TB sale at Shartlesville, Pa on October 26th

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

Richie is having another sale this month, the catalog is out and he told me today there will be more horses in a supplemental catalog too. I don't think there is an upset price, so you may be able to get a nice horse for an inexpensive price.

Here is the link to the catalog: http://www.mountainspringarena.com/Pennsylvania_mixed.pdf

[keepthelegend]

Happened to click on this and see an old broodmare my grandfather bred. Between being a CANTER foster home and taking back every homebred I see I am totally full. I really need to stop clicking on this sort of thing because I can't refuse them. Does anybody feel like giving Calle Del Paz a good home?? She has had 3 stakes horses and actually has a great story behind her. When is this auction?

[Cherry]

TB sale at Shartlesville, Pa on October 26th
Starts at noon. :winkgrin:

[keepthelegend]

Thanks! I was posting way too late at night...totally missed that bold type right in front of me! Is anybody going?

[DickHertz]

I'm going, but probably not buying.

[sprocket]

I'm considering going, i know I'm a little crazy considering racing,but am looking for a bargain that if it would not run would fit into an event job. New to racing, but would like to give it a try, buying yearlings or two year olds. Suggestions as what to look at at this sale. Thanlks in advance, like the Changeintheweather foals the best.

[DickHertz]

Get a partner and buy a horse ready to race...not a yearling or two year old.

[sprocket]

Dick, thanks for the advice, your probably right, but I am in the position where we have a farm,space and time to wait on a few. I figured with the market as it is I would try to buy something to bring along that we had started, knowing that if it could not run for a price that would pay for itself that we could fall back on bringing it along as an eventer. I figured it would be the closest thing to a home breed we could get, and still elimanate the expenses until that yearling stage and have a pick of what we get. Your advice is probably sounder as it relates to racing, but I'm looking to try something different for us.Regards

[SleepyFox]

I'm considering going, i know I'm a little crazy considering racing,but am looking for a bargain that if it would not run would fit into an event job. New to racing, but would like to give it a try, buying yearlings or two year olds. Suggestions as what to look at at this sale. Thanlks in advance, like the Changeintheweather foals the best.

Haven't looked at the catalogue, but in general, if you are bargain hunting look at some of the smaller later foals and the ones that were less well prepped. In other words - look at the potential not exactly what is staring at you the day of the sale. Also, look at horses out of mares who have produced useful racehorses but maybe no blacktype - they have less commercial appeal but are still viable race prospects.

Good luck and have fun!!

[KBEquine]

Sprocket, you have a PM.

[DickHertz]

Dick, thanks for the advice, your probably right, but I am in the position where we have a farm,space and time to wait on a few. I figured with the market as it is I would try to buy something to bring along that we had started, knowing that if it could not run for a price that would pay for itself that we could fall back on bringing it along as an eventer. I figured it would be the closest thing to a home breed we could get, and still elimanate the expenses until that yearling stage and have a pick of what we get. Your advice is probably sounder as it relates to racing, but I'm looking to try something different for us.Regards

Ok. Have fun paying $5,000 additional in training expenses until the horse gets in the starting gate for its debut.

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

I talked to Richie the other day and he said there will be a supplemental catalog the day of the sale. I think he said he took 30 more horses for the sale.

Nothing really jumps out at me, lots of babies by unknowns.

[DickHertz]

Richie should get more horses of racing age ready to run. The market for young horses, especially in this part of the country, is almost non-existent.

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

Bumping up

[Laurierace]

There were many 10-20? TB yearlings that went through the sale at New Holland this past week. Some went as low as $20.

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

The market is really bad. No one wants to buy or if they do they don't want to spend any money.

I heard a Smarty Jones yearling went for $3000 at the Timonium sale last month.

Richie's daughter has a great business there. She breaks babies and get them going for the track. She is wonderful horsewoman, she takes excellent care of the them and they are well broke. They are hoping to get a track in next year to expand the business.

[Jaegermonster]

Wow. I wish I could go. On paper it looks as though there are some nice horses in the catalog.
for my virtual sporthorse broodmare band and young horse crop :) I like 14 24 40 63
of course that's only based on pedigree, that might change on sight.
It's amazing now how cheaply decent horses can be had.

[It'sAlwaysSomething]

There were many 10-20? TB yearlings that went through the sale at New Holland this past week. Some went as low as $20.

I hope the people breeding and disposing of these youngsters would stop. This is so sad.

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

Just a reminder that the sale is this Sunday.

[BeverlyAStrauss]

Lets hope we dont see any of these horses at New Holland on Monday.....

[DeeThbd]

bump

[bogey21]

Anyone have the sale results. I am curious about Hip #20,25,28 and 87

George

[DickHertz]

Hip #20 was bid up to a phony $8,300 as Rich Miller had someone bidding the horse up against one other bidder so nobody knows what the horse is really worth.

I gotta say, and if someone is close to Rich Miller they should tell him, I had 2-3 people tell me not to touch 2 year olds he consigns because he has a bad reputation and the bids are usually phony. I don't know Rich Miller and I'm not talking bad about him, but he should know what people talk about at his sales. As soon as the bidding was done on the Wheaton 2 year old, people started laughing then someone came up to tell the underbidder that she was just bid up $4,000 by a planted bidder.

The auction was pretty much what I thought. The nice yearlings went for $2,000-$4,000 and most of the rest of the stuff wasn't much. Some sellers had RNA's that were too high. I'll report more later.

[summerhorse]

How much did that Hennessy mare go for??

[DickHertz]

I'm pretty sure she went for the most of any broodmare...maybe $1,200??

[summerhorse]

Thanks!

[Spotted Pony]

Hip #20 was bid up to a phony $8,300 as Rich Miller had someone bidding the horse up against one other bidder so nobody knows what the horse is really worth.

I gotta say, and if someone is close to Rich Miller they should tell him, I had 2-3 people tell me not to touch 2 year olds he consigns because he has a bad reputation and the bids are usually phony. I don't know Rich Miller and I'm not talking bad about him, but he should know what people talk about at his sales. As soon as the bidding was done on the Wheaton 2 year old, people started laughing then someone came up to tell the underbidder that she was just bid up $4,000 by a planted bidder.



What's the difference between having a "planted bidder" and having a reserve on the horse? Either way the seller gets what they want or take the horse home. Having someone bid makes the price alittle more flexible then if the auctioneer has a concrete number to work with. No one said that this was an absolute auction.

[DickHertz]

Well, there was only one other person bidding and half the room knew exactly what was going on except the unsuspecting bidder. I just reported what went on...and that Wheaton colt has some questionable knees IMHO. I was just saying that the only horse who really went for any money was only bid to $8,300 because one trainer had to have a 2 year old in training for her owner and this was the best looking horse there...and that $8,300 wasn't the value of the horse because there was only one true bidder after about the $4,500 mark.

I'm sure you can get away with planting bidders, but when everyone there know's the trick, why does he even bother?

[Spotted Pony]

...and that $8,300 wasn't the value of the horse because there was only one true bidder after about the $4,500 mark.



In this, as in every other facet of the horse business, the value of a horse is only what someone is willing to pay. You can't determine the value solely by the last live bid. That only determines the value to the people in that room ,that day.

[DickHertz]

Whatever...I guess there's a reason why Rich has to go to the podium to try and sell his 2 year olds when they are up and why they don't bring anything.

[DickHertz]

In this, as in every other facet of the horse business, the value of a horse is only what someone is willing to pay. You can't determine the value solely by the last live bid. That only determines the value to the people in that room ,that day.

Which is why that horse is still sitting in his barn...it's not worth $8,300 or anywhere close to that.

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

Hip #20 was bid up to a phony $8,300 as Rich Miller had someone bidding the horse up against one other bidder so nobody knows what the horse is really worth.

I gotta say, and if someone is close to Rich Miller they should tell him, I had 2-3 people tell me not to touch 2 year olds he consigns because he has a bad reputation and the bids are usually phony. I don't know Rich Miller and I'm not talking bad about him, but he should know what people talk about at his sales. As soon as the bidding was done on the Wheaton 2 year old, people started laughing then someone came up to tell the underbidder that she was just bid up $4,000 by a planted bidder.

The auction was pretty much what I thought. The nice yearlings went for $2,000-$4,000 and most of the rest of the stuff wasn't much. Some sellers had RNA's that were too high. I'll report more later.

I am a client of Richies and I don't believe for a minute he does phony bidding. I bought a two year old from his last sale that his daughter had broke and had galloping for a very good price. It may be possible that the owner of the said horse had someone bid it it up, that happens all the time. I have taken horses to auctions and had friends tell me that they will "help me out" with the bidding. Done all the time, but I don't see Richie doing it to help his sale.

What are people saying about his two year olds? I board horses there and have nothing but good things to say about the care of them. Don't come on a public board and say that someone has a bad rep and not elaborate.

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

In this, as in every other facet of the horse business, the value of a horse is only what someone is willing to pay. You can't determine the value solely by the last live bid. That only determines the value to the people in that room ,that day.

Exactly what you just said, I may think my horse is worth this much but someone else may think different. The beauty of the auction and putting a reserve on them.

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

Whatever...I guess there's a reason why Rich has to go to the podium to try and sell his 2 year olds when they are up and why they don't bring anything.

Because he would like to get as much as he can for them, just like anyone else. The economy is bad and no one is buying. Just because he does that doesn't mean that there is something wrong with them. If you had a bunch to sell you would want to get something for them and not give them away. Rich and his daughter have put a lot of time, effort and MONEY into them. You want to get something back in return. Plus, most of them are owned by clients of theirs, I am sure they want him to make as much effort as he can to get them sold.

I sent two mares with foals to the May sale with reserves, I spent money on vets, stallion fees, feed, ect. I needed to get some of it back. Yes, I ended up keeping them. I wasn't going to give away a Turn West filly that is spectacular looking and her mom who won over $98000 for a measly $1000.

[vxf111]

I have never been to this kind of sale, so excuse me if this is an obvious question-- but if there's a reserve, why do you need shill bidding? If the bidding doesn't meet the reserve, the horse doesn't sell. Similarly, if the shill is the top bidder, the horse doesn't sell. Or am I missing something?! If the shill backs out, do they find the 2nd highest bidder and offer that person the horse at their last bid above the shill?!

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

Which is why that horse is still sitting in his barn...it's not worth $8,300 or anywhere close to that.

First off that horse was consigned by Rich, so it is owned by someone else. Perhaps THEY thought the horse was worth that. I am sure the horse is not still at Rich's barn, they don't keep the two year olds past a certain point. They move them on to the next level once they get going.

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

I have never been to this kind of sale, so excuse me if this is an obvious question-- but if there's a reserve, why do you need shill bidding? If the bidding doesn't meet the reserve, the horse doesn't sell. Similarly, if the shill is the top bidder, the horse doesn't sell. Or am I missing something?! If the shill backs out, do they find the 2nd highest bidder and offer that person the horse at their last bid above the shill?!

People like to have "help" with bidding to create excitement and hope others jump in. If the shill backs out and there is no reserve, the previous bidder would get the horse. You can usually tell if there is a reserve as the auctioneer will stop the bidding and talk up the horse and its family trying to get them to start bidding again. Also at the end of the bidding, the auctioneer will check with the owner if the bidding is near the reserve if they want to let them go at the price they are at. Such as if the reserve is for $5000 and they have $4700. The owner may just let it go for that and cut their losses.

It cost me over $1000 for two horses to be at the sale and I no saled both of them. I just could not give away two nicely bred mares with nice foals.

[vxf111]

I see. It makes sense because the 2nd highest bidder is given an option once the shill backs out. Is this listed somewhere in the rules? This might be completely commonplace at TB auctions but it's against the rules at other auctions I've been to. Which might explain why it upset people, if they didn't know ahead of time that they could have been bidding against a shill. At an art auction, this will get you kicked out and is absolutely against the rules. It will also get you kicked off eBay ;) And my limited experience with horse auctions (one in NJ and New Holland) didn't appear to include shill bidding. So I wouldn't have known. Thought maybe most of the crowd did. I can see someone thinking this practice is misleading if they didn't know ahead of time it might occur.

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

I see. It makes sense because the 2nd highest bidder is given an option once the shill backs out. Is this listed somewhere in the rules? This might be completely commonplace at TB auctions but it's against the rules at other auctions I've been to. Which might explain why it upset people, if they didn't know ahead of time that they could have been bidding against a shill.

I don't think it is in the rules but I know it happens at New Holland all the time. If my husband does not know where the bid is, he will ask the auctioneer where it is. This is because the spotters will "pull" a bid from the other side of the room and you have no idea if it is legit or not. This is because a lot of people do not raise their hand. The may tug on a ear or do something else subtle.

[vxf111]

I've only been to New Holland once and didn't notice. Maybe it was subtle, as you suggest. The day I went (many, many moons ago) the only ones bidding were the Amish and the meat guys. I didn't stay more than an hour but I don't think one horse in that time went to a different source. :(

[keepthelegend]

Does anyone know what calle del paz sold for and to who?

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

Does anyone know what calle del paz sold for and to who?


My husband went and in his catalog he has a big x through the page, so I don't know what it means. I will ask him when I see him later today.

[KBEquine]

My husband went and in his catalog he has a big x through the page, so I don't know what it means. I will ask him when I see him later today.

It means Calle Del Paz wasn't at the sale at all. I know because I went looking for her & finally found her number on the "out" list.

[SEPowell]

Well, there was only one other person bidding and half the room knew exactly what was going on except the unsuspecting bidder. I just reported what went on...and that Wheaton colt has some questionable knees IMHO. I was just saying that the only horse who really went for any money was only bid to $8,300 because one trainer had to have a 2 year old in training for her owner and this was the best looking horse there...and that $8,300 wasn't the value of the horse because there was only one true bidder after about the $4,500 mark.

I'm sure you can get away with planting bidders, but when everyone there know's the trick, why does he even bother?


Wonder if he does this when he sells horses at New Holland?

[DickHertz]

What are people saying about his two year olds? I board horses there and have nothing but good things to say about the care of them. Don't come on a public board and say that someone has a bad rep and not elaborate.

That he'll put a 2 year old through the ring who have soundness issues, but are slight enough they haven't fully festered.

[DickHertz]

Wonder if he does this when he sells horses at New Holland?

Is he a New Holland seller?

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

It means Calle Del Paz wasn't at the sale at all. I know because I went looking for her & finally found her number on the "out" list.

That is what he told me tonight when we were feeding. I didn't realize till I looked at her pedigree closer that I had broke the 3rd dam's (Small Loaf) Lord Avie filly in the 80's. She is a nicely bred mare. He was looking for her too.

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

That he'll put a 2 year old through the ring who have soundness issues, but are slight enough they haven't fully festered.

I have not heard of that, but I know the two year old that we bought from him is sound as a dollar and have the xray's to prove it. He doesn't strike me as the kind of horseman to do that. But if an owner tells him to get rid of them, well then he does what they want. He only owns a few horses, a huge majority of the horses at his place are clients.

Thanks for letting me know what was said. I have know him for over 25 years and don't have a bad thing to say.

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

Is he a New Holland seller?

He has taken mares there that he can't get in foal, clients don't want anymore, ect. He also sells riding horses too there, he runs rodeos at his facility too.

New Holland is not a bad place to pick up TB's at. I have bought alot of well bred mares there that no one wants anymore. The next big load of TB's to show up will be the Monday after Delaware Park closes. The slow pokes and the ones that no one wants to pay for through the winter will be there.

[Spotted Pony]

That he'll put a 2 year old through the ring who have soundness issues, but are slight enough they haven't fully festered.

This is not unusual even in the big markets and big name consignors. It is up to a purchaser to decide just what issues they can live with and what they can not. This is why there are prepurchase exams even at auction.

[DickHertz]

This is not unusual even in the big markets and big name consignors. It is up to a purchaser to decide just what issues they can live with and what they can not. This is why there are prepurchase exams even at auction.

Yeah, I know that. But this auction is different, the person in question goes up to the podium and makes a bunch of guarantees that many question.

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

I was at Richie's today and told him what was said here. As for the colt named Oaten, there were 6 bidders on him. The person that ended up with him, turned down $10000 for him after the sale. Obviously someone thought he was worth that. As for his guarantees, he guarantees all his young horses because he stands behind them and is not trying to sell anything less than what it is. At the May sale, he even threw two weeks of free training and board with the purchase.

Richie also said that if anyone needs, wants or has anymore issues with his horses and his sale to please call him directly. He really doesn't appreciate people spewing on the internet when they have no clue and it is all second hand information.

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

Yeah, I know that. But this auction is different, the person in question goes up to the podium and makes a bunch of guarantees that many question.

He said he never got on the podium, did you see this or someone told you? He will answer any questions that the auctioneer asks or sometimes the auctioneer will let him add to what they are saying. He is usually by the podium that is by the exit of the sales ring.

[DickHertz]

I was at Richie's today and told him what was said here. As for the colt named Oaten, there were 6 bidders on him. The person that ended up with him, turned down $10000 for him after the sale. Obviously someone thought he was worth that. As for his guarantees, he guarantees all his young horses because he stands behind them and is not trying to sell anything less than what it is. At the May sale, he even threw two weeks of free training and board with the purchase.

Richie also said that if anyone needs, wants or has anymore issues with his horses and his sale to please call him directly. He really doesn't appreciate people spewing on the internet when they have no clue and it is all second hand information.


Would he rather not know what is being said or know? I just told you what is said at his auctions. I really could care less and I probably won't go to another one. I really don't care if you believe me or not. The bottom line is that I heard several people saying the same thing so it is what it is. I could care less what you think or what he thinks...Nobody "ended up" with the Oaten horse, he was an RNA so I'm not sure what you are talking about in terms of turning down money for a horse they didn't own.

As for the podium thing, I didn't mean to imply that he goes up on the microphone, but he goes next to the podium and tells JD what to say about this and that. All things aside, as someone who witnessed it before I heard the allegations, I thought it looked tacky and cheesy for someone to make all these guarantees...in my experience when someone tries really hard to sell a horse, there is a reason.

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

I have no dog in this fight but he told me the colt was sold. He has no reason to lie to me or about it. Maybe you were one of the bidders and you didn't get what you wanted. Perhaps he was sold after the sale and then someone else wanted him. I know they get sold afterwards, someone approached my husband and wanted to buy the mare he purchased, as he was writing the check to the sales company. The person missed her being sold and really wanted her.

As for the added info given while a horse is in the ring, I don't find that cheesy. In fact JD, has asked Dr Solomon questions while his horses have been sold and he was in the seats. They are just trying to sell them at the best price they can get and anything helps. I am sure if you where selling a horse and the bids got a little slow, you would want them to do something to get it going again. Sometimes there is additional information, such as a sibling winning or the horse just raced ect. and the sales company has not gotten it before the sale.

There were some really nice horses there that went for great bargain prices. Definitely a buyers market right now.

[DickHertz]

I have no dog in this fight.

Yeah, I guess that's why you started the thread and bumped in a half dozen times to promote the auction.

I did not bid on the Wheaton colt as it is my belief, whether right or wrong, that he had a questionable knee. He was a nice looking horse, though.

Have they posted the results of the auction anywhere?

[Equinoxfox]

so tell me. I am in the market for a Riding Horse /Prospect. Would you suggest going to a sell /auction like this or what? I want to find a young one either unstarted or a 2yr old going. NOT looking to race. stictly for show purposes. please advise. Thanks. and calm down it is friday !!!!!!!!!:D

[DickHertz]

There was a horse who was either 3,4, or 5 who was perhaps one of the 10 best looking throughbreds I have ever seen in my life at this auction. I think it was an RNA because it didn't bring the minimum $500 bid.

[Equinoxfox]

Sounds like that is the place to be at . I need to now find out about when Delware Park is closing to be there to see what is for sale and get a jump on it. any suggestions ? or comments?? Thanks Dick..

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

Yeah, I guess that's why you started the thread and bumped in a half dozen times to promote the auction.

I did not bid on the Wheaton colt as it is my belief, whether right or wrong, that he had a questionable knee. He was a nice looking horse, though.

Have they posted the results of the auction anywhere?

Uh, I meant as to that I had nothing to do with the colt. I always post Richies sales here and keep them on the first page as a favor to him.

I am sure if anyone had questions about the knee, they would get it xrayed as anyone would buying a two year old.

The results will probably show up in one of the TB publications. Rich doesn't post them on his site..

[Cherry]

I always post Richies sales here and keep them on the first page as a favor to him.
Here, here, Showponymom--I posted first about the sale held this past April! :yes: :winkgrin: :lol: I just happened to see a blurb about it in The Horse of Delaware Valley.

I went to the April TB sale. I didn't know Rich Miller from Adam but there was a guy who was standing by the outgate who seemed to be advocating for certain horses when they came up for sale--I found out later that was Rich. :yes: I'm not a race horse person, just a horse person and I found the prices in April appallingly low--and that was from a horse person in general perspective. I liked how Rich talked the horse up--the prices were awful low. He was just trying to stimulate interest for the good of everyone, horses included.... ;) No outrageous guarantees but information on the horses backgrounds (breeding, training, etc.).

I had occasion to call him later about some of the horses he had sold that got caught up in the Norcrest seizure. He was forthcoming with information that I requested and offered to help run interference and get the yearlings sold at his sale (as weanlings alongside their mares) registered with the Jockey Club. I didn't even have to prompt him. I don't really know this guy but I truly believe he has the interest of the horses at heart. Thoroughbreds without papers are out of luck whether one intends to race them or sell them as riding horses--people want those papers!!!! Plus papers are the passport to those horses' identities....

People are free to vet the horses he is selling. If they don't have them vetted they have no recourse. There are no guarantees on the horses just like every place else..... ;)

The results will probably show up in one of the TB publications. Rich doesn't post them on his site..
For quite a while he did have the results of the April sale listed on one of the pages of the campground website. :yes:

[omare]

Just curious if any one knew the price for #47 Arch of Gold from the family of Rock Hard Ten.....(any distant family resemblance? ;-))

[DickHertz]

The auction guidelines stated foal papers would be sent within 7 days of cleared check. My check cleared on 10/28/08 - still no papers. This auction is a complete joke.

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

[quote=DickHertz;3607536]Hip #20 was bid up to a phony $8,300 as Rich Miller had someone bidding the horse up against one other bidder so nobody knows what the horse is really worth.quote]

That is funny now that the Horse of the Delaware Valley has done a whole article on the colt and how he sold for $8600 to a gentleman in Reading who took him directly to the track. So much for phony bids.

Dick Hertz, regarding your papers, have you called the sales company?

[KBEquine]

Just curious if any one knew the price for #47 Arch of Gold from the family of Rock Hard Ten.....(any distant family resemblance? ;-))

That horse was an 'out' & not on the sale grounds.

[DickHertz]

[quote=DickHertz;3607536]Hip #20 was bid up to a phony $8,300 as Rich Miller had someone bidding the horse up against one other bidder so nobody knows what the horse is really worth.quote]

That is funny now that the Horse of the Delaware Valley has done a whole article on the colt and how he sold for $8600 to a gentleman in Reading who took him directly to the track. So much for phony bids.

Dick Hertz, regarding your papers, have you called the sales company?

The horse was sold to the boyfriend of Rich Miller's helper (not sure if it's his daughter or what). So yes, it says it was sold for $8,600, but the kid who bought the horse there didn't send him to the racetrack, he may have sold afterward. Sorry you have your blinders on...the winning bidder went directly from the crowd to then leading another horse - I guess one of his helpers is also a horse owner from Reading with enough money to buy a 2 year old for $8,600. Also, they did say "RNA @ $8,600" regardless of what they finally say the horse was sold for.

No wonder they won't post the results...they want to put the auction prices down that they want instead of what really happened. It's the only auction company in North America who won't post their auction resutls 2+ weeks after it's conclusion. Showponymom, why don't you ask "Richie" why the auciton results haven't been posted?

I called...voicemail stating they have an auction on October 26. The auction is a complete f'ing joke.

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

DH, I don't have blinders on, maybe you should read the article in the Horse of Delaware Valley. It has a picture of a older man holding the horse, not a kid. Angelo Limberiou owner of Riveredge Stables purchased him. Perhaps he did buy it after the sale, my husband was approached to sell a mare he just paid for. It happens at all sales. Don't know why the results are not posted but I will call Rich and ask him.

Did you leave a msg on the machine?

[DickHertz]

Did you leave a msg on the machine?

No. I'm taking the filly back on Saturday if those papers don't come before then.