, KELLY
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
TOTALS: 350.00 0.00 0.00 350.00 350.00
2781 2006 MARYLAND HORSE & PONY
(Owner at the Competition: VIRGINIA EDWARDS) Start Date of Comp: 9/14/2006 State: MD, Zone: 3
Division: JUNIOR JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
171 $250 JUNIOR/AMATEUR OWNER JUMPER, L 4 4 6 5 0.00 25.00 0.00 25.00 25.00 CHOVNICK, SARAH
LESSEE IS NOT REPORTED IN RESULTS (GR818)
TOTALS: 0.00 25.00 0.00 25.00 25.00
322597 2007 CHRISTMAS HORSE SHOW
(Owner at the Competition: VIRGINIA EDWARDS) Start Date of Comp: 12/6/2006 State: TX, Zone: 7
Division: JUNIOR JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
178 JUNIOR/A-O JUMPER TABLE II SEC 2(b) 7 17 8 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 WISZ, ALEXA
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
LESSEE IS NOT REPORTED IN RESULTS (GR818)
179 JUNIOR/A-O JUMPER TABLE II SEC 2(c) 7 11 6 0.00 60.00 0.00 60.00 60.00 WISZ, ALEXA
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
LESSEE IS NOT REPORTED IN RESULTS (GR818)
TOTALS: 0.00 60.00 0.00 60.00 60.00
Division: MISC JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
160 LEVEL 4 JUMPER TABLE II SEC 2(b) 4 10 2 0.00 22.00 0.00 22.00 22.00 WISZ, ALEXA
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
LESSEE IS NOT REPORTED IN RESULTS (GR818)
175 MODIFIED JR/AMATEUR JUMPER LEVEL 5 TBL II SEC 2(b) 5 26 8 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 WISZ, ALEXA
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
LESSEE IS NOT REPORTED IN RESULTS (GR818)
176 MODIFIED JR/AMATEUR JUMPER LEVEL 5 TBL II SEC 2(c) 5 20 8 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 WISZ, ALEXA
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
LESSEE IS NOT REPORTED IN RESULTS (GR818)
TOTALS: 0.00 22.00 0.00 22.00 22.00
5027 2007 PBI INAUGURAL
(Owner at the Competition: SARAH KERINS) Start Date of Comp: 1/24/2007 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: AMATEUR OWNER JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
1035 $10,000 LOW AMATEUR-OWNER JUMPER CLASSICTIME FIRST JUMP-OFF II, 2(b) 6 47 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 KERINS, SARAH
NOT RECORDED HORSE OWNER (GR902.4)
1036 $1,500 LOW AMATEUR-OWNER JUMPER TIME FIRST ROUND II, SEC 1 6 46 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 KERINS, SARAH
NOT RECORDED HORSE OWNER (GR902.4)
1037 $1,500 LOW AMATEUR-OWNER JUMPER TIME FIRST JUMP-OFF, II, 2(b) 6 57 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 KERINS, SARAH
NOT RECORDED HORSE OWNER (GR902.4)
TOTALS: 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
962 2007 WELLINGTON CLASSIC
(Owner at the Competition: SARAH KERINS) Start Date of Comp: 1/31/2007 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: AMATEUR OWNER JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
1035 $10,000 LOW AMATEUR-OWNER JUMPER CLASSICTIME FIRST JUMP-OFF TABLE II, 2(b) 6 62 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 KERINS, SARAH
NOT RECORDED HORSE OWNER (GR902.4)
1037 $1,500 LOW AMATEUR-OWNER JUMPER TIME FIRST JUMP-OFF, II, 2(b) 6 69 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 KERINS, SARAH
NOT RECORDED HORSE OWNER (GR902.4)
TOTALS: 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
4118 2007 GOLD COAST JUMPER CLASSIC
(Owner at the Competition: SARAH KERINS) Start Date of Comp: 2/7/2007 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: AMATEUR OWNER JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
1030 $10,000 MED AO JUMPER CLASSIC, L 7 7 49 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 KERINS, SARAH
1031 $1,500 MEDIUM AMATEUR-OWNER JUMPER, L 7 7 25 12 75.00 0.00 75.00 0.00 75.00 KERINS, SARAH
1032 $1,500 MEDIUM AMATEUR-OWNER JUMPER, L 7 7 30 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 KERINS, SARAH
NOT RECORDED HORSE OWNER (GR902.4)
TOTALS: 75.00 0.00 75.00 0.00 75.00
619 2007 KILKENNY/IEH INTERNATIONALE
(Owner at the Competition: SARAH KERINS) Start Date of Comp: 2/14/2007 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: AMATEUR OWNER JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
1026 $2,500 HIGH AMATEUR-OWNER JPR TIME 1ST ROUND II, SEC 1 7 15 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 KERINS, SARAH
TOTALS: 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
316573 2007 LITTLEWOOD PRESIDENTS DAY EQUIT. & JUMPER
(Owner at the Competition: VIRGINIA EDWARDS) Start Date of Comp: 2/24/2007 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: MISC JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
790 Hopeful Jumper Level 0 0 27 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 MAYER, IRENE M.
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
NOT RECORDED HORSE OWNER (GR902.4)
750 Training Jumper Level 1 1 43 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 MAYER, IRENE M.
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
NOT RECORDED HORSE OWNER (GR902.4)
751 Training Jumper Level 1 1 22 6 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 MAYER, IRENE M.
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
NOT RECORDED HORSE OWNER (GR902.4)
TOTALS: 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
1918 2007 WELLINGTON MASTERS
(Owner at the Competition: GABRIELLE STERN) Start Date of Comp: 2/28/2007 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: AMATEUR OWNER JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
1035 LOW A/O JUMPER CLASSIC TABLE II, 2(b) 6 74 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
1036 LOW A/O JUMPER TIME FIRST ROUND II, SEC 1 6 55 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
NOT RECORDED HORSE OWNER (GR902.4)
1037 LOW A/O JUMPER TIME FIRST JUMP-OFF, II, 2(b) 6 66 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
TOTALS: 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
3122 2007 WELLINGTON OPEN
(Owner at the Competition: GABRIELLE STERN) Start Date of Comp: 3/7/2007 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: AMATEUR OWNER JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
1037 $1,500 LOW A-O JPR TIME FIRST JUMP-OFF, II, 2(b) 6 69 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
NOT RECORDED HORSE OWNER (GR902.4)
1036 $1,500 LOW A-O JPR TIME FIRST ROUND II, SEC 1 6 49 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
NOT RECORDED HORSE OWNER (GR902.4)
TOTALS: 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
139 2007 WELLINGTON FINALE
(Owner at the Competition: GABRIELLE STERN) Start Date of Comp: 3/14/2007 State: FL, Zone: 4
Division: AMATEUR OWNER JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
1035 $10,000 LOW A-O JPR CLASSIC TABLE II, 2(b) 6 64 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
1036 $1,500 LOW A-O JPR TIME FIRST ROUND II, SEC 1 6 36 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
1037 $1,500 LOW A-O JPR TIME FIRST JUMP-OFF, II, 2(b) 6 55 6 100.00 0.00 0.00 100.00 100.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
TOTALS: 100.00 0.00 0.00 100.00 100.00
316539 2007 SHOWPLACE SPRING SPECTACULAR II
(Owner at the Competition: GABRIELLE STERN) Start Date of Comp: 6/19/2007 State: IL, Zone: 5
Division: ADULT AMATEUR JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
561 $500 Low Amateur Owner II 2(B) 5 18 6 0.00 0.00 4.00 0.00 50.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
TOTALS: 0.00 0.00 4.00 0.00 50.00
313878 2007 ATLANTA SUMMER CLASSIC II
(Owner at the Competition: GABRIELLE STERN) Start Date of Comp: 6/27/2007 State: GA, Zone: 4
Division: AMATEUR OWNER JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
431 Jr Am Jpr 11.2.b L5 5 27 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
432 Jr Am Jpr 11.2.1 L5 5 20 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
532 EMO NHJL Jr Am Jpr Classic 5 25 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR903.6)
TOTALS: 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
2838 2007 CHAGRIN VALLEY HUNTER JUMPER CLASSIC
(Owner at the Competition: GABRIELLE STERN) Start Date of Comp: 7/17/2007 State: OH, Zone: 5
Division: AMATEUR OWNER JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
16 Low Junior/Amateur-Owner Jumper 5 24 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
17 Low Junior/Amateur-Owner Jumper 5 7 4 60.00 0.00 60.00 0.00 60.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
18 Low Junior/Amateur-Owner Jumper 5 19 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
TOTALS: 60.00 0.00 60.00 0.00 60.00
320129 2007 HORSE SHOWS BY THE BAY SERIES II
(Owner at the Competition: GABRIELLE STERN) Start Date of Comp: 7/25/2007 State: MI, Zone: 5
Division: AMATEUR OWNER JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
328 $750 Low JR/AO Jumper Table II Sec 2 (b) LV 5 5 22 5 60.00 0.00 60.00 0.00 60.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
329 $750 Low JR/AO Jumper Table II Sec 2 (b) LV 5 5 34 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
405 $2500 JR/AO Classic Jumper Classic 6 28 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
TOTALS: 60.00 0.00 60.00 0.00 60.00
292 2007 TRADERS POINT HUNT CHARITY
(Owner at the Competition: GABRIELLE STERN) Start Date of Comp: 8/14/2007 State: IN, Zone: 5
Division: AMATEUR OWNER JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
220 Low Jr-Am Ownr Jumper L5 II2b 5 36 4 100.00 0.00 100.00 0.00 100.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
303 Low Jr/Am Owner Jumper Classic 6 28 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 STERN, GABRIELLE
TOTALS: 100.00 0.00 100.00 0.00 100.00
Division: MISC JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
212 Level 6 Open Jumper II2b 6 33 4 75.00 0.00 75.00 0.00 75.00 KNOWLES, JILL
TOTALS: 75.00 0.00 75.00 0.00 75.00
323068 2008 SWAN LAKE WINTER FINALE
(Owner at the Competition: KACEY MC CANN) Start Date of Comp: 3/28/2008 State: PA, Zone: 2
Division: LOW JUNIOR JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
388 Junior Jumper 6 1 1 0.00 27.00 0.00 27.00 27.00 MC CANN, KACEY
NOT RECORDED HORSE OWNER (GR1110.4)
LESS THAN 3 ENTRIES IN CLASS (GR1113.2)
TOTALS: 0.00 27.00 0.00 27.00 27.00
5944 2008 LEXINGTON SPRING PREMIERE
(Owner at the Competition: KACEY MC CANN) Start Date of Comp: 4/23/2008 State: VA, Zone: 3
Division: LOW JUNIOR JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
492 Low Jr-A/O Jumper 5 16 5 30.00 0.00 0.00 30.00 30.00 MC CANN, KACEY
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)
493 Low Jr-A/O Jumper 5 19 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 MC CANN, KACEY
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)
TOTALS: 30.00 0.00 0.00 30.00 30.00
317702 2008 LEXINGTON SPRING ENCORE
(Owner at the Competition: KACEY MC CANN) Start Date of Comp: 4/30/2008 State: VA, Zone: 3
Division: LOW JUNIOR JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
492 $300 Low Jr-A/O Jumper, L 5 5 19 8 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 MC CANN, KACEY
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)
494 $3000 Low Junior/Amateur-Owner Jumper Classic, L 6 6 24 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 MC CANN, KACEY
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)
TOTALS: 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Division: MISC JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
426 $250 1.15 Meter Jumper, L 4 4 23 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 MC CANN, KACEY
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)
TOTALS: 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
193 2008 KESWICK HUNT CLUB
(Owner at the Competition: KACEY MC CANN) Start Date of Comp: 5/14/2008 State: VA, Zone: 3
Division: LOW JUNIOR JUMPER Rating: N
Class # Class Description Level # Entries Placing Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Jumper Money Rider Name
321 JR/AO L5 II 2C 5 3 2 100.00 0.00 0.00 100.00 100.00 MC CANN, KACEY
HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)
TOTALS: 100.00 0.00 0.00 100.00 100.00
REPORT TOTALS
Nat Pnt Good Nat Pnt Bad ZRD Pnt Good ZRD Pnt Bad Hunter Money Jumper Money
AMATEUR OWNER JUMPER 1,920.00 0.00 295.00 1,625.00 0.00 1,920.00
MISC JUMPER 275.00 22.00 75.00 222.00 0.00 297.00
JUNIOR JUMPER 4,980.00 685.00 4,630.00 1,035.00 0.00 5,665.00
MISC. HUNTER (No points earned) 1,080.00 0.00 1,080.00 0.00 1,080.00 0.00
ADULT AMATEUR JUMPER 0.00 0.00 4.00 0.00 0.00 50.00
LOW JUNIOR JUMPER 130.00 27.00 0.00 157.00 0.00 157.00
Print out on 1/17/2009 1:01:59 PM
* - Hunter Classic, ZRD - Zone/Region/District
** - USHJA Foundation Award Bad Point Reason Only
Please direct any questions or inquiries to U.S. Equestrian, Attention Sport Programs Department. While we make every effort to ensure the accuracy of the information displayed, U.S. Equestrian assumes no liability to anyone for errors or omissions. Any errors called to our attention which result in a verified correction will be rectified promptly.
Thanks for the heads up on where to find this info!

[M. O'Connor]

What an amazing saga. I opened and read it all today, so no suspense--just enough to keep me rooted in one spot till the last page.

"Bad" points reflect results that are part of a horse's USEF record, but that can't count toward year end or zone awards; this is what happens when a horse's entry blank information doesn't match his USEF recording, or when the points can't count as zone points for whatever reason (location of show, not matching up with owner's zone, etc).

[Angela Freda]

I guess the big mystery, and the one I can not figure out how to unravel, is... how did he get from the Rome WEG in'98 to FL in 2004?

ETA I am assuming that the USEF records online are only back to 2004... can one call them to get results before 2004? Where is that data I wonder? How long do they keep that data?
Is it possible to look him up under FEI? Would any international results [either Aus or Europe] be there somewhere?

[Classic Melody]

How cow, what a life this horse has had. Looks like he's been sold multiple times in the last few years. This is exactly why I don't think I can ever sell a horse. :no:

Tazer, thank you on behalf of all horses who have to work for a living!

[TSWJB]

I guess the big mystery, and the one I can not figure out how to unravel, is... how did he get from the Rome WEG in'98 to FL in 2004?


no the bigger question is how did he get from level 6 /AO jumpers/JR jumpers jumping in the big shows to a pitiful looking horse at some dealers barn being sold for $500.
Tazer you are a wonderful person going to buy this horse! wish i could do things like this! and i wonder if the former owners would want him back now?
its really sad how horses can go from the top of the sport to being neglected. makes me scared to think of the horses i sold and lost track of. i hate selling my horses but i can really only afford one.
this thread has been a wonderful one to follow. keep up with the updates on what happened to this poor horse. he looks so gorgeous in those pictures!

[BeastieSlave]

no the bigger question is how did he get from level 6 /AO jumpers/JR jumpers jumping in the big shows to a pitiful looking horse at some dealers barn being sold for $500.... keep up with the updates on what happened to this poor horse. he looks so gorgeous in those pictures!

:sigh: How often we wish they could talk....

[Angela Freda]

no the bigger question is how did he get from level 6 /AO jumpers/JR jumpers jumping in the big shows to a pitiful looking horse at some dealers barn being sold for $500.
Maybe I'm jaded, but that is less of a mystery to me... once they've served, started slipping down the ranks due to lameness or whatever, started aging,... where does everyone *think* they go?

[TSWJB]

Maybe I'm jaded, but that is less of a mystery to me... once they've served, started slipping down the ranks due to lameness or whatever, started aging,... where does everyone *think* they go?

i am curious how the horse fell through the cracks, especially a horse that seems to have served his owners so well. i would think that the owner in the picture probably would have cared about the horse's well being. so how did the horse end up so quickly being neglected. those pictures were from 2007
i think most people wouldnt want that to happen to their animals. but lets face it its too expensive and time consuming to care for too many horses. and if no one would sell their animals, then no one would get to ride someone else's nice horse.
wouldnt a new owner if the horse went lame and they didnt want it anymore, first contact the old owner?
it just makes me so sad to think that this could happen to any horse sold. the good ones or the bad ones.

[Angela Freda]

Well, I dunno' I still have my first/only horse and since he is retired, I no longer ride.

Another one of my friends had a wonderful A circuit Jumper named Flint. When he no longer could handle the shows she tried retiring him [but he hated it] and then she donated him to a therapeutic riding program to use there if he suited. He did not, but instead of contacting her for her to take him back they used him for shows and he died after peeing dark [tie-up?]
Flints story is here on COTH, do a search.

[BeastieSlave]

Hey, they don't all take a sad turn!

Mr. Studly has 52 pages of show records with big time wins under his belt. His owner worked with his old trainer to ease him back down the ranks. Fortunately, that brought him to us. When he was 20, he was doing 2'6" stuff with my #1 daughter. Now he's 22 and he's been retired to our farm. He's living large - mentoring my baby and heading out on the occasional trail ride. And, did I mention that his owners have been down from New York City twice to visit him in the south GA boonies?

Don't forget that we have several members on this BB who have retirement farms that are full of happy and healthy retired horses, and there are plenty of us with old horses you'll never hear about living out their lives in comfort.

[FlashGordon]

Old Grey Mare, I am looking for info too.
There are several horses with that name and we have no idea if this is even THE November Rain...
We'll know more when Tazer lays eyes on him and can look into it.
He's landed in a wonderful place. I am going to spend a little time being thankful that my wonderful friend and the wonderful Vet care as much as they do.

The last recorded owner rides with a local outfit here in WNY... a VERY big name barn. My friend groomed for them all last winter/spring. A few others I know ride there... I'm going to get in touch with them and see if they might recognize this horse.

[vxf111]

I am happy to weigh in on the part I know, but only if Tazer wants me to.

How is he doing, by the way?!

[Angela Freda]

VXF-I was there last night shortly after he arrived for a few hours- he seemed genuinely unperturbed by the whole move/new place/new horses and is such a sweet horse.

[showjumper78]

I knew this horse when he first started his showjumping career in 1993, after a short lived racing career. It was the same time I started my own off-track TB (eventually-turned) World Cup showjumper, which is not an uncommon thing in Australia. He was a wonderfully brave and careful horse right from the start, and we other riders always dreaded seeing him on the draw (posted order) and knew we would have to bring our best to the ring. He won many classes as a youngster and was always destined for the Grand Prix ring. Everybody loved that horse, and he loved the crowds cheering for him as he won jump-off after jump-off. He had a very successful career on the Australian scene which lead to the WEG in Rome, where many other countries were interested in him. In the end, he was bought by a US buyer (which was usual for alot of horses leaving the shores of Australia in competition... to never return) and from all we heard was a huge success amongst the sea of warmbloods both bred here and imported from Europe. I have known many horses in Australia that were "famous" and sold overseas, but I had not seen many again in my travels, until I saw November Rain at Keswick Horse Show in May 2008 - I instantly recognised him from the distinct Australian shoulder freeze brand. I approached the girl who had ridden him in the class and asked "Is that horse from Australia and is his name November Rain?". She replied in the affirmative and gave me a brief history of her involvement with him... I just couldn't believe that here I was tens of thousands of miles from home watching a horse that I grew up with, from the small town of Bega in New South Wales renowned for making cheese. He is a magical horse, and I could go on and on about his achievements, but instead I wish the new owner blessings and prayers in the good deed you are doing... he most certainly deserves the dignified retirment you will give him. For all that have been following this story, if nothing else take away that heart is everything in the world of showjumping, and no matter what your horses background, they have a chance if they have the heart to do it! Please give NR a big pat for me! :)

[seeuatx]

I knew this horse when he first started his showjumping career in 1993, after a short lived racing career. It was the same time I started my own off-track TB (eventually-turned) World Cup showjumper, which is not an uncommon thing in Australia. He was a wonderfully brave and careful horse right from the start, and we other riders always dreaded seeing him on the draw (posted order) and knew we would have to bring our best to the ring. He won many classes as a youngster and was always destined for the Grand Prix ring. Everybody loved that horse, and he loved the crowds cheering for him as he won jump-off after jump-off. He had a very successful career on the Australian scene which lead to the WEG in Rome, where many other countries were interested in him. In the end, he was bought by a US buyer (which was usual for alot of horses leaving the shores of Australia in competition... to never return) and from all we heard was a huge success amongst the sea of warmbloods both bred here and imported from Europe. I have known many horses in Australia that were "famous" and sold overseas, but I had not seen many again in my travels, until I saw November Rain at Keswick Horse Show in May 2008 - I instantly recognised him from the distinct Australian shoulder freeze brand. I approached the girl who had ridden him in the class and asked "Is that horse from Australia and is his name November Rain?". She replied in the affirmative and gave me a brief history of her involvement with him... I just couldn't believe that here I was tens of thousands of miles from home watching a horse that I grew up with, from the small town of Bega in New South Wales renowned for making cheese. He is a magical horse, and I could go on and on about his achievements, but instead I wish the new owner blessings and prayers in the good deed you are doing... he most certainly deserves the dignified retirment you will give him. For all that have been following this story, if nothing else take away that heart is everything in the world of showjumping, and no matter what your horses background, they have a chance if they have the heart to do it! Please give NR a big pat for me! :)

Is any one else sobbing after reading this? I know I am an emotional sop... but had to go grab some tissues.

[CallMeGrace]

WOW - this gets better and better. :)

[FlashGordon]

WOW - this gets better and better. :)

I know, totally amazing! I somehow missed the pics and info on page 10 when I posted before... what an awesome horse, and I am so very glad Tazer had the instincts to take him one.

Very happy ending, for sure.

[Old Equine Lady]

Hey, they don't all take a sad turn!

Mr. Studly has 52 pages of show records with big time wins under his belt. His owner worked with his old trainer to ease him back down the ranks. Fortunately, that brought him to us. When he was 20, he was doing 2'6" stuff with my #1 daughter. Now he's 22 and he's been retired to our farm. He's living large - mentoring my baby and heading out on the occasional trail ride. And, did I mention that his owners have been down from New York City twice to visit him in the south GA boonies?

Don't forget that we have several members on this BB who have retirement farms that are full of happy and healthy retired horses, and there are plenty of us with old horses you'll never hear about living out their lives in comfort.

That is so true, most of mine are retired, in their twenties and just hanging out! I have several friends that also have older ones. It is true though, it takes the same amount of feed to feed an old horse as it does a young one and twice the vet bills!

[mademoiselle]

It's so funny, when the thread started, I tought 'yeah, right this horse went to the Olympics' ... Like many other said, I thought it was just some people who don't know anything about jumping who marketed the horse like this.

I can't believe that he actually went to the WEG in Roma and won some World Cup GPs and the whole nine yard.
I was working at the WEG in Roma as a journalist, so I actually saw him jump !!!!

Wow, what a story.

I'm happy that somebody went to get him, he deserves a good home.

[Tazer]

Please give NR a big pat for me! :)

I most certainly will, and, if you have the time and inclination, I would love for you to send me a private message with your name. I am putting together an album/scrapbook for him, and, would like to include a page with what you have written, and I would like that page to have an author.

Thank you for sharing your experiences with him. I enjoyed reading them, with tears in my eyes.

[Tazer]

I am happy to weigh in on the part I know, but only if Tazer wants me to.

How is he doing, by the way?!

He was a bit stocked up this morning, but turn out seemed to help him. The naughty boy had a broken strap on the blanket that fits him nicely, so I switched blankets and went on a shopping excursion for supplies so I can do repairs. He was great on the crossties and enjoyed his grooming immensely. I gave him a new leather halter today and he was looking spiffy when I left. He is stiff, so I have grabbed some Cosequin, which I will start him with tomorrow.

And yes, please feel free to "weigh in" if you wish :)

[War Admiral]

Is any one else sobbing after reading this? I know I am an emotional sop... but had to go grab some tissues.

Oh yeah - TOTALLY crying.

You want to talk about a COTH Miracle Horse - this is it. :sadsmile:

It sure would be interesting to see if COTH (the actual magazine) has any pics of him in his prior career!!

Tazer - God bless you, once again, for saving this Grand Old Man.

[MintHillFarm]

Copper1 - same thought I had - If Ferdinard, a Derby winner, could end up in Japan and eventually sold for slaughter, I believe anything can happen.

[MintHillFarm]

Sorry if the name does not please anyone, but I've known some pretty creative and smart people who claim to be a "redneck". Dux is because he thinks he's top man, literally. If he can be identified, then his true name will be considered, I would not deny him that.

He was quite happy yesterday, eating the apple I offered him when I asked him if he minded the name and if he wanted to come home with me.

And yes, his barn name will be "Dux".

What I learned yesterday, is that he was in a lesson program and then sold to a dealer. He was then traded to the gal we just purchased him from. I am hoping to maybe back track a bit, and learn more about him.


WELL DONE!!

[dcm]

Oh, I'm sobbing here....

Tazer, maybe COTH would like to do a story on Dux and how you found him? I think it would be a great human interest story for them, and maybe include retiring the old campaigners. Something to make people more aware of what happens to our wonderful show partners when they get old.

[War Admiral]

Oh, I'm sobbing here....

Tazer, maybe COTH would like to do a story on Dux and how you found him? I think it would be a great human interest story for them, and maybe include retiring the old campaigners. Something to make people more aware of what happens to our wonderful show partners when they get old.

Excellent suggestion, wholeheartedly seconded!!!!

[pony4me]

What a great story! Yes, I'd like to see it in COTH, or maybe a selection of similar stories incorporated into a book, with sales proceeds benefiting rescues.

It's 2009, do you know where your old horse is?

[War Admiral]

It's 2009, do you know where your old horse is?

P4, can I use that as my sig??

[pony4me]

Sure, WA.

[War Admiral]

Cheers!

*back to scheduled programming* ;)

[theoldgreymare]

Tazer, maybe COTH would like to do a story on Dux and how you found him? I think it would be a great human interest story for them, and maybe include retiring the old campaigners. Something to make people more aware of what happens to our wonderful show partners when they get old.

I do agree that people need to be made aware of what can, and often does, happen to these horses. Don't know that we'll be reading this story in COTH any time soon though but it is a nice idea......something that can follow the lives of some of the great one's and share their happy endings. In truth, I would like to see the unhappy endings shared as well to bring more awareness to what can happen to horses, despite their individual greatness or talent.

[War Admiral]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think that once Dux is rehabbed and looking splendiforous, if Tazer is up for it, a formal retirement ceremony at HITS Saugerties would be entirely appropriate. :D

[hrsgirl07]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think that once Dux is rehabbed and looking splendiforous, if Tazer is up for it, a formal retirement ceremony at HITS Saugerties would be entirely appropriate. :D

That would seem very appropriate in deed!!!

[Angela Freda]

Posting these for Tazer and dunno' if this will work, pictures of Dux the other day when he arrived:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/angfreda/100_1434.jpg

Where did she go?
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/angfreda/100_1417.jpg

Regal fella’
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/angfreda/100_1404_1.jpg

[2016 RoyalCrown KTug]

I had tears in my eyes as well. I am overly joyed that November Rain will have the retirement he truly deserves. Those pictures are adorable.

Tazer- please be sure to give him a hug from ALL OF US! :winkgrin: And what is his name now?

[LittleGray]

Posting these for Tazer and dunno' if this will work, pictures of Dux the other day when he arrived:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/angfreda/100_1434.jpg

Where did she go?
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/angfreda/100_1417.jpg

Regal fella’
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/angfreda/100_1404_1.jpg

And I was just going to ask for more pics! I can't wait to see what he will look like with some TLC!

[Addison]

ANGELA- great pictures from his first day!!

I look forward to hearing more from all of you as he progresses!

[War Admiral]

Beautiful pics. They made me cry all over again. God bless everybody who is helping out with this.

For anyone interested, I happened across a great version of the Aussie national anthem (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iGNhgMd6uM)... If you REALLY want to cry then listen to it while you're looking at all the pics!

[happyhorse3]

This is such a heartbreaking story. What is wrong with some people? Honestly, how can you call yourself a horseman if you can't even give an animal that has given you so much a decent forever home? For so many people, especially in the show world, a horse is just a "vehicle" for their egotistic gratifications. When that animal no longer serves their purpose they become disposable. I'm so happy this horse is going to have a happy ending. I know horses can be expensive to keep but it's hard to buy that line from this situation considering this person had a lot of money to show this horse. Horses are living, breathing creatures not hunks of metal like cars to be sent to the junkyard. I've always felt that once you own a horse you are responsible for that life and when and if you cannot provide a home you are responsible for making sure that animal gets the best home possible. I do hope the people or person responsible for this travesty reads this thread and carries some guilt.:mad:

[showjumper78]

Hi Tazer,

Just an aside to my note from before... Dux is the equivalent of Valedictorian - it means you graduate top of your class. So, good choice of name... he certainly is top of the class! Am looking htrough my old mags from home to see if I can find one of him. Back in the 90's in Aus there weren't a whole lot of photos from horse events online. Will let you know if/when I do. Have fun with him, he looks happy!

:)

[Instant Karma]

This is an awesome story!

But I read the entire thread and I don't think I saw this answered, I understand there is a freeze brand on their shoulder, but is it a brand specific to the individual horse? Or is it a brand specific to the breed? Just wondering how we are 100% sure this is the same horse?

Just curious, this is an amazing ending either way:)

[dcm]

Many useful ageing show horses who are on their way down do not take retirement very well. They want to be busy, they want the attention. Owners place them where they can be used, but things beyond their control happen. You cannot hold the last USEF registered owner responsible unless you know the whole story. You have to remember that Dux was priced above current meat prices, so an effort was being made to find a useful home. He was not an auction/meat truck rescue like so many seen here. His "rescue" is different in that sense, and could be used as an example to people who do not know what to do with unhappy retirees.

So maybe we need to think before we start tossing sticks and stones at Dux's very public and well known former owners.

[dcm]

This is an awesome story!

But I read the entire thread and I don't think I saw this answered, I understand there is a freeze brand on their shoulder, but is it a brand specific to the individual horse? Or is it a brand specific to the breed? Just wondering how we are 100% sure this is the same horse?

Just curious, this is an amazing ending either way:)

Dux has been ID'd by his markings, by showjumper78 who recognizes him from Australia, and in the photos someone linked of him in competition in 2007 at Trader's Point.

[showjumper78]

This is an awesome story!

But I read the entire thread and I don't think I saw this answered, I understand there is a freeze brand on their shoulder, but is it a brand specific to the individual horse? Or is it a brand specific to the breed? Just wondering how we are 100% sure this is the same horse?

Just curious, this is an amazing ending either way:)

Freeze brands in Australia are specific to each individual horse, much like the gum tattoos of the TBs here. First, there is a stud brand that all the foals from that stud get, so ther are identified with that stud, then there are 2 numbers - one above the other. The top number is the foal number from that stud (ie/ if it is a 2, he was the second foal born at that stud that year) and the bottom number is the second digit of the year they were born. How do they determine the difference between 1989 say and 1999... horses 10 years apart can easily be determined exactly what year then by their teeth. Hope this helps. He was id'd then with the jockey club.

[mortebella]

What beautiful pictures! That is truly the face of a horse that has known and feels lost without attention. We have a retiree like that at our barn - when his owner abandoned him, he knew it and took it so personally, he became so depressed, I thought we were going to lose him. Even though we really tried and fussed over him, he knew - SHE had left him. But basically he had always been a loved horse, and after 3-4 dodgy months he clued into the fact that he was STILL loved, and is just so vibrant today. I really see that in Dux, that outreaching look. God bless y'all for rescuing him, and I think you will be well rewarded. :):):)

[S A McKee]

Dux has been ID'd by his markings, by showjumper78 who recognizes him from Australia, and in the photos someone linked of him in competition in 2007 at Trader's Point.

Showjumper78 recognized the horse that showed at Keswick 5/08 and the pictures from 2007. That's not an ID of the horse in the sale ad.

I may have missed it but did anyone say this horse has a matching freeze brand?

[bargo20]

This horse has been identified since January 16. If these people are not guilty of dumping this horse, why don't they come forward? considering the number of views on this forum, it is difficult to believe that they are unaware of the situation. I, for one, cannot conjecture excuses for those who seem unwilling to defend themselves. The horse did not put itself in that lot.

[vxf111]

As long as everyone involved is okay with it, I will give you a little of the backstory. Just checking that it's okay. Please know that no one ever intended from this horse to end up in a bad situation and the parties thought they had taken steps to ensure he would be cared for.

Tazer, what a handsome man he is! :) He already looks brighter eyed.

[Jane]

This horse has been identified since January 16. If these people are not guilty of dumping this horse, why don't they come forward? considering the number of views on this forum, it is difficult to believe that they are unaware of the situation. I, for one, cannot conjecture excuses for those who seem unwilling to defend themselves. The horse did not put itself in that lot.

Since when does one need to get on the COTH BB in order to "defend themselves"? Not everyone read this BB, certainly not daily.

I don't understand why some people feel the need to jump the gun and assume Kacey or her family are "guilty" of anything...why, because she was the last person to show the horse and owner on record? Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, they retired the horse to what they thought was a good home, and are just as upset about what has taken place?

[nlk]

This has been a great thread and I have been following it for a while. If you search November Rain on the USEF site you can see his show results starting in 2004. He has a very impressive show record. He was still doing the grand prixs in 2004, 6 years after being at the Olympics!
Congrats Tazer, it seems you got a diamond in the rough. It seems he was showing in the level 6's last year!

So I'm a little lost on his history...Did he do the Olympics? 1998? Is that what I'm getting?

I have gathered he did WEG in Rome and has competed in several world cups.... and grand prixs and I saw the pics at Traders Point but the highlighted part confused me...

[califgirl]

I am new here but must say we had a horse in our barn that we also found out had been an olympic horse that was purchased in the US quite cheaply for a kid. We ran his background and found his original owner but never figured out why he ended up in a sales barn for $5000 dollars. This horse was a dressage horse...........Maybe the horse was donated to a school? Many people do this thinking their horses will be taken care of, but many are sold when they are too lame to stand up to the rigors of this kind of work without the previous owners knowledge. I'm sure noone did this on purpose to a horse of this caliber

[huntereq7]

He looks so happy in those pictures! I bet he'll be looking quite spiffy after some TLC as well!

[Trixie]

Hey, they don't all take a sad turn!

Ditto this, and stressing that we don't know what went on. Many of us keep our retirees, at our farm, we have one retired former jumper and one retired small pony.

Sometimes bad things happen despite good efforts made. Not everyone reads the COTH BB, and it's ridiculous to think they need to "defend themselves" to random internet people that they don't know. We've all seen COTH threads turn a bit rabid.

The important thing is that that horse looks absolutely thrilled to bits. It's wonderful that Tazer was able to give him a good home. Good luck with him, and I can't wait to see follow up photos. :)

[nlk]

So I'm a little lost on his history...Did he do the Olympics? 1998? Is that what I'm getting?

I have gathered he did WEG in Rome and has competed in several world cups.... and grand prixs and I saw the pics at Traders Point but the highlighted part confused me...

Never mind I think I found it...98' Olympics Rome???? Placed 18th?

[bargo20]

These people are not obligated to "defend" themselves against anything. It has often been said that in the horse business, your reputation is everything. Those that are well-versed in PR say that it is important to get the truth out, and get it out early.
Considering the interest that this thread has generated, they, or a surrogate, could outline the steps that had been taken to prevent this outcome. this might help others from falling into similar situations.

[jetsetter]

I'm so glad that this amazing horse now has a much deserved forever home!!!

My question is what happened for him to get to this point?? It says on his results page on the USEF site that he was last shown with Kacey McCann in Virgina on 5/14/2008. Anyone know any details?? Just curious!!

Also i'm assuming that the rider from the Traders Point pictures is a girl by the name of Gabrielle Stern??

[Coreene]

nlk, 1998 was the World Equestrian Games in Rome; there were no Olympics in 1998.

[nlk]

nlk, 1998 was the World Equestrian Games in Rome; there were no Olympics in 1998.

Yeah thanks I miss typed someone else sent me a pm too! My mistake. I'm trying to find the info from th original board.

I gave a quick update that he found a home and one of the girls came back with this whole rode in the Olympics by ....placed 18th... only just used the same year as WEG. I didn't pay attention to the dates... So I'm trying to cross reference this, and this is also from someone who knew the difference between the WEG and Olympics so that wasn't the mistake.

Thanks again! Like everyone else I find his history fascinating and I'm just trying to keep up that's why there's all the question marks:lol:

[Angela Freda]

If you want to read a similar story, search COTH for 'Flint'
People trust other people and sometimes that trust is not warranted, or the situation is misunderstood and the horse gets shuffled along without the 'owner' knowing. It happens more than any of us want to think.

I think Addison noted, let's focus on this being a wake up call for each of us to look around and see if there is a situation in which we can help, rather then pointing fingers when we don't have the whole story. Let's keep it positive, like Dux has- he's not ruffled, he appears happy to meet new friends and [imo] has already attached himself to Tazer. Smart boy!

[Angela Freda]

Also i'm assuming that the rider from the Traders Point pictures is a girl by the name of Gabrielle Stern??
He did several classes at Traders Point with a couple different riders.
I have no idea who is who.