Extensive report of the first day of the courtcase against Christine W.

[freestyle2music]

Metaldetectors, a whole bunch of policemen and security people had to make sure that Christine W. couldn't be harmed by horse-lovers. Allthough the lawyer of CW tried to get this courtcase "behind cloese doors". The judge refused this request.

A short recap about the defense of CW.

The video's are manipulated, the German vets and experts are biased, so he asked for vets and experts from other countries, CW is already punished enough etc.....

http://www.st-georg.de/news/detail.php?objectID=3567&class=6

Maybee some vets on this board can volunteer in this case :cool:

[Equibrit]

It would be nice if we could read it.

[freestyle2music]

It would be nice if we could read it.

Learn the language ;) or read the recap :yes: or wait untill Eurodressage or H&H translate it for you.

[J-Lu]

Learn the language ;) or read the recap :yes: or wait untill Eurodressage or H&H translate it for you.

Maybe you could wait until an english link comes up before you post links on an english-speaking board? What's the point of starting a thread that links to a German article? Surely you are on German speaking boards that you can post German links to...

[freestyle2music]

Maybe you could wait until an english link comes up before you post links on an english-speaking board? What's the point of starting a thread that links to a German article? Surely you are on German speaking boards that you can post German links to...

Because many more people than you think can read Dutch, German and French on this board..
So it's obvious that you don't speak for all the posters on this board.
Sjeeeees you even had a national dressage coach who only speaks German.

And the funny thing is that tons of English speaking people are posting on Dutch and German BB's to ask for a job in the dressage-bussiness.

Next to this the best invention of this board is the ignore button !

[ridgeback]

Maybe you could wait until an english link comes up before you post links on an english-speaking board? What's the point of starting a thread that links to a German article? Surely you are on German speaking boards that you can post German links to...

Thank you J-Lu maybe the few that read German, Dutch and or French can PM Theo and he can email them the German/Dutch version and only post the English version on this U.S. board. :yes:

Not sure what people posting on German boards looking for a job has to do with posting German/Dutch articles on a English speaking board???

[slc2]

So we're now having fits about non english articles on the bulletin board.

what a small, small world, LOL!

Only a few years ago there was virtually no american dressage press and we just did without.

It's so easy to take the article and run it through a free online translator. The results aren't perfect, but one can get the gist of the article.

[ridgeback]

Could you be any more of a drama queen SLC where is anyone throwing a fit. Just pointing out the obvious:yes:

[slc2]

your deep knowledge of karam must be getting to you. I said nothing dramatic, the drama already happened before I got here, the complaints about how awful it is that anyone posts anything here in anything but english. We get a ton of gripes here, from the same people over and over usually, if anyone makes a peep here in a different language. like i said, it's a small, small world, LOL.

[freestyle2music]

Next to this, there is another hugh problem, because many dressage-words can not be translated in English, without loosing the deeper meaning of the word. I just downloaded a series of DVD's called "The Old Dressage Masters on Tour" ( now you also know how Klaus is earning his money these day's).

A wonderfull series of clinics and interviews. At least when you understand German and understand what all these very specific words mean.

Next to this, the people who are surfing this board for an extensive period know that in the past I even subtitled many/all video's of clinics from the European trainers which I posted. But since people like Ridgeback and his clowns entered this COTH-arena I really don't want to go through all this trouble anymore.

[Equibrit]

It is quite sensible in my view to post English on an English speaking board and vice versa. How does complaining about doing the contrary relate to having a fit, karam, or the size of the world? Maybe you could take up posting in Japanese slc2 ?

It is surely not beyond the wit of a Dutchman to "run it through a free online translator" before posting, or just don't bother.
And BTW who is Hugh ?

[J-Lu]

Because many more people than you think can read Dutch, German and French on this board..
So it's obvious that you don't speak for all the posters on this board.
Sjeeeees you even had a national dressage coach who only speaks German.

And the funny thing is that tons of English speaking people are posting on Dutch and German BB's to ask for a job in the dressage-bussiness.

Next to this the best invention of this board is the ignore button !

Oh brother. I should have quoted your response when it was more light hearted and pleasant...back when I didn't feel compelled to respond. I'm surprised you went back and changed it. The languages spoken or not spoken by the US former national coach, and the English speakers posting on Dutch and German BBs are also irrelevant to this conversation. It gets annoying, Theo, when you link to foreign articles and don't bother to spend time translating. This is a primarily english speaking board, and I can't imagine it would put a crimp in your day to spend some time translating your links. It's just... courtesy.

J.

[egontoast]

What's the big deal? I don't get why people are so offended because someone posts a link that is in another language. Maybe that's because I live in country where there are different languages floating around and I don't understand them all. I figure that's my problem and that's life.

No one is forcing you to read it.

This is not just an American board, is it? I thought it was an international board. If the owners want it to be just Americans here, they could enforce that. If it's an international board, then occasionally you might see something in a different language. So what?

it's a link to a german magazine so it's going to be in German. I like to see the link so I know where it came from. I guess we can all use online translators if we want to do that.

[J-Lu]

So we're now having fits about non english articles on the bulletin board.

what a small, small world, LOL!

Only a few years ago there was virtually no american dressage press and we just did without.

It's so easy to take the article and run it through a free online translator. The results aren't perfect, but one can get the gist of the article.

Having fits? How old are you, slc?

Yes, it would be really pleasant for anyone posting to simply run the article through a translator and post that translation in the body of the original post. The OP could then provide a link to the original for all of the native speakers. It's alot easier for the OP to post ONE translation than for everyone else to have to run the article through a translator and then come back to this page to comment. It's just BB courtesy. Sheesh.

[J-Lu]

What's the big deal? I don't get why people are so offended because someone posts a link that is in another language. Maybe that's because I live in country where there are different languages floating around and I don't understand them all. I figure that's my problem and that's life.

No one is forcing you to read it.

This is not just an American board, is it? I thought it was an international board. If the owners want it to be just Americans here, they could enforce that. If it's an international board, then occasionally you might see something in a different language. So what?

it's a link to a german magazine so it's going to be in German. I like to see the link so I know where it came from. I guess we can all use online translators if we want to do that.

Pulleeeze. Who said anyone wanted only Americans on this board or that there aren't international people here. You miss the point completely.

[canyonoak]

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt

loose translation::

Heyser worked out of a stableyard where the Heyser family trained. Here, Wels was entrusted with horses to train.

Wels' laawyers tried to have the prosecution wtinesses removed, saying that the veterinary consultants were biased because of their association with the FN.
Theyw ere asked for expert opinions of what was seen in the videos.

The lawyers tried to bar the use of the videos as trespassing on Wel's privacy but this was also overruled.
The prosecution's first witness was the vet tech who took the video. Wels' lawyers tried to prove that the tape has been cut/spliced and otherwise falsified...

Description of how crazy woman tied up and beat the horse...

Second witness testified that each and every time Wels rode, there was always blood, always beatings, that the horses would try to escape and put holes in the walls of the arena.
The trial continues on Thursday. Altogether, the trial is expected to last 7 days.

+++++++++++++++++++

[freestyle2music]

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt

loose translation::

Heyser worked out of a stableyard where the Heyser family trained. Here, Wels was entrusted with horses to train.

Wels' laawyers tried to have the prosecution wtinesses removed, saying that the veterinary consultants were biased because of their association with the FN.
Theyw ere asked for expert opinions of what was seen in the videos.

The lawyers tried to bar the use of the videos as trespassing on Wel's privacy but this was also overruled.
The prosecution's first witness was the vet tech who took the video. Wels' lawyers tried to prove that the tape has been cut/spliced and otherwise falsified...

Description of how crazy woman tied up and beat the horse...

Second witness testified that each and every time Wels rode, there was always blood, always beatings, that the horses would try to escape and put holes in the walls of the arena.
The trial continues on Thursday. Altogether, the trial is expected to last 7 days.

+++++++++++++++++++


Seeeeeeee it can be done. Thanx Canyon.

And

Anky wrote a wonderfull article in our major Dutch paper today in which she defended Courtney King and talked about how stupid this Zero-tollerance rules are.

She also put some wood on the fire by declaring that she wondered why La Withages using the word democratic in the on-going case between the EB and DC, because, like Anky stated the last 10 years we didn't see a lot of democratic processes in the DC.

[MEP]

Anky wrote a wonderfull article in our major Dutch paper today in which she defended Courtney King and talked about how stupid this Zero-tollerance rules are.

I'm soooo glad to see A Big Name Rider speak out publicly about this. (Thanks Theo for mentioning the article). Others may have done - I'm limited in the information I can get because I only speak/read English - but I would hope that many more riders, trainers, and owners would make strong statements - it's time for the policy to be more realistic.

I posted the FEI press release about the new committee on another thread.

[Equibrit]

Seeeeeeee it can be done. Thanx Canyon.


So - why can't you do it ?

[freestyle2music]

I'm soooo glad to see A Big Name Rider speak out publicly about this. (Thanks Theo for mentioning the article). Others may have done - I'm limited in the information I can get because I only speak/read English - but I would hope that many more riders, trainers, and owners would make strong statements - it's time for the policy to be more realistic.

I posted the FEI press release about the new committee on another thread.

Yes I noticed this, and yes Anky did go very far in her comment. One of her statements that impressed me most (because it's so true) was. "The FEI talks about the wellness of the horses, but when you need something to calm down your horse when the dentist is treading him/her you have to cancel weeks of competition. Other sporters during the Olympics were using tons of medication, but our horses weren't allowed to use anything. It isn't so difficult to introduce a medical pasport for the horses."

[Ambrey]

Yes, it would be really pleasant for anyone posting to simply run the article through a translator and post that translation in the body of the original post. The OP could then provide a link to the original for all of the native speakers. It's alot easier for the OP to post ONE translation than for everyone else to have to run the article through a translator and then come back to this page to comment. It's just BB courtesy. Sheesh.

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/

You can just put the link in and it will give you a translation in original graphic context.

Seriously, not a stretch if a lousy translation is all you want. I kind of prefer to see the discussion between native speakers, I think it adds more.

[freestyle2music]

So - why can't you do it ?

I only spend time on my friends and not on keyboard warriors ;)

[MelantheLLC]

Oh, and here I thought this was a thread about the Christine Wels trial.

My mistake.

[ridgeback]

Oh, and here I thought this was a thread about the Christine Wels trial.

My mistake.

Hope you can read German:lol::lol::lol:

[Equibrit]

I only spend time on my friends and not on keyboard warriors ;)

In that case, one has to wonder why you try so hard to impress these "keyboard warriors".

[ridgeback]

In that case, one has to wonder why you try so hard to impress these "keyboard warriors".

What are keyboard warriors?

[Equibrit]

Must be one of those neutral nation things.

[Nojacketrequired]

A person from another country, who knows that there may be people here interested in how this case is progressing, takes the time to post a short recap of the trial and a link to an article that some may find of interest. The article is in the OP's language, as that is how it was printed originally. Normally, the majority of us wouldn't have known the article existed (and we have the ability to translate it (loosely) through Babelfish), but the OP took the time to note it for us.

And now some also want the OP to TRANSLATE it?

Who was your servant LAST year?

The info was offered to you...if you're interested get off your butt and run it through Babelfish.

With a response like that, it wouldn't surprise me if the OP just didn't bother anymore. Which would be a shame for those of us who are interested.

NJR

[ridgeback]

A person from another country, who knows that there may be people here interested in how this case is progressing, takes the time to post a short recap of the trial and a link to an article that some may find of interest. The article is in the OP's language, as that is how it was printed originally. Normally, the majority of us wouldn't have known the article existed (and we have the ability to translate it (loosely) through Babelfish), but the OP took the time to note it for us.

And now some also want the OP to TRANSLATE it?

Who was your servant LAST year?

The info was offered to you...if you're interested get off your butt and run it through Babelfish.

With a response like that, it wouldn't surprise me if the OP just didn't bother anymore. Which would be a shame for those of us who are interested.

NJR

:rolleyes::rolleyes: I would agree but since he's on this board all day and night not sure when he sleeps..posting at 2,3, 4 am some of us think the least he could do is translate into english...

[torontodressage]

:rolleyes::rolleyes: I would agree but since he's on this board all day and night not sure when he sleeps..posting at 2,3, 4 am some of us think the least he could do is translate into english...

Theo thanks for sending me the translation:yes::yes:

[Foxtrot's]

I, for one, appreciate the info from the othere side of the pond - thanks Theo. It is always the same old people tearing into each other and this is the dressage board, right?
:)

[Dressurfan]

I also appreciate the info and the link to the article. If I couldn't read the original language then I would put it through an online translation myself. Anyone that has gone to college would know it's better to have an original document anyway! ;)
There is also nothing wrong with learning new languages, I would be pleased to see articles posted here written in dutch or flemmish for example.
I think the OP also meant that we Americans expect to go to Europe with no foreign language skills and get a job in their stables (posting in English on Dutch and German boards) and then they simply try to keep us informed about what is going on in the dressage world and we flip out?? That is not polite of us!

[slc2]

"at 2, 3, 4 am"..."he never sleeps"

I think you forgot theo is in holland. those are normal wake up times.

[Ambrey]

"at 2, 3, 4 am"..."he never sleeps"

I think you forgot theo is in holland. those are normal wake up times.

What, they don't change all of their schedules to match ours? That seems very antagonistic to our sense of American superiority ;)

[Bugs-n-Frodo]

All of the rest of this aside, I want to see Christine W. found guilty. I do not care WHAT you do to a video, YOU CAN NOT edit/splice something like that INTO a video. The nasty woman beat horses and she should be found guilty of doing so. I am extremely interested in the outcome of this trial. The video of her abusing these horses made me cry and the visions are indelible in my mind.

[freestyle2music]

Making music for my clients it's my key-business. So picture me in my studio listening to music and watching the gaits of these wonderfull ponies and horses and trying to nail the music to the g aits of the horses. Everyone who also do this work, as a hobby or a profession, knows that sometimes you have time to keep yourself focussed on the job while at other times you have time to do some sideline jobs like surfing the wwweb and/or translating articles from one language into another. The last months I have been very busy and couldn't create time to translate articles and press-releases, but since many people on this forum told me that they would/could take over this job, and we have all kind of Babble-like utilities available I thought all I did was a service to my fellow posters on this board. However since some sharks on this board consider every message coming from me as blood, I don't want to spend time anymore in translating or explaining things about dressage.

Next to this translating is always a very tricky thing to do (specially with the sharks swimming around). Let's look and listen at the video sequence of Klaus Balkenholl about how he guided the American team to the bronze medal. Klaus was only communicating with the US riders in German, and there was a voice over who translated German into English. However manyyyyy German words can not be translated in English, and allthough the voice over did a very good job he also very often missed the point.

To the sharks on this board I can only say put my name under the ignore button, but don't try to spoil the party for other members of this board.

Did I tell you that the video-serie about the Old-Dressage-Masters tour which i posted on Viddler and which consists of 24 hours of clinics (in German language) was watched mosty (63%) by people from the US.

Theo

[ridgeback]

Theo you are not a shark even though you often post lies about me and we do all appreciate the time you spend on this forum and all the good info you post.

[SGray]

any news on the Wels trial?

[freestyle2music]

any news on the Wels trial?

The first who will publish everything is :

http://www.st-georg.de/

You can also read everything about the latest (suprising) devolpments in the Christian Alhman doping case.

[canyonoak]

I emphatically hope that Ahlmann is able to start riding again as of Dec. 19.

Why and how the CAS can agree to hear an appeal from the FN is beyond me. I don't even understand how that can be legal.

Now that the FEI Dressage Committee members are starting to resign, here's hoping there is a big shake-up at the German FN as well.

For those who do not click on the st.georg link--New German show jumping team coach Otto Becker says that he would welcome Ahlmann to the German team if his suspension comes to an end; that he, Becker, hopes that the situation is resolved sooner than later; that Germany needs younger riders coming up. SO Becker is politely disagreeing with certain powerful members of the FN --which hired Becker in the first place.

[freestyle2music]

I emphatically hope that Ahlmann is able to start riding again as of Dec. 19.

Why and how the CAS can agree to hear an appeal from the FN is beyond me. I don't even understand how that can be legal.

Now that the FEI Dressage Committee members are starting to resign, here's hoping there is a big shake-up at the German FN as well.

For those who do not click on the st.georg link--New German show jumping team coach Otto Becker says that he would welcome Ahlmann to the German team if his suspension comes to an end; that he, Becker, hopes that the situation is resolved sooner than later; that Germany needs younger riders coming up. SO Becker is politely disagreeing with certain powerful members of the FN --which hired Becker in the first place.

You don't have to be an expert in reading between the lines to know that Becker disagrees with the FN. To me it's obvious that since Germany is losing her leading role in many equestrian disciplines they are in panic.

[MEP]

I emphatically hope that Ahlmann is able to start riding again as of Dec. 19.

Why and how the CAS can agree to hear an appeal from the FN is beyond me. I don't even understand how that can be legal.

Now that the FEI Dressage Committee members are starting to resign, here's hoping there is a big shake-up at the German FN as well.

For those who do not click on the st.georg link--New German show jumping team coach Otto Becker says that he would welcome Ahlmann to the German team if his suspension comes to an end; that he, Becker, hopes that the situation is resolved sooner than later; that Germany needs younger riders coming up. SO Becker is politely disagreeing with certain powerful members of the FN --which hired Becker in the first place.

Three cheers for Otto Becker!

[slc2]

I really don't think the Germans are losing it and panicking, theo.:lol: They are still at the top of the heap, the heap just got a little wider, that's all.

[ridgeback]

I really don't think the Germans are losing it and panicking, theo.:lol: They are still at the top of the heap, the heap just got a little wider, that's all.

For sure the German's will always be on top at least for the near future. I was just glad they didn't take a gold medal sweep at the olympics:winkgrin:

[egontoast]

:lol: They are still at the top of the heap, the heap just got a little wider, that's all.


Yow. It's like 6 feet of imaginary pony manure! :cool:

[WBLover]

THANK YOU for posting the article, Theo. Hopefully this thread will get back on track with the original subject of the original post and not bashing about translating, etc.

[freestyle2music]

THANK YOU for posting the article, Theo. Hopefully this thread will get back on track with the original subject of the original post and not bashing about translating, etc.


I wish you were right, but don't worry I don't let the good suffer from the bad on this forum.

[ridgeback]

I wish you were right, but don't worry I don't let the good suffer from the bad on this forum.

Amen to that Theo;)

[SGray]

re Wels case -- a friend translated for me - said the case would reconvene in ~ a month

[Trevelyan96]

Theo, I don't read or speak German, but I consider that my problem, certainly not yours. Don't let the small and petty keep you from contributing.

[egontoast]

when does this court case resume? it's probably in this thread somewhere.