Tell me about Rosenthal and his offspring **Pix of mare added!**

[SweetLatte]

Since I'm unfamiliar with Rosenthal's bloodlines (or most Hanovarian lines,) I'm interested in your opinions on Rosenthal's breeding. What are his lines known for? Does anyone know of or own any of his offspring? If so, what are they like?

[skatepixie]

There is a poster here who had 2 or 3 of his babies last year. I believe she is away on vacation, though...

[eggbutt]

Rosenthal is by Rubinstein....arguably one of the finest sport horse stallions today. This "R" line is very strong and popular, producing strong dressage candidates. (Rotspon is Rosenthal's half brother.) Do a google search on Rubinstein offspring to see the influence he has on his foals as well as the success of his offspring.

When I'm "stallion searching" I ALWAYS look for Rubinstein somewhere in the pedigree and go from there.

Personally I think Rosenthal is a very nice stallion for dressage consideration. I suspect he crosses well with a variety of mares.

[Iron Horse Farm]

Our Rosenthal colt sold before weaning at full asking price.

[Cold Spring Farm]

If this is SweetLatte the Arabian person....know that he crosses VERY well with Arabs. If you go to the Oldenburg Horse Breeding Society website, under "Success" (or is it news?) and go into the "shows" section....there is a shot of my two-year old half-arab Rosenthal gelding at SHN (TT -- 3rd in class). He is just a wonderful, fun horse with loads of personality and talent. There is also a shot somewhere on there of RosEbony, another half-arab Rosenthal filly who was Res. Grand Champion at a USDF Breeders show.

Another friend of mine has a very lovely half-arab Rosenthal filly...photo of her belod, a month or so after she was backed.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Sportyhorse/-1.jpg

[AlexMakowski]

I have a rosenthal filly from last year out of my tb mare. we were so pleased with the cross that we bred back. there are pictures on the link in my profile. Although she did not go premium (ran arounf like a bat out of hell, not trot, haha) she recieved great compliments, especially on her topline. I love his foals, you can pick them out of a crowd. You should read the article they wrote about him in last year Oldenburg Mag. its says a lot.

[not again]

To the original poster: Is Rosenthal a Hanoverian or an Oldenburg? What are his breeding licenses?

[jlmckinley]

Rosenthal's lines are: RUBINSTEIN / KARON / WOERMANN

He is approved with the GOV (through his dressage scores because of an injury before/during (can't remember) 100dt - there is probably a thread somewhere on that).

I've visited HP a few times and Rosenthal has an amazing presence. He's known to stamp his foal's front ends (head, neck, topline). The Rubenstein line is definitely also known for rideability.

http://wwwarmbloods.com/highpoint/rosenthal.php

[SweetLatte]

As an amatuer, rideability and temperament are a huge consideration in a horse. I've heard great things about his half-Arabian crosses (the reason for my interest.)

HIs foals certainly have a "look" to them from pictures. Just gorgeous :yes:

[genevieveg17]

I had three Rosenthal foals last year.
Risque - She is a carbon copy of her dam Delimain (Diamont/Prinz Gaylord)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alG8j46KOzo

Ransom - renamed Riscatto. Definitely not the typical Rosenthal which really surprised me since his dam Suerte has always had very pretty, typey foal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9rktEezF7Q&feature=related

Ricochet - Nice colt out of a SWB mare Beija Flor (LA Baltic Inspiration/Zorn)
This colt can jump!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgDE_cAyfb8&feature=related

[Ladybug Hill]

Ransom - renamed Riscatto. Definitely not the typical Rosenthal which really surprised me since his dam Suerte has always had very pretty, typey foal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9rktEezF7Q&feature=related


That video is awesome Genevieve! LOL He sure has a mind of his own doesn't he?

If I had not watched her foal with my own eyes, I would be asking you why you waited until he was a yearling to wean! What a tank! He is as big as Suerte! I really like his look but definitely not the typical Rosenthal. I would love to see him at 4--I think he is going to be nice.

[genevieveg17]

He definitely had the llama look as a weanling but I really think once he matures he will be a nice 4 or 5 y.o.
He is going to be a prancy horse. Not a hunter bone in that big old gangly body!
I really thought that Suerte would have produced something totally opposite of Ransom with Rosenthal. Goes to show what I know!!

[Ladybug Hill]

I didn't see a llama. I thought he was a handsome boy. Just huge!

Thank god you can't see mine right now. :lol: Drowned rat would be a good description for mine right now!

[willie6]

Rosenthal is a fantastic stallion. We have a 2007 filly out of a MMB thoroughbred mare that has impecable conformation, great disposition and is detined to be a real performance horse. Her dam was bred back to Rosenthal for this year and will likely go back to him again. All the stallions at HP Hanoverians are quite nice and I wouldn't hesitate to breed to any of them, Rosenthal just happens to be the right nick for this mare. Rachelrae was a premium at her weanling inspection this past July and we're looking forward to this year's foal. We have a chestnut mare that, if she's not sold prior to this spring , will likely be bred to Furst Impression.

[Horsecrazy27]

I have always loved him! He is a lovely boy!

[horselifer88]

I had three Rosenthal foals last year.
Risque - She is a carbon copy of her dam Delimain (Diamont/Prinz Gaylord)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alG8j46KOzo



Wow, I am very impressed by this filly! I really, really like her. Did someone already snatch her up?

[genevieveg17]

horselifer - Thank you. I was very happy with her and yes, she is sold. She is a very nice filly.

[dressage72]

I have a coming 4 yr old Rosenthal gelding whom I would never sell.....in a million years......for any amount of money!

NEVER!

The most gorgeous head I have ever seen on a horse, the kindest eye.....and he is an unmistakable Rosenthal (I just wish he had gotten his sire's LUXURIOUS tail!)

I can spot a Rosenthal a mile away! He has had many successful offspring at the breed shows and Reiner K by Rosenthal owned by Terry Smith won at Devon this year I think in his materiale? Correct me if I'm wrong on the class there Terry! :) First offspring's are now kicking butt as riding horses and not just in the breed classes! :)

Terry bred my gorgeous boy, and also bred a coming 4 year old (by Rosenthal) out of the dam I own now, that won Morven park etc, as a yearling.

For temperament, elegance AND performance, one just cannot beat a Rosenthal.

Not biased am I?

;)

[Dressage_Diva333]

A friend of mine suggested Rosenthal my for my Royal Appearance/ Grannus mare today, and I've been thinking, that might not be a bad idea. The things she definitely needs improvement on are her walk, and her head. She has a rather nice canter, and a nice trot. She's got a great temperament as well. Although I worry about size, she's 17 hands.

She is currently in foal to Rubino Bellissimo, and I've always loved the Rubinstein line. Unfortunately this RB foal will be her first foal (I'm hoping for a keeper filly!), so I can't say how she produces :/

Any info would be greatly appreciated! I'll get a good conformation shot of her tomorrow and post it.

Here are some pix of my girl, taken today :)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm271/Dressage-Forever/036.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm271/Dressage-Forever/020.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm271/Dressage-Forever/026.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm271/Dressage-Forever/001.jpg

[hessy35]

A friend of mine suggested Rosenthal my for my Royal Appearance/ Grannus mare today, and I've been thinking, that might not be a bad idea. The things she definitely needs improvement on are her walk, and her head. She has a rather nice canter, and a nice trot. She's got a great temperament as well. Although I worry about size, she's 17 hands.

She is currently in foal to Rubino Bellissimo, and I've always loved the Rubinstein line. Unfortunately this RB foal will be her first foal (I'm hoping for a keeper filly!), so I can't say how she produces :/

Any info would be greatly appreciated! I'll get a good conformation shot of her tomorrow and post it.

Rosthenal is refined and it would be fine for size (to a 17h mare). Most of his foals are Med height not 17hands, even when bred to large mares. He's a stunner in person. You should go see him.

[STF]

All the pics I see of his babies, out of many different types of mares, are all elegant, prettty and refined looking. Mind you, based on pics. But all of them are stunning looking.

[not again]

Why wouldn't you go back to Rubino Bellissimo? He has a great pedigree and performance record. (I always like to get siblings to really compare what a stallion produces with my mare. Maybe that is just me though....)

[genevieveg17]

I bred 3 mares to Rosenthal in 2006.
Suerte (Trak) had a huge black colt. Not at all refined. He was a handsome colt who I am sure will be a great looking 3 y.o. but he had so much bone, a bit of an unfortunate head that he never would have been classified as a pretty baby. He was a fabulous mover (dressage). Suerte had been a very consistant producer up until Ransom (the Rosenthal) of having very typey, pretty foals.

Beija Flor (Swedish) had a solid bay colt. He was refined, very pretty, huntery.

Delimain (Diamont x Prinz Gaylord) had a fabulous bay filly with white. She is a big girl, 16.1 as a yearling. She has been very successful in the hunter breeding ring.

There are photos on my site.

[Kyzteke]

I bred 3 mares to Rosenthal in 2006.
Suerte (Trak) had a huge black colt. Not at all refined. He was a handsome colt who I am sure will be a great looking 3 y.o. but he had so much bone, a bit of an unfortunate head that he never would have been classified as a pretty baby. He was a fabulous mover (dressage). Suerte had been a very consistant producer up until Ransom (the Rosenthal) of having very typey, pretty foals.

Beija Flor (Swedish) had a solid bay colt. He was refined, very pretty, huntery.

Delimain (Diamont x Prinz Gaylord) had a fabulous bay filly with white. She is a big girl, 16.1 as a yearling. She has been very successful in the hunter breeding ring.

There are photos on my site.

What sort of movement would you say Beija Flor & Delimain had -- more huntery or dressage? In other words, would you say Rosenthal improved the movement or not? Did you get (the type of movement) you were hoping for or not?

And I have a question: you said Suerte's colt had "so much bone," like it's a bad thing. Coming from breeds who purposely "refined" till they realized they had bred the bone (and soundness) right out of the horses, I never consider "bone" to be a bad thing.

Can you explain what you are talking about exactly? Of course, I understand about the coarse head...I wouldn't expect that from Suerte either (I remember when Marion O. first got her...)...but sometimes the matches you think are going to do so well backfire.

I guess that's the nature of horsebreeding, isn't it?

Feel free to PM me if you'd rather.

[Signature]

We bred two mares to him and had two fillies in 2007. His semen was fabulous and Angela is awesome to work with as always. He is a very popular and well-liked stallion and I've always heard great things about the foals.

As far as personal experience, ours was similar to Genevieve's. One foal was porcelain doll pretty, just stunning, not very big, out of a Rapport/Franat Holsteiner mare. The other filly was huge, heavy boned, not a good head, worse than the stallion or the mare, who was Ideal/Argentinus/Gepard and has an ok but not typey head. It is odd because her previous and subsequent foals have been nothing like this one. But that is how the genetic roll of the dice goes sometimes! :) However, both fillies had wonderful temperaments and were good movers (particularly the big filly, but mom moved good). Sometimes the "big horse" foals aren't pretty as babies but then blossom later though it seems. i am looking forward to pictures of her as a coming 2 yo. However, the fillies were so different you could not even tell they were related. Here is a picture of their heads and you can see how much larger the filly is on the right:

http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/6257/2595278890100676939S600x600Q85.jpg


Likewise I've searched equine.com and dreamhorse.com to see different offspring out there, and they've ranged from simply breathtaking to not so attractive - BUT, of course, the mare is 50% of the equation which must be heavily considered. However, based on the produce record of our mare which had the heavier/large foal also I would say it was more likely from the stallion? The mare with the pretty foal produces doll-pretty foals each year so it's hard to say. We would certainly repeat the cross with her though! I would not hesitate to use him again on the right mare but I would not call the beautiful head a guarantee. (as if you can guarantee anything in breeding LOL)

[tri]

I've often wondered about Rosenthal as a sire for hunters. It will be interesting to see if a bunch of them end up there.

[genevieveg17]

What sort of movement would you say Beija Flor & Delimain had -- more huntery or dressage? In other words, would you say Rosenthal improved the movement or not? Did you get (the type of movement) you were hoping for or not?

And I have a question: you said Suerte's colt had "so much bone," like it's a bad thing. Coming from breeds who purposely "refined" till they realized they had bred the bone (and soundness) right out of the horses, I never consider "bone" to be a bad thing.

Can you explain what you are talking about exactly? Of course, I understand about the coarse head...I wouldn't expect that from Suerte either (I remember when Marion O. first got her...)...but sometimes the matches you think are going to do so well backfire.

I guess that's the nature of horsebreeding, isn't it?

Feel free to PM me if you'd rather.


I do not consider Ransom's bone to be a bad thing just did not make for a pretty foal, thats all. His owner is very happy with him and I am confident when he grows into himself he will be an attractive horse. When breeding to Rosenthal I was expecting the typey, pretty foals that I saw on his website. I would say Beija's colt was refined and pretty. He was/is very flat kneed. He was one you could just imagine winning the hack because he had such natural hunter movement.
Risque (Delimain's filly) is a carbon copy of her dam. It is hard to say what she got from Rosenthal since she is so similar to Della. Risque is also very huntery and has shown a lot of natural ability for jumping. Since she was little she would enjoy jumping anything and everything she could find.
All three had very easy going temperaments. They were bright and easy to work with.
I may breed Della back to Rosenthal. I am waiting to see her Escudo I foal that is coming in a few months (ok - May of '09 but it seems like it is just around the corner!) before I make any final breeding plans for her.

[STF]

Suerte (Trak) had a huge black colt. Not at all refined. He was a handsome colt who I am sure will be a great looking 3 y.o. but he had so much bone, a bit of an unfortunate head that he never would have been classified as a pretty baby. He was a fabulous mover (dressage). Suerte had been a very consistant producer up until Ransom (the Rosenthal) of having very typey, pretty foals.


I had Sabine (Suerte full sister), she did NOT throw pretty heads either. :( No matter what she was bred to! :lol:

[genevieveg17]

STF - Suerte had consistantly thrown good, pretty heads up until the Rosenthal (5 previous foals)

[Hocus Focus]

Based on a brief meeting.....Genevieve's mare Beja Flor is rather lovely. All her mares are nice but there was a little something about her that spoke to me more. Like everyone, we all have our preferences and a couple of hours at a farm is not enough to know any one horse over another. Just an impression.

Not to get off topic, but I am sure her Rosenthal would be special and was that not her first foal, Genevieve?

[Kyzteke]

Hmmmm -- I see what you mean about Ransom's head. Good thing he's a guy <g>.

Well, I guess I should prepare to be disappointed then.

My mare is in foal to Rosenthal for '09. She is by Rubino Bellisimo o/o a Batido mare. Rubino himself has a lovely head, but the mare got her head from the dam's side -- all had these rather large, plain heads. The mare herself has these L-O-N-G ears and a long face (although she is my darling, but....).

She has two foals, one by Goldmaker and one by Sempatico. Neither had little Arab heads, but were still quality. In fact the Sempatico colt won his very large foal inspection, was graded Gold Premium and finished in the top 20 of the NATION for RPSI that year. And that's out of some 400-500 foals.

Well, if I have to give up one thing, I can certainly give up the head. Can't ride the head. I'd rather have good legs, bone, feet, etc. + movement than a pretty head attached to a so-so body.

Of course, it's nice to get EVERYTHING...but we can't be greedy, can we? Glad to see this thread -- then I won't be shocked.

[Kyzteke]

Here is my Rubino Bellisamo daughter (currently in foal to Rosenthal) with her Sempatico foal -- you can see that her head is not exactly petite, nor was his.

BTW, the first part is just for fun -- you can FF to around 1:30 minutes for the liberty footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UdD_TFISwo

[siegi b.]

The "not so refined head" comes from Rubinstein.... There are other pretty Rubinstein sons that occasionally produce a not so nice head, i. e. OO Seven.

[fsf]

I think you'll find WAY more beautiful Rosenthal foals out there than ugly ones, and as someone else said - the genetics dice sometimes rolls "funny".

[genevieveg17]

I think you'll find WAY more beautiful Rosenthal foals out there than ugly ones, and as someone else said - the genetics dice sometimes rolls "funny".

Ugly? That's harsh.

[STF]

STF - Suerte had consistantly thrown good, pretty heads up until the Rosenthal (5 previous foals)


Much better than her sister. Sabine was 3 of 3 with big clunky heads. :(

[willie6]

We have had 2 Rosenthal foals out of our MMB thoroughbred mare, both of which went Premium at their inspections. The first, a filly of 07, won her class at Devon in May and was reserve Best Yearling. Rachelrae has a beautiful head, great neck and shoulder, and moves extremely well. She also won her class at the Oldenburg Horse Show in September ( Suitable to become a Hunter) with great comments from the German judges. She was also 2nd in the Suitable to become a Dressage horse at that same show. The colt of 08, a full brother, has a similar neck and shoulder, great athletic movement, although not the baby doll head of his sister, but by no means a bad head. Razmatazz should mature to close to 17 hands, while Rachelrae will likely mature to about 16.1 or 16.2. The dam, Good Angel, is bred again to Rosenthal for 09 so you can tell we're partial to this nick.
As someone else mentioned, Angela, Klaus and the rest of the team at High Point are great to work with. The rest of her stallions are very nice as well and we're considering breeding another mare to either De Laurentis, Furst Impression or Sinatra Song in 09. Rosenthal is definitely my favorite. Good luck with your choice

[Dressage_Diva333]

Wow, thanks for all the responses!

Here are a couple of confo pix from today:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm271/Dressage-Forever/036.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm271/Dressage-Forever/020.jpg


What does everybody think?

[arizonard]

Nice looking girl Dressage Diva. I don't mind her head at all.

I have seen many Rosenthal foals with the beautiful, refined heads and a handful with a very plain, but not unfortunate, head. I would have to agree that more of them do seem to get that lovely head.

I think he is a good match for your girl; even if he doesn't improve the head.

[Sunny's Mom]

Can someone link me his site? I like his arabian crosses.

[Edgewood]

www.hphanoverians.com (http://www.hphanoverians.com)

[Amoroso]

I love Rosenthal and he is on my stallion list for the future. However, I was very taken with the new stallion at Dreamscape Farm, Rubinus, who is a Rubinstein son as well. He has a fantastic canter and walk which was a big plus for me, and I could easily get video of him....which I haven't been able to do with Rosenthal.

[Bellfleur]

All of the Rosenthal foals I have gotten no matter the mare have had beautiful heads! My Feiner Graf / Lungau mare had an old style head (ok Big) with big floppy ears. No one who has seen her son by Rosenthal has ever said he has anything other than a stunning head in addition to 3 outstanding gaits.

My latest Rosenthal mare (coming 4) to start has a gorgeous head which only matches the rest of her - at her mare inspection she received a 7.9 and was just pulled out of the field!

The German trainers comment on her overall was "THIS IS ONE FOR THE BIG RING". Needless to say I was thrilled to hear this about this mare esp coming from a German GP rider and trainer! She is the entire package and with a disposition anyone could ride. Plus she is exceptionally comfortable.

In addition to beautiful heads he can be pretty much depended upon to produced beautiful minds and temperaments. Plus so far they all seem to be able to jump quiet well too. he all seem to have easy uphill balanced canters and super ground covering walks.

I love Rosenthal!!!

The link to his web page is http://www.hphanoverians.com/rosenthal.php

[Kyzteke]

All of the Rosenthal foals I have gotten no matter the mare have had beautiful heads! My Feiner Graf / Lungau mare had an old style head (ok Big) with big floppy ears. No one who has seen her son by Rosenthal has ever said he has anything other than a stunning head in addition to 3 outstanding gaits.

My latest Rosenthal mare (coming 4) to start has a gorgeous head which only matches the rest of her - at her mare inspection she received a 7.9 and was just pulled out of the field!

In addition to beautiful heads he can be pretty much depended upon to produced beautiful minds and temperaments. Plus so far they all seem to be able to jump quiet well too. he all seem to have easy uphill balanced canters and super ground covering walks.


Well, this makes me feel better about my choice...I have a Rosenthal foal coming in '09 (see the 'Rubinstein -- who saw him "In Person"' thread on this board).

[Amoroso]

Well, this makes me feel better about my choice...I have a Rosenthal foal coming in '09 (see the 'Rubinstein -- who saw him "In Person"' thread on this board).

Kyzteke - you keep second guessing yourself and then making yourself feel better....don't worry I'm sure your Rosenthal baby will be nice :D

[Kyzteke]

Kyzteke - you keep second guessing yourself and then making yourself feel better....don't worry I'm sure your Rosenthal baby will be nice :D

Amoroso -- well, I was hoping for better than just "nice..." <g>.

But of course you are right -- we get what we get. It's been a long time since I've been this excited about a coming foal, and that can be a dangerous place to be...you know, higher expectations and all....

July is SUCH a long way off.....

[willie6]

For those of you who have come on this forum asking about the disposition and rideability of Rosenthal offspring I have a very biased opinion. I just started to work our 2 year old Rosenthal filly (Rachelrae) in a bitting harness and on a lounge line 3 days ago. She is already working like a horse that has been in this regimen for 6 weeks. She learns very quickly and has not made the first stupid move. This filly is out of a TB mare and has a very classic hunter way of moving. Her disposition is excellent and she moves very, very well. She did well with limited showing last year "on the line" in the hunter breeding division. I believe she is absolutely the best we've ever owned. We did sell her 2008 full brother as a weanling to an excellent horseman from New York and he e-mailed me the other day indicating how pleased that he was with the athleticism of this colt. The best part is the mare is back in foal to Rosenthal for this year. I know I'm rambling, but I just can't get over how good this filly really is and I want to let everyone know what Rosenthal produces. Good foaling to everyone.

[Signature]

We had two Rosenthal foals in 2007. Both had wonderful temperaments and one was particularly beautiful. They were super easy to handle and the "pretty one" was unbelievable, completely trusting and a total pleaser. She was outstanding. They obviously aren't quite old enough to be under saddle yet but just due to what we saw, we would use him again!! :)

[LockeMeadows]

I have a Rosenthal colt right now who is just plain easy. He was starving when we purchased him, but is now looking like a little butter ball. In fact, I clipped him this week and said uh-oh, we need to cut back on his grain! He had never been body clipped, but stood like a champ. Of course, he has his naughty moments, but they are few and far in between. The more I look at this colt, the more I really, really like him. Of course, he went Premium at his GOV inspection, so other people liked him too.

[Cold Spring Farm]

My coming 4-yr-old gelding is a creampuff!

VERY smart, can be a little reactive, but I do attribute that to his Arab dam.

He was just backed and I rode him the other day in gale-force winds and he was wonderful.

This past weekend I rode him as my husband was harrowing the front pasture. The harrow was noisy, the young horses were tearing around, full-bore, bucking and leaping...just alot going on and he was quite easy to keep focused on his work. Hubby then moved to a far back pasture where the tractor couldn't always be seen -- and he suddenly crested the hill and the mares came tearing up from another hill and again, my guy looked and watched and went right back to work.

He is 16.1, gorgeous, incredible canter, and is always wanting to be right next to you, ears up, really tuned in to what you are doing. Just a really fun horse and a real character!

[willie6]

It's difficult not to be excited about a stallion when you hear so many good things about the minds and work ethic of Rosenthal's babies. Lord knows we've had our share of nut cases from other stallions. Of course, we breed more focused toward the hunter/jumper market, but when you see what Rosenthal produces from TB, Arab, and other crosses, you have to believe that he is an exceptional sire. After all, Rachelrae was Reserve Best Yearling at the Devon Horse Show and that was what we were working for. Years ago we bred several mares to the TB stallion Quarterpenny with a nomber of outstanding babies that also placed well at Devon, but none with the overall quality of Rachelrae.

[Jesse'sMom]

I dont know yet, But i am SUPER Excited about my Rosenthal foal due in a few weeks!!!!!

[Kyzteke]

I have a Rosenthal foal due in June o/o my Rubino Bellisamo/Batido mare and I can hardily wait (yes, the foal will be linebred to Rubinstein I). !! I hear so many good things about this sire and the disposition of his babies....my mare has a super easy disposition as well, so I'm figuring this foal is a shoo-in for being my "old lady" dressage horse when it grows up.

Can't wait!

[Kyzteke]

I have a Rosenthal colt right now who is just plain easy. He was starving when we purchased him, but is now looking like a little butter ball. In fact, I clipped him this week and said uh-oh, we need to cut back on his grain! He had never been body clipped, but stood like a champ. Of course, he has his naughty moments, but they are few and far in between. The more I look at this colt, the more I really, really like him. Of course, he went Premium at his GOV inspection, so other people liked him too.

I'm so glad your little guy is doing well and you were there to save him. I bet you got the deal of a lifetime! Wish I'd been closer (I'm on the other end of the country).

Do you have new pics?

[tri]

I've always wondered if Rosenthal would end up being a good sire for hunters and the more I see of his offspring, the more I think that.

[Kyzteke]

I've always wondered if Rosenthal would end up being a good sire for hunters and the more I see of his offspring, the more I think that.

Yes, alot depends on the mare, I think. My mare is dressage bred (and moves) 100% dressage, so I'm hoping more for that if it's a filly.

If it's a colt....doesn't matter. It will be for the market; any market.

[BELLA1]

I HAVE CONSIDERED BREEDING MY WELTMEYER MARE TO ROSENTHAL AND WONDERED IF ANY OF YOU HAVE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THAT CROSS.

[Kyzteke]

I HAVE CONSIDERED BREEDING MY WELTMEYER MARE TO ROSENTHAL AND WONDERED IF ANY OF YOU HAVE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THAT CROSS.

There are tons of W/R crosses out there. You would be hard pressed to find a modern dressage horse without W, R and/or D lines, so I would think they would cross well.

But of course alot depends on the individuals involved. I chose Rosenthal for my mare because I LOVE the Rubinsteins, but also because I thought he might improve my mare in several areas -- better butt, shorter back, prettier head, longer legs.

We'll see.

[Cold Spring Farm]

There are tons of W/R crosses out there. You would be hard pressed to find a modern dressage horse without W, R and/or D lines, so I would think they would cross well.

But of course alot depends on the individuals involved. I chose Rosenthal for my mare because I LOVE the Rubinsteins, but also because I thought he might improve my mare in several areas -- better butt, shorter back, prettier head, longer legs.

We'll see.

Will be looking forward to seeing pics of your baby!

I actually wanted an Arab/WB cross and it took me two years to find the right mare, and then I had to wait for her to mature -- and during that time I was stallion shopping and found Rosenthal. The mare is barely 15 hands and has a nice canter...better than the averag Arab, but I wanted to improve on it even more.

The result of breeding this mare to Rosenthal is now almost 16.1 and still looks like he has some growing to do. Rosenthal did add length of leg --Renssalaer is VERY leggy -- and Rosenthal definitely strengthened the loin connection. My boy has a short back and is REALLY built uphill. He is just a big meatball -- we call him "Willy" because the one human he reminds us all of is Will Ferrell.

Anyhow -- this is him last year....
http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=24371&stc=1&d=1236904493

[Kyzteke]

Will be looking forward to seeing pics of your baby!

I actually wanted an Arab/WB cross and it took me two years to find the right mare, and then I had to wait for her to mature -- and during that time I was stallion shopping and found Rosenthal. The mare is barely 15 hands and has a nice canter...better than the averag Arab, but I wanted to improve on it even more.

The result of breeding this mare to Rosenthal is now almost 16.1 and still looks like he has some growing to do. Rosenthal did add length of leg --Renssalaer is VERY leggy -- and Rosenthal definitely strengthened the loin connection. My boy has a short back and is REALLY built uphill. He is just a big meatball -- we call him "Willy" because the one human he reminds us all of is Will Ferrell.

Anyhow -- this is him last year....
http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=24371&stc=1&d=1236904493

Oooooo.....VERY, very nice!! My mare's sire (Rubino Bellisamo) is rather short coupled and has a great loin connection (AND a pretty head), but my mare did not get much of these characteristics. However, it seems when I breed her to a stallion with these characteristics, it does come out (and least it has twice so far).

Not sure about the leggy part -- I haven't bred her to a real leggy stallion yet, and that is not "back there somewhere." So it will be up to Rosenthal completely on that one. As for the head -- god love my mare -- she is THE sweetest thing on the planet, but to put it nicely...she has gotten FAR more than her share in the ear department and her head is plain (and that's putting it politely). So I'm hoping for that Caprimond head.

Of course, I am very interested in seeing what the line breeding to Rubinstein I will produce...I sort of feel like a mad scientist.

Your foal is very, very lovely....how old was he in that photo? What is the breeding of the mare? I have some nice Arab mares, but not sure they would fit him.

[BELLA1]

There are tons of W/R crosses out there. You would be hard pressed to find a modern dressage horse without W, R and/or D lines, so I would think they would cross well.

But of course alot depends on the individuals involved. I chose Rosenthal for my mare because I LOVE the Rubinsteins, but also because I thought he might improve my mare in several areas -- better butt, shorter back, prettier head, longer legs.

We'll see.

That is pretty much the same reason I had for wanting to breed him to my mare -- shorter back, prettier head, length of leg and a little more refinement as she is a heavier girl (she already has a nice butt). She is also a little hot but absolutely a sweetheart, so while kind and gentle can be a handful at times. I've looked at the R line (particularly Rotspon) for temperament and when I discovered Rosenthal I fell in love and he actually seems like he would compliment her more than Rotspon in other ways. I think the match would be outstanding, but I wanted to hear some more opinions and possibly see some pictures of what others had produced with similar crosses.

[Jesse'sMom]

I always loved rosenthal..
I am excited my first Rosenthal foal arrived 3/11..
loaded with chrome & cute as can be!

[Jesse'sMom]

I havent seen a bad looking Rosenthal yet, all I have seen are really nice looking, I think he is just such a nice stallion

[Jesse'sMom]

I just had my Rosenthal born 3/11.. a colt loaded with chrome! ~LOVE HIM!~

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[Kyzteke]

I always loved rosenthal..
I am excited my first Rosenthal foal arrived 3/11..
loaded with chrome & cute as can be!

Please post photos -- and I'd love to hear more about your mare's pedigree.

[hessy35]

I just had my Rosenthal born 3/11.. a colt loaded with chrome! ~LOVE HIM!~

Wow! Most Rosenthals don't have much chrome! Lucky duck! :)

[hessy35]

All of the Rosenthal foals I have gotten no matter the mare have had beautiful heads! My Feiner Graf / Lungau mare had an old style head (ok Big) with big floppy ears. No one who has seen her son by Rosenthal has ever said he has anything other than a stunning head in addition to 3 outstanding gaits.

My latest Rosenthal mare (coming 4) to start has a gorgeous head which only matches the rest of her - at her mare inspection she received a 7.9 and was just pulled out of the field!

The German trainers comment on her overall was "THIS IS ONE FOR THE BIG RING". Needless to say I was thrilled to hear this about this mare esp coming from a German GP rider and trainer! She is the entire package and with a disposition anyone could ride. Plus she is exceptionally comfortable.

In addition to beautiful heads he can be pretty much depended upon to produced beautiful minds and temperaments. Plus so far they all seem to be able to jump quiet well too. he all seem to have easy uphill balanced canters and super ground covering walks.

I love Rosenthal!!!

The link to his web page is http://www.hphanoverians.com/rosenthal.php

It's that strong Trak bloodline he has... All beautiful heads...

[avadog]

It's that strong Trak bloodline he has... All beautiful heads...

Having seen a few Rosenthals I wouldn't say "all" beautiful heads. Maybe many beautiful heads.

[hessy35]

Having seen a few Rosenthals I wouldn't say "all" beautiful heads. Maybe many beautiful heads.

I meant the Trak line has all beautiful heads... Caprimond..etc.

[busybee]

Yes, I agree.

[sniplover]

My friend has a rosenthal filly (almost a yearling) who has 3 white socks and the cutest blaze ever out of a almost solid TB mare (has like 1/4 coronet band on one heel). So he does throw bling occasionally :)