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johnnysauntie
Oct. 29, 2008, 02:43 PM
My horse is NQR and he has stumped me, my barn-mates, and my trainer. Over to the wise minds of COTH:

My 12 year old OTTB is an extremely friendly and mild mannered horse. So it got my attention when he pinned his ears and snapped at me when I tacked him up last week, on Wednesday. He reacted in particular to the girth.

I untacked him and thinking that he was starting to colic, checked him over. He was showing no outward signs of distress, but when I laid my ear gently against his barrel to listen for gut noises, he threatened (with purpose) to kick. The same thing happened when I laid my hand on his barrel – he pinned his ears and snapped. (He's not a kicker, and has never pinned his ears and snapped at me or anyone else in the year and a half I’ve known him.)

I hand-walked him for about 30 minutes then stuck him in a small indoor arena to observe his behavior. He ambled around looking for stray bits of hay, and then came back to the gate and hung out. Put him back in his freshly picked stall and he pooped. It looked fine, and there had been poo in the stall pre-picking.

He was still touchy on Thursday and Friday, but was otherwise feeling fine and in fact treated me to quite a display on the longe line on Friday. We rode Saturday, Sunday and Monday. All was fine. He was energetic and his usual pleasant self.

Last night, the sensitivity was back, and it evidenced in the form of pinned ears, hateful looks and snapping - before I even thought about girthing up – I had just put the saddle on his back.

Some facts that may be relevant:

He just finished a Panacur Powerpack (last week, Friday.)
Yes, the weather did change here, it became much cooler last week
He has never given any indication of ulcers
His ppetite remains very good.
My trainer was using a Wintec girth (equileather.) We’ve put a natural fleece on it for the last few rides.
Other than the fleece girth cover, there have been no equipment changes. His saddle fits him well.
He was using his back and rear end well under saddle, and doesn’t show soreness when I do the zipper test
Teeth are done regularly and were just done 2 months ago
Was inside last week due to foul weather, has been outside frolicking for last few days (so this has happened both when he has and hasn’t been turned out.)


I’m stumped as to what’s causing the discomfort and sensitivity. What say ye, COTH?

ChocoMare
Oct. 29, 2008, 03:03 PM
Have a certified chiro out for the once over. Usually it's a rib or two out of whack.

Melissa.Hare.Jones
Oct. 29, 2008, 03:03 PM
Was he sensitive to touch or grooming before you put the saddle on?

cevent
Oct. 29, 2008, 03:11 PM
My first thought was ulcers, I know you said he hasn't given an indication of them before, but I wouldn't necessarily rule them out. My second thought was lyme disease. I don't know where you are so I don't know if it's prevalent in your area, but lyme can cause mood changes so I'd have blood drawn for a titer. I also agree with chocomare to have a chiro out to take a look at him. Good luck!:)

EventFan
Oct. 29, 2008, 03:20 PM
I also thought of ulcers. A horse at my barn did that and it turned out to be ulcers. The owner had him checked for back pain, full blood panel etc, before ulcers were dx. After some time on meds he was fine again.

johnnysauntie
Oct. 29, 2008, 05:06 PM
Good feedback, thanks!

In other news, I just got a text from my trainer. He wasn't sensitive so she saddled him up and they had a great ride.

For those with ulcer experience - do the symptoms appear and disappear like I'm seeing - where he's great one day, and really grouchy the next?

Acertainsmile
Oct. 29, 2008, 05:59 PM
I second the chiro, I had a very girthy, nasty want to kill you mare... she had the 4th or 5th vertabrae out of whack... worked wonders getting her adjusted!

sublimequine
Oct. 29, 2008, 07:09 PM
Just so you hear both sides of the 'chiro story'.. I had a chiro out to see my mare ONCE (and ONLY once, goodness knows :no: )... my mare hated every minute of it, the chiro was rough and charged me out the wazoo. Horrendous experience. :mad:

I'm thinking either ulcers or saddle fit, personally. I'd be curious riding him bareback, and see if it makes any difference in his demeanor.

BumbleBee
Oct. 29, 2008, 07:49 PM
My gelding goes through something simular every fall. Sweetie pie acts like the devil because he is cold and I haven't started blanketing him yet.

At least that is an easy one to check. Blanket him for a few days see if his mood stablizes.

My gelding is back to his happy self pretty darn quick when he knows I have clued in.

Mind you I do sometimes get ear pinning when he thinks I am removing his blankets. Guess it's time for his quarter sheet.:yes:

cevent
Oct. 29, 2008, 08:12 PM
For those with ulcer experience - do the symptoms appear and disappear like I'm seeing - where he's great one day, and really grouchy the next?

I think the symptoms can come and go. Common symptoms are attitude/behavioral change, performance change, poor appetite or won't eat, and colic. If his attitude changes again, have your vet out and see what they think. They may give you some gastro guard to start him on to see if he improves.

sid
Oct. 29, 2008, 08:47 PM
These are almost the exact symptoms of my horse when she developed Lyme. I've seen the same behavior in another horse with Lyme. It's almost as if their skin is on fire and a generally extremely cranky.

jetsmom
Oct. 29, 2008, 10:38 PM
I'd vote for ulcers, Lyme or static electricity due to weather.

Whitfield Farm Hanoverians
Oct. 29, 2008, 10:53 PM
Sounds like it could be ulcers & yep the symptoms do come & go. Another thing, even though it sound weird, he could be having a reaction to the natural fleece/wool girth cover. You might want to change that to see if it's feeling funny to him.

chicamuxen1
Oct. 30, 2008, 07:11 AM
Friends horse was suddenly tender and ouchy on one side of his body, then under saddle he started to get weird about moving away from her leg. He was never lame. He was tested for Lyme Disease and came back with a very high positive. He was treated for Lyme and all resolved. Lyme symptoms can be quite odd. It's always a possibility.

chicamuxen

johnnysauntie
Oct. 31, 2008, 07:41 AM
Vet's coming out next week, I'll see what she thinks and will also scope for ulcers and draw blood for Lyme.

The mystery continues. My trainer had a great ride on Wednesday, but last night, he was sensitive again, pinning his ears and threatening violence when I stroked his sides. I'm seeking professional help!

EventFan
Oct. 31, 2008, 07:43 AM
I think you are definitely doing the right thing by having the Vet out. If it were just a bad day or two he would be over it by now, and as you say he is generally sweet. Let us know what the VEt says, okay?