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county
Sep. 10, 2008, 05:20 PM
I notice alot of people on here say their horse is very thin skinned etc. How do you know? Is there some breeds thinner skinned then others? I've skun alot of horses over the years mostly at the rendering plant and while horses are very thin skinned say compared to cattle and they are a PITA to skin especially if their froze or been dead awhile I've never noticed one being any more thin skinned then another. How exactly would one tell if a live horse has thinner skin then normal?
DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"
Sep. 10, 2008, 05:42 PM
"thin skinned" generally means "sensitive." And I have a horse that is "thin skinned." No hard bristled brushes, light on the curry.
It means the same for people as well (though generally, we don't curry people).
LOVE*MY*NAGS
Sep. 10, 2008, 06:05 PM
I refer my OTTB's as being "thin skinned", my chestnut more so than any other! No stiff brushes, bugs really bother him, bug bites turn into a hive/rash, hot sun bothers him, extreme cold bothers him (me too), tends to not grow alot of hair.
And, um, County, you skin horses?
county
Sep. 10, 2008, 06:18 PM
Ya cattle, hogs, and sheep also. Only way to get the hides off them to use.
Sithly
Sep. 10, 2008, 06:22 PM
In my experience, TBs seem to be more "thin-skinned" than other breeds. I don't know that their skin is physically thinner than any other horse, but they definitely seem more delicate. They have a tendency to get halter or blanket rubs way more easily than your average horse, for example.
Reynard Ridge
Sep. 10, 2008, 06:25 PM
I've always assumed "thin-skinned" was idiomatic; not literal.
county
Sep. 10, 2008, 07:52 PM
I did also RR but then I've heard so many mention their horse gets cut easy because its skin is so thin?
Guin
Sep. 10, 2008, 08:01 PM
I've always taken "thin skinned" to mean sensitive - to bugs, rashes, heat, etc. Never thought about the actual measurement of the epidermis! :eek:
Molly Malone
Sep. 10, 2008, 09:49 PM
I've always assumed "thin-skinned" was idiomatic; not literal.
Yes. In much the same way, County could be considered 'thick-skinned'
county
Sep. 10, 2008, 09:50 PM
Meaning?
Beverley
Sep. 10, 2008, 10:06 PM
Likewise, I use the term 'thin skinned' to mean sensitive. My OTTB was, I thought, pretty thin skinned (dancing around on the cross ties during grooming etc) until I had two 'aha' moments. First was- when I attached the cross ties to the higher ring on the halter rather than the nose-level ring- he quit dancing around. Second was- what he really, really hated was the rubber curry. Seemed counterintuitive but when I switched to a round metal curry he thought he was in heaven- went from flinching and moving the other way to leaning into being groomed.'
greysandbays
Sep. 10, 2008, 10:35 PM
If you take a pinch of skin on the chest, on my dad's draft horses, it makes a fairly thick double layer that doesn't roll back and forth over itself very easy. On the old Arab mare I had put down this spring, if you did that, it was a thin little thing, almost like tissue paper, that rolled real easy. Most Arabs seem to have "thinner skin" than most non-hot bloods when you do this, but this mare was was exceptionally so, even for an Arab.
I read once that motorcycle jackets were made of horsehide because it was so abrasive-resistant. I always thought that I sure wouldn't want to skid very far long the pavement in a jacket made of that mare's hide!
That said, the "thin-skinned" mare wasn't physically overly sensitive beyond what I expect of Arabs.
Maybe it's not the skin itself but the tissues under the skin, but there sure is a noticable difference.
Haalter
Sep. 11, 2008, 01:01 AM
I have 2 horses that I call "thin-skinned", both OTTBs. Can't curry/hard brush either one of them without risking life and limb. One practically gets hives if you look at him crosseyed. Both have very fine, soft coats, and even though they are in very good flesh, it seems like there is nothing but that thin skin on parts of the body where the bone is close to the skin. No matter how well their sheets or blankets fit, they get rubs somewhere. Flies drive them both crazy. Super sensitive, although one of the two is kicking quiet to ride. If you use a spur on him, it's hard not to make a rub.
All that aside, however, I think County started this thread as an excuse to announce that he has skinned many horses, for shock value and the ensuing trainwreck ;)
Ibex
Sep. 11, 2008, 01:26 AM
I leased a "thin skinned" TB mare.
Every piece of tack had to be natural fibers and breathe well, or else she would WELT.
Interestingly, as she got fitter (we had her post-maternity leave) it improved. We assumed that it was because her blood circulation was improving as well.
county
Sep. 11, 2008, 02:48 AM
Haalter no doubt thats exactly how someone like you would take it. Did you also know I'm pro slaughter, don't ride with a helmet and have barb wire fences? That should really help bolster your ignorance.
bennet
Sep. 11, 2008, 04:09 AM
Haalter no doubt thats exactly how someone like you would take it. Did you also know I'm pro slaughter, don't ride with a helmet and have barb wire fences? That should really help bolster your ignorance.
Do you live under a bridge as well?
Anawazor
Sep. 11, 2008, 04:50 AM
Haalter no doubt thats exactly how someone like you would take it. Did you also know I'm pro slaughter, don't ride with a helmet and have barb wire fences? That should really help bolster your ignorance.
i love the internet. Can you imagine if people conducted themselves IRL as they conduct themselves on the internet? How many people do you think would acutally have the frikin' cojones to act as consistently disrespectful and walk around being like a social firestarter?
I swear, I'm happiest at the barn on a weekday... alone!
Seriously, county? We get it. We all freakin' get it. You're pro slaughter. Great. Get a bumper sticker and get off your soapbox already.
-end hissy fit.
Alexie
Sep. 11, 2008, 05:44 AM
Is "skun" a real word?
Kaeleer
Sep. 11, 2008, 06:45 AM
Is "skun" a real word?
Yup, you'll find it in the Redneck dictionary.
[County], tell me, when you skin your critters, do you make a necklace out of their teeth, too? And do you hold your knife in yer teeth while you pull the skin off with your bare hands?
Just wondering, cos I heard that's what REAL men do.
Reynard Ridge
Sep. 11, 2008, 07:08 AM
Is "skun" a real word?
I have Australian friends who use it. First time I've ever seen it used in the US, though.
county
Sep. 11, 2008, 07:21 AM
ROTLMAO So tell me do any of you use leather? Where the hell you think it comes from? Ah yes same old COTH ignorance about life to you people its all at the store I forgot. Oh and skun is a very common word used in the slaughter and rendering industries. Of course no one on here uses products from them.
Kaeleer
Sep. 11, 2008, 07:28 AM
ROTLMAO So tell me do any of you use leather? Where the hell you think it comes from? Ah yes same old COTH ignorance about life to you people its all at the store I forgot. Oh and skun is a very common word used in the slaughter and rendering industries. Of course no one on here uses products from them.
[County], whatever do you mean? Not only do I use leather, mine is hand-cured for me by little loin-cloth wearing men with their knives in their teeth and mild speech impediments.
I honestly don't know what you are becoming so defensive about? Unless it's that you are feeling insecure about your curing methods.
So, tell me, do you use coarse salt and then put yours into a darkened cupboard, or do you have some other tricks of the trade you would like to share?
county
Sep. 11, 2008, 07:33 AM
LOL Love it perfect example of the ignorance on this forum about the subject!! Defensdive? Hardly I've haven't laughed this much in a long time. I love the way people on here cannot carry on a conversation on the subject without making it personal.
Kaeleer
Sep. 11, 2008, 07:35 AM
LOL Love it perfect example of the ignorance on this forum about the subject!! Defensdive? Hardly I've haven't laughed this much in a long time. I love the way people on here cannot carry on a conversation on the subject without making it personal.
I'm trying to carry on a conversation, County, I really, really am. I'm trying to find out what your methods are for curing your skins. And, tell me, do you use the hides as well (I'm told they make wonderful hats, especially if you leave the tails on!), or only the skin?
county
Sep. 11, 2008, 07:37 AM
We throw them on a flat rock in the sun to dry then wrap them around the grand kids and give them a raw leg bone to chew on.
AnotherRound
Sep. 11, 2008, 07:39 AM
See? You've made a thread truly about being thin-skinned. As you have found out, its a colloquial expression meaning over-sensitive, and its used for people as well as animals. Hmm. You might be a little 'thin-skinned' about this, yourself, County...:)
Kaeleer
Sep. 11, 2008, 07:40 AM
As long as it's a raw one, County. The cooked ones can splinter and catch in their little throats.
OTOH, there is an argument for that simply being natural selection at work.
county
Sep. 11, 2008, 07:42 AM
I don't see anything that would make one think so unless thats what their looking for? I didn't start with the personal stuff but I can certainly play that game if someones to stupid to do other wise.
Kaeleer
Sep. 11, 2008, 07:44 AM
to stupid to do other wise.
Aw, look, County made a clever play on words! "Stupid" and "wise", see! Did anyone else see it?
Clever boy, County.
county
Sep. 11, 2008, 07:48 AM
Keep talking your making my point better then I ever could.
jse
Sep. 11, 2008, 07:55 AM
Someone's got a lot of time on their hands....
What was your purpose of asking your initial question? You know there are people on this forum that don't agree with your opinions, so what's your point?
Your question wasn't a bad one, but you didn't have to add all the other controversial stuff. IMHO it looks like you were just trying to stir the pot up a bit.
Kaeleer
Sep. 11, 2008, 07:57 AM
Keep talking your making my point better then I ever could.
Aw, County, to be fair, my Jack Russell Terrier could make most of your points better than you ever could.
Alexie
Sep. 11, 2008, 07:58 AM
I notice alot of people on here say their horse is very thin skinned etc. How do you know? Is there some breeds thinner skinned then others? I've skun alot of horses over the years mostly at the rendering plant and while horses are very thin skinned say compared to cattle and they are a PITA to skin especially if their froze or been dead awhile I've never noticed one being any more thin skinned then another. How exactly would one tell if a live horse has thinner skin then normal?
when you inject them, some the needles just slide in nice and easy, others have the hide of a rhino and you have to practically bash the thing in
county
Sep. 11, 2008, 08:01 AM
jse, I added stuff? Care to point out to me where I was the one who started the " adding stuff ".
What was the point of the thread? Just as I asked, are their horses with thicker skins then others I'm not sure how else to word it. Seemed very plain to figure out?
Kaeleer
Sep. 11, 2008, 08:13 AM
County, stop getting side-tracked!
Now, where were we....hats!
Do yours all come in standard sizes or do you make "Small, medium, large and dropped at birth"?
county
Sep. 11, 2008, 08:14 AM
ROTLMAO Hats?
Reynard Ridge
Sep. 11, 2008, 08:26 AM
ROTLMAO So tell me do any of you use leather? Where the hell you think it comes from? Ah yes same old COTH ignorance about life to you people its all at the store I forgot. Oh and skun is a very common word used in the slaughter and rendering industries. Of course no one on here uses products from them.
Faulty logic. I use leather, and know where it comes from. That doesn't mean I should know the lingo of the slaughterhouse. For example, you have probably used mustard or ketchup in your life - off the top of your head, do you know what syneresis means? And if you don't, can I call you ignorant now? It's a word that's very commonly used among people who make ketchup and mustard.
county
Sep. 11, 2008, 08:30 AM
I don't see where I said anyone was ignorant if they didn't know the use of the word skun? I said " same old ignorance from COTH about things come from the store. For some reason there seems to be this shock from people here if someone works in a slaughter plant or rendering plant.
Kaeleer
Sep. 11, 2008, 09:41 AM
I don't see where I said anyone was ignorant if they didn't know the use of the word skun? I said " same old ignorance from COTH about things come from the store. For some reason there seems to be this shock from people here if someone works in a slaughter plant or rendering plant.
Well, see, County, the past tense of "skin" is in fact "skinned". Perhaps "skun" is past imperfect.
But back to our original fascinating conversation!
Yes, hats.
Do you use the tails as hat-bands, or do you kind of drape them over your shoulder ala that 80's pop icon, Nick Kershaw? A kind of modern snood, if you will.
And what do you do with the hoofs? Hood ornaments?
county
Sep. 11, 2008, 09:44 AM
LOL If you ever get serious about the subject let me know as it is your the obvious type trying to pick a fight. No thanks, slaughter and rendering is a very real part of life and the livestock industry. Your questions aren't part of that.
Kaeleer
Sep. 11, 2008, 09:49 AM
Does that mean you don't want to talk about it anymore, County?
Darn!
county
Sep. 11, 2008, 09:56 AM
No it means I don't want to talk to someone whos obviously not interested in the subject but trying to pick a fight with personal type insults and ignorance.
Kaeleer
Sep. 11, 2008, 09:59 AM
Insults? Ignorance? Fights?
County, I'm aghast that you would even suggest such a thing. Here I am, able and willing to discuss a subject so dear to your heart, a subject you are usually GAGGING to discuss and you won't talk!
I just don't get it, I really don't.
county
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:01 AM
Then your either a liar or really stupid. My guess is some of both.
Kaeleer
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:10 AM
I bow down to your inherent integrity and your overwhelming intellectual superiority, as ably demonstrated by your erudite and thoughtful posts on the slaughter industry.
We are not worthy.
Of course, we do not give a shit. But that's a different topic for a different day.
county
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:18 AM
If you don't give a shit you sure have a strange way of showing it. Seems your fascinated by me from the number of posts you made.
Kaeleer
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:22 AM
Fascinated?
Dear County, I'm positively ENTHRALLED!
See, of late, I have discovered the books of a number of American authors who speak with some affection of the people of Tennessee, Kentucky, and the like. Not all the residents, obviously! The normal ones aren't even a blip on their radar!
No, they speak fondly of the ones such as yourself. The ones who live in trailers, have dogs called "Yeller", are married to their cousins and who keep photographs on the sun visors of their trucks of themselves with a dead deer!
See, for a long time, I thought they made those people up, but you have made me believe that they do, in fact, exist!
As a special favour to me, dear County, please can you say "tarnation"? Pretty please?
grayarabpony
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:23 AM
County --
What a stupid thread. Miss your medication?
county
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:25 AM
ROTFLMAO you people are a riot. Not real bright and you must live in a very small world but a riot none the less.
Coup De Des
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:29 AM
Never, ever heard the word "skun" before.. I'm pretty sure it's made up. Syneresis was a very, very good call.
I have Australian friends who use it. First time I've ever seen it used in the US, though.
Faulty logic. I use leather, and know where it comes from. That doesn't mean I should know the lingo of the slaughterhouse. For example, you have probably used mustard or ketchup in your life - off the top of your head, do you know what syneresis means? And if you don't, can I call you ignorant now? It's a word that's very commonly used among people who make ketchup and mustard.
Kaeleer
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:29 AM
ROTFLMAO you people are a riot. Not real bright and you must live in a very small world but a riot none the less.
*sulk*
You didn't say 'tarnation'
My world is miniscule. Did you ever see "Horton Hears a Hoo?" My world is on a daisy in the Hoos world!
You do have movies in your trailer park, right?
county
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:30 AM
Could someone point out where I said anyone was ignorant if they didn't use the word or know what it meant?
county
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:31 AM
Keep talking Kaeleer I love how your making my point.
Kaeleer
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:34 AM
I'm not talking, County, I'm typing.
Those voices in your head must be getting lounder. Would that have something to do with the meds GAP was talking about?
Now, come on, fess up! The hooves are hood ornaments, right? Right above the horns you have attached to your grille?
Coup De Des
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:34 AM
I don't understand how a man in his, what, 50's ? is getting such a kick out of stirring up girls and women on a horse chat forum...
I mean really... It's getting a little old for those of us who have been around here longer than a week or two, but that's the beauty of it... there's always newbies for you to "shock" and "astound"... Are the locals at the pub sick of your stories? Don't you have fences to mend, or calves to birth or sheep to shear you big manly man you.
We Get It OK!
county
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:37 AM
I don't understand how women get a kick out of trying to pick a fight with someone over and over but theres sure alot that seem to enjoy it. I do have to go haul a horse I sold in a bit but I'll be back on tonight so you that like to start things can continue. But no I have no intention of going away I see no reason to. And I do " get it " that some here love to have a feeding frenzy.
Kaeleer
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:41 AM
I don't get why you think I'm picking a fight? I keep inviting you to talk about slaughter in a positive, life-affirming way and you keep refusing.
I mean, what can be more "circle-of-life-ish" than putting hooves on your hood and a hat on your head?
I give up. I just give up. I have a duck who needs her daily dose of anti-itch cream. Best I go give it to her.
Coup De Des
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:45 AM
I have a duck who needs her daily dose of anti-itch cream. Best I go give it to her.
That's so deliciously kinky.
greysandbays
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:49 AM
I'd like to thank county for bringing this up. I've pinched the skins of a lot of horses and noticed what I thought was a big difference. I'd be very interested to know if this was an actual fact or not (but not quite interested enough to go slicing up a horse myself, just to find out).
When somebody who has had reason to skin a horse makes an observation, I'm at going put that info in my mental file instead of getting all horrified that sometime, somewhere, somebody skinned a horse.
Kaeleer
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:50 AM
That's so deliciously kinky.
Thanks. I won't be able to look that duck in the eyes again!
greysandbays
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:55 AM
I don't understand how a man in his, what, 50's ? is getting such a kick out of stirring up girls and women on a horse chat forum...
I don't understand how a bunch of girls and women older than six can be so easily stirred up by so little. Hell, you screech and squeal like somebody dumped a barrel of mice and spiders and snakes on your head over every idea that's doesn't fall in line with the decrees of your horse-worshipping cult. :rolleyes:
gloriginger
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:56 AM
county didn't get enough play on the Miami horse slaughter thread so he started this one. Yes it is about shock value, but the ball can only stay in the air if someone keeps batting it up.
I think it's kind of funny, but I wonder, isn't there a forum somewhere on the great WWW - for the pro slaughter - each you horse after you chop em up with a chainsaw folks that would be a better home for County? He seems like a fish out of water on this forum... maybe it's just me, or maybe that is entirely what it is all about...:(
Coup De Des
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:58 AM
Maybe this ??
http://www.theoutpostmall.com/chat.htm
Mozart
Sep. 11, 2008, 11:13 AM
Thin skinned is literal, per my vet. Some horses, particularly of the hotter blooded ilk (TB's and Arabs, for instance) have thinner skin than their colder blooded cousins (drafts, QH's, older style WB's). He has sliced into a lot of skin for professional reasons as well.
greysandbays
Sep. 11, 2008, 11:15 AM
Who's horrified? I asked some pertinent questions and Cunty won't speak to me because he alleges I'm taking the piss.
The very thought!
No, you were thinking yourself exceptionally humorous in attempting to belittle County's first hand experience by coming up with idiot questions that nobody with more than two brain cells to spark together would think were anything near pertinent to anything but proving you're stupid.
pj
Sep. 11, 2008, 11:23 AM
;) All that aside, however, I think County started this thread as an excuse to announce that he has skinned many horses, for shock value and the ensuing trainwreck
of course he did. must be bored. okay, county, EEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKK!! AWFUL AWFUL!
How could you do that...gotta go throw up!:]
greysandbays
Sep. 11, 2008, 11:29 AM
Thin skinned is literal, per my vet. Some horses, particularly of the hotter blooded ilk (TB's and Arabs, for instance) have thinner skin than their colder blooded cousins (drafts, QH's, older style WB's). He has sliced into a lot of skin for professional reasons as well.
Which brings up something else of interest. Does living skin have different properties than dead skin? Does the rigor after death affect how the tissues relate to each other and what seems like separate layers (ie the "skin" and whatever connects the skin to the body) in life is actually the whole unit that comes off when the horse is skinned.
Does a vet think of "skin" as being only the outermost hair-bearing layer, while a skinner would think of "skin" as being the entire "hide"? I'm seeing how both of them could technically be right on this.
jse
Sep. 11, 2008, 11:49 AM
jse, I added stuff? Care to point out to me where I was the one who started the " adding stuff ".
What was the point of the thread? Just as I asked, are their horses with thicker skins then others I'm not sure how else to word it. Seemed very plain to figure out?
Um learn to read and comprehend. By "adding stuff" I meant you could have just left your question as it was. What is a thin skinned horse? And not included all the other BS about skinning a horse and such. You are purposely here to offend people and I find that rather annoying.
greysandbays
Sep. 11, 2008, 12:34 PM
Um learn to read and comprehend. By "adding stuff" I meant you could have just left your question as it was. What is a thin skinned horse? And not included all the other BS about skinning a horse and such. You are purposely here to offend people and I find that rather annoying.
Nonsense. What the hell good is questioning something when one has good reason to believe differently and does not include information on how one came to that belief. Especially when that reason is a concrete observation and not just "I think/feel/believe" twaddle.
You'd think somebody who has skinned a horse and actually observed the thickness of the skin has a lot more ground to stand on with the definition of "thin skinned" than a bunch of silly drivelers who carry on about how, "Ohhhhhhhh My Pookie is sooooooooooo sensitive EVERYTHING bothers him -- THAT'S the only possible acceptable definition of thin-skinned -- EVERYBODY knows THAT!! How can you be so stupid and offensive, you're disgusting."
Kaeleer
Sep. 11, 2008, 12:35 PM
No, you were thinking yourself exceptionally humorous in attempting to belittle County's first hand experience by coming up with idiot questions that nobody with more than two brain cells to spark together would think were anything near pertinent to anything but proving you're stupid.
Aw, you're right. I should just have come out and asked him to post pictures!
Sithly
Sep. 11, 2008, 01:23 PM
Yes it is about shock value, but the ball can only stay in the air if someone keeps batting it up.
Word. Of course, someone always has to rise to the bait. It's like an unwritten rule of the Internet.
You'd think somebody who has skinned a horse and actually observed the thickness of the skin has a lot more ground to stand on with the definition of "thin skinned" than a bunch of silly drivelers who carry on about how, "Ohhhhhhhh My Pookie is sooooooooooo sensitive EVERYTHING bothers him -- THAT'S the only possible acceptable definition of thin-skinned -- EVERYBODY knows THAT!! How can you be so stupid and offensive, you're disgusting."
Well, if you've never noticed that some horses tend to get rubs and reactions more easily than others, then either you've never paid attention or you have a very small base of comparison. County asked how to tell if your horse was thin-skinned. According to the definition most horsepeople use, that's how you tell. Most of us aren't out there taking core samples.
Regardless, the whole point of this thread is to entertain County on a Thursday morning. See if you can spot the difference between the following questions:
1. How do you tell if a horse is a "hard keeper"?
2. How do you tell if a horse is a "hard keeper"? Because I've seen lots of horses starve, and they all seem to die pretty quickly once you take the food away.
jse
Sep. 11, 2008, 01:44 PM
Nonsense. What the hell good is questioning something when one has good reason to believe differently and does not include information on how one came to that belief. Especially when that reason is a concrete observation and not just "I think/feel/believe" twaddle.
You'd think somebody who has skinned a horse and actually observed the thickness of the skin has a lot more ground to stand on with the definition of "thin skinned" than a bunch of silly drivelers who carry on about how, "Ohhhhhhhh My Pookie is sooooooooooo sensitive EVERYTHING bothers him -- THAT'S the only possible acceptable definition of thin-skinned -- EVERYBODY knows THAT!! How can you be so stupid and offensive, you're disgusting."
Oh stop being ridiculous, can you seriously not read and comprehend what I'm trying to say?
Believe me I know the realities of horse slaughter and of other livestock as well and I won't criticize it. It is what it is. But what is the purpose of asking that question? Maybe just to get a rise out of people that the OP KNOWS would have a fit over. I can guarantee that they didn't ask based on pure curiousity because any good horse person knows that "thin skinned" is merely a description of a horse who is sensitive to a lot of things. It has nothing to do with the biology of a horse and whether they ACTUALLY have thin skin or not. For example, I had a filly who had to wear a ton of blankets in the winter because she was "thin skinned" and got cold very easily. The same description is used for people....if I'm cold natured, I'm thin skinned because I get cold very easily. Or if I'm bothered easily by everything that is said to me, I'm thin skinned.
It's really not that hard to figure out, someone should be able to interpret the term pretty easily.....instead of coming to a bulletin board to stir things up a bit.
Auventera Two
Sep. 11, 2008, 01:52 PM
Wow, you guys are sure having a tea party :lol:
County - If you've skinned horses for slaughter, you probably noticed that some literally have thicker hides than others. I give my own shots and it is more difficult to insert the needle into 2 of my mares, but the Arab has noticeable thinner hide that is easier to insert the needle into.
Same way with my cats. One has very tough skin that is leathery and thick and the other has a very thin delicate skin that is easy to stick the needle into for vaccinations.
I think people use the term "thin skinned" to describe their sensitive, hot, or dramatic horses, but really the hides on different breeds of horses IS different. Horses who truly have thinner skins than others are probably more sensitive because the blood vessels and nerves are closer to the outside world.
I've done a lot of cadaver disections of lower limbs as part of my hoof trimming certification and I've even noticed the hide being harder to cut on some legs than on others.
The skin on your heels is considerably thicker than the skin on your eyelids. Dragging a feather across your eyelid will get a different reaction than dragging a feather across your calloused heel or elbow. I think the term "thin skinned" literally refers to the thickness of the horse's hide and their subsequent ability to deal with outside stimulation. The skin on their flanks is thinner than the skin on their hindquarters, etc.
greysandbays
Sep. 11, 2008, 02:19 PM
But County specifically said that he did NOT notice any big difference. Hence the question.
bird4416
Sep. 11, 2008, 02:26 PM
Maybe he has only "skun" one breed of horse exclusively; such as quarter horses for instance.
DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"
Sep. 11, 2008, 02:28 PM
That is possibly because County doesn't have Arabs or TBs, but QHs. Ted will suck his butt under if a single Japanese beetle lands on him.
Of course I am generalizing, because Kansas at our barn is a QH and he tolerates flies the least well of any horse I know. Maybe he's an appendix - QH innards and TB outtards?
Vesper Sparrow
Sep. 11, 2008, 04:37 PM
My TB mare is very sensitive to flies and, under saddle, even drenched in fly spray and with an ear mask, is still kicking at her belly and complaining. My other TB is stoic in comparison.
These days, I'm still decking her out in her fly gear although the night temps are down to single digits Celcius. When I'm grooming, she flinches whenever I lean against her. Clinicians have also noted how sensitive she is in general.
Mozart
Sep. 11, 2008, 04:43 PM
I wonder, though, if senstivity to flies and being sensitive to rubs etc is the same thing thing as being thin skinned. Rubs to me suggest more that the hair coat is thinner and more easily damaged (although hotter blooded horses tend to have thinnner hair coats as well). Sensitivity to flies...would a thicker skinned horse have less nerve endings than a thin skinned horse? Is that not more a matter of how a horse reacts to stimulus? I have a feeling we might be talking apples and oranges here. Just thinking out loud...(or on a keyboard)
DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"
Sep. 11, 2008, 04:45 PM
I think thin skinned implies that the nerve endings are more accessible. Of course, I guess you could have a thicker skinned horse who has very active nerve responses.
LarkspurCO
Sep. 11, 2008, 05:08 PM
OK.
The term "thin-skinned" is both literal and figurative.
To some horses, the term may apply both literally and figuratively, i.e., the horse's skin is literally thin and the horse also is extremely sensitive.
To some horses, the term may apply only figuratively -- the skin thickness is "normal" but the horse is a pansy. To other horses, the term may apply only literally -- the skin is truly thin, but the horse does not appear to be a pansy. I estimate the former to be more common than the latter.
Then, of course, you might have the odd horse with excessively thick skin, that is not only a pansy but also a wimp and a woos and a fruitcake as well.
I think this summarizes the key aspects of all things skun.
Mozart
Sep. 11, 2008, 05:17 PM
OK.
The term "thin-skinned" is both literal and figurative.
To some horses, the term may apply both literally and figuratively, i.e., the horse's skin is literally thin and the horse also is extremely sensitive.
To some horses, the term may apply only figuratively -- the skin thickness is "normal" but the horse is a pansy. To other horses, the term may apply only literally -- the skin is truly thin, but the horse does not appear to be a pansy. I estimate the former to be more common than the latter.
Then, of course, you might have the odd horse with excessively thick skin, that is not only a pansy but also a wimp and a woos and a fruitcake as well.
I think this summarizes the key aspects of all things skun.
:lol:
I think we have examined this issue from all angles and given it due care and attention. IOW, a lot of us are bored today. :lol:
DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"
Sep. 11, 2008, 05:25 PM
...or some of us are very seriously procrastinating.
mp
Sep. 11, 2008, 05:26 PM
Regardless, the whole point of this thread is to entertain County on a Thursday morning. See if you can spot the difference between the following questions:
1. How do you tell if a horse is a "hard keeper"?
2. How do you tell if a horse is a "hard keeper"? Because I've seen lots of horses starve, and they all seem to die pretty quickly once you take the food away.
:lol: I'm don't know, Sithly. I think that might be a little too subtle for County.
BTW, I used to work in a meat packing plant. It can't say it was my favorite job -- it was messy and LOUD -- but what went on there didn't bother me much. This was before Temple Grandin did her research, but by and large, the operators did their best to move the cattle along their final journey with as little stress on them as possible.
But I don't make a practice of entertaining my vegetarian friends with tales of the slaughterhouse. Nor do I debate dietary choices with them. That would be rude. And pointless.
Jaegermonster
Sep. 11, 2008, 05:56 PM
deleted because i realized that what i saw wasn't a typo, which actually makes it even funnier :)
Coup De Des
Sep. 11, 2008, 09:41 PM
I know exactly what you are talking about... and i love it.
gloriginger
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:04 PM
tell me!!!! Tell me!!!!
county
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:14 PM
Good lord Jr High was busy today!!!!!
So can someone explain just what the " shopck value " is that I'm supposed to be after? Theres none that I can see I asked a question nothing more nothing less. Theres no shock that horses are skun out for hides what in the world do you think they do with them and where does one think leather comes from?
And I skin horses at a slaughter plant? Not once have I ever said that in any way, unless someone thinks a rendering plant slaughters livestock? But by all means continue with the frenzy here it shows what I've said many times. Rednecks are much better class of people then some on here.
Coup De Des
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:26 PM
Harpies Unite!!!!
:)
Jaegermonster
Sep. 11, 2008, 10:41 PM
tell me!!!! Tell me!!!!
sent you a pm
pj
Sep. 12, 2008, 12:08 AM
Good lord Jr High was busy today!!!!!
And I skin horses at a slaughter plant? Not once have I ever said that in any way, unless someone thinks a rendering plant slaughters livestock? But by all means continue with the frenzy here it shows what I've said many times. Rednecks are much better class of people then some on here.
i worked at a rendering plant for a couple of years. don't ever remember a horse coming in but the company got an elephant once. that didn't work out too well and they ended up burying it.
county
Sep. 12, 2008, 12:12 AM
An elephant!!!!! Where the heck did that come from????? We never got anything out of the usual when I've been there, horses, cows, pigs most normal species of livestock. Lots of dogs and cats, and semi loads of feathers. Skinning an elephant would be a job!!!!! Hell I doubt the hide puller would even work on one.
Kaeleer
Sep. 12, 2008, 12:49 AM
Hell I doubt the hide puller would even work on one.
And your hide puller gets to make those sorts of work-related decisions? Sheesh, your Union must be really strong. Out here in Africa, if our employees give us lip like that, we take 'em out back and shoot them.
equinelaw
Sep. 12, 2008, 02:07 AM
And your hide puller gets to make those sorts of work-related decisions? Sheesh, your Union must be really strong. Out here in Africa, if our employees give us lip like that, we take 'em out back and shoot them.
Kaeleer,
I see you are not form the US. As a typo queen myslef, I hesitate to point out the innocent mistakes of others, but some of your typos for County's username are USA slang for a woman's naughty bits.
I am quite sure as an African you had no idea, but you wouldn't want to unitentianally insult the poor man:) I just thought you might need an explaination for all the snorts and giggles becuase of your poor spelling choices.
Dazednconfused
Sep. 12, 2008, 02:21 AM
Kaeleer,
I see you are not form the US. As a typo queen myslef, I hesitate to point out the innocent mistakes of others, but some of your typos for County's username are USA slang for a woman's naughty bits.
I am quite sure as an African you had no idea, but you wouldn't want to unitentianally insult the poor man:) I just thought you might need an explaination for all the snorts and giggles becuase of your poor spelling choices.
Erm Equinelaw. I don't think that they were accidental ;)
Coup De Des
Sep. 12, 2008, 02:23 AM
What typo?
Country?
In australia, Kaeleer, we let the wild kangaroo's have at em. You'd be suprised at how quickly an employee will skun an elephant after getting the smackdown by a mob of rabid roos.
equinelaw
Sep. 12, 2008, 02:29 AM
Oooo. Then I guess it was insensitive of me to point it out so clearly once again. Damn. I was sure it was just an international understanding.
Kaeleer
Sep. 12, 2008, 02:39 AM
Oooo. Then I guess it was insensitive of me to point it out so clearly once again. Damn. I was sure it was just an international understanding.
A case if International Relations gone rad?
I am pleading a Freudian slip. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Coup, I guess we just do things differently in the former colonies.
equinelaw
Sep. 12, 2008, 02:53 AM
Oh good. Thats a relief. I have typed his name as COUNTRY before, but ususally I just call him the bad-luck-troll and laugh when he responds with ROTFL. I have to be very specific about his frenchtoastedness because I do make typos often and I wouldn't want people thinking it was a mistake or something. . . .
Kaeleer
Sep. 12, 2008, 02:58 AM
I discussed this at length last night with my confessor, my therapist, my homeopath, the village witch doctor, my spirit guides and my dog, Rover, and consensus was reached that Cunty is his own very unique breed of "special" and that we should all be grateful to him for challenging us daily and helping us on the road to self-actualisation.
The only voice of dissent was from Rover, who declared that [county] is simply "barking".
jse
Sep. 12, 2008, 07:56 AM
[QUOTE=county;3512356]
So can someone explain just what the " shopck value " is that I'm supposed to be after? Theres none that I can see I asked a question nothing more nothing less. Theres no shock that horses are skun out for hides what in the world do you think they do with them and where does one think leather comes from? [QUOTE]
Plain and simple....couldn't you have just ANSWERED THIS QUESTION YOURSELF???? It doesn't take a lot of figuring it out if you know much about horses.....*knocks knuckles on the side of their head* (actually I think even a KNUCKLE HEAD could figure it out)This is the point I was getting at.
Oh and there's a wonderful search engine out there called Google...it's a big help when we have questions such as these. Try using that next time when you feel the urge to shake things up a bit on a bulletin board....
bird4416
Sep. 12, 2008, 08:14 AM
Good lord Jr High was busy today!!!!!
So can someone explain just what the " shopck value " is that I'm supposed to be after? Theres none that I can see I asked a question nothing more nothing less. Theres no shock that horses are skun out for hides what in the world do you think they do with them and where does one think leather comes from?
And I skin horses at a slaughter plant? Not once have I ever said that in any way, unless someone thinks a rendering plant slaughters livestock? But by all means continue with the frenzy here it shows what I've said many times. Rednecks are much better class of people then some on here.
County, you give us rednecks a bad name.
egontoast
Sep. 12, 2008, 08:26 AM
This is all very interesting but I want to know where I can get one of the hats if that is not contrary to the advertising rules.
county
Sep. 12, 2008, 08:30 AM
Jr High is back in session. Or is it the Snob School?
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