Need help picking a farm dog! [Archive]

SandyHTF

Dec. 10, 2008, 09:11 PM

I live on 5 acres in a rural area that was overrun with flippers a year or so ago. 5-10 acre lots were subdivided into postage stamps, mobile homes were planted like weeds and RE speculators had dreams of overnight big profit sales. :rolleyes:

So, reality dawns and all of a sudden I live in the midst of a bunch of rural property rentals... you'd be amazed what that attracts. Hence the need for a working farm guard dog.

I'm looking for a breed of dog that would be protective of the horses and property, friendly to the cats (introduction in puppyhood is fine), not an avid barker / yapper and not a go to ground dog. With just 5 acres, dog pits can get out of control pretty fast. Preferably short haired as we are in florida. Also, nothing flat out dangerous. I am looking for a breed that will deter, not kill... that's what the shotgun is for. :lol:

Talent for agility would be a great addition, though anything that can do the job and graciously get spoiled to death would work. Any suggestions?

Seriously_Hunter

Dec. 10, 2008, 09:23 PM

Rottweiler...they are protective of their property, herders by nature, love to have a job. They also ADORE being spoiled by 'their people"
My girl is amazing, nothing fazes her, she's accepting of everything and anything out of the ordinary with just a simple word from me and has a great sense of judgement when it comes to people. She's instinctive and careful but can be stubborn (as all Rotties can be). Good luck with your decision. :)

Carrera

Dec. 10, 2008, 09:38 PM

I was going to recommend a Rottie as well. Wonderful dogs!

Seriously_Hunter

Dec. 10, 2008, 09:40 PM

I was going to recommend a Rottie as well. Wonderful dogs!

Aren't they though? I'm a SUCKER for them!!!!!:cool:

Bobthehorse

Dec. 10, 2008, 09:49 PM

I would say Rotties too, just because of their herding background, I would assume they would be a better choice with livestock than say, a mastiff or bulldog type (bred to take down the livestock). I would have suggested GSDs as well, except for the hair.

I suggest finding a good working breeder, as working bred dogs have much more stable temperaments (a lot of BYB guard dogs have fear issues) and much much sounder bodies. And make sure they do all their health certs, Rotties are prone to some health problems.

Also, I know lots of people will say that guard dogs need to be intact to do their job, but thats not true. If you are letting the dog out to patrol, an intact dog is just an accident waiting to happen (in terms of breeding, not attacking). A dog with drive and work ethic will always have that, testosterone or not! And only good training will bring it out and allow you to control that drive.

Equibrit

Dec. 10, 2008, 09:56 PM

http://www.nasrn.com/Southern.htm

These guys need homes !

eventchic33

Dec. 10, 2008, 09:59 PM

Australian Cattle Dogs are awesome. Small, herding type and great with agility. Very protective and love to have a job.

Meredith Clark

Dec. 10, 2008, 10:09 PM

MunchkinsMom

Dec. 10, 2008, 10:15 PM

We have a "pound puppy" female, short hair about 60 pounds, the vet thinks she is a rhodesian ridgeback cross of some sort (the locals have called her a "yellow cur dog"), and she is very protective of our property.

She belongs to my in-laws who live with us on a 10 acre mini-farm in Florida. They got her from the pound when they lived in South Florida.

However, because she was not raised with horses, she does tend to bark at them from time to time, at first, she was constantly jumping at the fence as if to try to jump over to get them. Now she is better. She only barks if someone comes on the property. She does act very fierce with strangers, and we do know that she will bite strangers also.

She has been great with the puppies that we got last year, and I think she might be okay with cats, but not really sure.

So, you might consider going to the shelter and saving a dog, if you tell them what you are looking for they should be able to help.

Actually, she looks a bit like the dogs in the links below, but with smaller ears:

http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12574996

Actually, she is a thinner version of this dog:

http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12082000

ParisHillEC

Dec. 10, 2008, 10:20 PM

I would also look into Australian Shepherds. I just got one in Sept when she was seven weeks old, she's almost 5 months now. When we're ready for another dog, I will look at Aussies again in a heartbeat!

She's the smartest puppy I have ever owned. She pretty much potty trained herself, she had maybe one accident. She slept through the night right away. When she gets tired, she will put herself to sleep. She is great in and around the barn, extremely loyal and SO cute!!

Of course we got her and took her right to the barn. So here is a picture of Hunter!

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=752908&l=0c2d4&id=500369348

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=752909&l=e1a96&id=500369348

oh and we have three cats and she's really good with them too
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=753765&l=dfa5b&id=500369348

MunchkinsMom

Dec. 10, 2008, 10:21 PM

Another resource to do breed research can be found on PetFinder:

http://www.petfinder.com/dog-breeds

ASBnTX

Dec. 10, 2008, 10:44 PM

Australian Shepherd OR Border Collie! SMART SMART SMART dogs!!!

Bobthehorse

Dec. 10, 2008, 11:08 PM

Australian Shepherd OR Border Collie! SMART SMART SMART dogs!!!

Not so much guard dogs, and kind of hairy for Florida though.

Simkie

Dec. 10, 2008, 11:44 PM

We have a "pound puppy" female, short hair about 60 pounds, the vet thinks she is a rhodesian ridgeback cross of some sort (the locals have called her a "yellow cur dog"), and she is very protective of our property.

I have two Ridgebacks, and they are wonderful, wonderful dogs.

They are also incredibly difficult puppies. Puppyhood can last 3-4 years.

For horse people, I use this analogy: if you can put manners on a rank stud horse, you can probably raise a Ridgeback.

Baby Ridgebacks require VERY definite, clear rules that are ALWAYS the same. If you waver, or let them get away with something, you are SCREWED. They are absolutely single person dogs and have a very difficult time if the rules are different between different people or if they belong to more than one person. They are sight and scent hounds and will follow their eyes and their nose.

Ridgebacks have a bad reputation for being aggressive or being fear biters. It is incredibly important to find a top-notch breeder and for YOU to be the biggest dog in the house. Ridgebacks will absolutely take the alpha position if you don't.

My Ridgebacks are awesome. It took a lot of work on my part to get there. It's absolutely worth it, and my dogs are incredibly loyal and amazing companions, but it's still a lot of work. If you can't put that work into them, or if you can't be 100% consistent, or if you want a "family" dog, this is not a good breed for you.

Bluehorsesjp

Dec. 10, 2008, 11:45 PM

They are not called Farm collies for nothing.

Really one of the best dogs out there. Protective of their people and property, smart, good with livestock and horses, loyal, good varmit hunters......

From the English shepherd site
http://www.englishshepherd.org/
"The English shepherd is not obsessive about herding and is capable of resting quietly at his master's feet when there is no work required. He can be trusted to not bother livestock and does not require kenneling when chores are done. Indeed, the English shepherd frequently develops a bond with, and displays a nurturing attitude toward, his owner's livestock and will keep them in their place while guarding against unwanted predators and pests. "

I have one that is almost 2. He amazes me with how smart and eager to please he is. His mother does agility so we are going to start that in the spring. I am super impressed with this breed. I also have a perfect mixed breed and an over protective lab who will chase people back into their cars if they are not announced :lol:. But for farm stuff the ES is worth looking into.

Here is a picture of mine.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1004067&l=dd7ef&id=572522957

pinkme

Dec. 11, 2008, 12:07 AM

Rotties get me vote as well.

Margaritaville

Dec. 11, 2008, 12:14 AM

Rotties! or Dobbies! both are the best!

Dance_To_Oblivion

Dec. 11, 2008, 12:27 AM

I would suggest looking into a Great Dane in addition to some of the other breeds mentioned. I currently have a 7 month old pup who is my second Dane. Both have been protective of me and our home, have had limited exposure to horses but have no shown any inclination to chase or otherwise misbehave, neither cared a bit about cats one way or the other.

Some Danes can be timid but a good breeder should be able to differentiate the timid pups from the more outgoing. My first Dane was more timid but my new pup is very dominant. At 7 months old his bark already intimidates as does his size. I live in an apartment complex where there are some questionable neighbors, and he has already been helpful. For example I was walking him late at night recently and when he heard voices coming around the corner he very purposefully stepped in front of me and barked three times paused and repeated the three barks twice more. I was rather impressed with his initiative and that when I quietly asked him to hush he listened.

Great Danes are truly wonderful dogs and I highly recommend them. (Of course due to their size and quick growth they do require some special care but totally worth it!)

AKB

Dec. 11, 2008, 01:16 AM

Chesapeake Bay Retriever. There are some good rescues, as well as lots of good breeders for you to choose from.

silver2

Dec. 11, 2008, 01:31 AM

We have a catahoula leopard dog and she is almost too protective of our property but in general a very good dog. Mellow, not smart enough or motivated enough to cause trouble, not destructive, herding bred so manageable around livestock, bark-y and growly enough to deter anyone but not a biter. Likes going places and doing stuff but will happily stay home all day and sleep if that's what's on the schedule. Also happy to be an only dog, which my previous hounds were most definitely not.

They are interesting dogs. A bit weird and very brave and strong willed but ours is very easy to live with. She has very little hair and barely sheds, which is nice except that it snows here and she freezes!

She also did not pass the "cat test" at the pound but it turns out that while she will chase them if they run, she will also let cats crawl all over her and claw her to bits and not show one bit of aggression. I am more worried about her losing an eye by being overly-friendly than any cats being harmed.

jetsmom

Dec. 11, 2008, 01:46 AM

Another vote for Rotties or Doberman. Both are intimidating, but usually big babies. I've never met a mean Rottie or Dobe.

Bluey

Dec. 11, 2008, 07:23 AM

There is no perfect breed or mix for your situation.
Many dogs sitting in animal control or other shelters may do.
If you get puppy or adult, the training and managing you do is what will make it the right dog for you, so go with the dog that you like best.

My friend the horse trainer just lost his old border collie and, while at the feed store, they had this half grown wild blue heeler mix that needed a home and he is hers now.
She did try to chase cats and cars, but is learning not to.
She was not what he would have looked for in another dog and really didn't need another dog, has three now, but some things are meant to be and that this dog went home with him is one.

You can do agility with most any sound dog today.
They are many clubs every place any more to train with and if and when you decide to compete, many agility organizations are open to all dogs.

Leaving yourself open to a dog you like, then train and manage it so it fits in your life works best.:)

jeano

Dec. 11, 2008, 07:41 AM

Collie or border collie mutts--our late lamented collie mix probably had a dose of some kind of hound in her, the two border mutt pups we have now have a Lab daddy, maybe. Hybrid vigor, sweet dispostions, very soft and trainable dogs, excel at agility tasks, and do not (or at least ours have not) need to be trained to guard, patrol, and look ferocious to intruders. They do these tasks instinctively. Ours have been real good with the horses.

Nothing quite like a collie's snarl--really scary looking, plus an intimidating alarm bark, reserved with strangers until properly introduced. Ours have been gracious with cats and exceptionally clean house dogs.

Actually, one of my dream dogs is a smooth collie--but all collies shed profusely twice a year. And another plus for a mix, as opposed to a purebred, is that you can get less hair. Also the compulsive herding stuff gets somewhat diluted, which is good for a dog that wont have a herd of sheep to manage all day.

The herding breeds tend to have high exercise requirements. I am fortunate enough to have a biggish acreage and a pond to help wear them out. I'd be having to give them a loooong structured walk or two every day if not.

Trakehner

Dec. 11, 2008, 08:41 AM

Collie-Shepard mix.

The best farm dogs I've ever dealt with have been Collie-Shep's...big enough to worry the local lowlifes and they deal well with the other animals at the farm.

camohn

Dec. 11, 2008, 09:32 AM

Well bred German Shephards and Rotties are wonderful, badly bred ones are awful...so good choices as long as you get one from a reputable breeder. If I was looking for a Golden or a Lab I would not hesitiate to get one from a shelter......but a GS or a Rottie I would not. My last dog was a Chesapeake Bay Retriever........super guard dog ...but very difficult to train (smart and very stubborn at the same time) and probably too hairy for FL. We currently have an Irish Setter. I have been very surprised at how protective she has turned out to be....but Setters are also very needy (attention wise) so very snuggly!! She did have to be trained not to hunt barn cats but is OK now. Setters are another one you have to be careful with the breeding. There was a lot of indiscriminate breeding of them a while back and now there are a bunch of them that are very nervous and high strung. Our setter is from field hunting, not show, breeding. I have been told by Setter People that is why she has a good brain in her head. (She is less "hairy" and more calm than show setters). Though they have longish hair it is fine hair....ours gets cold up here in PA in the winter....when it gets to be cold she only goes out long enough to pee and is batting at the door to come in. I had never heard of a catahoula leopard dog until a couple weeks ago. I do home health care and one of my patients has one. The 2 YO "pup" is named Tigger.....very appropriately.........
I know serveral folks with Austrailian Shephards...they are definitely protective. I could never have one here though because they ARE herding dogs. Out of 13 horses here 11 would be OK with the herding thing and 2 will send something nipping at their heels to kingdom come. It took the Setter we have getting clocked about 3 times (I am amazed she emerged unharmed outside of some yelps) before she learned NOT to chase horses and she is a bird dog so a heeler type has that so ingrained it would have been worse. The next door neighbor just got a heeler pup. It chases cars, joggers, Amish buggies, our horses.........they let their kids walk it on a leash and the dog is way stronger than the kids.........so the dog is always chasing someone or something dragging it's leash. It is soon going to get hit by a car or flattened by one of our horses. I wish someone would hit THEM upside the head.

camohn

Dec. 11, 2008, 09:43 AM

I was in the same sort of situation as you, I have 5 acres, live by myself and thankfully it's in a nice town/area but you just never know!

I tried to adopt a dog from my SPCA and it was seriously harder than adopting a child! They wouldn't give me the dog i wanted because I had a cat (house cat) and this dog didn't pass the "cat test". I asked if it attacked the cat and then said no, it just didn't "back down fast enough" ... not many dogs I know that just meet a cat cower in fear!

Anyway! Thankfully for me my county also has an Animal Control and they had so many dogs to choose from.. and these dogs really needed homes (the SPCA is no kill). I narrowed it down to a Rottie and an American Bull Dog mix. The Rottie was super sweat but he was a male (which I didn't really want) and had been returned twice... that made me sort of nervous!

I ended up getting the mutt and she's the most amazing dog ever! She was abused and was soo skinny and had an embedded collar but she came around fast and is the best farm dog ever!

Bella:
http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2877521950068747398FPGVzi
The "rescues" are worse than the SPCA. We tried to adopt a Weimeriner and a Greyhound from their respsective rescues. We were turned down by both because we do not have a dog fenced yard. I really can see their point in more urban areas.......but most of the Weims were turned in in the first place because they were bought by apartment dwellers/not enough exercise for a big young hunting dog/too much energy and not enough exercise. A farm life would be perfect. I was asked what happens if they see a rabbbit? I said they run 34 acres after it? And they asked what happens if it should happen to leave the farm chasing the rabbit? I said it visits the cows on the fam next door and chases it another 35 acres.....

They were not amused. I was entirely serious........and so the dog sits still at the rescue.....

Over the Hill

Dec. 11, 2008, 09:44 AM

May I suggest an Irish Wolfhound ? They are seriously wonderful dogs. They are quiet, get along with everyone and everything and their size alone is the best deterrent to both human and wildlife there is. I have ten acres and am very rural. . . I never worried when he was on watch. I have some really funny stories about IWs ( having had eight of them over the years) I only had one that worried about the horses. . . and with proper training, although he still did not like it if the horses raced around like maniacs or dropped and rolled, he learned he was not allowed to bark at them or to enter the paddocks with them. They are most excellent companion dogs and are well suited to obedience training and agility as well.:)

birdsong

Dec. 11, 2008, 09:49 AM

http://www.nasrn.com/Southern.htm

I love anatolians...I think I've read though that they WILL kill anything that gets into their territory or threatens their family. Look at this girl!!! Ohh that sweet face.http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12509530

Having said that...lab/crosses maybe with pit or GSD are unbeatable! GSD's are protective but if you get one that is highly wound...you will be exhausted trying to keep it busy!! Ask me how I know.

SmartAlex

Dec. 11, 2008, 10:00 AM

Another vote for Rottweiler.

My Mom is on her second one (recently lost her first to cancer :(), and he is turning out just as exceptional as the first one.

Great around people, horse, cats, chickens, cows. Also protective, but not in a hard to manage way.

riverbell93

Dec. 11, 2008, 10:03 AM

sisu27

Dec. 11, 2008, 11:23 AM

Two things to keep in mind is that if you have a creepy transient population:

1) they will see most 'fighting' breeds as hugely attractive - and they'll define 'fighting' more broadly than you might. Dobes, Rotties, GSDs as well as pit bulls and American Bulldogs, etc., will get their motor running. A dog has one weapon, and if a thief manages to neutralize their teeth, they're largely helpless. At the very least, these breeds will attract the attention of the sort of people you really don't want putting you on their radar.

2) they will own 'fighting' breeds that will run loose and your dog will be coping with them. I'd favor a big, solid dog like a Chessie or a Rottie over a smaller, comparitively lighter dog like the collies or shepherds. It just improves the odds that your dog will survive a fight.

Actually, I think an Airedale would be interesting. Uncommon, but a big formidable breed without that 'oooohhhh, muscles' appeal to assholes. And it takes a lot to kill a terrier.;)

I LOVE Airedales!! Not as easy to train as others though, high prey drive, high maintenance coat...but I do love them.

My vote also goes for Dobbies or Rotties. It is more work but please adopt someone who needs a family. Petfinder.com is a great resource.

To whomever mentioned Anatolians...one of my friends lived on a real farm and had one of these. I'm a dog person and this dog scared the hell out of me. Nothing got past him and he did indeed kill anything that dared come near their property. Effective but not a companion, he lived outside and wasn't interested in making friends, all business. Not sure if that is common with this breed or not.

camohn

Dec. 11, 2008, 03:58 PM

I LOVE Airedales!! Not as easy to train as others though, high prey drive, high maintenance coat...but I do love them.

My vote also goes for Dobbies or Rotties. It is more work but please adopt someone who needs a family. Petfinder.com is a great resource.

To whomever mentioned Anatolians...one of my friends lived on a real farm and had one of these. I'm a dog person and this dog scared the hell out of me. Nothing got past him and he did indeed kill anything that dared come near their property. Effective but not a companion, he lived outside and wasn't interested in making friends, all business. Not sure if that is common with this breed or not.

Where I boarded our stallion at an indoor one (Anatolian Shephard) year a couple years back: the barn manager had one....the dog would always let me ON the property. Letting me OFF was a whole nuther ball of wax unless the owner was around (and frequently he was not which was a problem......). My last car had some nice scratches on the door from him....one of many reasons I could never go back and board there in spite of the place having the most awesome indoor..........

caryledee

Dec. 11, 2008, 04:09 PM

I am not going to give you any breed suggestions, but please consider adopting from a shelter/rescue. You can get any breed you want. I really prefer mixed breeds myself over purebreds. Here is a good site to find a companion: www.dogsindanger.com (http://www.dogsindanger.com)

horse_on_course

Dec. 11, 2008, 04:51 PM

I own what we think is a Austrilian Shephard/Blue Heeler with some hound or terrier mix and he is 5 months old right now. I took him to the vet this morning and he weighs about 30 pounds. I've had him three weeks and in this time, he's learned amazing quick about commands and what to do and how to behave on our 50 acre property. When I am riding, he stays right with me and sits and watches. He barked at the horses for 5 minutes the first day and after getting disaplined he stopped. When we are out in the pasture, he will go up and "check" on the horses and sniff noses with them (it's so cute watching this) He has a pretty short coat and it's reeeeeeeeeealy soft. The vet thinks he'll top out at 50-60 pounds. He does bark at newcomers, but is sweet as pie. He thinks he is the best lapdog ever and is happy if he can just curl up and sleep in your lap all night.

The other dog i would suggest would be a Standard or Royal standard poodle. They are amazingly smart and good around horses. They are extremely protective of their herd. You can clip (like horses) their coats for the summer so they don't get too warm.

gabz

Dec. 11, 2008, 06:41 PM

I've had Australian Shepherd and a Cattle dog. Unless they are IMPECCABLY trained, they can be a little difficult around horses. The Aussie shepherd, of course, has the long coat and probably wouldn't be a good fit in warm climates. The cattle dogs NEED to have a job to do or they will make their own jobs.

Border collies also need a job to do. Not so much a guard dog as an Aussie or Cattle dog.

I agree with the Rottie or shepherd mix. However, I have friends with Belgian Malinois... and they are incredible farm dogs. protective and very smart. I believe that breed is used as police dogs in Europe. They come in a short hair and long hair variety.

Jack Russel Terriers can also be good on farms, but probably not intimidating enough for rough visitors.

JSwan

Dec. 11, 2008, 07:04 PM

May I suggest an Irish Wolfhound ?

What a nice breed. I would love to own one. (My dogs tend to just show up on my doorstep, move in, and spend the rest of their lives lounging on the sofa, watching TV, and drinking all my beer:winkgrin:)

Question - for a farm dog would you have any concerns about such a breed being mistaken for a coyote? I know they're much bigger than a coyote but I still wonder.

Anyone have such a breed (or similar "type") in coyote country?

gillenwaterfarm

Dec. 11, 2008, 07:10 PM

Giant Schnauzer.

Mine will bark only when necessary, patrol the grounds, and stick by my side through everything. He is big, without being too big, my runt is about 85 lbs. His scariest feature is his huge white teeth in a huge black furry jaw. :) But don't tell him he looks scary, he's really a sweet love. If you want one to look intimidating, crop the ears. The floppy eared ones don't command the same sort of respect on looks alone.

Manners must be instilled from puppyhood, they are intelligent enough for police and K9 work. Guarding the dog's "family" is an instictive job for these dogs. Mine willingly places himself between me, or any member of my family, and anyone else around me, at all times. He knows the difference between friends and strangers, but won't let a friend do something to harm his family.

The coat isn't really all that much of a bother in our hot weather. If you can clip a horse's bridlepath, you can clip your Schnauzer. :) I shave mine with a 10 blade, in the same direction of the hair, about every 6 weeks in the summer. I trim his leg furnishings every other shave down, and I learned from online tutorials. I usually shave his furnishings off once a year, due to the sand burrs that grow wild around my house in the late summer. ;)

Good luck with your search,

Simkie

Dec. 11, 2008, 07:15 PM

What a nice breed. I would love to own one. (My dogs tend to just show up on my doorstep, move in, and spend the rest of their lives lounging on the sofa, watching TV, and drinking all my beer:winkgrin:)

Question - for a farm dog would you have any concerns about such a breed being mistaken for a coyote? I know they're much bigger than a coyote but I still wonder.

Anyone have such a breed (or similar "type") in coyote country?

Irish Wolfhounds look nothing like coyotes. Size alone would make it very, very clear that you had something that was not a coyote. Are you thinking of another breed?

Irish Wolfhound (http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/22/8122-004-54129390.jpg)

Coyote (http://advocacy.britannica.com/blog/advocacy/wp-content/uploads/coyote005-004.jpg)

I can see being concerned about some "foxy" looking breeds, but certainly not having an Irish Wolfhound mistaken for a coyote :confused:

SandyHTF

Dec. 11, 2008, 07:20 PM

Wow. Thank you all so much, you've given me quite a bit to think about. It really was the owner insight into breed traits/strengths/weaknesses that I was looking for. Funny how some of the dogs I was attracted to are not necessarialy good matches for the farm or my level of skill/time/commitment. Way better to know beforehand than be sorry later on.

For those that encouraged rescues, I agree. I have 6 rescue cats and 2 rescue horses. We will of course look into the possibility of adopting a dog before going to a breeder. :)

Over the Hill

Dec. 11, 2008, 08:11 PM

JSwan: we have plenty of coyote here in N Central Florida, but my Irish weighed in at 200 pounds. . . was only two inches shorter than my 39" mini, and had about the same body length.

I can not say enough good things about the breed. The only drawback is their immense size and relatively short lifespan ( but five of my eight all reached twelve years or more). Loyal and loving and very intelligent creatures.

MunchkinsMom

Dec. 11, 2008, 08:36 PM

I have two Ridgebacks, and they are wonderful, wonderful dogs.

They are also incredibly difficult puppies. Puppyhood can last 3-4 years.

For horse people, I use this analogy: if you can put manners on a rank stud horse, you can probably raise a Ridgeback.

Baby Ridgebacks require VERY definite, clear rules that are ALWAYS the same. If you waver, or let them get away with something, you are SCREWED. They are absolutely single person dogs and have a very difficult time if the rules are different between different people or if they belong to more than one person. They are sight and scent hounds and will follow their eyes and their nose.

Ridgebacks have a bad reputation for being aggressive or being fear biters. It is incredibly important to find a top-notch breeder and for YOU to be the biggest dog in the house. Ridgebacks will absolutely take the alpha position if you don't.

My Ridgebacks are awesome. It took a lot of work on my part to get there. It's absolutely worth it, and my dogs are incredibly loyal and amazing companions, but it's still a lot of work. If you can't put that work into them, or if you can't be 100% consistent, or if you want a "family" dog, this is not a good breed for you.

Wow, that hit the nail on the head with our ridgeback cross, probably why we were her third family from the pound! She can be a very sweet dog, loves company (once she knows they are company) and will be in their laps looking for attention. But she can be the most stubborn dog I have ever owned, and does have mind of her own. I have found that many of the Dog Whisperer techniques work with her, and she does respect me as the alpha.

I do know that she would give her life to save someone in the family if necessary. And everyone that is not company that comes to our house (delivery men, workers, the mailman etc.), know better than to try to get into the yard with her here.

We didn't get her as a puppy, she was over a year old, never destructive of anything in the house.

JSwan

Dec. 11, 2008, 09:17 PM

Irish Wolfhounds look nothing like coyotes. Size alone would make it very, very clear that you had something that was not a coyote. Are you thinking of another breed?

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Nope, I'm thinking of "drunken redneck with an itchy trigger finger".

No insult intended to the responsible gun-owning rednecks in the U.S. :winkgrin:

I'm referring to the sort of unfortunate people who usually end up nominated for a Darwin Award.

Anyway - I just really like that breed and have been favorably impressed with the temperament and intelligence of the few I've met.

My main requirement in a farm dog is that they never even think about harassing livestock, and be biddable. I've been very fortunate in that all of them have been excellent farm dogs - but the hounds have not always been biddable. They march to the beat of a different drummer though. :lol:

Simkie

Dec. 11, 2008, 09:31 PM

Nope, I'm thinking of "drunken redneck with an itchy trigger finger".

No insult intended to the responsible gun-owning rednecks in the U.S. :winkgrin:

I'm referring to the sort of unfortunate people who usually end up nominated for a Darwin Award.

I think a Wolfhound would be more likely mistaken for a DEER :lol:

My main requirement in a farm dog is that they never even think about harassing livestock, and be biddable. I've been very fortunate in that all of them have been excellent farm dogs - but the hounds have not always been biddable. They march to the beat of a different drummer though. :lol:That they do. But a loyal hound dog is loyal like none other :)

Bluey

Dec. 12, 2008, 07:54 AM

Loyal and biddable are not similar at all.
Loyal loves you, but may never think to do what you request.
Biddable may or not love you, but will do what you ask just because you ask.
You will find both in many dog breeds, just not generally in many hounds or terriers.
In those, biddable is not their breed description, you have to train not only for what behaviors you desire, but also for motivation.:)

I think that, since you are not set on any one breed, I would go with the dog you like, regardless of the breed or mix.
You want a barn dog, but in reality, a dog is a companion any place you want to be with it, so it has to be more than "just a barn dog" to be fair to the dog.
I agree that where you are, with the heat and humidity, a heavy coated dog would be harder to manage outside than a slicker haired dog.
Many of the long haired ones, with the many insects there, have hot spots and at times need to be kept clipped, which defeats the long coat that makes them who they are.

Choosing a puppy from the pound may surprise you when it grows, if the breed is not clear.
An adult you will know what you have in front of you in size coat and temperament.
I would look around the local animal control shelters first, where dogs only have a few days, just in case one there talks to you:

---"I rescued a human today.

Her eyes met mine as she walked down the corridor peering
apprehensively into the kennels. I felt her need instantly and knew
I had to help her. I wagged my tail, not too exuberantly, so she
wouldn't be afraid.

As she stopped at my kennel I blocked her view
from a little accident I had in the back of my cage. I didn't want
her to know that I hadn't been walked today. Sometimes the shelter
keepers get too busy and I didn't want her to think poorly of them.

As she read my kennel card I hoped that she wouldn't feel sad about
my past. I only have the future to look forward to and want to make
a difference in someone's life. She got down on her knees and made
little kissy sounds at me. I shoved my shoulder and side of my head
up against the bars to comfort her.

Gentle fingertips caressed my neck; she was desperate for companionship. A tear fell down her cheek and I raised my paw to assure her that all would be well.
Soon my kennel door opened and her smile was so bright that I
instantly jumped into her arms. I would promise to keep her safe. I
would promise to always be by her side. I would promise to do
everything I could to see that radiant smile and sparkle in her
eyes. I was so fortunate that she came down my corridor. So many
more are out there who haven't walked the corridors. So many more to
be saved. At least I could save one.

I rescued a human today."---

I lost the name of the lady that wrote that, sorry.
Anyone can provide that again, please?

riverbell93

Dec. 12, 2008, 10:55 AM

Here is a good site to find a companion: www.dogsindanger.com (http://www.dogsindanger.com)

I have doubts about the ethics of this site. The idea behind it is to spotlight specific dogs under immediate threat of euthanasia. Fear of a dog being euthanized should NOT be anyone's primary consideration in adopting a pet.

farriergodmother

Dec. 12, 2008, 11:58 AM

The "rescues" are worse than the SPCA. We tried to adopt a Weimeriner and a Greyhound from their respsective rescues. We were turned down by both because we do not have a dog fenced yard. I really can see their point in more urban areas.......but most of the Weims were turned in in the first place because they were bought by apartment dwellers/not enough exercise for a big young hunting dog/too much energy and not enough exercise. A farm life would be perfect. I was asked what happens if they see a rabbbit? I said they run 34 acres after it? And they asked what happens if it should happen to leave the farm chasing the rabbit? I said it visits the cows on the fam next door and chases it another 35 acres.....

They were not amused. I was entirely serious........and so the dog sits still at the rescue.....

I ran into the same problem. We were momentarily dogless and really wanted to get a rescue dog, specifically a lab or cross. We have a huge outdoor kennel, double the size of a town house yard, but,alas, we were told that does not count as a yard (it's fenced, WTH?). And 27 acres surrounded by another 350 of farmland was no good either. Or the fact the house was a mile from the road. Or the fact that we had other animals, references, owned our home, were outdoorsy people that wanted to hike and ride with a canine buddy, etc. So we bought a beautifully bred Lab and boy was she a handful but we perservered. A little less than a year later I literally pulled a pup out of a trash dumpster. I had no intention of adding a second dog in the midst of the destructive stage the then year old lab was chewing/digging/ tearing/ripping her way through. I approached many of the same rescue organizations who had turned me down to take the found pup. The response was "We don't have room. Can you foster her?" Are you kidding me?????

Needless to say, after a few days we were in love and, we kept the pup and she has turned out to be the best farm dog I've ever owned. This dog's job is to be here and be a dog and she excels. Shadows me everywhere, hairy, snores, sleeps upside down with her legs sticking up, barks at everyone that approaches the house (actually drools and snarls at "real" strangers, quite the show), perfect trail riding ettiquette, and she has never chewed ANY HUMAN OWNED OBJECTS in the 3 years we've had her.

I know these organizations can only tell so much and are keeping the dogs best interest in mind. It sure was frustrating at the time. But I'm glad they ticked me off the second go-round.

Waterwitch

Dec. 19, 2008, 11:29 AM

We have a Irish Wolfhound in coyote country. Murphy looks nothing like a coyote but my neighbor did once catch sight of his lo-ooong tail as he rocketed through our timber and thought he'd seen a mountain lion :eek:

TwoArabs

Dec. 20, 2008, 01:42 AM

Rufus. ,u Irish Wolfhound, was wonderful around the horses and NO one bothered him. If you are in deer country though, they will be 7 miles away in chase of a deer before you know it. I now have a rottie and he is also great with the horses, not so grreat with cats. Both were/are rescues.

Sing Mia Song

Dec. 20, 2008, 11:34 AM

I have to say, I vote strongly against Rottweiler. I have met some lovely ones, but many, many more ill-bred and ill-tempered ones in my practice. Perhaps it's the owners I run into, who never screen them before they buy them (and wind up with very dysplastic dogs) and also never bother to put any manners on them.

In your situation, I would prefer a Mastiff or a Dane. I've seen a bunch of Lab/Dane crosses, and every single one has been exceptionally nice.

Equino

Dec. 20, 2008, 12:51 PM

I have an Aussie, and while they aren't typically "guard dogs," they are herding dogs and are bred to watch lifestock. Mine is very suspicious of strangers, will bark and sound ferocious, and he is very good about staying around the barn, while leaving the horses alone. And he will chase off strange dogs if they try to enter the barn or apartment, otherwise, he loves all dogs.

I also have a Sheltie. I lucked out and he is NOT yappy. Great barn dog, herds the horses when loose and keeps the pastures geese free. Also helpful at rounding up the chickens! While he isn't a guard dog at all, he alerts me to incomers, but is quite the people dog.

Both do agility-the Sheltie is AMAZING, a true working dog, but he loves his job and has fun. We hope to start competing this winter now that we have some time. The Aussie is learning, but easily distracted.

And while both have strong herding instincts (Sheltie more so than Aussie) neither obsessively herd the way some boarder collies or cattle dogs will. Living on a farm and going to dog class a couple times a week, they keep themselves busy enough during the day so that when day is over, they turn into couch dogs!

Yes, they have hair, but they don't seem to overheat as long as they have shade and water handy. Their coats insulate them, both to stay warm and to cool off. Plus, the Aussie loves swimming-pond or pool!

It's hard to choose a breed. For me, my 1st priority was a dog that would be loyal to the barn, meaning stay in the barn, chase off strange animals but not leave the property. It's also important that they are good with people, but not their best friends and either allow strangers to enter or be overly friendly with non-dog people. And I wanted a dog that I could live with and enjoy and not have to worry if they would be dog aggressive or chase the horses or eat the chickens. Good luck!

Simkie

Dec. 20, 2008, 02:03 PM

I have to say, I vote strongly against Rottweiler. I have met some lovely ones, but many, many more ill-bred and ill-tempered ones in my practice. Perhaps it's the owners I run into, who never screen them before they buy them (and wind up with very dysplastic dogs) and also never bother to put any manners on them.

I think it's extremely important to do your research and pick a well-bred dog in ANY breed. You don't want to pick a dog out of the paper or from a pet store. Do your research, contact your breed association, talk to several breeders, make sure they're checking eyes and elbows and hips, make sure they're breeding for temperament.

chunky munky

Dec. 20, 2008, 02:17 PM

Have you thought of a Great Pyrenees? I know several that are working dogs but VERY sweet. Most are all white, hard to mistake for game... They do have long hair, but I would think you just may want to clip them down there in the summer. I know St Augustine well and they would do fine with fur most of the year I think.

ponygirl

Dec. 20, 2008, 03:00 PM

I have a Catahoula Leopard mix and he is what your description is requesting. He was a rescue. I got him at approximately 6 months of age. When introduced to the horses, never once did he give chase. He also has an innate sense of "farmness" about it for lack of a better word. I swear he was born "farm" broke. He is intimidating looking and is so aware of his surroundings, it's uncanny. He literally does a perimeter check in the morning when I go out to feed. He's fabulous with the chickens and anything else that belongs to "his family". He will alert us to when someone is coming down the 900 foot driveway way before we can see or hear them coming. I've never had a rescue, nor a mix breed before. I am totally sold on them. He's a tall, athletic dog that has folks ask if he's 1/2 wolf. Grown men are very taken aback by his looks. He's vocal enough in that he alerts us to someone coming. He's also not one to go meet the stranger unless we give him the "it's a friend" look- then he's their BFF.

You can see Caleb here: http://www.chronicleofmyhorse.com/profile/JenniferHall

winsmorefarm

Dec. 20, 2008, 06:08 PM

I think one of the things that is missing here is what type of dog experience the OP has had? While suggesting breeds is great - each breed (no matter how well or not well bred has its challenges).
I would first pose the question to the OP - have you owned a dog before, if so what kind? I would also consider about the cats too - are they "dog savvy"? Some breeds of dogs are not best for "green" dog owners. While all dogs will require training, some breeds require their owners to be more of the "alpha" than others, some dogs (depending on breed, sex and individual dog) have certain requirements. Some dogs also have stronger predatory instincts that requires an owner that knows how to identify that potential early on (preferably BEFORE the dog acts on it) and how to "re-train".

I have an Aussie/Border mix (male) and a German Shepard (female). We are also currently fostering another German Shepard (female) until we can find her a good home that is suitable for her. All of our dogs are rescues.

Check out this link at the American Kennel Club - it may provide you more info for your search:
http://www.akc.org/future_dog_owner/find_breed.cfm

My Aussie mix is very loving with people (wishes he was a lap dog), but MUST have a job to do at all times. He was much easier to train basic obedience, but has become less respondant to his off leash commands (more of a matter of convenience for him - he's happy to listen WHEN it is convenient for him). He gets along great with all of the animals (horses, dogs, cats, birds, chickens, goats, etc.) and LOVES being the "enforcer", meaning that he keeps that animal "in line". . . even with the birds (especially if they are squawking too much).

My German Shepard is pure alpha. She is very loving towards all (people) family members and understands the order of our "pack". It took her awhile to realize that the cats were NOT her chew toys and she has a very high predatory instinct. She is NOT allowed to be outside alone with any of our animals. She now listens fantastically to all commands, but it took quite a bit of VERY CONSISTENT training and then we also had to address her "little" problem. She is extremely smart and a known escape artist too. Shortly after we first got her, she escaped from her kennel and unfortunately, we were not at home. She attacked one of our goats, who died the next day. A neighbor jumped our fence to rescue the goat (she did nothing to him and ran off) or our goat would have most likely died sooner. She has attacked some chickens too (along with Casey) one time. She has not attacked any of the horses, but right after we got her, she was in the pasture with me one time and my two-year old kicked and bucked. Unfortunately for Greta, she was in the wrong place at the wrong time and was on the receiving end of a kick. Her ribs were broken, one puncturing her lung and she had internal bleeding. After surgery and much time, she recovered and thankfully seems to have learned her lesson about going into the pastures with the horses. We consulted a professional trainer about her predatory problem and even though she is much better, we still have to take precautions. She did escape again from her kennel one more time not too long ago (I was picking kids up from school), but she was a good girl and didn't attack anyone.

The GS, "Meeshka" that we are fostering is very sweet and will require a good amount of training. She is still a puppy and has those tendancies (including the cat one, but our dog savvy cats handle themselves properly which helps), but is coming along. She does not seem to have the same issue as Greta, but we are being careful just the same. She loves to herd, play fetch and is very loving with our family too. She gets along great with Casey, but she and Greta do NOT get along at all. So we have to keep them completely separated. Greta is too dominating and Meeshka wants to be. The fact that they are both female just complicates it even more, because they are very tenacious regarding their "places" in the "pack". Hence, why we are looking for a home with someone who has experience with her breed.

Cielo Azure

Dec. 20, 2008, 06:28 PM

Sigh. I have five aussies. They are from WORKING lines, which are getting harder and harder to find. Some of the show lines suck big time. Yappy and not near so smart. That is not what you want. Having been involved with the breed since the 1960s, there has been alot of changes... Seek out working lines, but they will have less white, less coat, less long necked, less fancy gaits but what those working lines do have is smarts, loyalty, herding abilities, fierceness (protectiveness) and common sense.

If you want a FARM dog, do not get a show Aussie but seek out those lines that are for working. Those dogs DO work and will be by your side day in and day out. They are horse safe and mine are perfectly fine being outside with the horses (even if the horses are loose). Two of mine are working titled but the others just "know" herding commands and listen well.

Most of mine are NOT long haired. Working aussies generally have much shorter coats than the show lines. Each year, it seems that the show lines get more and more coat even though the standard says moderate coat, not long coat. The two I own that are long haired, I do shave in the summer months. That is simple enough for those of us with horse clippers...

They are all protective and have a lot of herding ability. I feel so safe with them around. They all know how to turn on and off the scary behavior on quo. Most of them follow me from stall to stall as I clean, they hang with me 24-7. And they are smart.

Many people do not even recognize my working Aussies as purebred even though they are more "aussie" than those AKC only dogs.
http://www.cieloazure.com/rojo.html
Here is my male (a bit younger than he is now). Not much "cute" about him and I LOVE yellow eyes.
http://www.cieloazure.com/aura.html
Here is Aura (my now six month old). Even as a little grrrl, note the intense focus (and yellow eyes).

done with rant and done with the dam show-line aussies (fluffy bunny aussies with half the brains and twice the hair) ruining the breed and it s repputation as a farm dawg. Think AQHs and halter...

SandyHTF

Dec. 20, 2008, 06:34 PM

It's hard to choose a breed. For me, my 1st priority was a dog that would be loyal to the barn, meaning stay in the barn, chase off strange animals but not leave the property. It's also important that they are good with people, but not their best friends and either allow strangers to enter or be overly friendly with non-dog people. And I wanted a dog that I could live with and enjoy and not have to worry if they would be dog aggressive or chase the horses or eat the chickens. Good luck!

I have been liking the aussies and they are in the top look list. I am not so much breed focused as in "I simply must have a _______ !" I am more looking at the qualities that have been bred into dogs, particularly working breeds, over generations. The traits you describe are exactly what I am looking for (along with must not eat the barn cats).

I also have my limitations as an owner, so when I read that a breed tends to be very strong willed and the owner -must- be alpha, I know this is not a particularly good match for me. Horses I get, cats I get, dogs... not so much. :lol:

Thanks to everyone who has posted. It has been very helpful. I probably will not hit the shelters and rescues until after the holidays. I will also be looking to breeders... armed with a little research, when the right dog comes along, I'll know.

Bluey

Dec. 20, 2008, 08:21 PM

I wanted to add that many aussies, especially working ones, have their tails, are not bob tailed.
Only show lines are expected to have stubs.

Our aussie long ago was also of working lines, a terrific dog, raised little chicks for us like a mother hen and was the cat's preferred pillow:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a298/Robintoo/catanddog.jpg?t=1229822374

Equino

Dec. 20, 2008, 10:04 PM

I have been liking the aussies and they are in the top look list.

I also have my limitations as an owner, so when I read that a breed tends to be very strong willed and the owner -must- be alpha, I know this is not a particularly good match for me. Horses I get, cats I get, dogs... not so much. :lol:

Kinda funny you say this-my sister was NOT a dog-person and when she was looking for a puppy I thought,"Oh, boy...she needs the robot dog who will cuddle when she wants to cuddle, and lay by her feet when she doesn't want to be bothered..." She got an Aussie (a working Aussie, NOT a show bred puppy) and he is the PERFECT dog for her. Suddenly, she IS a dog person! And even turned down a training job because she couldn't bring her dog!

Equino

Dec. 21, 2008, 11:15 AM

Here's a picture of my boys:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30028036&l=781f1&id=1251447098

Cielo Azure-I find that to be true for many breeds-working Vs show ring. I've known many Aussies and Boarder Collies who were bred for the breed ring and still were wonderful working dogs, just bigger and fuller coats. But not every time. It's a shame when breeders are more concerned with looks and not what the breed was actually bred for. My Aussie has the same yellow eyes, and since he is a tri-red, he's pretty cool looking. He is built rather big and square for a working dog, but he didn't get the full coat of a show dog. No idea how he was bred-we bought him at a horse show...one of those impulse buys...luckily he has worked out wonderfully for us!

My Sheltie was bred to be a show breed dog, and he has the full coat. Luckily, he also has a wonderful temperament, great herding instincts and very smart. We show in obedience and about to start in agility, I just haven't had time to train herding. The only reason I was able to buy him is his testicle didn't drop and therefore couldn't be shown in breed.

wishnwell

Dec. 21, 2008, 02:27 PM

http://www.nasrn.com/Southern.htm

These guys need homes !

I was just going to suggest this breed. I actually only stumbled on them when I became a chicken owner and many, many folks use this breed or similar ones to protect their flocks because of their temperment with the birds. They are too big for Coyotes, will protect, but doesn't kill and is a good family pet. They won't give you the agility aspect you are looking for but there are plenty of other things you can do with them.
With any breed of dog, proper training and working with a GOOD breeder to help you understand the breed you choose it key to having success.

SandyHTF

Dec. 21, 2008, 02:45 PM

I was just going to suggest this breed. I actually only stumbled on them when I became a chicken owner and many, many folks use this breed or similar ones to protect their flocks because of their temperment with the birds. They are too big for Coyotes, will protect, but doesn't kill and is a good family pet. They won't give you the agility aspect you are looking for but there are plenty of other things you can do with them.
With any breed of dog, proper training and working with a GOOD breeder to help you understand the breed you choose it key to having success.

I looked at these when posted. They are beautiful dogs. I'll take another look. I was not looking to go huge or heavy coated, but to get close to what I need in a dog, I can certainly make some compromises.

Amchara

Dec. 21, 2008, 03:20 PM

I love the dog threads. I can't wait until I can have a dog and for now I settle with these threads of recommendation and a golden retriever (who barks a lot when someone comes onto the property but politely greets them) I frequently take care of.

What sort of qualities do you look for in any sort of dog to evaluate its potential as a farm dog? Sort of like when looking at kittens for barn cat you look for one that plays with toys and is possessive of them?

A family I was friends with got an Anatolian puppy when they started having some trouble with a neighbor. I got acquainted with her when she was young and that seemed to have a lasting impression with her that I was good to cuddle. I found her at the end of their long driveway once on the road (They were behind her, still in the driveway) and she wagged her tail when I called her name. I heard stories of her early on protective behaviors if something was out of place around the property, but as I said, each time I came over either on foot, vehicle or horse back I was greeted and treated like a welcomed guest. She was still young then, I'll have to see how she grew up since they moved.

I also took care of a literal handful of Border Collies. Even just being a frequent Dog Sitter I felt as if the dogs and I had a sort of bond (I imagine they were much closer with their owner). I felt very safe with the mere 40 or so pound male (my favorite) laying at my feet around the house and being outside with me. One day my mom came to help me let the dogs out and he surprised me by growling at her, but still allowing her to touch and pet him. I doubt that would have been his reaction if she just showed up though. They were trained sheep dogs were good about not going to work the sheep by themselves and only one had to be watched around the horses.

carp

Dec. 21, 2008, 05:13 PM

So the problem is that your trailer trash neighbors are freaking you out, and you want an intimidating but non-lethal guard animal? Have you considered a flock of geese? Geese are quite territorial and can be mean as heck when aroused. One of the funniest moments of my childhood was watching some geese drive off a couple of 20 year old guys who had intruded on their turf. The geese were hissing, flapping their wings, and pecking the guys on the butt. The guys were screeching and running as fast as they could, which wasn't quite fast enough to protect their posteriors. There was much injured machismo that day!

TinkerBells

Dec. 21, 2008, 05:22 PM

Anatolian Shepherd ... wonderful breed :D

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/anatolianshepherd.htm

Go Fish

Dec. 22, 2008, 01:59 PM

It sounds like you are going for the "intimidation" factor. Rottweilers have this going for them - a reputation, so to speak...and contrary to popular belief, they ARE herding dogs, and do well around livestock. As with any breed these days, buy from a reputable breeder, hopefully one who breeds and uses the dogs for what you are asking for. Another breed that has not been mentioned here is the Bouvier (SP?). My friend who has a 20-acre property with all sorts of livestock loves this breed. The dog is a herding breed, but very protective. Good size, too. Her male stays out all night to patrol the property. She lives in a fairly built-up area and has had no problems with people coming on her property. They do require some grooming - she keeps hers in a puppy clip...needs cut about twice a year. Great dogs...I would highly recommend them. Wonderful with the family/kids, too, but won't let the UPS guy out of the truck.