Maclay Horse Show Family

[chunky munky]

So Jessie wins a well deserved class. It was so cute to see that her whole family was there. Not just The Boss, and Patty, but her two older brothers looking proud as punch. Photo of trophy winning horse show family....Priceless. Then Dad is off on a plane to campaign for his candidate. Sorry, but this is really a guy that walks the talk. Special stuff.

[DuffyAgain]

from a friend - from the Syracuse website:

Bruce Springsteen commented on his daughter’s discipline and how much he has learned from this sport over the years.

“After you have been to so many shows year after year, you realize how difficult it is and what an achievement it is. You also realize how good the others riders are and how much work has gone into it,” said Springsteen. “You see a culmination of thirteen years of riding come down to one minute and thirty seconds. That is a tough lesson in life. Musicians always get to sing it again; riders get one shot.”

[Comfortably Numb]

I just can't get over the fact that the guy who was famous for sharing the angst and emotions of the working class is hanging out at the highest level of the show world. The girl rode great though, and deserves the win!

[MHM]

I saw that quote from Bruce earlier today and loved it- he gets it!

I called a friend and read it to her, and she wants me to mail it to her so all the dads at her barn can see it.

I saw the whole class in person, and she was very clearly the winner. There were many kids who rode very well, but it was her day to shine, for sure.

I was also within a few feet of Bruce several times in the course of the day. He just acted like a regular horse show dad, there to support his kid.

Congrats to the whole group!! :cool:

[hideyourheart03]

I adore that quote from the Syracuse press release. Not that he wouldn't, but he really gets how hard Jessie's working and how tough the pressure is.

Congrats to all the Springsteen's on Jessie's GREAT indoor season - culminating with an amazing NHS - Maclay Champ and Grand Junior Hunter Champ!

[chunky munky]

I just can't get over the fact that the guy who was famous for sharing the angst and emotions of the working class is hanging out at the highest level of the show world. The girl rode great though, and deserves the win!

But remember he is there tonight for Barack. He didn't plan his life to be rich. It just happened. He is a musician and a man that tries to live what our country needs to survive.

[MLP]

I don't think for a second Bruce doesn't remember where he came from. I think the nicest part was how grounded the family looked. They were really, really thrilled for her and they were there to support her. I am sure his schedule is busy and to be there for such an important day, that speaks volumes. At least to me. She had a great indoor season, she was also grand Junior hunter at WIHS, that Tiziano is a very cute horse too. She is only 15 (or younger since she rides in the 15 / U) and as he stated has shown ALOT of maturity. She rode beautifully and was one of the first to go, so it was a LONG day for her. Today she did the jumper class and rode well too, she is obviously dedicated to the sport and to her animals and that is admirable, no matter who your dad is or what his political views are. She could very easily be a bratty kid and although I don't know her, it seems like most people comment on what a nice kid she is, that says so much about her upbringing and it just makes me like Bruce all the more. I can't wait to see her continue with her success.

[CraziiPonii]

"Musicians always get to sing it again; riders get one shot.”

That's a great quote. Congrats to Jessica, she deserves it!

[PlatosGurl]

But remember he is there tonight for Barack. He didn't plan his life to be rich. It just happened. He is a musician and a man that tries to live what our country needs to survivel.

Seriously?

[MHM]

This is an article about the Maclay, with a couple of pictures of the family at the awards presentation. :)

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2008/11/bruce_springsteen_plays_the_ro.html

And this is the one that contains the great quote from Bruce.

http://www.syracuseinvitational.com/theevent/tabid/584/mid/1149/newsid1148/23/Default.aspx

[Madeline]

What I liked best was how clearly and definitely she put up the winning ride(s). No question that she won the test by landing on and maintaining the counter canter. No room for politics, favoritism and all that accompany those issues. She won it cleanly and decisively. Congratulations to her. And her family.

[findeight]

Happened to speak with 2 "Big R" judges and several other horse show veterans Sat during that class-they had watched her first round on the net and predicted she was going to take it if she kept riding like that.

Horse shows are a great equalizer. Could care less what Mom and Dad do for a living, all about the rider and the trip.

[LetsChat]

Happened to speak with 2 "Big R" judges and several other horse show veterans Sat during that class-they had watched her first round on the net and predicted she was going to take it if she kept riding like that.

Horse shows are a great equalizer. Could care less what Mom and Dad do for a living, all about the rider and the trip.

Not to mention there are a LOT of top young riders with well known parents. Hillary Dobbs, Georgina Bloomberg, Paige Johnson. I know Bruce in is an ICON in the music business but there are still some other "famous" kids out there too and from what I saw this weekend, they all can hold their own on horseback. Jessica rode wonderfully, absolutely deserved to win, possibly SHOULD have won both the Medal and McClay but that is for a different discussion. She looked thrilled and kept her cool, it was great to see her land on the lead, she didn't throw her body she just used her aids, and the family was beaming, doesn't matter how famous your family is, you still have to show up and ride and find the jumps and she did just that. It was a well deserved win! :yes::yes::yes:

[Nadonyalife]

I've happened to sit close--one or two seats away--to BS at several horse shows this year, and I have to say I couldn't be more impressed. VERY down-to-earth; acts like any other horse show Dad.

He sat two seats away from me for most of WIHS. Said a few words of greeting to everyone around, sat down w/USA Today & the Wall Street Journal, read the paper until someone would come up and ask for an autograph (happened about once an hour). Would ask a few questions, sign graciously, then go back to reading until one of the other horse show parents said, "Hey, Bruce, Jessie's about to go." Would look up, watch, clap, read again--just like all the other Dads.

After one of her classes, Jessie came up to the stands and sat by him with a few pals. The girls were all watching the big jumpers intently, while Dad fidgeted & read. When he finally said c'mon Jessie, been here all day, let's go, his daughter (who is a really cute & sweet girl) looked up at him with that slight air of teenage exasperation and said, "DaaaAAAD!! C'mon, we're bonding!"

[MHM]

Nadonyalife-

That's great. I wouldn't have pictured Bruce with the Wall Street Journal. :lol:

[equest]

Is there a video of her ride online anywhere?

[Anyplace Farm]

WIHS was the first time I'd ever seen Jessica 'up close' (translation - on the jumbotron). What a lovely, composed young lady she is. A friend of mine watched her rides and called me with the results. Sounds like a well-deserved win!

Kudos to her!

[J. Turner]

Happened to speak with 2 "Big R" judges and several other horse show veterans Sat during that class-they had watched her first round on the net and predicted she was going to take it if she kept riding like that.

Horse shows are a great equalizer. Could care less what Mom and Dad do for a living, all about the rider and the trip.

True. She has gone for it before and it didn't work out. We all make mistakes. I think that is a great quote from her father. I didn't know she had brothers. They (including Jessie) look the same age! Are they triplets? Just kidding, I know they're not but they do look pretty close in age. Did Patty Scialfa take some time off from the stage when she had them? Maybe it was during those solo albums ... Tunnel of Love, etc. ... no pun intended.

Also, does anyone have a picture or a video of the second course? I've tried to put it together from the different pictures I've seen, but can't. I watched most of the first round, but went to the barn in the afternoon.

[ADD526]

I've happened to sit close--one or two seats away--to BS at several horse shows this year, and I have to say I couldn't be more impressed. VERY down-to-earth; acts like any other horse show Dad.

He sat two seats away from me for most of WIHS. Said a few words of greeting to everyone around, sat down w/USA Today & the Wall Street Journal, read the paper until someone would come up and ask for an autograph (happened about once an hour). Would ask a few questions, sign graciously, then go back to reading until one of the other horse show parents said, "Hey, Bruce, Jessie's about to go." Would look up, watch, clap, read again--just like all the other Dads.

After one of her classes, Jessie came up to the stands and sat by him with a few pals. The girls were all watching the big jumpers intently, while Dad fidgeted & read. When he finally said c'mon Jessie, been here all day, let's go, his daughter (who is a really cute & sweet girl) looked up at him with that slight air of teenage exasperation and said, "DaaaAAAD!! C'mon, we're bonding!"
thats awesome i love it!!!! i love how she replied to him wanting to leave hahaha

[Cathbad]

But, I'm sorry Bruce and his two sons could not have shown more respect for the Championship by dressing a little more neatly for the presentation. I was embarrassed by the rumpled jeans and the AIG (ha! AIG!!) T-shirt. I could see wearing blue jeans while the class was underway (because they are mean, long days, those eq. championships), but the sloppiness and hat wearing in the ring...

[hideyourheart03]

True. She has gone for it before and it didn't work out. We all make mistakes.

That is one of the things that I love about Jessie. She has ALWAYS gone for it at the hand gallop, even after it hasn't worked out for her. That, IMO, is guts... going for it, even when it hasn't worked out for you recently. You hardly ever see a good hand gallop anymore. Good for her!

[MHM]

But, I'm sorry Bruce and his two sons could not have shown more respect for the Championship by dressing a little more neatly for the presentation. I was embarrassed by the rumpled jeans and the AIG (ha! AIG!!) T-shirt. I could see wearing blue jeans while the class was underway (because they are mean, long days, those eq. championships), but the sloppiness and hat wearing in the ring...

Frankly, Bruce looked better in the ring than he did all day. He had been wearing a plaid lumberjack-type shirt, which he took off for the presentation. I've never seen him dress any differently at any horse show. I don't know if he just doesn't feel the need to prove anything, or if it's to keep a low profile.

Either way, I don't think it's anyone else's business how he dresses. His daughter is the one being judged at the show, not him. Ditto for the rest of the family. I just thought it was nice the brothers were there, looking so happy for Jessica. :)

[Ravencrest_Camp]

Happened to speak with 2 "Big R" judges and several other horse show veterans Sat during that class-they had watched her first round on the net and predicted she was going to take it if she kept riding like that.

Horse shows are a great equalizer. Could care less what Mom and Dad do for a living, all about the rider and the trip.


Well except for the fact that what mom and dad do for a living directly impacts the funds they have to spend on horses and horse showing. :yes:

[MHM]

Well except for the fact that what mom and dad do for a living directly impacts the funds they have to spend on horses and horse showing. :yes:

The family's resources can get you to the ingate, but once you walk in the ring, you still have to be able to get it done in the saddle on your own. Nobody else can do it for you in the ring.

[elizabeth1]

I do think Jessica had an advantage as she had a few more trips in that ring and was familiar with it.

Having said that, she had earned every one of those trips on numerous horses.

It was her day, she earned it and deserved it. She is very, very good at what she does and no one else is doing it for her.

[LizzyM]

That is one of the things that I love about Jessie. She has ALWAYS gone for it at the hand gallop, even after it hasn't worked out for her. That, IMO, is guts... going for it, even when it hasn't worked out for you recently. You hardly ever see a good hand gallop anymore. Good for her!

That is why I love her as well! She sure keeps things interesting and seems to have a real "no guts, no glory" attitude. She didn't HAVE to try and land that lead. But she did it anyway. She didn't HAVE to gallop like she did to that last oxer. But she did it anyway. It is wonderful to see that kind of bravery in someone so young. Bravo Jessie!

[juststartingout]

That is why I love her as well! She sure keeps things interesting and seems to have a real "no guts, no glory" attitude. She didn't HAVE to try and land that lead. But she did it anyway. She didn't HAVE to gallop like she did to that last oxer. But she did it anyway. It is wonderful to see that kind of bravery in someone so young. Bravo Jessie!

Absolutely! Never seen her do it any other way. Congrats to her - she rode to win and she did!

[Biscotti]

But, I'm sorry Bruce and his two sons could not have shown more respect for the Championship by dressing a little more neatly for the presentation. I was embarrassed by the rumpled jeans and the AIG (ha! AIG!!) T-shirt. I could see wearing blue jeans while the class was underway (because they are mean, long days, those eq. championships), but the sloppiness and hat wearing in the ring...

Not an AIG shirt. Manchester United shirt. Easy mistake to make but you should watch out! You are lucky I am for Madrid ;)

Maybe they didn't have time to change: they could have easily been with Jessica the whole time. And some people don't understand the standards for a championship presentation, and there really aren't standards. People just usually choose to dress nicely. I think the main thing to focus on is the fact that Jessica is an exemplary junior rider, regardless of what her family is wearing -- and good for them, being happy, together, and supporting her! My family couldn't get along at a horse show together in footie pajamas.

The family's resources can get you to the ingate, but once you walk in the ring, you still have to be able to get it done in the saddle on your own. Nobody else can do it for you in the ring.

True, and there are riders wealthier than Jessica that are not winning or succeeding like Jessica.

[springer]

Starstruck anyone? There are many gifted and talented young riders out there that haven't had the advantages that this one has. All this celebrity a#% kissing is making me sick. Where's that gag icon when you need it????

[LizzyM]

Starstruck anyone? There are many gifted and talented young riders out there that haven't had the advantages that this one has. All this celebrity a#% kissing is making me sick. Where's that gag icon when you need it????

No a$% kissing here. I just love her style of riding. I couldn't care less who her parents are. There will always be the riders that don't have all the money to back them. Thats just reality but it in no way takes away from the rider that Jessica is. There were alot of people on here singing praise for Kels when she won the medal. Bear in mind she was also on a six figure horse. I love Jessie's style and thats the only place I am coming from.

[Tha Ridge]

But, I'm sorry Bruce and his two sons could not have shown more respect for the Championship by dressing a little more neatly for the presentation. I was embarrassed by the rumpled jeans and the AIG (ha! AIG!!) T-shirt. I could see wearing blue jeans while the class was underway (because they are mean, long days, those eq. championships), but the sloppiness and hat wearing in the ring...

Um, they're teenage boys at a horse show... What do you expect, a suit and tie? Also, it wasn't an AIG t-shirt; it was Manchester United soccer jersey.

Geez, some people can find fault with anything. :no:

[dcm]

Um, they're teenage boys at a horse show... What do you expect, a suit and tie? Also, it wasn't an AIG t-shirt; it was Manchester United soccer jersey.

Geez, some people can find fault with anything. :no:

Ditto! Those two boys were probably scoping out all the girls at the same time the girls were scoping them out. :yes:

Besides, who has time to change clothes after spending all day at the horse show, 150 rounds, several flat sections, round 2, and a ride off? If I remember correctly, you're helping your kid and you don't want to miss any of it.

Hurry up and wait! :winkgrin:

[LetsChat]

Not to mention superstition, you know the day you dress nice she is going off course, what are you going to dress for the presentation, then you are surely not making it to the center of the ring. Give them a break, they were up since 5 in cold Syracuse. Please, the girl rode well and the family was supportive, that's it. Stop trying to bring them down or take away her "glory days" - ok couldn't resist that one :lol:

[Biscotti]

There are many gifted and talented young riders out there that haven't had the advantages that this one has.

The Springsteens are far and away from the wealthiest family on the show circuit.

[springer]

I'm sure she is a good rider. But pardon me, a six figure hunter could make a monkey look good. To say nothing of the elite trainers this girl has had access to all her life. Let's give some credit to the riders at her level who have worked their way to the top. Anyone?

[Biscotti]

I'm sure she is a good rider. But pardon me, a six figure hunter could make a monkey look good. To say nothing of the elite trainers this girl has had access to all her life. Let's give some credit to the riders at her level who have worked their way to the top. Anyone?

Um, probably not in this thread. Why don't you make a spin-off to talk about that? I actually think it would be a great discussion. Meanwhile, this is a happy thread to congrats Jess and her family on a win, and being a family at a horse show is, like I said, easier said than done. Some threads you just can't look away from and keep from inserting your opinion: trust me, I know, but I feel like this one really falls into the "if you don't like it, don't look at it" category.

And I don't think you have been around a lot of six figure hunters. The majority of them are not push-button rides. I have seen lots of girls look very, very bad on very, very fancy horses.

[BlueBobRadar]

I got up at 5:50 am thinking the class started at six! It was worth it, even though I only saw her first round- it was beautiful! Congratulations to her and everyone who competed! (Yay! My first post!)

[elizabeth1]

The Maclay in my jammies with coffee at 6:30 am was priceless!

[Sundown]

Are we really going to destroy a congratulations thread? :no: I agree with Biscotti, good conversation for a different thread.

Congrats to Jess, she rode beautifully and is a really nice person.

[CGolden]

I never realized a "6 figure hunter could make a monkey look good". We must have the wrong monkey's. It doesn't matter how much money is spent on a horse... you have to atleast have some talent to do well. We have all seen top horses sold for ridiculous amounts of money, go on to do nothing with an untalented rider. Yes, Jessie has very nice horses and a top trainer, but she is also very talented, dedicated and hard working. Without one of those ingredients, you would not end up with the same out come. Congratulations to Jessie. I can't wait to see what she accomplishes in her last 2 junior years.

[LetsChat]

Of course she deserves to win and most of those nice eq horses are high priced. How about that McClain Ward fell off in one of the jumper classes, high priced horse, gold medal olympic rider and what, he missed, missed judged a distance and fell off. Please, no matter what the horses price or capability mistakes happen and you know what, they didn't happen for Jess that day and she won and deserved it and her family was there and beeming. Stop being a poor sport - literally.

[Trixie]

I'm sure she is a good rider. But pardon me, a six figure hunter could make a monkey look good. To say nothing of the elite trainers this girl has had access to all her life. Let's give some credit to the riders at her level who have worked their way to the top. Anyone?

Would it kill you to congratulate the young rider who obviously rode very well in a difficult class, WITHOUT belittling her accomplishments?

Surely you can start another thread if you wish to debate the merits of who has what. :dead:

Sounds like she had a lovely ride and nailed some things that aren't easy on any horse, under tremendous pressure. She's also very lucky to have a supportive family who took the time to be there for her.

[Tha Ridge]

I'm sure she is a good rider. But pardon me, a six figure hunter could make a monkey look good. To say nothing of the elite trainers this girl has had access to all her life. Let's give some credit to the riders at her level who have worked their way to the top. Anyone?

Um... how do you explain Chelsea Moss and Logan? Well into the six figures, winner of every major equitation final, yet do you often see Chelsea on top with him? Nope. They're not all easy rides.

[hedmbl]

Um... how do you explain Chelsea Moss and Logan? Well into the six figures, winner of every major equitation final, yet do you often see Chelsea on top with him? Nope. They're not all easy rides.

Exactly.

My experience in trying horses is actually quite the opposite of that persons opinion...the higher the price the trickier/harder the ride. Most of the 6 figure horses I've had the pleasure of riding have been hard. Really nice horses more often then not are used to Pro/really great ammy rides...they don't know how to cover up a mistake b/c they've never seen a bad distance. It takes talent no matter what you're sitting on. I hate it when people say stuff like that.

[J. Turner]

That is why I love her as well! She sure keeps things interesting and seems to have a real "no guts, no glory" attitude. She didn't HAVE to try and land that lead. But she did it anyway. She didn't HAVE to gallop like she did to that last oxer. But she did it anyway. It is wonderful to see that kind of bravery in someone so young. Bravo Jessie!

It's even braver considering it didn't work out last year in the Medal ... when she crashed through that oxer at a hand gallop. It's hard to come back and do it again knowing what's on the line, knowing you failed last time. Good for her. I haven't seen her ride any trips in the hunters or jumpers, but I hope to.

Obviously she is well supported, but it'll be interesting as she matures to see what kind of horseperson she becomes, and if she chooses to keep riding and moving up into the Grands Prix as an adult.

[J. Turner]

Ditto! Those two boys were probably scoping out all the girls at the same time the girls were scoping them out. :yes:

Besides, who has time to change clothes after spending all day at the horse show, 150 rounds, several flat sections, round 2, and a ride off? If I remember correctly, you're helping your kid and you don't want to miss any of it.

Hurry up and wait! :winkgrin:


I never undertood why teenage boys haven't figured out the girl to boy ratio at shows ...

[dcm]

I never undertood why teenage boys haven't figured out the girl to boy ratio at shows ...

My ex used to say the smartest boy at our daughter's school was the one boy who joined the equestrian team. :winkgrin:

[J. Turner]

The Springsteens are far and away from the wealthiest family on the show circuit.

Just because we know where their money comes from doesn't mean they're the wealthiest. There is some very old, quiet money out there. And just because another child's father isn't an American icon, doesn't mean the family doesn't have more money. I think we need to leave this girl's money out of it. The truth of the matter is that most of the kids are extremely wealthy or trainer's kids. She doesn't have any advantages that most of the kids on the starting order don't have - a six-figure eq horse and a junior hunter or two. Hell, most of the kids have 2 smalls and 2 larges. Maybe her advantage is that she has an emotionally supportive, grounded family, which will carry her far in life. But let's leave this as a discussion of her riding.

[springer]

Would it kill you to congratulate the young rider who obviously rode very well in a difficult class, WITHOUT belittling her accomplishments?

Surely you can start another thread if you wish to debate the merits of who has what. :dead:

Sounds like she had a lovely ride and nailed some things that aren't easy on any horse, under tremendous pressure. She's also very lucky to have a supportive family who took the time to be there for her.


And just think how her self esteem would suffer without the congratulations from this COTH board!!!!!! I'm sure she is not only a talented rider, but a wonderful person and an outstanding citizen in every way possible.
Lighten up please, Springsteen groupies

[Tha Ridge]

Just because we know where their money comes from doesn't mean they're the wealthiest. There is some very old, quiet money out there. And just because another child's father isn't an American icon, doesn't mean the family doesn't have more money. I think we need to leave this girl's money out of it. The truth of the matter is that most of the kids are extremely wealthy or trainer's kids. She doesn't have any advantages that most of the kids on the starting order don't have - a six-figure eq horse and a junior hunter or two. Hell, most of the kids have 2 smalls and 2 larges. Maybe her advantage is that she has an emotionally supportive, grounded family, which will carry her far in life. But let's leave this as a discussion of her riding.

J. Turner, I think you misunderstood what Biscotti was saying. Biscotti was saying that the Springsteen's are FAR from the wealthiest family on the show circuit, not that they are.

[J. Turner]

J. Turner, I think you misunderstood what Biscotti was saying. Biscotti was saying that the Springsteen's are FAR from the wealthiest family on the show circuit, not that they are.

Oooops, my bad. Did not read for comprehension!

[Madeline]

All the money in the world doesn't get your horse to land on the counter lead...

[Tha Ridge]

All the money in the world doesn't get your horse to land on the counter lead...

We don't always agree, Madeline, but to that I say: :yes::yes::yes:

Confident and aggressive riding cannot be bought.

[Cathbad]

It's a Manchester T-shirt? :lol: I see an enormous AIG logo, with a Nike logo, too. I see a tiny Manchester logo. Unless AIG stands for the Manchester team??

Yes, S'steen does know about horseshows -- he said so himself in a quote about how many horse shows he's been to -- so he didn't quite climb out of a hole and blink in the sunlight, wondering where he was. There is such a thing as showing respect for something, such as the tradition of the championship and its meaning. And that's what I'm mentioning here, and not be so interested in just yourself. No one said he had to wear a tie, but he should know not to wear a baseball hat. They all could have neatly dressed at least for the presentation.

[J. Turner]

We don't always agree, Madeline, but to that I say: :yes::yes::yes:

Confident and aggressive riding cannot be bought.

Let's say "assertive." I think it has a better connotation. As the Dog Whisperer says, "calm and assertive energy."

[Nadonyalife]

Starstruck anyone? There are many gifted and talented young riders out there that haven't had the advantages that this one has. All this celebrity a#% kissing is making me sick. Where's that gag icon when you need it????

Boy do you have the motivations wrong (some, anyway). For the record, there is NOTHING that I dislike more than the US obsession with celebrity....and, personally, I don't think Springsteen pere has done anything particularly worthwhile since about 1975. (Although I confess to having worn out The Wild, The Innocent & the E Street Shuffle in CD, tape, vinyl AND 8-track.)

Having been around more than one celebrity family, however--including some others mentioned in this thread--I can tell you they don't all function the way this one **SEEMS** to. It's like the Brad Paisley song says: "When you're a celebrity, it's adios reality...."

And I have to say, I REALLY like the fact that the Maclay ceremony regognizes/has a special award for the family of the winning rider. It's the only major equitation final which recognizes that, as they say during the presentation, "it takes a family."

It does indeed.

[Nadonyalife]

And, BTW, while I agree with Findeight most of the time, I thought the comment about horse shows being a great "equalizer" so naive it took my breath away.

Yes, even when all the fates/factors are going your way, you still have to put in the round.
But I could name you at least three kids who had rounds as good as Jessie's first and second rounds but didn't make it into the top four. Other things DO factor in--including performance at previous finals. It's just naive to say they don't.

The bottom line is that it takes not only a family and dedication, but mileage, money, training, the right horse, the right trainer(s), AND a history/resume to accomplish what Jessie has. And that's NOT taking anything away from the kid. In fact, I suspect she'd be the first to tell you that.

[hedmbl]

Boy do you have the motivations wrong (some, anyway). For the record, there is NOTHING that I dislike more than the US obsession with celebrity....and, personally, I don't think Springsteen pere has done anything particularly worthwhile since about 1975. (Although I confess to having worn out The Wild, The Innocent & the E Street Shuffle in CD, tape, vinyl AND 8-track.)

Having been around more than one celebrity family, however--including some others mentioned in this thread--I can tell you they don't all function the way this one **SEEMS** to. It's like the Brad Paisley song says: "When you're a celebrity, it's adios reality...."

And I have to say, I REALLY like the fact that the Maclay ceremony regognizes/has a special award for the family of the winning rider. It's the only major equitation final which recognizes that, as they say during the presentation, "it takes a family."

It does indeed.


Agreed. I'm anything but starstruck. I'm 20 and have never even listend to a springsteen CD. I'm sure I've heard his songs on the radio at some point but I cannot tell you the name of single one or, if I heard one, attribute it to him.
I CAN, however, appreciate his daughters riding talent.

[Cruzer]

Kudos to Jessica for winning the class. I remember when she was riding in the Pre-Childrens at the Horse Park on her nondescript but lovely chestnut large pony. Mom, Dad, and brothers were there, in the cold, to cheer her on. I would have given my teeth for a 17 hand copy of her pony....as nice as that pony was training wise, you still had to RIDE. She worked hard to move up the levels....and it has been nice watching her (and the other Jersey girls) enhance their skills.

And, on one of those days, someone commented on the rail that Bruce was across the arena. The two teens standing next to me, from my barn, politely said "Who's Bruce Springsteen?" They had no clue. I felt my age at that point....

[Bascule99]

I have to agree with Bruce's "look" for the presentation. I think just knowing you are at the "National Horseshow" and that your daughter is fairly likely to be in the top 10, (especially by 2pm), you'd be able to round up a pair of untorn pants and a real shirt. I was shocked when I saw him walk out there in that outfit. The grooms presented themselves better than he did. I do not know the man or his personal dress code but I know the National Horseshow is not a rock band practice session.

I can say this: if I won the Maclay, (heck if I even qualified to compete that day) my dad would have been there with a coat and slacks (minimum) and more likely a tie just out of respect for
a) the National Horseshow
b) the heritage of the Maclay and
c) most of all out of respect for me, my trainers and family.

Jessica was fantastic. The counter lead hold was above and beyond, in no way "a given" and showcased her skills incredibly. WOW.

[lohsela]

Video people!! Can we see a video of this ride anywhere? I'm dying to see the counter lead and gallop!

[chunky munky]

Phelps Sports

[lohsela]

Phelps Sports

I tried that... need an account?:confused:

[chunky munky]

Yup.

[tja789]

And, BTW, while I agree with Findeight most of the time, I thought the comment about horse shows being a great "equalizer" so naive it took my breath away.

Yes, even when all the fates/factors are going your way, you still have to put in the round.
But I could name you at least three kids who had rounds as good as Jessie's first and second rounds but didn't make it into the top four. Other things DO factor in--including performance at previous finals. It's just naive to say they don't.

The bottom line is that it takes not only a family and dedication, but mileage, money, training, the right horse, the right trainer(s), AND a history/resume to accomplish what Jessie has. And that's NOT taking anything away from the kid. In fact, I suspect she'd be the first to tell you that.


I agree with Nadonyalife. The Springsteens are very wealthy indeed and have spent a fortune buying Jessie everything she needs to be competitive, and this has contributed greatly to her success. She is also an excellent, dedicated rider and this has also contributed greatly to her success. Why is it considered awful to mention both of these contributing factors? To comment on the Maclay winner thread, it shouldn't be necessary to pretend that talent and talent alone wins this show.

[bascher]

Money can't buy the ability and willingness to ride aggressively and take risks no matter what the outcome. She decided to go for it rather than playing it safe; money can't cause you to make that decision. Someone else could have been riding the same horse and decided not to go for the options Jessie did, therefore they might not have won. And have any of you ever ridden Jessie's horse? Or are you all assuming this horse is easy just because it's worth a lot? If you haven't ridden it, you can't know how easy her horse is. There have been many examples of horses mentioned on this thread that are worth a lot but ARE NOT push-button.

I remember Jessie when she first started riding and was doing the children's ponies at the local NJ shows. She learned to ride on some tough horses; she didn't just start out with the expensive ones. Just like many of us, she started out with the hard ones and I give her family credit for not buying her the amazing horses just because they could. They bought her the amazing horses because she proved that she earned it. I think she is a wonderful rider and this is a well-deserved win for such a nice and down to earth person.

[Spotted Pony]

Heck - I give the guy credit for just being there:winkgrin:. I have to threaten my husband with bodily harm to have him show up for ANY horse show let alone one that entails an out of town trip. While my DD may not be in contention for a ribbon she has qualified for the finals and yes, it is a big deal to her (and me) but he can not stand the hurry up and wait of the shows or the subjective nature of the judging. He is involved in the equine industry so understands what it takes to get there . DD understands and really - she doesn't need the pressure. So kudos to anyone's dad and brothers that will make the effort to support sis.

And congrats to a nice girl that I've watched grow from a pony kid to a very accomplished rider.

[Ben and Me]

Is the Chronicle going to have a more in-depth article about the round? I'd love to see a diagram of the course. I'd also love to know who Jessica was riding.

[chunky munky]

Papillion 136, same horse she has used for the last few years. He is 10 years old.

[Horseshowaddict]

Ive seen a lot of 6 figure horses chuck some people in the dirt too......Monkeys might be able to stay on those athletic ones a little better even...

At this level of showing, you'd better ride well.

[ADD526]

Heck - I give the guy credit for just being there:winkgrin:. I have to threaten my husband with bodily harm to have him show up for ANY horse show let alone one that entails an out of town trip. While my DD may not be in contention for a ribbon she has qualified for the finals and yes, it is a big deal to her (and me) but he can not stand the hurry up and wait of the shows or the subjective nature of the judging. He is involved in the equine industry so understands what it takes to get there . DD understands and really - she doesn't need the pressure. So kudos to anyone's dad and brothers that will make the effort to support sis.

And congrats to a nice girl that I've watched grow from a pony kid to a very accomplished rider.
agreed!!!! my brother only comes to shows for the food and hasnt been in years and my dad comes probably once a year...sometimes i dont like when he comes becuase i feel more pressure to do well beucase its kind of like he made a "special trip"....so kudos for them for even being there and being supportive...and i think they all looked just fine!!! and i agree that you need the money to get to a spot like that but you also need to be talented and smart and confident!!!!

[J. Turner]

Ive seen a lot of 6 figure horses chuck some people in the dirt too......Monkeys might be able to stay on those athletic ones a little better even...

At this level of showing, you'd better ride well.


As I mentioned above, she nearly ended up in the dirt last year at Medal Finals. She took a risk on a hand gallop, committed to it, and go there on the half stride. Sort of like Mclain at the last jump in the Olympics. Happens to the best of us, apparently!

I wish I could see the video too. I guess I just need the money to join phelpssports.

[Ravencrest_Camp]

I have to agree with Bruce's "look" for the presentation. I think just knowing you are at the "National Horseshow" and that your daughter is fairly likely to be in the top 10, (especially by 2pm), you'd be able to round up a pair of untorn pants and a real shirt.


What, and ruin the everyman schtick? :confused:

[chunky munky]

Well Raven, be glad he was there at all. His daughter participating brings our sport into whatever limelight we can get. I think he looked just fine, and not much different than I remember Paul Newman dressing when his daughter was also predicted to be a possible winner. He would like to blend in to the backround. It was his daughters day, not his.

[MHM]

I think he looked just fine, and not much different than I remember Paul Newman dressing when his daughter was also predicted to be a possible winner. He would like to blend in to the backround. It was his daughters day, not his.

CM, it's so funny you should say that.

I was talking about this today with somebody who knew and showed against Clea, and she said the same thing. You could hardly recognize Clea's dad, because he made such a determined effort to stay out of the limelight. Bless him. :sadsmile:

[Nadonyalife]

Money can't buy the ability and willingness to ride aggressively and take risks no matter what the outcome....And have any of you ever ridden Jessie's horse? Or are you all assuming this horse is easy just because it's worth a lot?

To who[m] "all" are you refering? I have seen exactly ONE post suggesting that a six-figure horse "could make a monkey look good." I kinda think that person was a troll, and in any event, the suggestion has been roundly refuted. Nobody but you has said anything about "easy" (or not). So, with all due respect, this seems more like your issue than anyone else's.

Also--and this is a general comment, not directed at JS or anyone else in particular--I'm going to have to take some issue with a sentiment that does seem widespread here, the notion that money can't buy the "willingness to ride aggressively and take risks." To a some degree, yes, willingness to take risks is a function of individual personality. But it is also a function of prior experience(s) and what you've sat on along the way. If you've sat on alot of broncs/chickens/retreads/things you can't trust to jump, most people--even "immortal" teenagers--are naturally going to be more cautious, or at least struggle with that impulse. Those who don't end up winning Darwin awards at least as often as Maclays.

[bascher]

To who[m] "all" are you refering? I have seen exactly ONE post suggesting that a six-figure horse "could make a monkey look good." I kinda think that person was a troll, and in any event, the suggestion has been roundly refuted. Nobody but you has said anything about "easy" (or not). So, with all due respect, this seems more like your issue than anyone else's.

Also--and this is a general comment, not directed at JS or anyone else in particular--I'm going to have to take some issue with a sentiment that does seem widespread here, the notion that money can't buy the "willingness to ride aggressively and take risks." To a some degree, yes, willingness to take risks is a function of individual personality. But it is also a function of prior experience(s) and what you've sat on along the way. If you've sat on alot of broncs/chickens/retreads/things you can't trust to jump, most people--even "immortal" teenagers--are naturally going to be more cautious, or at least struggle with that impulse. Those who don't end up winning Darwin awards at least as often as Maclays.

No, it's not my issue at all. I am referring to numerous opinions that I have heard elsewhere stating that money is what will buy you the win because of the horse that you are sitting on. I'm sorry that I put "all," I should have corrected myself. It's not the people on this topic that I was referring to; it was the people that I've heard in the past. I realized after rereading the topic more thorougly that most everyone on here did refute that claim, so I am sorry for insinuating that any of you did not. I must read for better comprehension next time :)

[LizzyM]

To who[m] "all" are you refering? I have seen exactly ONE post suggesting that a six-figure horse "could make a monkey look good." I kinda think that person was a troll, and in any event, the suggestion has been roundly refuted. Nobody but you has said anything about "easy" (or not). So, with all due respect, this seems more like your issue than anyone else's.

Also--and this is a general comment, not directed at JS or anyone else in particular--I'm going to have to take some issue with a sentiment that does seem widespread here, the notion that money can't buy the "willingness to ride aggressively and take risks." To a some degree, yes, willingness to take risks is a function of individual personality. But it is also a function of prior experience(s) and what you've sat on along the way. If you've sat on alot of broncs/chickens/retreads/things you can't trust to jump, most people--even "immortal" teenagers--are naturally going to be more cautious, or at least struggle with that impulse. Those who don't end up winning Darwin awards at least as often as Maclays.

I see your point although I don't really think it applies in Jessica's case. As many on this thread have already brought up you have to remember her 2007 Medal Finals experience. She was the leader all day and she galloped the hand gallop jump HARD CORE. If you watch her approach at about 4 strides out she had two choices, slow down and fit the safe distance in and let it detract from her gallop, or take a huge risk and keep galloping and leave it out. She chose to leave it out and her horse DID NOT JUMP. She had a HUGE crash. In spite of that she came back this year and at both Medal and Maclay finals she galloped down to those oxers without a doubt in her mind. (Or at least not one that could be seen from this viewer.) Even though we all knew she had reason to doubt.

[chunky munky]

In regard to a 6 figure horse, Papillion 136 is only 10 years old. They have owned him at least a few years. Before Jessie was ready to ride him I believe that Sloan Coles showed him and helped make him up. He may be expensive now, but I'll bet he was one of their less expensive purchases over the years.

[Tha Ridge]

In regard to a 6 figure horse, Papillion 136 is only 10 years old. They have owned him at least a few years. Before Jessie was ready to ride him I believe that Sloan Coles showed him and helped make him up. He may be expensive now, but I'll bet he was one of their less expensive purchases over the years.

Less expensive, maybe, but I guarantee you he was at least a 6-figure purchase.

[Spotted Pony]

I see your point although I don't really think it applies in Jessica's case. As many on this thread have already brought up you have to remember her 2007 Medal Finals experience. She was the leader all day and she galloped the hand gallop jump HARD CORE. If you watch her approach at about 4 strides out she had two choices, slow down and fit the safe distance in and let it detract from her gallop, or take a huge risk and keep galloping and leave it out. She chose to leave it out and her horse DID NOT JUMP. She had a HUGE crash. In spite of that she came back this year and at both Medal and Maclay finals she galloped down to those oxers without a doubt in her mind. (Or at least not one that could be seen from this viewer.) Even though we all knew she had reason to doubt.

Actually more recently than that - she did the exact same thing at Capital Challenge and had a huge "cartwheel" dismount. I have to give her credit for going for it - though I do admit to holding my breath when she made the turn and picked up the hand gallop!

[Nadonyalife]

In spite of that she came back this year and at both Medal and Maclay finals she galloped down to those oxers without a doubt in her mind. (Or at least not one that could be seen from this viewer.) Even though we all knew she had reason to doubt.

Hey, believe me, I REALLY admire her ability to put doubts out of her mind and keep on taking risks. It is a real trick of mind-over-matter, and a testament to her gutsiness and mental discipline.

My point is a general one, not specific to JS or anyone else in particular. And it is: there IS at least some relationship between money and bravery/risk-taking.

I have observed over the years that riders who sit on better-quality stock in their formative years often (not always) mature into braver, more confident riders than some who sit on alot of crap--particularly dirty stoppers or those without the scope to get their riders out of bad situations--along the way.

Notice I didn't say "easy." Nor am I saying that's all a rider needs to sit on, or that it isn't useful to sit on some of lesser quality IN ADDITION TO the good ones. Just observing that there is a relationship.

[bascher]

Nadonyalife - I see what you are seeing, and you make some great points. I'm not refuting them, but I would like to add that after riding some dirty stoppers, I honestly felt that I became a better rider because of it. If you know the horse is going to go over the jump, you can make mistakes (with your body etc) and get away with it. However, if you have a horse that won't tolerate throwing the body for example without stopping, you will learn not to do it. After riding some of these types of horses, I found I was a better rider on the horses that would take you across no matter what. I guess what it come down to is that it's a combination of everything that goes into making a rider great. And obviously Jessie has that combination :)

[LetsChat]

I definitely think she has worked her way up the ranks. Not that she has had to ride horrible mounts but the first year she had Sublime in the juniors she wasn't that good. I remember seeing her ride at some big shows and she had OK trips, now she has clicked with him and consistently puts in nice rounds. Plus now she has the hunter, jumper and equitation horseS. I definitely think it's an evolution. I do agree riding tough horses makes you better and braver but I think there is a fine line between riding really NASTY ones and TOUGH ones. The former can ruin confidence the latter can build it.

[JET11]

Nadonyalife, I still want to know who the four riders are that had just as good a round as J. Springsteen, but didn't make it back.

[LJD]

I definitely think she has worked her way up the ranks. Not that she has had to ride horrible mounts but the first year she had Sublime in the juniors she wasn't that good. I remember seeing her ride at some big shows and she had OK trips, now she has clicked with him and consistently puts in nice rounds. Plus now she has the hunter, jumper and equitation horseS. I definitely think it's an evolution. I do agree riding tough horses makes you better and braver but I think there is a fine line between riding really NASTY ones and TOUGH ones. The former can ruin confidence the latter can build it.

I remember way way way back when she was showing on the local circuit in NJ. At one particular show I think her pony dumped her every course, not to mention the several times during schooling. ;) We kept wondering why her parents didn't get her a more reliable pony!

[bascher]

I remember way way way back when she was showing on the local circuit in NJ. At one particular show I think her pony dumped her every course, not to mention the several times during schooling. ;) We kept wondering why her parents didn't get her a more reliable pony!

Yup, I remember that too :) She definitely rode her share of the bratty ponies :)

[LetsChat]

I remember way way way back when she was showing on the local circuit in NJ. At one particular show I think her pony dumped her every course, not to mention the several times during schooling. ;) We kept wondering why her parents didn't get her a more reliable pony!

Well I think that also says something for her dedication, she could have just given up instead of getting back on and trying. I guess her folks got the memo though, I would say she has some reliable ponies now ;) I still think that yes, it is an expensive sport so money helps you get nicer rides, more exposure to better shows, different courses, more classes but you still have to show up at 5 am willing to ride until sunset and put in your dues and it seems she has definitely done that! :yes:

[drawreins]

I see your point although I don't really think it applies in Jessica's case. As many on this thread have already brought up you have to remember her 2007 Medal Finals experience. She was the leader all day and she galloped the hand gallop jump HARD CORE. If you watch her approach at about 4 strides out she had two choices, slow down and fit the safe distance in and let it detract from her gallop, or take a huge risk and keep galloping and leave it out. She chose to leave it out and her horse DID NOT JUMP. She had a HUGE crash. In spite of that she came back this year and at both Medal and Maclay finals she galloped down to those oxers without a doubt in her mind. (Or at least not one that could be seen from this viewer.) Even though we all knew she had reason to doubt.

Agreed. Good point, but not applicable to Jessica. She brought it all to the table last year and failed. She came back again this year to do the exact same thing and succeeded! She was bringing along a lot of baggage when she stepped into the ring because of what happened last year, however, without a doubt in her mind she came back to win what was hers!

On a different note, there are many different types of riders. You will always have those riders who will be cautious about everything. This doesn't mean though that they aren't bold riders. My daughter is very cautious in every aspect of life. Whether she is driving a car, jumping a jumper, or doing an equitation course, she always is cautious and careful. However, she is the exact kind of rider that thrives under pressure. When she is at finals or something likewise, she brings it all to the table. Yes, she is cautious, but she is also the one to come up from behind and seize the moment. Jessica has always been consistent. From Finals last year, to devon, to finals this year, she has always been the same rider. Sometimes she failed because of it, but, she has also won because of it! :yes:

And, even if some people think Bruce should have dressed up more, no one can say that he stole his daughter's day!

[Nadonyalife]

Nadonyalife, I still want to know who the four riders are that had just as good a round as J. Springsteen, but didn't make it back.

Didn't say four; said three. Two ended up getting ribbons, but did not make the top 4. I think both have more years, tho.

The third, who shouldn't have made the top 10 at Washington but got BIG OL' gifts in the jumper phase (cross-canter through half of a line, rail and arguable chip to last fence all overlooked), ended up getting ripped off at Syracuse, IMHO. So I guess it all evened out in the end.

If you want more, pm. This is Jessica's thread.

[Flash44]

And, even if some people think Bruce should have dressed up more, no one can say that he stole his daughter's day!


It's a JINX to dress as if you will have your picture taken! He obviously knows much more about equine competition than he lets on.

[MHM]

It's a JINX to dress as if you will have your picture taken! He obviously knows much more about equine competition than he lets on.

Let's go with that theory! :lol::lol::lol:

[Plumcreek]

It's a JINX to dress as if you will have your picture taken! He obviously knows much more about equine competition than he lets on.


Yep! I remember way back seeing Jimmy Williams all duded up at a Santa Barbara medal finals, then one of his students did not win it. All dressed up and nowhere to go.

[JET11]

Nadonyalife I would still like names. Nobody is saying you are wrong. Everyone has their own opinion.

[ellemayo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMnNXBsPIJM

Here's the link to video of the ride off for anyone who wants to see it!

[LuvMyTB]

ellemayo, thanks for posting the video link.

Damn--that was one hell of a good ride. She blew the others away. She was ballsy, took the risks, and RODE it the whole way. She deserved the win.

[lowroller]

I agree that based on this ride-off vid, her approach to the first counter canter fence alone put her way above the others.

I don't know why the others couldn't have either asked their horse to land on the counter lead over the fence (I am going to assume her landing lead was due to skill, not luck!), or done a change to counter lead immediately on the straightaway before the turn. The changes through walk were all very abrupt looking (is this the norm for change to counter lead in this type of class?)

Her horse was also looked to be the most pancake flat in his jump - I couldn't actually see her eq. that well due to quality of vid. but I am assuming that his belly scraping style is more friendly to showing off great position than others with more bascule. He is very cute looking.

[Texan By The Grace Of God]

I missed the workoff when it was live but after watching this video Christy Distefano's horse does not look like he is the easiest ride!

[_downpour_]

I want to see this legenday hand gallop!does anyone have a the youtube link??

[nycrider2004]

I don't know why the others couldn't have either asked their horse to land on the counter lead over the fence (I am going to assume her landing lead was due to skill, not luck!), or done a change to counter lead immediately on the straightaway before the turn. The changes through walk were all very abrupt looking (is this the norm for change to counter lead in this type of class?)

It is extremely hard to do a flying change to a counter lead in a really tight corner - and chances are it would end up looking just as awkward as the walk transistions did. It is the norm to a. try to land on the lead you want to keep and b. if that doesn't happen, come to the walk for the change.

I do agree that I was a bit underwhelmed by this particular element of the tests for folks at this level. All of the transistions were a bit rough and I was a surprised that more people didn't use that jump to help them set up for the change. My guess is that as a rider you'd get a little anxious about getting the transition done before your corner, which would come up very fast in an indoor, so you might be a little rougher than if you had more room?

[Tha Ridge]

I want to see this legenday hand gallop!does anyone have a the youtube link??

Look at ellemayo's post, about 3 posts above yours.

[MintHillFarm]

I agree, MHM, one still has to have the best performance. All the money in the world is not an insurance policy.