registering hanoverian - tb filly

[pb ranch]

I am interested in purchasing a filly. Her dam is a jc registered tb and her sire is a very nice Hanoverian stallion.
The mare is not yet approved by any warmblood registry. What are the filly's registration options?
There is a second option. Apparently because of extraordinary circumstances, the owners were given a dispensation from the Hanoverian registry and can present the mare and filly this year. Of course the mare still has to pass the inspection.
What are the limitations (for future breeding expecially) of the filly's not receiving the Hanoverian approval and registration?
I am also trying to determine value of the mare and filly as a package since both would have to be purchased if they will be presented this year for approval.
Is there a big difference in the filly's value with the Hanoverian approval as opposed to some other registry for which she may be qualified without the dam's having been approved by any warmblood registry before now?
Thanks for any information. I'm quite interested in purchaing in the filly.

[sniplover]

Is the Hanoverian stallion approved by any other registries? That's a tough registry to get anything other than outstanding TB mares approved into.

[pb ranch]

The stallion is Landkonig. I'll look at the website and see what it says about other approvals. The owner of the mare and filly mentioned Oldenburg as a possible registry as well as American Warmblood.
I'll look at the mare and filly tomorrow.
Thanks.

[sniplover]

According to his webpage (http://www.rainbowequus.com/Lankoenig.htm), "Landkönig is fully licensed and approved for breeding by The American Hanoverian Society. The German Hanoverian verb and (AHS & VHW) Oldenburg/ISR, AWR, AWS, approved by SWANA for Swedish mares, Canadian Warmblood and nominated for the International Jumper Futurity and hunter futurity."

So, you have a lot of options. If the TB mare is fairly nice, you should be able to get her into Oldenburg or ISR. If she's *really* nice, I'd go for Hanoverian.

I do recommend registering her with someone. I think it increases her value to future buyers down the road.

[clint]

The other major registries will require this filly's dam be approved too. Because the AHS requirements are strict for TB mares, I think getting approval there will enhance her value, but be sure you check whatever other registry options you have besides AHS, as without the mare being approved, you won't get full registration for the foal with them, either.

[pb ranch]

Now the filly is a 2008 filly so getting her dam approved so that it enables her to be registered may be time barred by some registries. I suppose what I need to do is to check those registries for the time. I am more familiar with one not mentioned here and I think the mare has to be approved *before* the mare is bred.
I'm just not famiilar enough with the registries to be sure.

The mare looks good in some of her photos but I can't tell as much as I want to about the front hooves and lower legs.

Thanks.

[clint]

I'm not sure which registry you are familiar with that isn't mentioned, but it will make things much easier for you if you go to one of the registries with which Landkonig is approved.

[sniplover]

I know that many of the wb registries will approve a mare with a foal at her side, then subsequently approve the foal at her side during that inspection. It wouldn't surprise me if other registries would be willing to provide a similar dispensation as the AHS if you tell them the story... I saw something similar happen at an ISR inspection this fall.

[Stacie]

If you are interested in purchasing her as a breeding prospect, her value is likely not going to be as high as an inspected filly out of an Elite mare. There are ALOT of outstanding babies out there and they are likely a better value than buying both filly and dam. (Unless the dam is REALLY nice)
Another option, for breeding, would be to get a Certificate of Pedigree from AHS (which does not require that the dam be inspected) and then have the filly inspected as a broodmare by the GOV. She would be in a low book, however.
If you really like the filly for a riding horse and want to preserve her pedigree, the CP would be the ticket.

[pb ranch]

The idea would be to train the filly and then, if she proves to be a good mare, use her as a brood mare - though that is in the long-term, it is part of the plan.

I need to see them obviously, but with the status of the registrations, I am wondering what the value is. Obviously, I would need a contingency plan in the event they mare and or the filly are not successful. The mare, at a minimum has her JC papers.

Thanks for the information. The certificate of pedigree is there at least. What about RSPI, though?

[Tiki]

Now the filly is a 2008 filly so getting her dam approved so that it enables her to be registered may be time barred by some registries. The dam doesn't get registered - she is already registered JC if she has JC papers, she gets inspected and approved for breeding. It is the filly that gets inspected and registered. If you can't take her until next year, as most, if not all, inspections are done for this year, you will have to bring the dam to an inspection and get her approved for breeding. Then (at the same inspection) the filly can be presented. As the filly will be 1 year old at that time, and not on the mare, you will possibly need DNA testing to register the filly.

[DownYonder]

Landkönig is also approved by the Oldenburg Horse Breeders Society / Oldenburg Verband (GOV). If you can get the filly and her dam to one of their inspections in 2009, you could get full Oldenburg papers for the filly. That is definitely better than a COP from AHS. You can get more info at http://www.oldenburghorse.com .