Rolex'09...possible 5*!

[jpalisades]

Did anyone hear about this!?!?! Adding yet another level, short format(?), to eventing.

The following is the heading under the Rolex three day for next year, as published on the online omnibus...


USEF LicensedRolex Kentucky Three-Day Event
USEF CCI4* Championship – Note: FEI General Assembly will vote in November on whether Eventing CCIs will move up in star levels. If so, 2009 will be 5*.

[talkofthetown]

Does that mean they're re-naming all the levels? Or is a 5* even bigger than the current 4*?

[flutie1]

Does that mean they're re-naming all the levels? Or is a 5* even bigger than the current 4*?

Just renaming in an effort to further confuse everyone!

[eventing addict]

Could someone please explain?

[2016 RoyalCrown KTug]

I believe a 5* is higher than a 4*. Correct me if im wrong . . isn't there is something different about a 5*?? . . . like the way its run or something? I cant for the life of me remember :confused:

[lstevenson]

From what I've heard, they are making the half star a one star, and then bumping the others up. So it's just the title that is changing. They are not adding a higher level.

[talkofthetown]

Just renaming in an effort to further confuse everyone!

Sneaky bastards! :lol:

[gchildean]

I believe that a training 3 day will be a 1*, prelim 2*, intermediate 3*, advanced 4*, and the old 4* could be a 5*. I remember discussion about this last year at the meeting. I could be totally wrong and I have now confused even myself.

[Jealoushe]

I think it's lame

[talkofthetown]

I believe that a training 3 day will be a 1*, prelim 2*, intermediate 3*, advanced 4*, and the old 4* could be a 5*. I remember discussion about this last year at the meeting. I could be totally wrong and I have now confused even myself.

That was my impression, from an older thread. But why try to confuse everyone? Just leave it the way it is-calling it a half star is fine with me.

[gchildean]

My only concern with this is that the FEI will now be involved with the training 3 day. This means more $ we are going to have to fork out. FEI memberships, horse registration, passports. The list goes on.

[LAZ]

If the 1/2 * goes to FEI, then the cost of the thing goes up. FEI competitions require much more paperwork and the use of FEI officials and generally just become more of a hassle.

I hate to see this happen.

[gchildean]

also would this mean that the training 3 day still be run as a "learning expirence"? Or would it just become a regular 3day without the great clinics.

[Janet]

also would this mean that the training 3 day still be run as a "learning expirence"? Or would it just become a regular 3day without the great clinics.
Up to th organizers.

If the organizers run it as an official FEI event, then it would come under ALL the FEI rules and fees.

But the organizers could, if they chose, continue to run a "learning experience at the (new) * level".

[tx3dayeventer]

Up to th organizers.

If the organizers run it as an official FEI event, then it would come under ALL the FEI rules and fees.

But the organizers could, if they chose, continue to run a "learning experience at the (new) * level".

Would that not be very similar to the CCI* and what used to be a CCN*???

[canterlope]

Up to th organizers.

If the organizers run it as an official FEI event, then it would come under ALL the FEI rules and fees.

But the organizers could, if they chose, continue to run a "learning experience at the (new) * level".Not exactly.

Currently, Eventing is the only FEI discipline using the star system that does not have a 5* level. If (there is talk that the FEI has postponed until next year the decision about going to a 5* system for Eventing) the system is adopted, there will not be a harder level added at the top, but rather an easier level added at the bottom. Then, the current levels will all bump up one star (i.e. 4* will become 5*). However, at this time plans are not for the 1/2* to become the new 1*. The proposed specs indicate that the new 1* will be a 3'5" division, putting it between Training and Preliminary. The 1/2 would remain outside the scope of the FEI.

[deltawave]

Cool, that means I've gotten high ribbons in a one-star and competed in a two-star! Woohoo! :p

But I hope the FEI doesn't muck around with the Training 3 Days and take all the joy out of them. :mad:

[flutie1]

My only concern with this is that the FEI will now be involved with the training 3 day. This means more $ we are going to have to fork out. FEI memberships, horse registration, passports. The list goes on.

Exactly. I suspect the FEI saw the success of the Half Star as we've developed it and wanted to get in on the act for potential revenue opportunities.

[OneDaySoon]

What does this mean for all the events currently publicizing these events in 2009? For example, does that now mean the * at Fair Hill in May will now be at the Training/Prelim standard...or still at the Prelim standard?

Any idea when this goes into effect?

[bornfreenowexpensive]

Not exactly.

The proposed specs indicate that the new 1* will be a 3'5" division, putting it between Training and Preliminary. The 1/2 would remain outside the scope of the FEI.


That actually doesn't sound like a bad idea. Just wonder if they will have enough entries to make it worth while. Seems like even the * now are struggling a bit.

[RiverBendPol]

DAMN that FEI. This is so stoopit it makes me INSAAAAAAANE.

[Hilary]

oooh! Just like women's clothing sizes.. people don't want to be a 12, so they make the clothes bigger and keep the size the same and voila we end up with a bunch of normal sized people saying 'I wear a 4'.

Or how we've adopted BN as a legitimate level, when 30 years ago "Pre training" (now called Novice) used to be considered just for the kids.

I suppose it doesn't really matter what they call the levels. My husband calls them "stupid" and "ridiculous" (I disagree)


Just don't make it so hard MORE horses die.

[pinkroyal]

yay i've done a 3 star!

[Divine Comedy]

I gotta admit, a * that is between a Training and Preliminary doesn't sound like a bad idea.

Only, of course, if the half star stays put, stays under the USEA jurisdiction, and stays a learning experience.

I just think it would be good to have that step up from Training to Preliminary. So say, have the following levels in order of difficulty:

T
1/2 *
*
P
**

I'd be okay with that if they wanted to give it a shot.

[WakeRider]

I'm very concerned for the nature of the Training half star. Personally, i was attracted to the half star as a learning experiences. Yes the competition was great (got a wonderful blue ribbon so long ago :D) but the real pleasure of the half star was learning! Lets face it, the half star is for aspiring young riders, adult amateurs or young horses. TO LEARN. The informal setting is key for all three of these categories. The clinics ( Waredaca had a pre-steelplechase lesson for example) are key to understanding how to run a true *. With the FEI involved i don't see how this could happen $$$$$$$$$. The fun, relaxed setting turns into a headache of paperwork (remember those fun FEI passports) and fees. I think it is a sad day when the learning experience of the half star becomes regulated....

[deltawave]

WR, I just looked at your website (love the Palomino) and am wondering . . . I get "defying gravity", it's a great phrase. But why would you say "defying excellence"? :) Maybe you want "defining" instead? Or if you're going to defy something--maybe expectations? :)

[HunterJumperLuv]

Hey, I was just curious where you guys got this info, because I couldnt find anything of the sort in the omnibus listing...

[retreadeventer]

Wow. I kinda like the new level -- that fits me very well -- but I don't think the training level three day is what they are worried about. We are small potatoes compared to the really big events the FEI feels the need to watch out for.
That however would really change things if they move a new level into the star categories. Pity the poor organizers!
And Courtney it was only three years ago that you won!

[Jazzy Lady]

I guess that means since I did an (old) *, then I'm skipping right into ***... random... and seemingly unnecessary.

[CookiePony]

If the 1/2 * goes to FEI, then the cost of the thing goes up. FEI competitions require much more paperwork and the use of FEI officials and generally just become more of a hassle.

I hate to see this happen.

Ugh, me too. :(

[msghook]

The FEI has been thinking about creating a new 1* level competition at around 3'5" as an introduction to International competition and aimed at "developing nations". If they did this, all the existing levels would be bounced up * to fit. This would bring Eventing in line with the other FEI disciplines. Rolex for instance would continue to run with obstacle specifications exactly as they have been, but it would be a 5*. Fairhill would become a 4*.

However, the FEI has decided to postpone any further action for a year, so in 2009, nothing changes.

None of this would impact the 1/2*(Training 3 Days) that we currently run in this country.

So everyone, relax for a bit.

Malcolm

[jpalisades]

Hey, I was just curious where you guys got this info, because I couldnt find anything of the sort in the omnibus listing...


Here is the link to the online omnibus where the mentioning of a 5* for Rolex is noted http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?section=calendar&event=14052

I had not heard of this before, until I was looking at the information for Rolex. There is a whole group of us planning on making the trip to watch. I was shocked when I read that. I am glad to hear that "they" are redoing the star system through the levels. I was worried that "they" were adding another level, when our current levels have more problems to deal with than any ULs want to admit too!

Please, to anyone who is listening who is in the "in-elite-whos who" group DONT MESS WITH THE T3D!

[CookiePony]

None of this would impact the 1/2*(Training 3 Days) that we currently run in this country.


Thanks so much for this news, Malcolm.

[HunterJumperLuv]

Here is the link to the online omnibus where the mentioning of a 5* for Rolex is noted http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?section=calendar&event=14052



Weird. I was on there yesterday, clicked through the omnibus site to that page (i thought ;P) And it definatly didnt say anything about 5*. Interesting.

Thanks for the link!