2nd poll - a new American registry

[DownYonder]

Let's try this again with fewer choices to try to eliminate confusion.

[Joanne]

Yes, I would like to see a revised poll, using a different word than "consider" (I would consider leaving...) as some people interpreted that as a definite, instead of the possibility one might not change, etc.

[MagicRoseFarm]

you would have done much better with MORE choices allowing multiples,
this will give you a LESS accurate picture than the last..

there is not ONE of these 4 I am interested to mark...

None says , yes if it is designed to best suit our US Market.

[tri]

I believe that the business model that the ISR/Oldna has would be the best. Have two books for American Sporthorses (can have non-traditional blood) and two books for Warmbloods (strict pedigree adherence).

Is that something that everyone could get behind?

[Tiki]

I would rather see a nationwide or North American Breeder's Alliance than yet another new registry that registers anything with 4 legs and a tail. Most people here have their own reasons for the registry(ies) they have chosen and will probably never agree, but an alliance for marketing, lobbying and advertising could do wonders using the strength of ALL breeders of ALL registries.

[DownYonder]

you would have done much better with MORE choices allowing multiples,
this will give you a LESS accurate picture than the last..

there is not ONE of these 4 I am interested to mark...

None says , yes if it is designed to best suit our US Market.

LOL, since so many people disagree on exactly what is meant by "best suited for our U.S. market", there was no way I could compose a poll question of 100 characters or less that adequately addresses that issue.

Besides, my intent was to try to figure out how many people want Euro rules versus how many want looser rules versus how many don't care.

[DownYonder]

I believe that the business model that the ISR/Oldna has would be the best. Have two books for American Sporthorses (can have non-traditional blood) and two books for Warmbloods (strict pedigree adherence).

Is that something that everyone could get behind?

Kathy, I think something along those lines might be attractive to a lot of people - assuming the by-laws, leadership, etc., are acceptable - however I still think there are going to be a slew of folks who will not leave their current registry, no matter what.

[Fairview Horse Center]

I love how the KWPN is organized with using Studbook, Foalbook, Register A, Register B.

[ljshorses]

I love how the KWPN is organized with using Studbook, Foalbook, Register A, Register B.

Agree!!!!

[Atlantis]

I would rather see a nationwide or North American Breeder's Alliance than yet another new registry that registers anything with 4 legs and a tail. Most people here have their own reasons for the registry(ies) they have chosen and will probably never agree, but an alliance for marketing, lobbying and advertising could do wonders using the strength of ALL breeders of ALL registries.

Yes, I agree with this. I would almost certainly support some sort of American conglomerate in addition to my current registry, but I would not be interested in leaving my current registry.

I haven't voted in any of these polls because there is a general assumption that we must choose one or the other, either our current registry OR a new American one. Why couldn't a person keep their current registry affiliation, but also support a new American registry? There are many registries which operate under the umbrella of the WBFSH, while maintaining their individual registry affiliation.

[Atlantis]

My response to the other similar thread:

I can see the value of a group which could consolidate all of the registry database information in one place. I could also see the value and convenience of being able to get one stallion guide each year, with all stallions from all registries included in one guide. I can see the potential for a large group to organize and fund things like auctions and stallion expos more easily than having each registry tackle these things individually. I can see the convenience of being able to go to one organization/website and search for, say, all black yearling fillies within 250 miles of me, or all Dutch stallions competing at FEI who ship fresh semen.

I can see the value of all of these conveniences, and would be willing to support such a group.

However, I have no interest in leaving my current registry. My current registry's guidelines and standards suite me perfectly, and I can say with pride my horses are X and my registry is Y.

I also feel that if a new organization were to try to take control of things like inspections and stallion testings, or establishing and maintaining breed standards, the new organization would have a very tough road ahead of them. I would leave these things to the individual registries.

I see the need for a group which is more of an omnipresent coordinator, organizer, and database geek squad. Working for/with existing registries, not replacing them.

[tri]

Those of you that want to keep all the small fragmented regsitries, how do you propose to solve the following problems:

1. Each registry having to fund an entire North American inspection tour in which many of the sites only have a very small handful of entries. This costs each registry a boatload of money and we have european inspectors crisscrossing over each other's paths as these registries are holding redundant events.

2. Mare owners calling around to registry after registry to see if that year's chosen stallion is approved or where they might have to drag their poor mare to yet another approval site to be able to get a registerable foal.

3. The continued marketing of U.S. bred horses as a european product furthering the buying public's notion that to go to europe is the best.

4. The bleeding of money that both stallion owners and mare owners have to do to belong to & have approval with all these registries in the form of multiple membership fees, multi stallion activation fees and then also having to cough up yet more money to belong to yet another organization. This versus consolidating it down to bring a more cost-effective product to market.

5.Again, the fragmenting of the monies into the various registries so no real power source could be created.

6. The various registries past disdain for working with each other and unwillingness to share information.....much less forgo putting out their own stallion directory in favor of participating in one large "shared" directory.

[Fairview Horse Center]

I don't think anyone can't see the value in coming together under one registry, but most are not willing to give up the safety, and public confidence of established registries to take a chance on an unproven, and unstarted mystery group. ESPECIALLY they are not willing to give up a highly thought of name for one that is tarnished in the perseption of the buying public.

This is why I believe we need an organization. Once established, and people are happy with the success and government of such a group, it may develop into a registry. Whether it does or not would be dependent on how people feel about it, and if the members want it.

We have to build SOMETHING first, before anyone will come.

[JMurray]

Tri,

Your questions assume that every Breed Registry would operate like a warmblood registry does and I don't think that is a standard for the American Breeds.

Do the Quarter Horse, Morgan and Appalossa breed registries work that way? That was a real question because I do not know.

I guess I would need to understand what the charter of this new Breed registry would be before I would switch, I just can't picture what it would do that would give us an advantage, so I am at the puzzlement stage with this.

[tri]

Jmurray, I'm not sure I'm following you. I'm referring to warmblood & sporthorse breeding in the U.S. which has been set up under a lot of very small offshoots of the euro registries instead of starting under our own regional warmblood registry.

As other regions around the world - such as in Belgium with the creation of the BWP - decided to breed warmbloods, they set up their own studbooks, bringing in horses from various places, mostly europe, and approved them under their studbook. Then marketed that "product" as their own. They gained WBFSH membership, voted and petitioned to have more FEI ranked events that their horses could compete in, pushing their world ranking up and gaining a worldwide reputation for breeding int'l level sporthorses. As a result, people go to a region specifically to buy these horses, their cooperation within their single registry allows them to promote themselves, hold fabulous events that attract riders & trainers across the world...and it becomes a snowball effect.

As breeders in the U.S. decided to breed warmbloods, most didn't understand that this was how it was usually done and basically asked the various registries to come to the U.S. and do it for them. The europeans, once recovering from their confusion, realized that they could expand in the rich but naive american marketplace, rack up additional votes in the WBFSH and fell all over themselves in setting up offshoot registries here.

The result is a fragmented, under funded, under marketed system that is controlled by foreign entities tied to the needs of their main home membership.

Consolidation under a new entitiy or under a revamped existing one would simply be righting that initial mistake and allowing U.S. warmblood breeders to start moving forward.

[JMurray]

Thanks Tri, I was confused!