Wynton Foal Report (in dutch)

[TreadstoneFarm]

I found a PDF of the dutch IDS and here is a copied foal report of Wynton:
(someone please help translating, online translators really suck at this)

Collectie uniforme, ruim voldoende
ontwikkelde veulens die ruim voldoende in het rechthoeksmodel staan, maar
iets beknopt aandoen in de voorhand.
De draf is actief, voldoende van ruimte
met een achterbeen dat actief wordt
gebogen. Een aantal veulens zouden in
draf meer met de schoft omhoog
moeten bewegen. Het gebruik van het
voorbeen is goed.
De veulens galopperen makkelijk aan.
In galop zouden ze meer lichaamsgebruik moeten hebben
Collectie uniforme, ruim voldoende ontwikkelde veulens die ruim voldoende in het
rechthoeksmodel staan, maar iets beknopt
aandoen in de voorhand.
Het hoofd is sprekend.
De nek is matig van lengte.
De hals is goed van vorm en bespiering,
maar zou meer lengte moeten hebben.
De schoft is ruim voldoende van lengte en
ontwikkeling.
De schouder is voldoende van lengte en
voldoende van ligging.
De rug is ruim voldoende van lengte, meer-
dere malen gezonken en goed van bespie-
ring.
De lendenen zijn goed van bespiering en
goed aangesloten.
De croupe is voldoende van lengte, licht
hellend en goed van bespiering.
De broekspier zou langer door moeten lopen.
Het voorbeen is ruim voldoende van lengte
en frans gesteld.
Het achterbeen is meermalen lang en
sabelbenig.
Het fundament is ruim voldoende ontwikkeld en goed van kwaliteit.
De stap is voldoende van ruimte, maar mist
wat souplesse.
De draf is actief, voldoende van ruimte met
een achterbeen dat actief wordt gebogen.
Een aantal veulens zou in draf meer met de
schoft omhoog moeten bewegen. Het
gebruik van het voorbeen is goed.
De veulens galopperen makkelijk aan. In
galop zouden ze meer lichaamsgebruik
moeten hebben.
Fok-/ aanparingsadvies:
Het fokadvies is gebaseerd op het verrich-
tingsonderzoek en de veulenbeoordeling.
Wynton kan de houding en beentechniek
verbeteren. De merries moeten een onge-
compliceerd karakter hebben en lengte in
de voorhand.
Bijzonderheden:
De collectie bestond uit 20 door het
KWPN aangewezen veulens waarvan er
twee afwezig waren en vijf door de eigenaar
geselecteerde veulens. De beide
afwezige veulens zijn thuis geinspecteerd. Een thuis geinspecteerd veulen past in
het beeld van de rapportage en een is
alleen op stand beoordeeld vanwege een
blessure. Dit veulen past wat betreft
model in het beeld van de rapportage. De
door de eigenaar geselecteerde veulens
wijken in positieve zin af van de rapportage wat betreft lichaamshouding in bewe-
ging. De veulens werden gepresenteerd op
een zandbodem.
De kwaliteit van de moeders was gemiddeld.

[STF]

Well that was helpful! :lol:

That would be like me posting something in Swede here!

[Tasker]

Courtesy of FreeTranslation.com (so some of the words are incorrect...this is a general gist of what it says...)

Collection uniform, more than sufficient developed foals, that stand more than sufficient in the rectangles model, but something briefly put on in the forehand.

The trot is asset,
sufficient of space with an achterbeen that asset is bowed.
A number of foals will want to must move in more with the scoundrel upwards.
The use of the furrow bone is good.
The foals gallop easily on. In gallop, they ought to have put on more bodies use
Collection uniform, more than sufficient developed foals, that stand more than sufficient in the rectangles model, but something briefly in the forehand.
The head is talking.
The necks is moderate of length.
The necks is good of form and bespiering, but more length should
have.
The scoundrels is more than sufficient of length and development.
The shoulders is sufficient of length and sufficient of location.
The backs is more than sufficient harm
sunk of length, more times and ring good of bespie-.
The loins its good of bespiering and good connected.
The croupe is sufficient sloped by length, light and good by bespiering.
The pant muscle should walk longer through.
The furrow bone is more than sufficient stolen by length and french.
The achterbeen is several times long and sabelbenig.
The foundationis more than sufficient developed and good by quality.
The steps is sufficient of space, but what misses souplesse.
The trot is asset, sufficient of space with an achterbeen that
asset is bowed.
A number of foals will want to must move in more with the scoundrel upwards.
The use of the furrow bone is good. The foals gallop easily on. In gallop, they ought
to have more bodies use.
Breed-/ aanparingsadvies: The fokadvies has been based on the verrich- tingsonderzoek and the foal criticism.
Wynton can the attitude and bone techniques
improve.

The mares must have an onge- compliceerd character and length in the forehand.

Details: The collection consisted indicated of 20 by the KWPN foals of which there were two absentee and five by the owner of selected foal. The both absent foals its home inspected. A home inspected foal justest in the image of the report and an is alone on position judged because of a blessure. This foal justest what concerned exemplarily in the image of the report.

The through the owner selected foal districts in positive sense off of the
report what concerned bodies attitude in bewe- went. of. The foals were presented on a sand bottom. The qualities of the mothers was average.

[TreadstoneFarm]

That is the translator I used as well. It gives you the gist of the report but the more interesting details are difficult to figure out. I know we have some dutch speaking people on the board, maybe somebody will help.

[Tornado Run Farm]

Yes, I'd like to know what "The head is talking" about? :D

[Indy-lou]

I personally like "the pant muscle should walk longer through". I am fairly certain "the head is talking" should be that the head is expressive looking. As for the recomendation at the bottom for mares it says roughly: "mares should have an uncomplicated character and good length in the foreleg". I pretty much get the drift from the awkward translation, but will still appreciate having somebody correctly translate it for us.

[bloomingtonfarm]

'A uniform collection of foals whose development and rectangular shaped conformation is more than satisfactory; however, the forehand is a bit short. The trot is active with sufficient stride lenght and actively bending hind legs. Several of the foals could trot with the wither more elevetated. The front leg use is good. The foals transition easily into the canter but should use their bodies more as they canter.

Breeding/Paring recommendation:

Winton can improve carriage and leg use. Mares shoudl have an uncomplicated temperament and sufficient forehand lenght. '

This is the english report that I have from IDS international. I can see that there is some details that were droped but I hope this will help you.

[siegi b.]

Bloomingtonfarm is giving a good summary of the foal report.... There are a couple more little things like the necks could be a little longer and sometimes the backs are dipped in the foals, but other than that the summary is what it is. It's not the best and not the worst foal report....

[Home Again Farm]

What do they mean by forehand length?

[bloomingtonfarm]

I would like Seigi to comment on it but my understanding was that the first part (one third) including neck and shoulder was in proportion 'shorter' than the second and third part. That would explain why they were saying that the neck could have been longer... but I could be all wrong!

[karin@dutchbreeders@aol.com]

Hi Everyone!
Thanks for this thread! I have been considering one of the two Jazz sons Wynton/ Westpoint for one of my mares this coming year. Can anyone pass on any more info on how they compare to each other? What kind of mares would each do best with? I had heard that one had the better type, and one had better movement, and one the better character...Just not sure which is which!<G> Any info would be very much appreciated!
Warmly,
Karin

[mmt]

Based on seeing the two, I would bet Westpoint the better type (although he was almost too long-legged for me personally), Wynton the better mover. Regarding temperament, my guess is that Wynton would be the bet there, but I have not heard any direct comments.

As Siegi said, Wynton's foal report is in the middle, not the best, and not the worst. I really liked the stallion when I saw him this summer in Verden, so am looking forward very much to seeing the foals from GOV mares and more Dutch breeders.

Wynton's mother has a shorter front leg and could be built more uphill. Therefore, it was not such a surprise that he should be bred to a mare that does NOT have a short front leg or a downhill construction.

[bloomingtonfarm]

The offpspring summary of Westpoint is the following:

A uniform collection of well developed, long-legged foals with riding type qualitites and good rectangular shaped conformation. Their movement is light-footed with big strides. However, the foals should be looser in the topline in the trot and canter.

Breeding recommendation:
Westpoint can pass on good movement and uphill conformation when paired with mares that use their bodies well and have correct hind leg conformation.


I would prefer Westpoint but again that would depend of the mare.

[bloomingtonfarm]

And for the attitude in the stallion reports Winton had a very good attitude and Westpoint a good attitude.

However in the stall behavior portion they noted that Wynton is very demanding in-hand and requires a lot from his handler. This results in tension in his gaits, expecially at the walk.


As for Westpoint his stall behaviour demontrated ' An honest and reliable stallion that is easy to handle and calm in his stall.


So I guess in the saddle Winton has a better attitude but handling him is not as easy.

[TreadstoneFarm]

posted on the wrong thread!