Horse Shopping at PSI - which one to take home?

[nero]

http://www.psi-auktion.de/englisch/s535357.html

This is a nice catalogue this year, not great but quite solid. I like 19, Lollipop (always a sucker for Lord Sinclair), 20, Barnaby and number 24, St Emilion (so handsome) the most, maybe I'll buy all three!! ;-)

[Sabine]

cool to watch- nice horses- not so sure I like what they are doing with them...their backs are locked and their legs are all over the place...;)!!

[Kareen]

I've given up watching but Sabine's post tells me nothing really changes. Good luck shopping *LOL*

[slc2]

It's far better than most 'auction training'. That excited way of going has been going on for hundreds of years, and it doesn't take long to get the horses to relax and stretch. European trainers do it all the time and are familiar with how to do it. It takes about a year to get familiar with a new horse any way - might as well spend it training the horse more in the way you like. The horses DO learn to go forward and not having that is worse.

Nero, your picks are not my faves. I think Stine and I can 't remember the other one, will look again.

[mortebella]

ooo, I'll take Amicelli Gold and Zafiro, and I like Blickpunkt too! :)

[Kareen]

It's far better than most 'auction training'. That excited way of going has been going on for hundreds of years, and it doesn't take long to get the horses to relax and stretch. European trainers do it all the time and are familiar with how to do it. It takes about a year to get familiar with a new horse any way - might as well spend it training the horse more in the way you like. The horses DO learn to go forward and not having that is worse.

Nero, your picks are not my faves. I think Stine and I can 't remember the other one, will look again.

Yes that's why so many Ex-PSI horses show up later on in life and win at upper levels *giggle*.
It would be pretty sad if it took an entire year to get to know a new horse. A few weeks, sure but a year? What are you doing in all that time, say hello to each individual hair? Just curious...
I'd say going forward on specific cues is something that comes very early in any known training scale whether you are training a working horse, a jumper or a dressage horse. If someone already has problems with that where's the point to even worry about anything that comes later?

[egontoast]

It would be pretty sad if it took an entire year to get to know a new horse. A few weeks, sure but a year? What are you doing in all that time, say hello to each individual hair? Just curious...


Good question! Maybe it takes several months to google up the right animal communicator .

[EqTrainer]

Some choices are impossible to make. Buy them all; sell the one(s) you don't like.

[canticle]

Sorry, but the does anyone else find the silly music and voiceovers hilarious?

The auction riding and incorrect training may be correctable, but I am seeing some conformation flaws. It's interesting that conformation is not stressed? Please do your homework, get a vet check, and don't judge a horse by its auction trot. :)

[Kareen]

Can we raise a rescue fund? There are quite a couple I could find veeery nice homes for :)
Maybe if we gathered up as a shopping group and bought four or five and promise never to return them I could get a way with their lawnmower for free... The facility is definitely well maintained and suits the purpose there's no argueing that.
Re. Music and voiceover: Way less pathetic than some of the other obscenities I've heard at auctions if you ask ignorant me. I actually think the describtions are rather decend (except for the fact they seem to be created for the mentally retarded as they tell you what the bloodlines are and then repeat them right away as if talking to a toddler). I would also wish for a bit more credit to the breeder, quite a lot of these horses are out of 'a mare' and bred nowhere but what the brand says for obvious reasons *LOL*. Donations anybody?

[reidsporthorses.nz]

i'd take #24 St Emilion.

#14- is he 1/2 andalusian?

[nhwr]

I am only shopping for mares these days, lol. So there isn't much of a selection to chose from. But if I were shopping I think #24 looks interesting and #26, though there is no video of him - interesting bloodline and very nice type, IMO.

I know a few people who have purchased PSI horses. It is my impression that it is more about buying a PSI horse than buying a spectacular horse. But I am sure it would be fun to go and watch :D

[Kareen]

Absolutely. The Galaevening is grand for sightseeing. Great food, giant egos, many celebrities from the horseshow scene. Running around here it's interesting to see just how many Ex-PSI horses there are out here and what became of them.
I'll never get the excitement about buying a PSI horse though. If I want to feel special and cared for that's what a good spa is for, or a husband. But then I've also got used to buying rolls in the gasstation or coffeetraders selling scent candles over the last couple of years *LOL*.
I'm sure there are less pleasant ways to spend your $$ :)

[egontoast]

I'll never get the excitement about buying a PSI horse though

That's hardly surprising. You are also trying to sell a bunch of eurowbs.:lol:

[nero]

cool to watch- nice horses- not so sure I like what they are doing with them...their backs are locked and their legs are all over the place...;)!!

Yes, I was wondering about the video production though. It looks sped up in its transfer to the web and with the camera on the dolly tracks it makes it look faster or bigger, some of the horses look like they are on amphetamines!! Where's the fire!! Yikes. I was so wanting them to just come back to the rider a bit and carry themselves. The voice overs are hilarious, but then again they are trying to make it sound lyrical and enticing and using old fashion english - which is their second (at least) language. Maybe all those adjectives sound beter in German?


"Please do your homework, get a vet check, and don't judge a horse by its auction trot".

Um, not sure if this comment was intended for me canticle, but don't worry, the things I appreciate in a horse is a canter and walk and good hind leg, the trot, not so much, plus I ain't buying ANYTHING, just fantasising, you know, having a bit of fun - a concept which seems to have deserted this BB of late. Can't seem to post anything without having my head jumped on! Might have to go back to you know where for some levity! ;-)

[slc2]

"Yes that's why so many Ex-PSI horses show up later on in life and win at upper levels *giggle*."

You got something better?

It's like most sales, just better known. They don't do anything the other guys don't also do.

"a YEAR? What are you doing, saying hello to every hair?"

Well bless your heart, :D

It takes time to get synched up with a new horse. Every horse is different, a real laid back type might be figured out pretty quick, other horses are more complicated.

Sure in a few days you're pals, in a few weeks you have some sort of idea how to get on him and walk trot and canter, and in 3 weeks from when I got one horse i was showing him, but it takes time to really get synched up.

you have to change the training of the horse to fit you, change your riding to fit the horse, and probably fix some of the training that was done incorrectly or just doesn't suit you.

When a horse goes through the auction process, or in some cases, a sale barn, he may have spent months getting ridden by a bunch of different people, not all are going to be good riders. It takes some time to get that all straightened out. Probably someone like Isabel Werth, it doesn't take much time. But most people aren't her and haven't gotten and brought along 40 or 50 auction horses in the last little while.

[nero]

Nero, your picks are not my faves. I think Stine and I can 't remember the other one, will look again. Fair enough, we can't all like the same thing, I do like Stine very much though, a lot of balance and relaxation for a three year old, and she is so pretty. Which is the other one you like?

[slc2]

i gots to go and get on the ones i have right now, lol, but i'll try to get some time later to look at the videos again. the second time i tried to go thru the videos oddly a lot of the long videos began stopping and exiting after about 10 seconds, not sure why, but if that is still happening, i am not sure if i can answer your question.

[Kareen]

You got something better?


In a way yes :) But it's good not everybody has the same taste and different goals in life. As far as breeding goes I can rightfully say we've been more successful than PS/Kasselmann. You have to break it down to successful offspring per mare though or if you prefer so to percentage of horses exceeding 2000 Euro/4000 DM lifetime earnings out of all foals put on the ground by said programme. It is very difficult to breed 1400 mares a year and not have anything that is far above average (and I'm not even going into the influence of a high-end setup with a ginormous budget to promote under saddle). It also becomes decreasingly difficult to get stallions licensed or young horses qualified for BC if you economically dominate the registry said stallions are presented to and routinely finance local shows to present your own horses who magically score at least 1.5 higher than anyone else's. I don't take issue with someone doing economically well. Quite the opposite, I applaud them. I do take issue with people who hurt the sport which is inevitable wherever the principle 'the better one wins' is left for the sake of one individual or entity's business.

Since one has to go with data publicly available (FN stats, yearbooks of the last three decades, press releases) one can only speculate about aspects such as individual lifespan, medical expenses per horse and year, percentage of foals surviving their 3rd year of life, lifetime performance of individual broodmares etc.
Re. excitement: I do understand the attraction of an elite auction concept in general and am a frequent auction-shopper at two major Verbands (not for myself though!) so this has nothing to do with competition or envy (as far as it exceeds the aboveexpressed desire for a more efficient lawn-mower ;) )
I also doubt many of the PSI clientele would put a foot on someone's farm or indoor to look at a 3yo in furry wintercoat doing wtc like a 3yo should reasonably do*LOL*. That's why they spend a multitude of what's normally paid so I'd say they are entitled to shop where they chose to and it's none of my or anyone else's business.

[swgarasu]

What a fun site ^_^. Each one is like a real movie- I want some buttered popcorn and some candy!
I like this one - Alando Palais. He looks like a bunny with that long head and long ears. :D Yup, totally superficial, not critiquing movement at all, just like his chrome and long face.