Stallions and bookings

[busybee]

I was talking to a friend about warmblood stallion bookings. We were arguing about what stallions get a lot of bookings. I think it's helpful to consider how popular the stallion is. I think Apiro posted on his site that he got 78 booking this year (congratulations to Silver Creek). What do you think a popular stallion gets?

[farrier]

These type of numbers can be misleading as the mares may already belong to the stallion owner and thus numbers are bumped up. Years ago, this was the situation with the number 1 Hanoverarian horse in the U.S., but not when the number of mares were subtracted, that belonged to the stallion owner. I don't believe Silver Creek or Edgar would buy auction horses to increase these numbers, breed them and flood the market with offspring. It has been done.

[Rhyadawn]

How popular a stallion is isn't always a great thing to look at. Sometimes stallions are hot on the market for all the wrong reasons, from bling to a flashy website. As stated, statistics can be very misleading.

I wouldn't rule out the new stallions or the lesser known ones. And I'm not bashing the popular ones either, there are great stallions out there.

[busybee]

Just the clarify I'm doing a project with my friend for a class and I really need the statistics on how many mares stallions are getting. Any information that stallion owners can provide would be appreciated.

[Molly Malone]

The average is 6.

[risingstarfarm]

While the average is six, there is a WIDE range.

Also, are you looking at the statistics for just North America or Europe as well?

[3Dogs]

as several have stated, not a particulary reliable nor necessarily valuable statistic. Volume here is often driven by price, or, as someone said, current "flash" - offspring success means a lot more (to me- as does a host of other data). But we don't track those statistics very well, so, there you go!

A stallion owner who is picky about mares may have a price that makes the mare owners picky :yes:. Numbers for said stallion may look low -however, with better offspring statistics,if kept (and this assumes the bloodlines aren't well established for desired outcome), one would think this would lead to more mare owners wanting to breed to said stallion.

Woops, didn't answer your question.....;)

I think in general the numbers of mares bred per stallion are low for many stallion owners, if you deduct the stallions owner's own mares. However, as said, the confounders are "price" and "color" :lol: Performance is in there too, just not sure where in the order :winkgrin:

[busybee]

I know the average is 6 but like Siver Creek demonstrated not every stallion gets 6. I'm pretty sure Edgars lovely stallions get more then 6. That's the information I need.

2Dogs please start your own thread you always seem to have some strange agenda that's hard to figure out.

[busybee]

While the average is six, there is a WIDE range.

Also, are you looking at the statistics for just North America or Europe as well?

Just for North America, Thanks for the reply. It's not detailed enough to say 6 is the average.

[risingstarfarm]

Well, one way to get a piece of the picture is to look at the inspection reports posted for each registry - look and see how many foals by such and so stallions were presented.

Granted, not everyone take their foals to inspections, but you could quantify the number of registered foals by each stallion -sort of a subgroup.

[risingstarfarm]

Also, some registries (ATA comes to mind) publishes the number of foals each stallion has submitted a breeding report for - actually, you might be able to contact some of the registries to see if you can get information on foal reports. Again, just a part of the puzzle, but at least it's quantifiable!

[risingstarfarm]

Still thinking here....

You could conduct a random sampling and contact x number of stallion owners and ASK them how many breedings they are getting. As long as you keep it anonymous, people might be interested in helping you out!

[Oakstable]

ATA is the only registry I know of that publishes an annual list of stallions breeding 10 mares or more.

It also breaks the list down into Trakehner mares and other mares, primarily TBs, of course.

The KWPN NA used to publish a list of stallions with first, second and third premium babies. They dropped it and may have brought it back, but I'm not sure.

I think OLdenburg NA publishes something similar, but I haven't had a mare in their books in many years and I don't have their yearbook.

There are really nice stallions who don't breed many mares.

Do you think mare owners move in packs?

[misita]

Oldenburg NA keeps detailed lists on all foals they register. Who is the sire, scores, premiums, and so forth. They also keep detailed information about each stallion approved with them. Their foals, their quality, the mares they bred, how many they breed each year, and so on. But it still won't help too much because most Oldenburg NA stallions are approved with more registries than just the Oldenburg NA. For instance Bravo is approved with ISR/OLD NA, GOV, and CWHBA. So only his Oldenburg NA foals would be on their list. But from his 2008 breedings I know quite a few will be registered with CWHBA and GOV. So only a portion will show up on the OLD NA roster.

Good luck.;)

[ahf]

Busybee, there is nothing in 3dogs post that is not related to your question. I see no "strange agenda".

THe answer is...IT DEPENDS. On color, on "du jour" on je ne sai quoi.

Internet "polls" are not equivalent to scholarly research. And shame on whoever the faculty advisor was that told you it so. If this is for a project or paper, then start emailing stallion owners with your specific question.

I just freak whenever I read that someone is basing a paper OR business plan based on BB feedback. THe only thing a BB is good for in that respect is a sociology study.

[3Dogs]

thank you AHF -
and busybee, interesting - I post here as 3Dogs yet you used my old user name of 2Dogs, which I use on a few other boards and once here , so who are you? Are you in fact someone with your own "hidden agenda" ?????

I have a degree in Medicine (as in MD) and an MPH in Epidemiology, ie statistics. I really like good data. I know how to mine good data. I don't know what it is that you are trying to find out, but now, you obviously know me from another board, by my original user name - so you are?

Agree with AHF - if you are on some scholarly research project, then this is not the place for it. If you are trying to boost some stallion - then this is the place for it, but not the way you are going about it :lol: