North American Young Riders Championships [Archive]

Eventingjunkie

Jan. 7, 2009, 01:45 PM

Hi I noticed on Callie Judy's website she has the NAYRC Championships as July 9 and taking place in Kentucky. Does she know something I don't know? Did I miss this announcement, or is she just putting it there as a place marker until the formal schedule is announced? Is it really going to be in Kentucky?

http://www.calliejudy.com/calliejudyeventc.html

Rebel97

Jan. 7, 2009, 02:01 PM

RAyers

Jan. 7, 2009, 02:02 PM

Maybe she needs to to talk to folks who are really in the know? As of the USEA convention, we were still planning to run NAYRC at the Colorado Horse Park. All agreeements were in place and the facility will be open and running.

She can go to KY for NAYRC but she may find it empty.

Reed

Jealoushe

Jan. 7, 2009, 02:04 PM

Seems a lot of riders are just living out their eventing dreams through a fantasy land they create these days....:cool:

Rebel97

Jan. 7, 2009, 02:07 PM

Actually Reed it is someone you know very well who told me this and was at the convention, but I don't give names on message boards.

RAyers

Jan. 7, 2009, 02:21 PM

Then they need to talk to the organizer because we all were chatting about what we needed to to do for the year. PM me.

Reed

Eventingjunkie

Jan. 7, 2009, 02:23 PM

Does any one know the dates?

Northfields

Jan. 7, 2009, 02:57 PM

I have actually been in contact with the USEA and the NAJYRC will in fact be held in Kentucky this year, but the dates have not yet been finalized.

NeverTime

Jan. 7, 2009, 03:08 PM

Why the change?

retreadeventer

Jan. 7, 2009, 03:09 PM

Yer Momma, Reed! :)

CallMeGrace

Jan. 7, 2009, 04:51 PM

Why the change?

Could it be that the construction needs more support (financially)?;)

gchildean

Jan. 7, 2009, 05:19 PM

We will not know for sure where it will be until the conclusion of the USEF meeting this weekend. They told us that we will have a definite answer next week. When we get the definite answer I will post it on the board.

flutie1

Jan. 7, 2009, 07:27 PM

The NAYRC will definitely NOT be on the July 9 weekend!

Threeday33

Jan. 7, 2009, 07:48 PM

I hope not because it would conflict with a terrific event that none of us are ever willing to miss in area IV that weekend!!!

You know what, I'm wondering if she meant to say that she will be at Maui Jim July 9 for a mandatory outing for young riders???

Chrissy

specialK

Jan. 7, 2009, 08:48 PM

flutie1

Jan. 7, 2009, 09:17 PM

"... a terrific event that none of us are ever willing to miss in area IV ..."

I'm blushing!
:-)

LynLyn

Jan. 7, 2009, 09:44 PM

No need to blush. You run a damned good event! Have not missed it in years...

pegasusmom

Jan. 8, 2009, 05:08 AM

Location will be announced next week and the date is not July 9th. . .

gchildean

Jan. 8, 2009, 09:57 AM

If the location is Kentucky the date will most likely be 2 weeks earlier than in past years. I believe that has something to do with PC nationals and other shows already scheduled it the horse park.

mjrtango93

Jan. 8, 2009, 10:10 AM

apparently the participation was, in part, low due to the Colorado location. Certainly we had ruled it out of our summer plans given the time and expense of trailering/flying/whatever a horse 2,600 miles. There have been reliable rumors that is was going to be moved but the location was undecided..either VA horse park or KHP. I welcome hearing where and when the NAYRC will be held.

Although at least CO is more half way for both coasts. If it goes to VA that is about 3600 miles for the west coast people. Kentucky and Chicago are slightly better, but when you get it on one coast or the other it means half your competition has a long way to go.

Eventingjunkie

Jan. 8, 2009, 10:12 AM

USPC championships are at Lexington, VA this year July 23-26.

gchildean

Jan. 8, 2009, 10:15 AM

I don't think that VA was on the list of possibilities of the location. The possibilities were Colorado, KY, or another location that was generoulsly offered to us if things were to fall through with KY. I don't think I'm at liberty to say where the third location is until things are figured out this weekend.

NeverTime

Jan. 8, 2009, 10:23 AM

Still not understanding whether they aren't going back to Colo. because they didn't like the facilities or because they want to put it back on the East Coast.

gchildean

Jan. 8, 2009, 10:31 AM

It has nothing to do with not liking the facility. I for one thought the facility was wonderful and everything ran fairly smoothly. It was a once and a life time experience for our east coast kids and I don't think the experience is anything we will soon forget. I believe it has something to do with the properties future with a lease or sale or something to that effect. I don't think we really got a difinitive answer as to why at the annual meeting. I'm still a bit confused myself.

pegasusmom

Jan. 8, 2009, 05:42 PM

The facility was nice - great rings, awesome job on the XC footing etc. - I found the management pretty lousy quite frankly in other respects. The fact that the manure pits were never emptied after the 3-4 weeks of H/J shows was pretty unacceptable in my book. No trash cans or not enough and the ones there weren't emptied - lots of little things that as an organizer I look at at every competition I go to (mainly to see if I can learn a better way to do something).

Gnep

Jan. 8, 2009, 07:09 PM

and don not forget the cage, I put several signs on the fence,

Don't feed the Monkeys.

I guess somebody did not find it funny and had them rather fast removed.

gchildean

Jan. 8, 2009, 07:50 PM

you mean the cage with one stupid gate for ALL the disciplines? That was loads of fun

pegasusmom

Jan. 8, 2009, 07:55 PM

And the facilities inside the cage. . . while I appreciated the flush toilets, only two of them for all those of the feminine persuasion? You always had to stand in line, and paper products were an issue as well.

Gnep

Jan. 8, 2009, 08:59 PM

But considering the trash, I spent every morning several hours picking up the trash left by the future wonders of the eventing world on X-C, putting the decoration back in place, remulching jumps, replanting torn out plants, and reparing the brushing.
One jump I had to completly redo, decoration and brushing every mod1 morning, it was the stairs on top of the hill. The brushing got trampelt and the flower pots kicked of the bench.
In the barn the flowers were several times torn out of their pots and thrown all over the place.
It must have been the party point, lots of booze cans and bottles each morning.

Just the other side, thats why I put the "Don't feed the Monkeys" signs on the cage.

The cage is actualy FEI regulation, goes back to a problem a US rider had at an international event, owner druged the horse.

pegasusmom

Jan. 9, 2009, 05:49 AM

Gnep - not doubting a bit how hard you worked and you have mentioned in the past trash/destruction on the XC. Just sorry I didn't get a chance to meet you - we did meet Reed. I don't recall seeing any trash cans out there, and certainly in the barn my son was in there were no trash receptacles ever, the entire time we were there. That's a management issue and should have been addressed by he who was paid lots of money to do so. That said, no excuses for the future wonders of the eventing world for not picking up after themselves and dislodging stuff XC. Just reinforces my very strong belief that everyone who competes needs to volunteer at some point to help with some aspect of a horse trial so they understand how hard people work to put on a nice event.

specialK

Jan. 9, 2009, 09:30 PM

i think I did hear it had something to do with the Colorado location being for sale among other factors.
Someone please let us knwo the time/date of NAYRC asap...I need to decide on a USPC UL testing date ( and location)on Monday and want to be sure that it doesn't conflict with NAYRC as I know several candidates who are hoping to qualify for YR. Thanks.

gchildean

Jan. 10, 2009, 07:42 AM

I will definitely let you know as soon as we do. Hopefully it will be soon so we can start making plans.

specialK

Jan. 10, 2009, 05:05 PM

no news yet?

gchildean

Jan. 10, 2009, 07:23 PM

Nope, still waiting. It probably won't happen until everyone gets back to the office Monday.

specialK

Jan. 11, 2009, 09:53 AM

Thanks i'm planning a USPC UL testing and the paperwork has to be in to national office by Jan 15th...do not want to have it conflict with NAYRCs that dates of the testing, due to facility renatl is most likely July 25/26....

specialK

Jan. 12, 2009, 11:23 AM

hoping there would be some news about the 2009 NAYRC dates and location. Is there somebody I might be able to call and inquire about this info? USEF?

gchildean

Jan. 12, 2009, 11:33 AM

If I haven't been told yet than they probably aren't ready to give out the info yet. I would think that the coordinators would be the first ones to know.

specialK

Jan. 12, 2009, 05:58 PM

apparently dates and times still need to be voted on before they can be finalized..which should happen end of week or weekend.. I got enough info to know to schedule the USPC UL tesing the Beginning of August and to think that East coast kid could make the schlepp...breathing easier now!

advmom

Jan. 12, 2009, 06:02 PM

Hmmm does this mean to read that the dates will be in July and in the East?

gchildean

Jan. 12, 2009, 07:54 PM

We were told that if it goes to KY than it will be 2 weeks earlier than in previous years. It has always been the 1st weekend in August so that would make it in July this year (if in fact it is in KY. We haven't had the final word yet).

bosox

Jan. 12, 2009, 08:10 PM

gchildean

Jan. 13, 2009, 09:59 AM

I believe this to be true. But, if it were the normal date anyone going to do YR probably wouldn't do PC nationals right before the championships anyway. That would seem like an awful lot to put the kids and their horses through in a matter of 2 weeks.

SLR

Jan. 13, 2009, 10:05 AM

Gwen, any idea about the qualifications this year? FEI wesite says CCI* and CCI** only. I can't remember when we"ve found out the changes that they've issued the last 2 years. Thanks

bosox

Jan. 13, 2009, 10:14 AM

didn't realize that most kids did not do both. We had a PCer from our club do both a few years ago. What I don't know if is she took the same horse to both or a 2nd horse to PC championships. Maybe the timeline was a bit different also--more time inbetween.

gchildean

Jan. 13, 2009, 10:20 AM

Every year the USEF has to ask for special permission to use the 2 CIC as qualifiers. This as to be approved by the FEI. I believe we are allowed to use the CIC but we still have to go through the permission process. It should be updated as soon as we know for sure.

As far as the PC nationals thing, at least in our area, we always have a camp the week before championships. So, doing both would be pretty tough not to mention exhausting.

specialK

Jan. 13, 2009, 01:05 PM

There isn't much of a conflict between USPC Champ and NAYRCs at least as far as eventing or dressage goes. USPC offers prelim as its highest level and YR starts at *. USPC dressage doesn't get into the FEI levels like NAYRC. THere might however be a conflict between an UL USPC testing and YR. Kids who are going for their B's and As or the new UL specialty ratings are the kids most likely trying out for the YR teams. I've scheduled our UL test for Aug 8/9th.
Does anyone know if the NAYRC will likely be a CCN or a CIC????
Also does anyone know how the YR coaches from an area are selected? Or the folks who run the YR program in an USEA area are selected?

gchildean

Jan. 13, 2009, 01:39 PM

The NAJYRC is ALWAYS a CCI championship short format. As far as how people get selected, you have to apply and be voted in by your area council. This may very from area to area. This is also how coaches are selected.

SLR

Jan. 13, 2009, 01:56 PM

SpecialK this should answer some of your questions http://www.useventing.com/education.php?section=youngriders

WeDoItAll

Jan. 13, 2009, 02:09 PM

they would run NAYRC the same time as PC championships in Lex, VA? Per Gwen's last post--that would be the case.

:confused:

well--it looks like it would be just a few days before but I can't see how the kids could do both...

Remember ... there is a championships on the west coast AND on the east coast every three years and 2009 is that year! Any member from any region is welcome to compete in EITHER championships, as long as they are entered by their RS and can get there.

West coast championships - this year called Pacific Coast Inter-regional Championships -- will be held in Washington state for the FIRST TIME EVER! It is actually being held from August 10-16th AND depending on the discipline and when it competes, you can enter in more than one discipline.

So ... just thought I'd put out there that there is an option other than east coast champs this year.

specialK

Jan. 13, 2009, 08:29 PM

this is exciting news that it may be possible to compete in more than one discipline at USPC champs or what ever they are calling them out there. Older daughter has accomplished her long term goals at champs and so is not longer interested in going. She's now running 2 horses at prelim+ so its not like we have the time or money anyway. Younger daughter often expresses interest in going to Champs an d want her to have the opportunity. If older daughter can compete in a couple of things she and her friends might be way more interested in taking the road trip. It's always nbeen well worht the experience.
I'd think in terms of NAYRC and uspc east champs being at the same time, although I clearly don't know for sure...

LynLyn

Jan. 13, 2009, 08:35 PM

This makes me wonder what Area IV will have for a mandatory outing then. It has been Maui Jim in the past, but would be too close to the date if it is, indeed, two weeks earlier. I do hope that this is determined soon....

specialK

Jan. 13, 2009, 08:43 PM

what do you mean by mandatory outing? Area 1 doesn't have anything like this, I don't believe. I'm still a newbie at the YR/qualification stuff as my 16 daughter has just gotten to the *level.

bosox

Jan. 14, 2009, 08:13 AM

I want to say it was 2007 that our member did both events--I know she rode Pre-Lim at KY b/c most of the kids that do other things--like S/J or Polox--went in Eventing b/c it was the "Rolex" field. Can't be 100% sure of the year--but that seems to stick in my head as the year she did both. She also re-took her A later on in August--so it was a busy year for her! (She passed:D)

Our PC is 3 hours from Lex VA and maybe 6 from KY...so most of our kids won't do Pacific Coast Championships but it does offer a lot of chances for kids more centrally located.

That is kind of neat about being able to do more than one sport. My husband always thought the kids should be able to do more than one sport--last year little sox qualified in Quiz, Polox and Games and would have done Tet but she had an accident before the Tet rally--and she could not go to that rally. She would have only gone in Polox but--if she had the option--she would have done some other sport as well. Maybe the East will get on board with that one day.

gchildean

Jan. 14, 2009, 08:26 AM

In Area II we don't have a manditory outing per say but we strongly encourage those who are shortlisted for the team to do a HT about 3 weeks prior to camp to make sure that everyone is still in form and sharp. Most of these kids qualify at the 1* at VA at the end of may and the coaches feel that its good to do a low key event in between just to make sure that something hasn't effected their confidence. They even tell the kids they can go training instead of prelim so they can just really have a good experience.

KMErickson

Jan. 14, 2009, 11:25 AM

what do you mean by mandatory outing? Area 1 doesn't have anything like this, I don't believe. I'm still a newbie at the YR/qualification stuff as my 16 daughter has just gotten to the *level.

In Area I the mandatory outing is Groton House II. When I did NAYRC in 07 I had just done Bromont a few weeks before and so didn't feel too hot about going to GHF II but was informed that I was required in order to be selected for the team (even though there were only two one star candidates!!). I was allowed to run just dressage and sj, and all the yr candidates had a jog in front of the yr selection committee on sunday morning.

LynLyn

Jan. 14, 2009, 05:21 PM

Our area (at least for the past 4 years that I have been paying attention ...) has an event as a mandatory outing before they name the actual team. They have a chance to see how you and your horse are doing. They aget to do jog ups too.

coastocoast

Jan. 16, 2009, 06:11 PM

Anyone have an answer yet on the date and location of NAJYRC?

specialK

Jan. 16, 2009, 08:26 PM

THanks, KM.. idid find out today that GHF II is the mandatory outing as you said in your post. My daughter is doing Bromont and will be in your same situation for GHF II...although we were planning on running it anyway. To bad it doesn't count as a qualifier. My daughter is going to try to qualify both her horses, if I can figure out how to fund this...One horse (Oly)is about 20, so we'd hate for him to be stiff or off for YR. THe other horse(Colin) is younger, but new to her last season. THet got 2 prelims under their belt, one at Plantation, which turned out to be the CIC* course. They ended up in 3rd in spite of their time penalties on SJ...
KM ..how did you find Bromont....?
Have you ridden the * course at KHP?

The dates should be announced tomorrow. The USEF has decided on them as well as the locataion, but needs the board to officially approve them which should happen tonight.

Jazzy Lady

Jan. 17, 2009, 09:57 AM

specialK - Bromont has big courses. They have recently been re-done by Derek (last couple of years) but I have heard that they are much different than his typical courses. The terrain is very hilly as well, which plays a big factor, but it's a fantastic show and they do an excellent job. :)

I'm hoping to be there in the **.

dressage_gal17

Jan. 19, 2009, 08:05 AM

Still no news?

pegasusmom

Jan. 19, 2009, 08:36 AM

KHP July 20-26

avezan

Jan. 19, 2009, 08:41 AM

KHP July 20-26

Is this posted anywhere official? Does this overlap with Pony Club Championships? Even if the kids don't compete at both, I know a lot of people, coaches, grooms, parents, competitors who support their friends, etc do go to both.

specialK

Jan. 19, 2009, 09:03 AM

this does overlap with pony club championships east which are being held in Lexington VA. My understanding is that NAJYRC did have many options in terms of dates etc. Having been in pony club for years and attending many champs, I don't think there will be to much of an issue. I just set up an UL testing for our region and was more concerned that there would be a conflict between the A/B riders and NAJRC....unfortunately most of the UL pony clubbers don't frequently attend champs):

LAZ

Jan. 19, 2009, 10:11 AM

KHP July 20-26

Ugh, that has the potential to be brutally hot and humid.

What a shame to have it conflict the PC Nationals, I can't help but think that's not a good thing for either occasion.

bosox

Jan. 19, 2009, 10:44 AM

July 23-26 for PC championships.

I know our Eventing Coach for our Region does both YR and Championships. It will be tough on all the support staff that has kids in both places.:no:

Good luck to all.

gchildean

Jan. 19, 2009, 11:14 AM

It won't be any hotter than it was when it was in VA and it was brutally hot in CO.

LAZ

Jan. 19, 2009, 12:00 PM

It was brutally hot--high 90's--in VA the year I was there--05. It was nearly cold in 04 (which was really amazing), nice in Bromont.

It's hard to win--I was just thinking of how hot it has been at Champagne Run over the years.

NeverTime

Jan. 19, 2009, 12:11 PM

Colorado: It's a dry heat.:p

pegasusmom

Jan. 19, 2009, 02:12 PM

Colorado: It's a dry heat.:p

104 is 104 - my son was the last rider on course in Colorado last summer.

coastocoast

Jan. 19, 2009, 02:20 PM

Right over the Rebecca Farm event...

groom

Jan. 19, 2009, 08:21 PM

It won't be any hotter than it was when it was in VA and it was brutally hot in CO.

Want to bet a beer?

WeDoItAll

Jan. 19, 2009, 08:47 PM

It will be nice and temperate with very little humidity at USPC Champs West in WA on August 10-16! Not all that much further than Rebecca Farm!

eventer4ever

Jan. 20, 2009, 10:51 PM

I went to young riders and did the one star in '05 in VA and it was insanely hot. I have never been so hot in my life....I can't imagine KY is going to be worse?!?!?!?

We did our training the week before in Southern Pines and were doing gallops at 5:30 in the morning to stay reasonably cool.

No matter what happens, some people are still going to be upset.