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canyonoak
Sep. 6, 2008, 02:01 PM
www.equinet.de

is reporting that Bernardo Alves and Denis Lynch have somehow settled their drug cases with the FEI, courtesy of super-lawyer Ulf Walz...and no matter how many times I put the German through a translator, it keeps saying that they will start competing again immediately.


There is no mention of their penalty or whatever.

Ahlmann and Tony Hansen have said they will fight the charges to the highest courts=-presumably the CAS and beyond.

Naturally, so far there has been no statement on FEI website, although I can only presume there will be one soon.

Edgar
Sep. 6, 2008, 03:29 PM
06.09.2008 : MEDICATION CASE HEARING IN LAUSANNE

THE judicial hearing by an FEI Tribunal in Lausanne, Switzerland regarding the Denis Lynch Olympic medication case concluded today (Saturday) at approximately 5pm Irish time. Afterwards Denis Lynch said: "I am very happy with the way things went. I was able to put my case fully and I believe I received a fair hearing."

The FEI Tribunal confirmed to Denis Lynch that it will issue a provisional decision on the matter on Monday September 8. This will deal with whether Denis’s suspension will be lifted pending a full judgement on the case, which is expected by the end of September.

Denis Lynch was automatically suspended by the FEI following a positive medication test on his horse ‘Lantinus’ on August 21, 2008, at Hong Kong during the Olympic Games.

Jeito
Sep. 6, 2008, 06:19 PM
This was in a Sao Paulo paper today.


O brasileiro Bernardo Resende Alves está liberado para disputar as competições de hipismo na próxima semana. O atleta teve a suspensão preventiva revogada pela Federação Eqüestre Internacional (FEI), que foi anunciada após o cavalo Chupa Chup 2 ter sido flagrado em exame antidoping durante as Olimpíadas de Pequim.


My Portuguese is rusty, but it seems to be saying Alves is free to compete as of next week.

canyonoak
Sep. 6, 2008, 08:13 PM
Ah.

Now it is a "medication case"...

I guess the ol' hypersensitization has been found not provable.

What is truly disturbing is St.Georg, the German alarmist magazine, with its headline blaring forth about Christian Ahlmann and D-O-P-I-N-G!!!!! and a photo of a hand wrapped around a syringe! full of liquid! and a single drop of...who knows what but it must be DRUGS!!!!!!! leaking out of the needle tip!!!!

Edgar--why are the Germans (ie Haring, Rantzau, etc) so intent on destroying Ahlmann?

siegi b.
Sep. 6, 2008, 08:26 PM
Canyonoak - I think the St. Georg magazine and its editors are trying to find subscribers by tailoring their reporting to resemble that of the Bildzeitung, a publication similar to the Star in the US. Sensationalism sells papers and by God, that's what they're going to give the general public.

It's sad that they have enough exposure to sway public opinion simply by publishing distorted views on reality.

Little people, little class......

egontoast
Sep. 6, 2008, 08:49 PM
discobold, why are you reading the Sao PAulo newspapers.:cool:

Send me an email update!

canyonoak
Sep. 6, 2008, 09:10 PM
<< St. Georg magazine and its editors are trying to find subscribers by tailoring their reporting to resemble that of the Bildzeitung, a publication similar to the Star in the US...>>

Thanks, siegi b!

But it is distressing to read ANY of the German FN statements about Ahlmann: they are insisting he pay ALL his Olympic costs; they are demanding that he be dropped from the team; they always refer to the situation as 'doping' and 'drugs' etc.

Of course, maybe he will turn out to be guilty of hypersensitization...but it does seem an extreme reaction to a rider who has been highly thought ofg for quite a while.

DMK
Sep. 6, 2008, 09:19 PM
"medication" versus "doping" may just be a term of art. I've never seen the FEI or USEF refer to such cases as "doping" - that's pretty much an Olympic term that seems to have been applied to these cases. I guess when in Rome...

dutchmike
Sep. 6, 2008, 10:36 PM
O brasileiro Bernardo Resende Alves está liberado para disputar as competições de hipismo na próxima semana. O atleta teve a suspensão preventiva revogada pela Federação Eqüestre Internacional (FEI), que foi anunciada após o cavalo Chupa Chup 2 ter sido flagrado em exame antidoping durante as Olimpíadas de Pequim.

The Brasilian Bernardo Alves is free to compete next week. The athlete had his preventative suspension revoked by the FEI that was put upon him after the horse chupa chup2 acused positive test during the Olympics

YankeeLawyer
Sep. 7, 2008, 12:28 AM
"medication" versus "doping" may just be a term of art. I've never seen the FEI or USEF refer to such cases as "doping" - that's pretty much an Olympic term that seems to have been applied to these cases. I guess when in Rome...

The medication/drug cases in sports generally are referred to as "doping cases," and the rules against use of these substance "anti-doping" regulations, so I don't think anyone is picking on the riders in particular through the use of these terms. I do think it is unfortunate that the terms are thrown around regardless of whether you are using Equi-block or shooting a horse up with steroids or the like, but that is the way the terms are used.

Also, people don't understand that the FEI rules are much more strict than those imposed on any other athletes, so statements such as that in COTH this week pointing out that there were more drug positives in the equestrian disciplines than in all other sports combined at the Olympics -- without any explanation of the different standards -- are not particularly helpful or fair to the sport. The fact that the FEI regs are more strict does not make an infringement of the rules any less of a violation, but comparing FEI cases with others is, in some instances at least, apples and oranges.

canyonoak
Sep. 7, 2008, 11:58 AM
OK..the cases are NOT settled.

The FEI has failed to send the relevant lab tests etc to super-lawyer Ulf Walz, and therefore Walz needs more time to mount a defense.

In the meantime, the suspension has been lifted for the two riders and they may compete.

Somewhere down the line, some kind of penalty WILL be assessed ,but no one knows what or when.

Tony Hansen cannot afford to do this because Im fairly sure it involves accepting a mild penalty--but any penalty will meanthe forfeit of the Norwegian team bronze medal.

Ahlmann is fighting for his professional life and career and reputation, so he and Hansen will have hearings on Sept. 26.

DMK
Sep. 7, 2008, 02:41 PM
The medication/drug cases in sports generally are referred to as "doping cases," and the rules against use of these substance "anti-doping" regulations, so I don't think anyone is picking on the riders in particular through the use of these terms. I do think it is unfortunate that the terms are thrown around regardless of whether you are using Equi-block or shooting a horse up with steroids or the like, but that is the way the terms are used.

Isn't that just a longer way of saying it's a term of art? :D

YankeeLawyer
Sep. 7, 2008, 02:44 PM
Isn't that just a longer way of saying it's a term of art? :D

Not exactly, no. And it is not an Olympic term. It is more of a WADA term, applying to sports generally, Olympic or not.

DMK
Sep. 7, 2008, 03:05 PM
Oops, I got confused by all the times the IOC actually used the term Anti-doping in formal communication. My bad!

canyonoak
Sep. 7, 2008, 06:21 PM
a small puzzle solved...

Rantzau, who is one of the heads of the German FN and has been extremely vocal and scathing about Ahlmann...is also a member of the FEI Drug/Doping Committee.

On another note, the IOC Media head has publically rebuked Princess Haya, saying that horse sport is absolutely going to be in 2012 Olympics; that Haya has no business giving interviews questioning that validity; and that dragging personal feelings about dressage, etc., into any comments is not part of her job description as head of FEI.

I think Im finally tired of the Olympics.

Mozart
Sep. 7, 2008, 06:31 PM
I believe Alves and Lynch have stated the culprit was the Equiblock and Hansen has fingered an anti chew product...has Ahlmann ever spoken of a a potential contaminant source? Just curious.

canyonoak
Sep. 7, 2008, 07:31 PM
Bernardo Alves, Denis Lynch and Christian Ahlmann all say they used Equi-Block in the low-quality formula on their horses' backs.

Tony Hansen had no idea how capsaicin got into his horse's system and then discovered that the anti-chew spray they have been using for some time does contain capsaicin.

Pessoa has been very quiet about how the capsaicin derivative, nonivamide, might have turned up in his horse's tests.