Rubin Cortez

[STF]

What is your take on him?
I think he is wuvllllly....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8mWw5JV_w0

[tri]

Looks like a saddlebred.

[tri]

Look at this link and drag the video forward to 1:16 where they have the foal loose at liberty. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSb6OYDzOrg

[NoDQhere]

What is your take on him?
I think he is wuvllllly....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8mWw5JV_w0

OK, I will just ignore Tri's posts because, well just because......:rolleyes:

He is lovely. Can't think of a bad thing to say about him, actually, except maybe that he isn't mine :lol:.

For the record, I like him more in the other video when he seems much more relaxed and comfortable in his surroundings.

[tri]

Its ok, we can agree to disagree. You act like I said something bad about saddlebreds, I didn't. I just think its gotten too extreme for a warmblood but I breed jumpers so that is where I'm coming from. I realize that dressage folks like that saddlebred style movement. I do however, know quite a bit of dressage folks who don't like these extremes either. So I guess it is each to his/her own.

[JGHIRETIRE]

Well..............I don't think I'd kick him out of my barn - :)

[europa]

Not into the flavor of the month in Europe with the knee action. I have to agree with Tri. Too much wasted energy and let's face it most people CANNOT ride those types of gaits. This is JUST MY OPINION....I know many like this type of movement.

[mmt]

I absolutely think that the stallions like this while having perhaps a tad too round of knee as himself to extent that it is harder for the leg as easily to extend fully in an extension, is still lovely and exactly what we need is you have a dressage horse that moves in front more like a hunter. His foals should have the "perfect" amount of knee.

I have seen him in person and would love to ride him. He looks very nice in the connection and has a super hind leg that should make teaching him piaffe easy and with that front leg, the passage should also be very fancy. He also has a lovely canter and good walk.

Stallions with more knee, especially with the R line rideability, are quite desireable in my opinion since most of the R line stallions have a flat and straighter front leg.

[europa]

I am unclear about what you are saying....you are saying that we need dressage horses that move more like hunters??? He doesn't move more like a hunter nor is he bred for anything other then dressage??? Me confused.

And where are you getting his foals should have a perfect amount of knee?

This just does not make sense to me. Now, you can argue that he will nicely perform piaffe which is probably true but for those of use that like the long and low it goes against what we like to see.

There is a part of me that also questions why they move with such action.....are they going to be more prone to injury due to their dramatic movement. I think they might. Something is enabling the movement to be soo extreme is it angles....long pasterns??? Makes me wonder is all I can say.

[grayarabpony]

I'd like to see a horse that uses his body more so that there's more actual float to his gaits, rather than so much leg action.

[DownYonder]

I have to admit that, judging from these videos, he is not my cup of tea. While I do like the activity of his hindleg, I would like to see a bit more freedom and extension in front. And, as Grayarabpony said, more use of his body.

I have not seen the horse in person, only on a few videos where he is being very carefully kept "under wraps" by his rider. I would very much like to see him in person, or moving freely without constraint by his rider.

Also, I think maybe MMT meant to say "...exactly what we need IF you have a dressage horse that moves in front more like a hunter...His foals should have the "perfect" amount of knee." Meaning that he could be a very good choice for a dressage mare that moves flat in front like a hunter. MMT, please correct me if I am wrong in my interpretation.

[Edgewood]

Also, I think maybe MMT meant to say "...exactly what we need IF you have a dressage horse that moves in front more like a hunter...His foals should have the "perfect" amount of knee." Meaning that he could be a very good choice for a dressage mare that moves flat in front like a hunter. MMT, please correct me if I am wrong in my interpretation.

I think that is what MMT was meaning to say too. And I do agree that the knee in RC (and some other stallions) is a bit too much for my liking. However, I do agree that they are good candidates to cross with a mare that has a bit flatter movement in front - so I agree with MMT on that one. Actually, my 1 mare is like that and this year I did breed her to a stallion with more knee action this year. So time will tell what I get (next year)!

[mmt]

Thanks Chris and Kris. Yes, that is what I meant!

There are a variety of mares that move too flat in front to be really wowy movers.

The more knee factor is something I like about Sir Donnerhall and also For Complement since they can add some more expression in front to the foals from those that move in a more "sweeping" style from the shoulder rather than lifting the forearm.

What to me is perfect is when you have a round enough knee with the forearm picking up and then being able to extend.

Sir Donnerhall also could not do a real extension until he was older for the same reason of having "too much knee" and not being strong enough to hold the length of stride as a young horse.

I did see Rubin Cortes do a very nice PSG as a seven year old in Verden, although he does not have a blow your mind extended trot like for example Dramatic does as only a six year old.

[Sakura]

Isn't this the kind of "sewing machine" action Arabians and Saddlebreds have been slammed for?

[NoDQhere]

Isn't this the kind of "sewing machine" action Arabians and Saddlebreds have been slammed for?

No, it is not. There is a thread about this same horse on the Dressage Forum that has some good explainations of the difference. Check it out. The thread is by STF as well and is titled, "I like this guy".