International Heavy Warmblood

[DancingAppy]

Does anyone have any information on this registry?

I've found their website but it's in German, which I don't speak.

I really like the look of these guys but there's not much info out about them.

[twofatponies]

Google sez:

The International Heavy Warmblood Horse Breeders Association (I.H.W.) was founded in 1994 as
Vereniging Oud-Groninger Paard (VOGP). Because the studbook operated international we had to change
the name to International Heavy Warmblood Horse Breeders Association. The studbook registrates horses
with bloodlines from Groninger, Old-Oldenburger, Silesian (Slaska), Classic Gelderlander, Classic
Tuigpaard and Ostfriesian bloodlines.
The studbook was founded to keep the old bloodlines. In the Netherlands there was another studbook
for classic horses, but they used stallions from Holstein and Cleveland Bay. The old stallions
weren’t appreciated anymore. A group of breeders who wanted to keep the classic horses without
influence of Holsteiner and Cleveland Bay stallions then founded the IHW. The first approved stallion was
Excellenzie (out of Experiment Monstergard and Pascha from Senner). Soon other stallions were
approved like Grusus ex. Humus from Lakmus, Bonzo from Bojkot, Archimes from Centimo, Otto from
Orlando Marienhoj and Orbaldo from Orlando Marienhoj. The studbook now has three main studbooks:
- Heavy Warmblood (which includes the Silisian horses, the Old-oldenburger, the Ostfriesian horses
and the Groninger horses.
- Classic Gelderlanderhorse.
- Classic Tuigpaard (coach horses), hackney or saddlebred is not accepted.

Sounds interesting!

[gabriellemg]

In the group's opinion, what European Warmblood registries have horses that have retained the Cleveland Bay influence?

GMG
Texas USA

[BravAddict]

http://www.hetgroningerpaard.nl/upload_bestanden/pdf/Hengsten%202008.pdf
If you scroll down to "Hanno" I believe this is the type of thing they're referring to. At the bottom is a summary of heavy warmblood male families.

[gabriellemg]

thanks so much.

GMG
Texas USA

[Yootha Baving]

If you want further information please feel free to ask.

[Yootha Baving]

International Heavy Warmblood Horse Breeders Association (I.H.W.) was founded in 1994 as Vereniging Oud-Groninger Paard (VOGP). Because the studbook operated international we had to change the name to International Heavy Warmblood Horse Breeders Association. The studbook registrates horses with bloodlines from Groninger, Old-Oldenburger, Silesian (Slaska), Classic Gelderlander, Classic Tuigpaard and Ostfriesian bloodlines.

The studbook was founded to keep the old bloodlines. In the Netherlands there was another studbook for classic horses, but they used stallions from Holstein and Cleveland Bay. The old stallions weren’t appreciated anymore. A group of breeders who wanted to keep the classic horses without influence of Holsteiner and Cleveland Bay stallions then founded the IHW. The first approved stallion was Excellenzie (out of Experiment Monstergard and Pascha from Senner). Soon other stallions were approved like Grusus ex. Humus from Lakmus, Bonzo from Bojkot, Archimes from Centimo, Otto from Orlando Marienhoj and Orbaldo from Orlando Marienhoj. The studbook now has three main studbooks:
- Heavy Warmblood (which includes the Silisian horses, the Old-oldenburger, the Ostfriesian horses and the Groninger horses.
- Classic Gelderlanderhorse.
- Classic Tuigpaard (coach horses), hackney or saddlebred is not accepted.

In the main studbooks horses are being registrated who meet up to the following demands:
- mares 75% -100% classic bloodlines
- stallions 87,5% - 100% classic bloodlines

When you take a look of the bloodlines of the three main studbooks you will see that they all have the same ancestors. In their breedingprogrammes they only selected other qualities. The heavy warmbloods where used to work on the farms and the coach horses and the Gelderlander where used to go to the church. The coach horses have a lot of knee action.
At the IHW we want to breed an allround horse. They are used for riding, driving and jumping.
Driver Chester Weber from the USA has a son of Grusus , Grumus out of the mare Ofraah Alida, in his four-in-hand.
The IHW also has an Sportbook. In this part of the studbook horses are being registrated who don’t have the percentages (%) for the main studbook. The main goal of the IHW is of course the main studbook.

I hope that together with al the breeders in the whole world we can make sure that this beautiful horse will always be there.

Some pictures:
http://www.ihwstudbook.com/upload/acilda_v._paradox_x_cilda_v._wachtmeester_102.jpg
Main studbookmare Biretta (Biret x Excellenzie)

http://www.ihwstudbook.com/upload/drumla.jpg
Main studbookmares

http://www.ihwstudbook.com/upload/circe.jpg
Sportbookmares

http://www.ihwstudbook.com/html/hengsten/foto/Zorro_2.jpg
Approved main studbookstallion Zorro (Nando x Heineke) Classic Tuigpaard

http://www.ihwstudbook.com/html/hengsten/foto/IMG_7569_2.jpg
Approved Sportbook stallion James Bont Junior (James Bont x Linardo)

http://www.ihwstudbook.com/html/hengsten/foto/2.jpg
Approved Sportbook stallion What's Colour (Samber x Mecenas)

http://www.ihwstudbook.com/html/hengsten/foto/toe.jpg
Approved main studbookstallion Toevallig (Elegant x Walser) Classic Gelderlanderhorse

http://www.ihwstudbook.com/html/hengsten/foto/Wilskracht.jpg
Approved Sportbookstallion Wilskracht (Amsterdam x Walser) Same mother as Toevallig.


All approved stallions http://www.ihwstudbook.com/html/hengsten.html

[FriesianX]

Interesting - I'd never heard of this registry before. Are they at all active in the U.S.? Or is it solely a registry of the Netherlands? They accept horses of Friesian bloodlines? Notice how quickly that grabs my interest :D Most WB registries have no interest in the Friesian lineage :no:

[Horsecrazy27]

I LIKE THEM!!! I personally think the moderns are getting toooooo light in some cases. I like those heavy boys!

[Yootha Baving]

We accept Eastfrisian horses. This is an other breed than Friesian.

We have a stallion in the USA at the moment.
His name is Ornament and this is his website: http://decadent-art.com/
This is a sportbookstallion.

[FriesianX]

We accept Eastfrisian horses. This is an other breed than Friesian.

We have a stallion in the USA at the moment.
His name is Ornament and this is his website: http://decadent-art.com/
This is a sportbookstallion.


Oh well, there goes my interest ;) I have a lovely Friesian/Dutch WB cross stallion - there are a few of us with horses of that type, although mine is the only one I know of actively showing right now. I'd never heard of EastFriesian as a separate breed!

HorseCrazy - I agree, the new "modern" WB is too light for my tastes. I like the old sturdy, big boned horses!

[Renae]

The East Friesian was a separate breed, a heavy harness/coaching horse from an area of Germany that borders the Netherlands. The East Frieisan was folded into the Hanoverian book in 1975.

[misita]

OMGosh!!! That black stallion with 4 socks! Whew, what a beaty~!

[Bravestrom]

My half swedish warmblood would fit right in and is almost a dead ringer for Wilskracht

Here is a link to his pic - yearling - 16.2 hh

http://www.hotelfun4kids.com/images/horses/STROM/strom2008.jpg

[FriesianX]

Photo album of my guy - he's a heavy Warmblood with pizazz :lol:

http://share.shutterfly.com/share/received/welcome.sfly?fid=8fc943f413ceb36f&sid=0AZsmrZs4cOWLHQg

[Fancy That]

I LIKE THEM!!! I personally think the moderns are getting toooooo light in some cases. I like those heavy boys!

Me too! I just gravitate to "chunksters" of many breeds, so of course, these warmbloods with tons of bone, body and nice smooth curvy bodies are beautiful to me!

Very interesting thread! There is a pinto warmblood approved, but looking at his pedigree - he has tons of TB. I guess I don't quite understand the details of the Heavy Warmblood registry. I think the sport type is lighter? (so can be TB bloodlines?)

Can someone educate me about Holsteiners? I didn't know they were so different than the other Euro WBs. They are categorized with Cleveland Bays in the "other" heavy WB registry? I am familiar with CB's and they are very 'heavy' looking to me. Are Holsteiners this way, too?

[silver2]

Is the purpose of this registry to preserve and breed coaching types? Or just heavier riding horses?

Gorgeous horses.

[CDE Driver]

http://www.ihwstudbook.com/html/hengsten/foto/Zorro_2.jpg[/url]
Approved main studbookstallion Zorro (Nando x Heineke) Classic Tuigpaard

http://www.ihwstudbook.com/html/hengsten/foto/IMG_7569_2.jpg
Approved Sportbook stallion James Bont Junior (James Bont x Linardo)

http://www.ihwstudbook.com/html/hengsten/foto/2.jpg
Approved Sportbook stallion What's Colour (Samber x Mecenas)

http://www.ihwstudbook.com/html/hengsten/foto/toe.jpg
Approved main studbookstallion Toevallig (Elegant x Walser) Classic Gelderlanderhorse

http://www.ihwstudbook.com/html/hengsten/foto/Wilskracht.jpg
Approved Sportbookstallion Wilskracht (Amsterdam x Walser) Same mother as Toevallig.


All approved stallions http://www.ihwstudbook.com/html/hengsten.html

Are any of these stallions available in the US? I would love to use one of them with my Flemming x Rubenstein filly that is 1/8 Gelderlander through her Mother line.
I have been considering a newly approved Gelders stallion Alexandro P that will be available here in 2009, or one of the DHH stallions available here.

[Yootha Baving]

Cleveland Bay and Holstein are also heavy breeds but way back they weren's crossed with Old-Oldenburger mares and therefor we don't accept their bloodlines as original.

A few of these stallions are available by semen.
The sportbookstallions are allowed to have other blood among which is TB.

[Yootha Baving]

Is the purpose of this registry to preserve and breed coaching types? Or just heavier riding horses?

Gorgeous horses.


We want to preserve te breed. The horses are allround and are being used for jumping, dressage and driving

[CDE Driver]

A few of these stallions are available by semen.


Can you tell me who is available? And how/where?

[Fancy That]

http://www.ihwstudbook.com/html/hengsten/foto/Zorro_2.jpg[/url]
Approved main studbookstallion Zorro (Nando x Heineke) Classic Tuigpaard

http://www.ihwstudbook.com/html/hengsten/foto/IMG_7569_2.jpg
Approved Sportbook stallion James Bont Junior (James Bont x Linardo)

http://www.ihwstudbook.com/html/hengsten/foto/2.jpg
Approved Sportbook stallion What's Colour (Samber x Mecenas)

http://www.ihwstudbook.com/html/hengsten/foto/toe.jpg
Approved main studbookstallion Toevallig (Elegant x Walser) Classic Gelderlanderhorse

http://www.ihwstudbook.com/html/hengsten/foto/Wilskracht.jpg
Approved Sportbookstallion Wilskracht (Amsterdam x Walser) Same mother as Toevallig.


All approved stallions http://www.ihwstudbook.com/html/hengsten.html

Are any of these stallions available in the US? I would love to use one of them with my Flemming x Rubenstein filly that is 1/8 Gelderlander through her Mother line.
I have been considering a newly approved Gelders stallion Alexandro P that will be available here in 2009, or one of the DHH stallions available here.

CDE - you have good taste...these were the stallions I was drooling all over my keyboard for! Especially Wilskracht, Toevallig and James Bont Junior. Seems if you have a filly with the Gelderlander dam line....crossing to these old-bloodlines makes alot of sense. (and you'd end up with a super gorgeous, flashy pony, too)

[Yootha Baving]

Toevallig and Wilskracht: www.toevalligenwilskracht.tk
Casanova Boy: www.groningerhengsten.nl and then go to Hengsten for stallions and Nakomelingen for offspring.
El Dorado: www.stal-littink.nl

These stallions have semen availabe. I can ask if it is also possible from Zorro.

[gabriellemg]

About five years ago I emailed the American division of a major European warmblood registry that had inspections in the United States.
I asked if my registered purebred Cleveland Bay mare could participate in the mare approval process for this registry. I also asked if she would be eligible for the main mare book or must she be in the lower level mare book.

The answer was no matter what she looked like, she was only eligible for the lowest level mare book. I wrote that this registry had a history of CBs in their pedigrees. The response was very bluntly that the CB type was not wanted any longer. ie. CB purebred mares need not apply

It was very discouraging.

GMG
Texas USA

[CDE Driver]

Toevallig and Wilskracht: www.toevalligenwilskracht.tk
Casanova Boy: www.groningerhengsten.nl and then go to Hengsten for stallions and Nakomelingen for offspring.
El Dorado: www.stal-littink.nl

These stallions have semen availabe. I can ask if it is also possible from Zorro.

Now if I just spoke Dutch I could figure out if they ship semen :) Or what their breeding fee is...

[Horsecrazy27]

I'm glad I'm not alone. ha ha ha.

My boy is rather---old style--- www.hollidaysporthorses.com and I like him so much! A hunk of burning love! :)
ha ha ha ha.

I like heavy duty horses and trucks!! :) and men! h a ha ha haha

[Fancy That]

I'm glad I'm not alone. ha ha ha.

My boy is rather---old style--- www.hollidaysporthorses.com and I like him so much! A hunk of burning love! :)
ha ha ha ha.

I like heavy duty horses and trucks!! :) and men! h a ha ha haha

Oooh, I love the "heavy duty" horses, too and looked at your webpage. Wow! Your boy is gorgeous. Talk about having good bone, too! And a lovely mover.

This is such a neat thread. I've always been drawn to the Warmbloods with a bit more body, bone and of the old/classic type.

[Yootha Baving]

The owner of Toevallig and Wilskracht is now busy with asking for information for shipping semen to the USA.

[Bravestrom]

This is very interesting. We have been looking for larger warmbloods - I have two boys that event and both are 200 lbs and one is 6'4" and the other is 5'10".

Not the normal sized eventers so we are breeding our own. We started with exceptional draft crosses and now have added warmblood - our first filly is 2 1/2 and was just backed. We have a yearling colt - both of these horses are over 16.3hh and have lots of bone, great attitude and wonderful movement.

It is difficult to find larger horses and we need them. We have just purchased a beautiful hanoverian filly that is on the larger size and look forward to breeding her with our warmblood cross colt in a couple years.

Both our own bred csha registered foals have placed very well and/or won sport horse line classes. Our first filly scored 86% in the 2006 sport horse foal championships - she was in the top 5 across Canada.

But it is a bit of an uphill battle, which is fine with me, as most of the horses we compete against are the typical small/fine bred modern warmblood that is just not our thing. No matter - but it is funny when you bring in a yearling to show and they say - that is not the 2 yr old class or you bring in your 2 yr old and they say - that is not the 3 yr old class.

some can be seen at www.hotelfun4kids.com/horses.htm

[Horsecrazy27]

Oooh, I love the "heavy duty" horses, too and looked at your webpage. Wow! Your boy is gorgeous. Talk about having good bone, too! And a lovely mover.

This is such a neat thread. I've always been drawn to the Warmbloods with a bit more body, bone and of the old/classic type.

I like looking at a "wb" and knowing it is a wb---not thinking--- could that be a tb? I'm 5'11", I'm also heavy boned and extra curvy====I like having a solid horse beneath me. :)

When I was in Germany the person who was showing us around said it was very important that there are some breeders that keep breeding this style-- (did I already say this?) I'm all for it. :)

Prodomus..... good looking horses! Good job!

[Yootha Baving]

My filly as 11 months old.
http://www.ihwstudbook.com/upload/sabine1.jpg
She is modern type Heavy Warmblood. (93,75% Classic bloodlines, 6,25% XX in the 5th generation (TB))

Our other filly as 3 months old.
http://www.ihwstudbook.com/upload/dsc00039.jpg
She is more the classic type Heavy Warmblood (100% classic bloodlines)

Her full sister as filly.
http://www.ihwstudbook.com/upload/94386922_6_qgys.jpg
classic type Heavy Warmblood (100% classic bloodlines)

The mother of the last two horses:
http://www.ihwstudbook.com/upload/sentina_sarah_18.jpg
Now 22 Years old.

[Yootha Baving]

My latest buy:

http://album.partyflock.nl/53200024.jpg
Ehrenberg SL (93,75% classic)

[Horsecrazy27]

Very nice!