CIC & CCI ...?

[myhorsecouldeatyours]

Stupid question but what is the difference between CIC and CCI?

kristen

[snoopy]

not much these days:lol:

[myhorsecouldeatyours]

not much these days:lol:

what?

[specialK]

CIC is the short format(dressage/xc/sj) and the CCI is the long format(traditional 3 day event) which includes roads and tracks and steeplechase both run onder FEI rules. My understanding is that CCI will no longer exist under FEI and the CCI will become a national event CCN...correct?

[snoopy]

CIC is the short format(dressage/xc/sj) and the CCI is the long format(traditional 3 day event) which includes roads and tracks and steeplechase both run onder FEI rules. My understanding is that CCI will no longer exist under FEI and the CCI will become a national event CCN...correct?




HMMMMMM........

[three_dayer]

I think that the distance and difficulty are a few of the differences(CCI is a bit harder, the CIC is a qualifier)...since there is no roads and tracks and steeplechase any more it is more or less a glorified horse trial..oh yea and there are two trot ups one before dressage and one before showjumping(CCI)...

[CookiePony]

CIC is the short format(dressage/xc/sj) and the CCI is the long format(traditional 3 day event) which includes roads and tracks and steeplechase both run onder FEI rules. My understanding is that CCI will no longer exist under FEI and the CCI will become a national event CCN...correct?


The CCI WAS the long (or "classic") format but is now only a short format per FEI rules. What were classic format CCIs are now going to be CCNs.

That is why snoopy said there wasn't much difference-- the CICs and CCIs are both short format now.

Snoopy, are you having fun? Go have fun with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73lNMmCr3hk

[myhorsecouldeatyours]

okay thanks guys im new to eventing going BN this spring so i really appreciate yall answering my silly questions :)

[snoopy]

The CCI WAS the long (or "classic") format but is now only a short format per FEI rules. What were classic format CCIs are now going to be CCNs.

That is why snoopy said there wasn't much difference-- the CICs and CCIs are both short format now.

Snoopy, are you having fun? Go have fun with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73lNMmCr3hk



Damn that Lex for lifting the veil.....

[snoopy]

okay thanks guys im new to eventing going BN this spring so i really appreciate yall answering my silly questions :)



It was NOT a silly question!!!! This is a great place to ask questions so please continue...oh and welcome to the board and the sport!!!
Snoopy is just in a silly mood...pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

[myhorsecouldeatyours]

It was NOT a silly question!!!! This is a great place to ask questions so please continue...oh and welcome to the board and the sport!!!
Snoopy is just in a silly mood...pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

haha thanks!! and i will, promise you that. :yes::lol::):

[deltawave]

A CIC is NOT the same thing as a short format CCI.

A CIC is a HORSE TRIAL held under FEI rules. There is an in-barn inspection by FEI vets but (usually) no first formal "jog up" before dressage. The dressage test is an FEI test. The cross country is (usually) the same distance as a horse trial. There is a final jog before SJ (or after XC if XC goes last).

A CCI short format is different from a CIC in that there IS a first formal horse inspection, the XC test is MUCH LONGER than a HT/CIC (although there are no phases A, B, and C) and there is a mandatory veterinary inspection after XC (as opposed to BEFORE XC in a CCI), along with the final horse inspection before SJ.

A CCI long format is like a CCI short format in terms of the inspections, dressage test, and length of the XC course, but you have your true "endurance" day including roads and tracks x 2 (phases A and C) and a steeplechase (phase B) with a mandatory veterinary inspection (10 minute box) between phase C and D, which is the real "XC".

A lot of us are very bitter about the demise of the long format/Classic format, hence the answers you've gotten. :) But there is still a difference (primarily in the length of the XC course) between a CIC and a CCI. If it sounds confusing, well, it is. :) But welcome all the same.

[CookiePony]

DW, thanks for your clear explanation in the midst of all this silliness.

To be totally clear, one might say: "before 2009, a CCI long format was like a CCI short format, but you have your true 'endurance' day, etc...." IOW, a classic-format CCI no longer exists.

snoopy, it's not Lex's fault, we were bound to find out eventually.

[deltawave]

A CCI long format was never like a CCI short format was never like a CIC, though. They've always been three entirely separate formats.

Just for instance, the XC track at the CIC* I did ages ago was 2400 meters, and the phase D/XC track at the (long format) CCI* I attempted to do :sigh: only 3 months later was approximately 4500 meters. BIG difference.

[CookiePony]

Yes, yes, I'm with you there-- I was just changing your wording (below) to the past tense, since there is no "is" with regard to long-format CCIs anymore. Does that make sense?


A CCI long format is like a CCI short format in terms of the inspections, dressage test, and length of the XC course, but you have your true "endurance" day including roads and tracks x 2 (phases A and C) and a steeplechase (phase B) with a mandatory veterinary inspection (10 minute box) between phase C and D, which is the real "XC".

[deltawave]

I refuse to accept your use of the past tense. :)

[myhorsecouldeatyours]

WOAHHHHH! haha that is amazing i really didnt know all of this.

so... why exactly do they have these CCIs and CICs?
for qualifiers? ...and what would you qualify for?

thanks again. :)

[deltawave]

Well, don't feel bad--I didn't figure any of this out until I'd been eventing about 5 years! And didn't really get into the nitty-gritty until I was actually thinking of moving up to Preliminary.

Basically all these "alphabet soup" divisions don't even come into play until you're riding at the Preliminary level or above. From BN through Training, it's just Horse Trials, although there are "three day events" (modeled on the traditional CCI) at Training level now. The CIC/CCI formats are a higher and more difficult level of competition, run under international (as opposed to USEF/USEA) rules and are a track that allows people to head towards international competition (Olympics, WEG, etc.).

To qualify for the CIC/CCIs, you need to compete successfully in a number of Horse Trials at the appropriate level (Preliminary for CIC*/CCI*, Intermediate for CIC**/CCI**, etc.) and have proper credentials for horse and rider from the FEI. It's kind of daunting to explain, and slightly less daunting to figure out once you're actually doing it--by the time you've evented for a few years, the rules begin to make sense. ;)

[CookiePony]

I refuse to accept your use of the past tense. :)

OK. Someone has to hold out hope. :cool:

[CookiePony]

If you are really curious about qualifications, you can read pages 18-20 of the 2009 FEI Rules for Eventing (http://www.fei.org/Disciplines/Eventing/Rules/Documents/2009%20Rules%20Eventing%20after%20GA08.pdf).

[Janet]

CIC runs Dressage-show jumping-cross country
CCI runs Dressage-cross country-show jumping

The heights are the same, but the distances and number of jumping efforts are slightly higher for a CCI.

Both CCI and CIC are International competitions, and require FEI credentials for both horse and rider.

CIC* and CCI* (Prelim) are qualifiers for CIC** and CCI** (Inermediate)
CIC** and CCI** are qualifiers for CIC*** and CCI***(Advanced)
CIC*** and CCI*** are qualifiers for CCI**** (Rolex, Olympics, ec.)

[deltawave]

CIC runs Dressage-show jumping-cross country

Not the ones I've ridden in and been to! Maybe you're thinking of the now-defunct Two Day Event?

[myhorsecouldeatyours]

oh okay i see eventing is so fun isnt it! haha :) i cant wait till im up there and when little girls google for my name(haha...high hopes).

thanks for all the help greatly appreciated :)

[myhorsecouldeatyours]

Not the ones I've ridden in and been to! Maybe you're thinking of the now-defunct Two Day Event?

Deltawave: what level do you event? you sound very knowledgeable. :)

[Janet]

Not the ones I've ridden in and been to! Maybe you're thinking of the now-defunct Two Day Event?
I went to recheck the rules.
CCI is always DR - XC - SJ
CIC can be EITHER DR - XC - SJ OR DR - SJ - XC
Sorry for the confusion.

[snoopy]

Deltawave: what level do you event? you sound very knowledgeable. :)



come on girl......

[deltawave]

Knowledgeable and good rider are not one and the same. :D Like I always tell my trainer, if eventing/riding was a multiple-choice exam, I'd be going to Rolex! :lol: I usually know the right answer in my head, but between there and the execution, well, there lies a vast gulf of mediocrity. :p

I have ridden as high as Preliminary/CCI*, but that was largely due to the amazing, wonderful schoolmistress horse I have, who is now retired. Currently with my homebred "baby" (who's rising 9, but will always be "my baby") I'm doing Novice and Training. If you glued my butt to the best four-star horse on earth I'd have no desire to go any higher than Prelim. :)

[myhorsecouldeatyours]

That is so true! You are certainly knowledgeable!
Your 9yr old sounds great good luck!

[Jazzy Lady]

I CIC is a chance for course designers to make courses look like magical fairy tales on acid and use and FEI designation to still call it a horse trials...

A CCI is much of the same but longer, with one more jog and more qualifications to get there...

[fooler]

I CIC is a chance for course designers to make courses look like magical fairy tales on acid and use and FEI designation to still call it a horse trials...




LOVE IT!!!

[WakeRider]

totally hijacking the thread for a second... I was just reading over the FEI qualifications

so....

If one had completed a CIC* two years ago (in early March 2007) and in 2009 wants to complete a CIC** in late March.... are you qualified? It says 'two calendar years' ? I'm assuming no?

[Jazzy Lady]

I believe it's not dated... so it doesn't go from month to month, or day to day. I believe you would still be qualified... although, if you've done an intermediate ht with qualifying results, that's all you need for a CIC**. You can do a CIC** without ever doing an intermediate, but I wouldn't suggest it.

[WakeRider]

I believe it's not dated... so it doesn't go from month to month, or day to day. I believe you would still be qualified... although, if you've done an intermediate ht with qualifying results, that's all you need for a CIC**. You can do a CIC** without ever doing an intermediate, but I wouldn't suggest it.

Now that is scary!