80 Horses Seized, Immediate Assistance Needed [Archive]

Marli

Aug. 31, 2008, 02:51 PM

Posting for Another Chance 4 Horses Rescue, Pa.

Unfortunately, at the moment no detailed information can be given out due to this being a seizure and literally only ending late last evening when the final two horses were off the property. Organization is still happening.

All horses have been removed and triaged to undisclosed rescue and foster locations. There is a great need for supplies of all kinds. The next 72 hrs. are critical for many and as details can be provided they will be. Please, if you can find it in your heart to offer a pledge of monetary assistance, wormers, blankets, first cutting hay, medical supplies (betadine, medicated shampoos, antibiotic ointments, ringworm/rainrot solutions, etc.)

http://www.ac4h.com/SSeizure80Horses.htm

Please watch for more details to come. No further info can be released at this time. Thank you.

GoForAGallop

Aug. 31, 2008, 03:02 PM

Oh gosh. I just cleaned my barn and I'll be sending some blankies over...

Can't wait to here more information on them, 'cause (-gulp-) I have an empty stall if they're close enough.

onthebit12000

Aug. 31, 2008, 05:41 PM

Marli...does this have anything to do with the NY TB's?

Gail

Evalee Hunter

Aug. 31, 2008, 05:46 PM

Your link does not work for me.

7HL

Aug. 31, 2008, 06:02 PM

Why would you expect anyone to send funds without any info???....

from your link:

Unfortunately, at the moment no detailed information can be given out due to this being a seizure and literally only ending late last evening when the final two horses were off the property

You don't have to give details, but how about pictures of the horses?

CHorseFarm

Aug. 31, 2008, 06:43 PM

If it is a sate seizure you may not get details until it goes to court.
From my experience, after a seizure MANPOWER (or woman power, whatever) is what is needed. People to clean stalls, water and feed. However, in my experience, you cannot depend on volunteers. Yeah, the first week - volunteers are thick - then...none...rumors of strangles, etc, keep peeps from coming...
I hope to hell this seizure has enough people to support the care of the horses.

philosoraptor

Aug. 31, 2008, 06:52 PM

The linked page said this was a SPCA seizure. Which SPCA? Is it in PA? Can donations also be sent direct to the SPCA handling this?

AC4H

Aug. 31, 2008, 10:32 PM

May - Yes that is why we said we would accept pledges. The SPCA is 501c(3) and will be taking donations directly. That info should be available on Tuesday. They are exhausted and everything with any detail obviously has to be approved.

JanWeber

Aug. 31, 2008, 10:32 PM

AC4H

Aug. 31, 2008, 10:33 PM

That is for sure Cheryl! Been there done that!

7HL

Aug. 31, 2008, 11:18 PM

7HL - any COTHer who would send money with no details would do it because we've worked with Marli in the past on rescues. I can tell you that she held her hands over my eyes to keep me from seeing the horror in the killpen at a meat dealers when I went up to NY to pick up a rescue (remember April?) for transport to foster care. If she says no details can be given right now and the horses need help - I'll take it on faith.

This was called a seizure, not a rescue from a kill pen.

There are few differing views of slaughter and meat dealers on this board. Some my not wish to give , donate for something they don't support.

She is soliciting money as well as supplies, a few details wouldn't hurt.

Marli

Aug. 31, 2008, 11:35 PM

7HL-

AC4H is a registered 501 (c)(3) non-profit. The seizure was done by an SPCA local to the location. It was a HUGE undertaking. Because of the number of horses seized there is a great need for supplies/donations of any kind- however since it was just completed last night and all the volunteers are exhausted as well as caring for a great number of horses. Christy/AC4H stepped up to 'preliminarily' get the word out in the hopes that the necessary support that will be needed can be found. Due to this being an open investigation specific details cannot be released. At the present time the focus and priority is to ensure all the horses get what they need, this is for the horses.

More information will be forthcoming once AC4H meets with the SPCA and other officials. Please try to understand.

myheartsezyes

Aug. 31, 2008, 11:37 PM

This was called a seizure, not a rescue from a kill pen.

There are few differing views of slaughter and meat dealers on this board. Some my not wish to give , donate for something they don't support.

She is soliciting money as well as supplies, a few details wouldn't hurt.
What is it that you do not understand here? It is a state seizure and they are not allowed to give the details as yet per spca. If they do they could compromise the case? I know Marli, Lisa and Has helped me place many ottb throughbreds. I trust her 100 percent. Be patient the details will come.

JanWeber

Sep. 1, 2008, 10:52 AM

7HL - YOU don't have to contribute. Nice that you want to protect the interests of others on this board, but we're all fine, thank you. Many, many of us have worked with Marli to save horses who were in horrific circumstances and trust her if she says help is needed. Why, exactly, do you care?

chaltagor

Sep. 1, 2008, 11:42 AM

Jan, your answer is right here:

There are few differing views of slaughter and meat dealers on this board. Some my not wish to give , donate for something they don't support.

Is Chucky a meat dealer? Or a horse broker? Care to enlighten us, 7HL? I'd like to know, as I didn't think he worked with shipping horses to slaughter, but instead worked the auctions buying and selling.

There's always someone who wants to badmouth ac4h for helping Chucky's horses find a wider market INSTEAD of the the auction merry-go-round; looks like 7HL is the one here? Or am I wrong about you 7HL, I'd love to be wrong.

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Sep. 1, 2008, 11:59 AM

Marli - you and Jan and others beat me to it - AC4H is indeed a legit 501(c)3. Sometimes situations happen fast, and you can't give out details on a public board for legal reasons.

And Marli also has a sterling rep on this board for her rescue efforts.

I'm sending in my dribble.

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Sep. 1, 2008, 12:00 PM

Okay - went to the site and am confused - should we donate to AC4H or is there another site set aside for this? Sorry, I am clueless today!

JanWeber

Sep. 1, 2008, 12:30 PM

I'm calling around to find blankets and first aid supplies from local horsepeople. Anyone in Central NJ who has something to contribute, please PM me - can be dropped off at my barn in Sergeantsville (south of Flemington) or I can pick up if not too far. I plan to make a trip down to AC4H on Thursday with supplies and to offer what help I can. UPDATED TO ADD: Supplies will need to go to the SPCA, not AC4H. As soon as I have an address, I'll confirm a day for my trip out there.

myheartsezyes

Sep. 1, 2008, 12:43 PM

JanWeber

Sep. 1, 2008, 03:06 PM

Let's not forget the purpose of this thread, folks. It's not a debate about rescues or slaughter - it is a call for help for 80 severely neglected horses. Another Chance for Horses has taken a leadership role by partnering with SPCA to move these compromised horses to a location where they can be evaluated and hopefully, rehabilitated. If you can, just help. Another Chance for Horses website (I think) lists what's needed and how you can help.

Nezzy

Sep. 1, 2008, 04:27 PM

i have friends looking for a horse and i sent them the link and told them what is going on. maybe they will adopt on of the horses.

TwoArabs

Sep. 1, 2008, 04:35 PM

yikes with the hurricane in the south and now this, I'll send what I can and then go hug my horses.

JanWeber

Sep. 1, 2008, 08:12 PM

bump

7HL

Sep. 1, 2008, 09:09 PM

Jan, your answer is right here:

Is Chucky a meat dealer? Or a horse broker? Care to enlighten us, 7HL? I'd like to know, as I didn't think he worked with shipping horses to slaughter, but instead worked the auctions buying and selling.

There's always someone who wants to badmouth ac4h for helping Chucky's horses find a wider market INSTEAD of the the auction merry-go-round; looks like 7HL is the one here? Or am I wrong about you 7HL, I'd love to be wrong.

Wow, 7HL you are quiet now?? I would love to be enlightened as well, you care to share your views?

First let me say I have no idea who Chucky is. I am not a meat dealer or broker. I do not however, oppose slaughter for any reason. I believe those that caused it to stop are in part responsible for the over population and neglect in horses.

I don't send my money or my support to someone that just holds their hand out and is unwilling to supply any details.

If other wish to spend their money to this cause the go for it. I find it ironic that someone can't sell something on here, but the someone can ask for money without any substance or information behind it.

MoJo

Sep. 1, 2008, 09:28 PM

http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=96973&page=18 post #358

large seizure in steuben county NY. :(

media story also. done by spca

7HL

Sep. 1, 2008, 09:36 PM

http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=96973&page=18 post #358

large seizure in steuben county NY. :(

media story also. done by spca

From that thread:

Originally Posted by rigoletto
Every horse at Norcrest Farm has been seized be the Steuben County SPCA in the past two days. They were all emaciated. They've all gone to foster homes. It was a bad scene. There was a story on the local news up there tonight and someone sent it to me. The farm was not named but a friend was helping and has filled me in.

Sounds like all horses are being taken care of. So why a request for funds from this group? Someone needs to get their story straight.

Laurierace

Sep. 1, 2008, 10:03 PM

Wow I used to train for these people years ago. Sad to see they have sunk so low.

Liberty

Sep. 1, 2008, 10:08 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by rigoletto
Every horse at [edit] Farm has been seized be the Steuben County SPCA in the past two days.

Is that the same [edit] that posts on COTH? :confused:

TrueColours

Sep. 1, 2008, 10:11 PM

Is that the same [edit] that posts on COTH?

Yes ... :(

Also see:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21937

and:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21709

rigoletto

Sep. 1, 2008, 10:41 PM

From that thread:

Sounds like all horses are being taken care of. So why a request for funds from this group? Someone needs to get their story straight.

Most groups that work with foster homes try to reimburse the people caring for the horses for their expenses. With a seizure of this size, the expenses are bound to be huge. Do you think a small organization like the Steuben County SPCA has the funds available for something of this magnitude? If you don't want to help, then don't but why be so negative about helping horses in need?

Liberty

Sep. 1, 2008, 10:52 PM

Yes ... :(

Also see:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21937

and:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21709

Which brought me to this thread:
http://chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=161483

Holy smokes - how awful! :(

Silly Mommy

Sep. 1, 2008, 11:00 PM

I have been so out of the loop!!!

Can someone intimately involved (with the good guys;)) please PM me. I am not far away and am willing to do what I can.

Dudeseternalmister

Sep. 1, 2008, 11:12 PM

I know who this person is and I use to work for her and had to stop b/c of the conditions..........good for the horses!!!!!

summerhorse

Sep. 1, 2008, 11:16 PM

Can anyone tell me the status of this horse?
http://www.pedigreequery.com/dunsinyne
by PM if necessary. Thanks!

I have some rain rot stuff to send when we get the address.

myheartsezyes

Sep. 1, 2008, 11:24 PM

Yes ... :(

Also see:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21937

and:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21709omg is this Gerry? What happened? I can't beleive this, she took such good care of her horses.

myheartsezyes

Sep. 1, 2008, 11:26 PM

Most groups that work with foster homes try to reimburse the people caring for the horses for their expenses. With a seizure of this size, the expenses are bound to be huge. Do you think a small organization like the Steuben County SPCA has the funds available for something of this magnitude? If you don't want to help, then don't but why be so negative about helping horses in need?
Yes please if you don't want to help move on to a different thread.

Katie-Nicole

Sep. 1, 2008, 11:32 PM

OMG... I'm just heartsick over this. I gave Gerry a Buckpasser mare a few years back. Is there anyone I could contact to see if my mare was part of this group?

Savoy 8

Sep. 2, 2008, 12:33 AM

I just received a e-mail concerning this seizure! How great they are FINALLY out of there.... So sad it had to come to this, but so thankful that most will make it.... and that this person has been shut down!

My stallion did make it home, and though he is thin he is nothing like my mares.... I pray everyone can find the mares they are looking for and that they make it home, to the home they deserve!

TrueColours

Sep. 2, 2008, 06:48 AM

Small news article on the seizure ...

http://www.wetmtv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=ace4a889-2d13-4571-b44a-9dcb2009d969

Moderator 1

Sep. 2, 2008, 09:45 AM

Please avoid further discussion of the specifics of this case and the individuals involved until more information is made publicly available from an official source.

Both organizations involved in this seizure are 501(c)3, which, with our approval, satisfies the requirements for a donation request.

Thanks,
Mod 1

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Sep. 2, 2008, 10:14 AM

And, just to help me out - I really am clueless today - where to send the dribble?

Marli

Sep. 2, 2008, 10:39 AM

Thank you Moderator 1.

I would respectfully ask that this topic stay on course- as the original message is specifically about the need for supplies/pledges of donations for the care of seized horses and not to be painful speculation about the location/owner, etc. That serves no purpose on this discussion. This is about the horses and only the horses.

Thank you.

7HL

Sep. 2, 2008, 10:51 AM

NCHorseChica

Sep. 2, 2008, 10:51 AM

I found my answer, no need to further it. damn shame.

Marli

Sep. 2, 2008, 11:03 AM

A few questions, they only have to do with whether one might choose to support this. They aren't about anything that would hinder prosecution of any case.

Where and who is keeping the horses (general, not specific)? It was mentioned they are already in some foster care.

If the SPCA is controlling this seizure, why can't we have their name, to send donations to them directly?

7HL-

AC4H is waiting word TODAY from the SPCA that did the seizure. Again, specific details about the seizure were not released to anyone, only the need for assistance by way of *pledged donations/in kind goods for the horses. I hope that you can understand that the SPCA is very busy at this time and as soon as more information is provided it will be updated here to include:

Exactly where to send direct donations for this seizure.

Thank you.

Definition of Pledge from the Nonprofits Assistance Fund:
*Pledge: A formal commitment to make a contribution of a specific amount.

7HL

Sep. 2, 2008, 11:17 AM

the need for assistance by way of *pledged donations/in kind goods for the horses....SPCA is very busy at this time and as soon as more information is provided it will be updated here to include:

Exactly where to send direct donations for this seizure.

So if I want to send my donation to the SPCA, which one is it? You would not be compromising anything by giving us their name. I am sure that they wouldn't refuse donations.

MistyBlue

Sep. 2, 2008, 11:19 AM

Technically wouldn;'t it the the SPCA that covers that area? Not a tough thing to find via 3 minutes of googling.

7HL

Sep. 2, 2008, 11:40 AM

Technically wouldn;'t it the the SPCA that covers that area? Not a tough thing to find via 3 minutes of googling.

Possibly, but would that be the SPCA near Another Chance 4 Horses Rescue, Pa? If so, they haven't made requests, I happen to be on their mailing list and have been to their site, no mention of a horse seizure. Or is it the SPCA where the seizure took place? It doesn't compromise anything to give out the name of the SPCA. My personal opinion that is the problem with donations, charities etc., to many people want to handle the cash.

This whole thread started with immediate assistance needed. Then said wait, I don't have all the info and I'll get it to you sometime.

Savoy 8

Sep. 2, 2008, 11:46 AM

OK I have kept fairly quiet while viewing this thread BUT... 7HL is really starting to tick me off! Why don't you just shut up, if its that big of a deal then no one want's your money... you are just plain irritating...

I question why this person just won't let up! Maybe they are trying to find out information for someone? Why do you need to know where the horses are? When the SPCA rescues fighting dogs they don't tell anyone where they are located! for fear of them being stolen... Just my opinion, I wouldn't let anyone know the exact location of these horses till this goes to court!

Cherry

Sep. 2, 2008, 11:47 AM

This whole thread started with immediate assistance needed. Then said wait, I don't have all the info and I'll get it to you sometime.
Well, what does that mean to you???? To me it means that we have to wait to send a donation until we get more information!!!!! Why are being so obtuse about this???? :confused:

I question why this person just won't let up!
Yes, he's like a dog with a bone and by giving him air time I'm afraid we are just encouraging him.... ;) :lol: He's making this about him rather than the horses.... I guess we'll have to close every single thread about this seizure because of it.... :(

7HL

Sep. 2, 2008, 11:53 AM

A Splash of Color

Sep. 2, 2008, 11:59 AM

Ahhhh . . . The joys of the "Ignore" feature.

MistyBlue

Sep. 2, 2008, 12:03 PM

If you've located both SPCAs...the one near the seizure location and the one near the rescue...in 1/10 the time it's taken to repost the same question ad nauseum on these threads you could have called both and simply asked, "Is this the SPCA that just seized 80 TBs and needs more donations?" The SPCA will answer you.
There isn't a consipiracy happening on these threads...the SPCA involved *just* took in a huge amount of very emaciated horses...not somewhat skinny ones, emaciated ones. Forgive them a bit for not updating their website and sending out mass mailings to their lists in a manner you find timely.
Log off the computer, pick up the phone and make a phone call to get your answer. The SPCA involved will make a release to the media and then it *can* be printed on here as soon as that happens. The mods have mentioned often enough that details and names can NOT be posted without backup...as of right now due to the busy nature of this seizure the SPCA involved has not been able to get the news to the media and the media mistakenly forgot to print the location of that SOCA in the priginal story. So for right now it can't be printed on COTH without back up. No conspiracy, COTH rules. :confused:

Marli

Sep. 2, 2008, 12:04 PM

7HL- Would like to thank you for your persistance as phone calls were made to the SPCA involved and they have now granted permission to post their website information which includes ways to donate [there are two Finger Lakes SPCA's and this is the correct one]

The SPCA that did this seizure is the Finger Lakes SPCA. Here is their website:

http://www.fingerlakesspca.org/

Direct link to donate to the Finger Lakes SPCA (secure site for donating)

http://partners.guidestar.org/controller/searchResults.gs?action_donateReport=1&partner=networkforgood&ein=16-0772023

You may want to notate your donation 'horse seizure'.

Thanks to all for your patience.

ASB Stars

Sep. 2, 2008, 12:05 PM

As far as no one wanting my money, I doubt that. If the SPCA is really in need of help they will except all donations. Just what SPCA is it?

Well, they might "except" yours...most people, they just "accept"... :lol:

At least he has brought a small bit of levity to a devastating situation. :cry:

MistyBlue

Sep. 2, 2008, 12:10 PM

Was just going to post that 35 seconds and one phone call and I was easily able to verify the correct SPCA...Marli has now printed it too in the same 35 second time span.
It wasn't that hard to do 7HL...I'm already paypalling a donation over...hope you're doing the same. Hope yours matches mine after all this hoopla conspiracy theory when everyone was just following COTH rules and the info was so very easily found without 20 posts on it...and a lot less time. :D

7HL

Sep. 2, 2008, 12:24 PM

Thank You!

I was on the phone with them while you were posting. They did say they were getting numerous calls. They did request that donations be made though them as well.

Thanks again!!

7HL- Would like to thank you for your persistance as phone calls were made to the SPCA involved and they have now granted permission to post their website information which includes ways to donate [there are two Finger Lakes SPCA's and this is the correct one]

The SPCA that did this seizure is the Finger Lakes SPCA. Here is their website:

http://www.fingerlakesspca.org/

Direct link to donate to the Finger Lakes SPCA (secure site for donating)

http://partners.guidestar.org/controller/searchResults.gs?action_donateReport=1&partner=networkforgood&ein=16-0772023

You may want to notate your donation 'horse seizure'.

Thanks to all for your patience.

Simkie

Sep. 2, 2008, 12:30 PM

OMG. This person bought a mare I was super interested in from the North Hampton Fair several years ago. I wonder where Girl Gone Wild (http://www.pedigreequery.com/girl+gone+wild) wound up..

myheartsezyes

Sep. 2, 2008, 12:41 PM

cowgirljenn

Sep. 2, 2008, 01:16 PM

Just an FYI - as someone who is involved with a lot of neglect cases/seizures, I know we don't give out much info on pending court cases. I have seen it compromise cases in the past, and I don't want to be the one to damage a case. We do, though, give out our name, number of horses, and a general statement on what's being done for them if asked. Unfortunately there's a fine line to walk.

While I can't donate at this time, I do wish the SPCA the best of luck. I cannot imagine being involved in a seizure with 80 horses. We did one with somewhere around 30 horses once, and it was very time-consuming and expensive.

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Sep. 2, 2008, 01:54 PM

Okay, thanks for the link - my dribble is in.

FatPalomino

Sep. 2, 2008, 04:21 PM

Where and who is keeping the horses (general, not specific)? It was mentioned they are already in some foster care.

Do a search on the Warren TB's that were saved by Tranquility Farm. Those horses nearly lost their life because someone didn't trust the experienced rescues involved, and contacted the person keeping the horses directly, before the horses could be safely moved from the property. Luckily, Tranquility Farm and everyone involved was able to save all 46 horses.

JanWeber

Sep. 3, 2008, 06:03 AM

bump

Marli

Sep. 3, 2008, 09:19 AM

Posting for AC4H-

Here is what has been pledged thus far through coordination efforts (thank you!!):

AC4H started with the first donation of $100.00
Pledges: Sandra $200.00, Rachael dollar amount unknown, Chris 80 Tubes of Ivemectin, Dana $50.00, Hilary $500.00 pledge towards medical bills, 6 normal geldings covered at 100%, Anne $50.00.
Also working on some hay and drop locations - hopefully that information will be available today. 100 bales of hay donated from friend of Jan W.

At this time donations can be made through this website: please mark it "8-08 Large Seizure": - http://www.fingerlakesspca.org/ (http://www.fingerlakesspca.org/)

We hope to have additional information/details out as soon as it is available. Again thank you so very much for your assistance.
Christy Sheidy, Co-founder
Another Chance 4 Horses, Inc.
www.ac4h.com (http://www.ac4h.com/) or call 610-621-5290
donation options: http://www.ac4h.com/dpoptions.htm (http://www.ac4h.com/dpoptions.htm)
Shop to donate - help horses: http://www.ac4h.com/Fundraising.htm (http://www.ac4h.com/Fundraising.htm)

soccermom711

Sep. 3, 2008, 09:40 AM

Gerry picked up a mare from us in May. I last spoke with her in July. I now cannot reach her and just stumbled across the information about her horses being seized. Obviously, we're very concerned about our mare.

I've never been in this situation before. Any ideas or suggestions as to how best to locate this mare would be appreciated. I left a message with the SPCA this morning and am awaiting a response.

This mare was being "leased" from us but we did supply her with the papers. Her name is WeWeC and she is a bay with a white blaze and a bad right knee. I do have pictures. I really hope she is OK......we could pick her up this weekend........I have a bad feeling about this.

Thanks in advance for your help.

MistyBlue

Sep. 3, 2008, 09:44 AM

The Fingerlakes SPCA would probably have an idea...although I don't know if they've identified each and every horse yet with that many. Seems she had leases, boarders and her own.
Some of the folks on this thread will probably have a good idea on how to find your horse. Best of luck finding her...best wishes that she's healthy.

Laurierace

Sep. 3, 2008, 07:02 PM

http://www.fingerlakesspca.org/Press%20Release%20090308.htm

Laurierace

Sep. 3, 2008, 07:03 PM

FatPalomino

Sep. 3, 2008, 09:07 PM

Real quick, how did you guys find the name of the person the horses were seized from? I didn't see it on the press release? I had several friends in the area back when I lived on the East!

Laurierace

Sep. 3, 2008, 09:13 PM

It hasn't been released yet as charges are pending. Technically no one is supposed to know who it is yet so either you need to read between the lines and figure it out or wait until they release it.

lolalola

Sep. 3, 2008, 10:28 PM

She also happens to be someone who posted about her farm on various forums.

doublete

Sep. 3, 2008, 10:33 PM

And unfortunately, if the papers are in the hands of the person you leased to shame on you. I always held my horses papers. Copies were supplied, but originals BIG NO NO.

Without papers there is no way to prove ownership. The Jockey club recognizes the horse owner as the person with the foal papers, unless a particularly good bill of sale is present between the person that still holds the papers and the person claiming ownership.

And PLEASE everyone that is wondering about this and that horse... Realize that with that many horses seized, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that the SPCA can identify them all right now. They are working on their case, so id'ing the horses is the least of their concerns right this second. If you legitimately own a horse, you'll get a phone call from the SPCA. If you gave the horse to the person involved, unfortunately there is nothing that can be done to get the horse back. (unless the horse is eventually adopted out)

Just my two cents.

JanWeber

Sep. 4, 2008, 08:10 AM

Bumping for help for these horses. They're all in foster care and the organization that placed them is in dire need of cash, blankets, first aid supplies, feed, and hay to offset the costs to be borne by the caregivers. Since these horses were in imminent danger of dying when seized, several people stepped up to take more than one horse (in some cases, many more) and could use our help.

soccermom711

Sep. 4, 2008, 09:53 AM

And unfortunately, if the papers are in the hands of the person you leased to shame on you. I always held my horses papers. Copies were supplied, but originals BIG NO NO.

Nice. I appreciate the input, however the reason we gave her the papers were because she had good references, and if she had wanted to give her a good, forever home, that would have been OK with us. Now that we know that the exact opposite came to be true (and we weren't the only ones duped), we'll do everything in our power to bring her home. I promise you, with the documentation we do have, if that horse is still alive, we'll get her. Not that I anticipate people fighting over her -- she'll never be sound for riding again -- but we loved her and cared for her and will continue to do so.

I have been diligently contacting everyone I can think of and sending out very good, recent pictures of her. If she's out there, she will be found.

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Sep. 4, 2008, 10:55 AM

Not sure if I sent the donation to the right place, but they'll know what it was for. And bumping!!!

greygirls

Sep. 4, 2008, 11:24 AM

For anyone who wants to know the farm and owners, go to Fugly. It's today's post.

soccermom711

Sep. 4, 2008, 11:27 AM

What is fugly and how do you get there? :)

greygirls

Sep. 4, 2008, 12:03 PM

Just do a search on "fugly", the site will come up. There are a few photos as well.

Good luck finding your mare.

EquineLVR

Sep. 4, 2008, 12:06 PM

Those poor horses - they look horrific.. I will be sending my donation as well.

Please keep us posted on their condition and recovery..

Jingling for them all...

I have now donated.. I hope it helps.

classicsporthorses

Sep. 4, 2008, 12:08 PM

WOW, that is all I can say. I know it hit our area papers today (Ithaca Journal) and has been on the news too. The Ithaca Journal is a Ganett paper so are a few others so it's plastered around here this part of NYS.

I know for us, we do extensive background checks on folks, we have called animal control (to see if they have had charges against them), looked up their vets through the State Department of Education to see their standing and so forth before the horse has ever left our farm.

I had one woman, it was not even my horse we were finding a home for but the filly was on my farm, who lied about her vet, I did some checking and the vet was not even licensed in NYS (and was practicing!). You would not believe the stories I have been told by some People and when I confront them that they are lying (through the checks we do) then they get mad at me. Well as far as I am concerned they can kiss my you know what.

Last but not least we ALWAYS transport the horse and my husband knows that if he has the hair stand up on the back of his neck, he does not even unload the horse, just turns around and comes back home with it.

This farm is not located that far from us. I wish we could take a few in to foster but we are full. I will however send along some funds to help. Having rescued a few horses in my day from deplorable conditions, it can be a large proces for recovery.

My heart goes out to those owners who entrusted their horse to this person. We have a woman less than 10 miles from us who is hoarding horses, including stallions and other animals and the town and animal control are doing NOTHING.

summerhorse

Sep. 4, 2008, 12:33 PM

http://fuglyhorseoftheday.blogspot.com/

Laurierace

Sep. 4, 2008, 12:41 PM

Looks like they are naming names finally.

http://www.eveningtribune.com/community/x802004825/Largest-horse-seizure-in-Finger-Lakes-SPCA-history

soccermom711

Sep. 4, 2008, 01:22 PM

The article makes it sound like the horses will be returned in the near future. I just spoke with the SPCA and they make it sound like it is an indefinite time frame. As of yet, they have been unable to provide any tattoo information, even on horses that had to be euthanized. They sound completely overwhelmed. Obviously, I want my mare back asap. You'd think the SPCA would have the same goal, because, as noted, horse care is not cheap. I'd like to take over the care and feeding of my horse for them. I simply could not get any sense of urgency from them -- I felt like I was asking too much to at least be notified if my mare had indeed survived.

We did finally get in touch with the farm owner today who claimed to have seen our mare loaded on an SPCA trailer. Whether that is true or not, remains to be seen.

Question: Is it possible to post pictures to this forum? I'm thinking it would be a good idea to get my mare's picture on the internet. It's possible that some of the foster farms might view the thread and recognize our mare. I'm looking for any way to speed the process and let people know that she does belong to people who care and want her returned. Since she had a previous knee injury, my concern is that they will opt to put her down, if they haven't already.

MarchBaby

Sep. 4, 2008, 01:28 PM

Donations:

http://www.fingerlakesspca.org/Press%20Release%20090308.htm

In the News:

http://www.weny.com/News-Local.asp?ARTICLE3864=9136999

http://www.wetmtv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=4fda5589-b9f6-48ad-ac44-6f73616ed3ba

http://www.stargazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809040310

http://www.eveningtribune.com/community/x802004825/Largest-horse-seizure-in-Finger-Lakes-SPCA-history

CYF

Sep. 4, 2008, 01:29 PM

Actually, not a bad idea - with a twist ;)
Maybe phone the SPCA back, tell them the same concern (you probably already have and your face is blue) but then ask them if you could a) email or b) fax a picture of the mare.
Then offer to fax the other ownership info that you have. All along stressing that that would be one more horse off their hands (physically and financially) and that you would remain available for contact and updates etc. etc. etc. (legal details and all that )

soccermom711

Sep. 4, 2008, 01:35 PM

CYF -- I said that and more:) All as nicely but as firmly as I could. I KNOW they are doing the best I can, and I sincerely appreciate it. It's just so frustrating on this end to not even be able to find out if she is alive. I offered to do whatever they needed. Heck, I'd drive up there this weekend and compile a list for them if they wanted me to! I also emailed them pictures - I don't know for sure, but my guess is that the majority of the SPCA employees are not horse people, so this is challenging for them. The woman I spoke to on the phone certainly seemed perplexed and overwhelmed by the idea of finding one particular horse out of this large group. If I was allowed to come up there and search myself, I promise you I'd find her in short order.

If we get too frustrated -- I will probably check in with them daily - they may find us on their doorstep.

CYF

Sep. 4, 2008, 01:43 PM

Wow, they really WOULD be lucky to have you show up on their doorstep! For non-horsey people, it must be a nightmare trying to identify each horse (and 80ish of them at that!) without knowing the ins and outs of normal horse descriptions. For someone to VOLUNTEER to do it, that's amazing and I'm hoping they'll take you up on it! :yes::yes::yes:
Granted it's a lot of hours out of your day, but for what a great need. And just think (from their side) - they'd have someone matching physical descriptions, taking evidentiary photos, STARTING AN INDIVIDUAL file for each horse... 1/2 the "office" work done (and we all know the paperwork tends to be the kicker).
Great thanks and kudos to you.
Definitely keep on them, arrive unexpectedly and tell them you'd spoken to "someone" and were there to do the photos and write ups as discussed.. ;)
Then you just might be able to find her, and faster.. :winkgrin:
Dang you're great! :cool::yes:

soccermom711

Sep. 4, 2008, 01:50 PM

Paperwork and detail I do have experience in:) I really do think that an experienced horse person could compile a pretty decent list in a relatively short time period.

I don't fool around when it comes to the people and animals that I love. I would consider it time well spent. I've never been involved in anything like this at all, but it seems the organizations involved are being very cautious - almost to the point where I do not really think they will accept outside help at this point. I understand, to a point. I may have to put my time and energy into getting a stall ready for her at our barn. We're full, but we have one stall at the back that needs cleaned out and rehabbed. I guess I'll use the power of positive thinking, and work on that so that we definitely have a big, comfy space for her to come home, relax and recover in.

My biggest fear though is that she's already gone.

jeta

Sep. 4, 2008, 01:59 PM

Soccermom I don't envy your position and my heart goes out to you and all those that are worried about their horses that were in this woman's care......

But considering the magnitude of this seizure if I were one of the foster farms or the investigators, I would worry that in the chaos of the 1st few days that horses will be lost in the shuffle if well-meaning folks or not so well meaning folks claim horses and thus scattering them, even if you are the righful owner....So unfortunately, patience is going to have to prevail here....Putting your info out there may help identify where she is, and hopefully give you some peace of mind that she is in caring hands now....

I can't imagine any rescue or foster organization to be at the ready for something of this depth to happen....and then have to triage and remove so many horses

Try to be thankful that so many came out to help with this process and that foster homes were organized so quickly for so many..... Kudos for those in the area that opened their farms and care in this situation.....My hat goes off to you....

LaurieB

Sep. 4, 2008, 02:08 PM

A photographer who works for the Evening Tribune in Hornell, NY is writing a follow-up story and would like to talk to anyone who has boarded horses at the farm. For more info, please read her post at the bottom of p. 3 in this thread:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21937&start=30&sid=8df7c6ef14bf1a0989d70037f0794b01

Lieslot

Sep. 4, 2008, 02:19 PM

Oh gosh, only just saw this thread.
Well thank God they have been taken away. I hope they will 'all' make the road to full recovery.
Will put a check for $100 in the mail tonite. Can't give much more at present, but surely all dribbles will help.

Bless those sweet mares, what a horrible condition they are in.

Soccermom, I'm hoping you can get your mare back alive... Good luck!

classicsporthorses

Sep. 4, 2008, 02:52 PM

doublete

Sep. 4, 2008, 03:06 PM

Here guys- from an article posted above
They are considered evidence until the investigation is complete, and can't go back to their original owners.
“I have to protect the security and the welfare of these horses. I have to make sure that nothing else happens to them or no one tries to go to any of these locations and remove horses,” said Scott Mazzo, the Finger Lakes SPCA Animal Cruelty Investigator.
The SPCA is financially responsible for horses in foster care.
They’re looking at medical and food costs of up to $20,000 just in the first month, and it could be longer before the horses are returned to their owners.
It is up to a judge to decide when the animals are returned.

RU2U

Sep. 4, 2008, 04:34 PM

SOCCER: Get the name of the humane officer involved and tell her about your horse. Volunteers are great but they don't have all the facts. They can't give you your horse back yet, but they can KNOW where they will send her. If you can't get a hold of a humane officer they all have board of directors, give them a call. Protect your horse until you get a firm YES that she will be sent back to you.

JanWeber

Sep. 4, 2008, 07:08 PM

Those in central NJ - I'm serving as a drop-off point for blankets and supplies. Email me at JanPWeber@yahoo.com and I'll give you directions if you have something to contribute. We've gotten a donation of 100 bales of hay - anyone going in that direction (Finger Lakes)?

Meredith Clark

Sep. 5, 2008, 01:01 AM

I e-mailed the SPCA but i'm sure they're so busy, I work at a tack store and me and a few friends are trying to make a care package for the horses but we wern't sure if they wanted specific brands (like for wormer) or if there are certain items they need more than others.

if anyone has this info it would help us get our box together faster.

JanWeber

Sep. 5, 2008, 07:50 AM

Meredith - Another Chance 4 Horses has is posted on their website www.ac4h.com, but I copied it here for you:

Hay - First cutting Timothy and grass hay immediately. Other kinds of course will be needed after careful start to feeding program alfalpha hay, pellets or cubes.

Grain - Safe Start, Mare and Foal initially other higher protein can be used later and will also be accepted.

Wormer - about 160 tubes needed of Safeguard and 80 tubes of Ivemectin and 80 tubes of Gold.

Medicated shampoo & Thrushbuster

Gas cards for the transporters greaty appreciated.

Farriers and equine dentists - who will donate services for a meal and gas money.

Blankets - used but in good shape or new appreciated! I know it's warm during the day but the nights are getting chilly -fall and winter are coming and seizure cases can drag on at times.

I read on a news report that the cost for the first month alone to care for and rehab these horses is estimated at $20,000... I know anything and everything we can do will help tremendously!

classicsporthorses

Sep. 5, 2008, 09:04 AM

Just a thought here but If some of you are a member of a breed specific organization (as in a state QH association) you may want to make the members aware and they may be willing to contribute to this cause as well.

TrueColours

Sep. 5, 2008, 10:36 AM

If anyone had a horse with Gerry, or has been to the farm and was directly involved with her or her operation, Rob Price at 607-776-2121 or scanews@stny.rr.com is interested in hearing from you ...

cowgirljenn

Sep. 5, 2008, 10:42 AM

The article makes it sound like the horses will be returned in the near future. I just spoke with the SPCA and they make it sound like it is an indefinite time frame. As of yet, they have been unable to provide any tattoo information, even on horses that had to be euthanized. They sound completely overwhelmed. Obviously, I want my mare back asap. You'd think the SPCA would have the same goal, because, as noted, horse care is not cheap. I'd like to take over the care and feeding of my horse for them. I simply could not get any sense of urgency from them -- I felt like I was asking too much to at least be notified if my mare had indeed survived.

I've been involved in a much smaller seizure (24 live horses, 1 dead) with 10-12 people calling, claiming to own the horses, I can tell you it is hectic and crazy. Your first concern is getting the horses in, trying to sort them out, getting your evidence together (vet exams, ID'ing horses, documenting conditions). I imagine it has GOT to be frustrating as an owner - and I can tell you it is frustrating and overwhelming as a rescuer.

Have charges been filed yet? If so, I would contact the DA's office. Let them know you owned a horse at the farm and are concerned. Offer to testify and provide photographs of the horse before she went there. Tell them you would like your horse back and wouldn't mind being a "foster" (or whatever) until the case is resolved in court. I know we were not able to release any horses until the court date, and in our case we had the judge order the horses owned by other people returned to them (that protected us, too - didn't make it look like we were just giving horses away).

Anyway, I know this isn't exactly what you want to hear, but I hope it helps.

k8tee

Sep. 5, 2008, 05:16 PM

‘We really don’t know if she’s dead or alive’
http://www.eveningtribune.com/news/x392062511/
Anne Marie Cray has no idea whether her 5-year-old mare, WeWe C, is dead or alive.

I'm not sure if this story has been posted somewhere else, but here is the follow-up story from The Evening Tribune in Hornell, N.Y., which is in the same county as the farm where the seizure took place.

MistyBlue

Sep. 5, 2008, 06:10 PM

Cray said she wasn’t contacted by Trupia or Blazejewski following the raid and that she found out about her horse while reading a message board on the Internet. Her boyfriend contacted Trupia after Cray read the post on the Pedigree Query forum.
“He was very upset after speaking with her because she told him that the SPCA mistreated our mare while getting her on the trailer,” Cray said.
“She said the mare was loaded on the trailer with 18 other horses, fell and re-injured her already bad knee. She described multiple horses that she saw get injured in one way or another. She then proceeded to tell him that they were euthanizing any horse that was injured or lame.”

Yeah...okay. She emaciates the animals in her care until they look like walking skeletons and it was the SPCA that was treating them badly during a seizure and injuring them to the point of needing to be euthed. :rolleyes: Sure. Starting to sound like the grandmother of that poor beautiful little Caylee Anthony...serious passing the buck/denial.
My thoughts are with Cray and her mare...hoping to hear a very happy update.

Laurierace

Sep. 5, 2008, 09:33 PM

CYF

Sep. 5, 2008, 10:47 PM

If so - GOOD JOB!
I absolutely adore you having the fortitude to follow up as you've been saying you would.
Hopefully, you'll garner enough attention that you will be placed as the "foster home" for that particular *piece of evidence* (I hate referring to WeWe as a piece of evidence FTR).
Good luck in your campaign - full steam ahead and damn the torpedos (well, maybe not the torpedos bit, they have a fair bit of backlash)

Pronzini

Sep. 6, 2008, 09:53 AM

You really want to talk about denial, they have an open house scheduled for October or November, I can't remember which according to their website. How the heck can you pull something like that off? Pile the bones behind the barn and hope no one notices?
I have known Gerry for over a decade and my head is still spinning over this. I keep trying to spin it in a way that makes semi sense, but can't do it. She offered free board and a free breeding to my mare when she retired this winter, which I considered to be a kind and generous offer since she knew my money was tight. Thank GOD I didn't take her up on that offer.

I don't mean to single you out, but you used the term "know" and you piqued my curiosity. How did you "know" her; from sales, on the track, did she deliver a horse to you at your barn or was it mainly online because we are all on PQ? I'm asking not to put you on the spot but rather to see how good this lady was at hiding things since so many were apparently taken in. Some of the best liars are self delusional--they sell their version of the truth because they truly believe it themselves. But spinning tales is obviously easier to do in cyberspace than IRL....had you ever been to her farm before?

Laurierace

Sep. 6, 2008, 09:58 AM

I trained a total of three horses for them over the years. No, I never saw their farm.

MarchBaby

Sep. 6, 2008, 10:42 AM

Thought this might be helpful information:

http://www.fingerlakesspca.org/

NEED TO CONTACT US (FINGER LAKES SPCA) ABOUT MAKING A DONATION EARMARKED FOR THE HORSE RESCUE; INQUIRE ABOUT A HORSE THAT WAS BEING BOARDED AT THE FARM, FOSTER CARE ASSISTANCE, ETC.?

We appreciate all your calls and contacts to the Finger Lakes SPCA in regard to this critical animal protection effort/rescue. However, we are experiencing high call volume & e-mail overload to our main/general e-mail account. To help facilitate communication and insure you receive a timely response to your contact in regard to these horses, please use the following e-mail address:

horserescueny@yahoo.com

It would also be very helpful if you could label the nature of your contact in the subject line (e.g. Donation; Foster/Adopt; Owner Inquiry; General).

News story out of Rochester NY:

http://www.whec.com/article/stories/S568925.shtml

A Splash of Color

Sep. 6, 2008, 10:52 AM

Poignant post from one of the rescuers is over at FHOTD:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1207507689303195972&postID=6684350464634685360

Post is from JenK08.

Lieslot

Sep. 6, 2008, 05:59 PM

Just read JenK08's post above. What a horror situation.
I just feel like I want to cry. I know the horses are out of there, but still, this is just heartwrenching sad.

But I guess if we all want to be honest, what is even worse, somewhere out there, there are more horses waiting to die under similar deployable circumstances that may perhaps never have the luck of being rescued.

I guess such is life. Sometimes the thought starving, suffering horses out there (which I'm sure there are) pops into my mind, and saddens me for hours on end.
But at the end of the day, we can only do what we can and offer a helping hand in the cases we know of and first & foremost offer the best to the ones we own & share our lives with ourselves.
Life can be so unfair.....:cry:
I hope one day soonish we can at least read some wonderful updates of these mares.

Laurierace

Sep. 6, 2008, 06:23 PM

JanWeber

Sep. 7, 2008, 10:18 AM

Bump - the cost to the FLSPCA to support these horses in foster care has been estimated at $20K for the first month... Help if you can. See www.ac4h.com for specifics.

Cherry

Sep. 7, 2008, 11:08 AM

If there is a silver lining in this whole mess I believe it is that the mares were for the most part in too poor condition to conceive and carry a pregnancy so thankfully there shouldn't be a huge baby boom next spring.

Actually the opposite may be true. I have several books on breeding, a couple written by Thoroughbred people. Everything I have read states that it's better to have the mare a little on the thin side (but not starved nearly to death) when breeding because they seem to "take" better than the "fatter" mares. It's Mother Nature's way of saying "Yikes, this mare is on the downside and I need to do my best to perpetuate this species!".... Kind of like when there's a prolonged drought but the pine trees put forth tons of cones in an effort to perpetuate themselves.... :uhoh:

acottongim

Sep. 7, 2008, 01:33 PM

Just so you don't have to look through over 100 posts to find this one, here is the post by JenK08 (if i need to remove it just tell me and I will):

I was part of the rescue involving these horses; I was there and saw the condition of these animals. It looked like a concentration camp; I have never seen anything like this. Not a single horse had a healthy body condition score-they were skin and bones. Many of the animals could barely walk, and several couln't even stand they were so weak. There were 5 small bales of hay on the entire premisis. There were some bags of grain in one barn, but none had been opened and they looked new. Feeding grain with no hay to these animals in this condition would have killed them.

Their feet had not been cared for in at least a year-there were hooves that looked like dinner plates; cracking, malformed, and causing leg issues. The youngstock were full of worms, bloated, and had never had a halter on let alone been seen by a farrier before. The list of medical issues included starvation, vaginal infections, untreated cuts, hoof rot, eye inflamation, bot flies, rain rot, ascarids, and debilitating hoof growth. Many horses had all of these problems.

The wood in the stalls had been eaten nearly clean through in many places, as these animals had been trying to get sustainance. This was beyond cribbing. The stalls were so full of manure in some places the bottoms of the walls were bowed out. Many were on pasture, but there was no grass left and they had no access to shelter. Anyone who walked this farm could see it was a death trap. Everyone was heartbroken. There was laughter as the rescue went on, but it was that nervous joking that goes on when things are so bad you either laugh or weep. None of us could sleep the nights after we were there, and many of us cried once we got into our trucks to leave. You cannot see something like this and not be deeply affected. I pray for this women, that she can see what she did and can just make sure that these horses get back to their owners or get adopted out to good homes. She made a horrible mistake that cost the lives of several of these animals, and she must come to terms with that. At some point she must have loved these animals, but somewhere something went horribly wrong. We are trying our best to make sure all the owners are located and reunited with their animals. As for the accusations that the rescuers were mistreating the horses, it was not true. There was some struggles getting a few of the animals on, but most of them went willingly onto the trailers. Anytime you move over 70 horses there are bound to be a few who have difficulties. We all remained calm, and did the best we could at keeping the animals relaxed. Many of these animals had not been handled in a very long time if at all, but they were all loaded on with no injuries and gotten to safe foster homes.

To sandmarc, I have to ask when was the last time you actually saw the farm in person? I am betting it was at least a year ago. No person, even a complete novice, could see this place and not recognize the horror of it.

LittleTyke

Sep. 7, 2008, 07:21 PM

soccermom and others, the reason they can't "release" any of the horses is b/c they are evidence. It is not until a court trial and afterwards, as in the decision rendered, that they are then available.

having had dogs who had been part of seizure cases, this I know. It's up to the DA and Judge to decide who gets custody and when they can be released.

Soccermom, we are probably an hour or so from there, If you are coming up and need anything let us know.

Okay, my concern with this is that their condition at the time of "seizure" is evidence. But once that's been documented, what good does it do the state to keep these mares from their owners? I've seen emaciated horses killed or foundered by the people who were saving them because they overloaded them.

In all honesty, they are not going to trot the horses through the court room. HOPEFULLY their conditions will improve. So why would they even want to retain privately owned horses? One person said that if Geri would surrender the horses they could be out of there faster? HOW can she surrender a horse that she doesn't own? That makes no sense.

I'm trying to help two owners get their privately owned horses back. There is ABSOLUTELY no question that they were there as boarders. Yet, the state of NY is going keep and hope for enough donations to feed them for the duration of the trial? The trails will take months if not over a year. In the mean time, the horse is under who's care? and getting what kind of handling?

Surely you can understand that the owners want their mares back on THEIR farms where they can ensure proper care and recovery.

This whole situation is very frustrating, but the comments about keeping horses until the trial is over is just making it worse. Their owners want them back ASAP, they'll pay to have all the vet work and documentation they want done, but they want the horses back or moved to farms of their choosing as soon as possible. They've already been screwed once, but now they feel like they're getting screwed again (and I don't blame them).

MarchBaby

Sep. 7, 2008, 08:22 PM

http://www.eveningtribune.com/news/x1577101789/SPCA-denies-mistreating-seized-horses

RainyDayRide

Sep. 7, 2008, 10:34 PM

Surely you can understand that the owners want their mares back on THEIR farms where they can ensure proper care and recovery.

This whole situation is very frustrating, but the comments about keeping horses until the trial is over is just making it worse. Their owners want them back ASAP, they'll pay to have all the vet work and documentation they want done, but they want the horses back or moved to farms of their choosing as soon as possible. They've already been screwed once, but now they feel like they're getting screwed again (and I don't blame them).

I can imagine the owners' frustration, but in any seizure of animals that I've heard about, the animals have not been released for adoption or return to owners until the court cases have been resolved. Even Michael Vick's fighting pitbulls couldn't be distributed to various sites for adoption until his case was over. This isn't something cooked up just to make life difficult for people who care about the horses and want to aid in their recovery.

RainyDayRide

Sep. 7, 2008, 10:40 PM

http://www.eveningtribune.com/news/x1577101789/SPCA-denies-mistreating-seized-horses

From that article... bold added...

The SPCA and Mazzo are currently trying to match up horses with their owners. According to Mazzo, there was a lack of documentation kept by Trupia at the barn.

“I have contacted every owner that I am aware of,” Mazzo said. “I would like people to say that they have a horse there and if they can prove that they can get their horse back. There isn’t a lot of information.”

Mazzo said owners will be reunited with their horses as soon as the courts allow it.

Owners of horses at the Norcrest/Middle Creek farm should contact the Finger Lakes SPCA at (607) 776 - 3039 or by e-mail at horserescueny@yahoo.com. The subject line should read “Owner Inquiry.”

lolalola

Sep. 7, 2008, 11:10 PM

On the AC4H forum, a poster wrote that she called the PA SPCA on these people 18 years ago, when there was a similar situation. They then moved to NY. This poster also said she believed they had done the same thing in MD, before moving to PA. Anybody out there remember these cases?

LittleTyke

Sep. 8, 2008, 01:06 AM

I can imagine the owners' frustration, but in any seizure of animals that I've heard about, the animals have not been released for adoption or return to owners until the court cases have been resolved. Even Michael Vick's fighting pitbulls couldn't be distributed to various sites for adoption until his case was over. This isn't something cooked up just to make life difficult for people who care about the horses and want to aid in their recovery.

Was Vick boarding dogs for other owners? I can understand that the courts keep any animal owned by Geri as they have the right to terminate that ownership. I'm talking about horses that the courts should have no rights to terminate the ownership on (unless they are considering charges against an owner three states away who was paying board to be screwed like that).

Marli

Sep. 8, 2008, 08:21 AM

soccermom711

Sep. 8, 2008, 10:59 AM

Just as a clarification...........I still have the entire email interview saved. While I am willing to do whatever is necessary to find/save my mare, it was not my intention to make the SPCA look bad. I know they are doing the best they can. I would like to have my concerns addressed in as timely a manner as possible however. When I relayed what my boyfriend had been told regarding our mare being injured while being loaded on the trailer, etc, I followed that up immediately by saying that we now know that the farm owner cannot be believed given all of the misinformation we have received from her in the past. The reporter also asked me why I thought the farm owners had treated the horses this way and I told her I had no idea........the only information I had at this point was from others who thought that perhaps she was ill in some way. All I wanted was confirmation that our mare was not hurt being loaded, was, in fact, taken to the SPCA (she could have been dispersed in some way already), and was not euthanized due to her condition.

I remain frustrated. I did not have email access this weekend, so I'm just catching up. I did give everyone and their brother my cell # though and sent her picture everywhere I could think of, numerous times. I have still not received any information.

I just wanted to clear that up ----- I know people are going to get the wrong impression since the article did not include my clarifying statements. I appreciate all the SPCA is doing - if our mare is still alive, it's only because of their efforts.

Alexie

Sep. 8, 2008, 11:04 AM

i hope you get your mare back safe to you very soon, what a nightmare :(

A Splash of Color

Sep. 8, 2008, 01:59 PM

Could you post the link please, I'd like to read too. Thanks!

Marli and everyone interested, here it is (at https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1207507689303195972&postID=6684350464634685360):

Carol (http://www.blogger.com/profile/16976841165623396240) said... Trupia and her mother should BOTH burn in hell. This is NOT the first time they have done this. I called the SPCA on them myself when they had a farm in Stewartstown, PA approximately 18 years ago. From what I understand, that was not their first time either. They did the same thing in MD. Not long after the SPCA came down on them in PA, they hightailed it to NY. The horses in PA were walking skeletons, covered in rain rot. There was a mare and foal locked in a stall standing in 3 feet of manure! I still have pictures that I took when I went with a friend to pick up his mare that they had half starved to death. He had loaned his mare to Gerry to breed to her stallion. His mistake...not going to check on his mare over the course of the year. Gerry called him when the mare foaled because she hemorrhaged and the foal died. We went to get his mare out of there and her mother tried to say that the mare was so emaciated because she hemorrhaged. I said, "I think not! She hemorrhaged because of the condition she was already in!" What idiots!

September 7, 2008 2:09 PM

fidget88

Sep. 9, 2008, 08:47 AM

arabhorse2

Sep. 9, 2008, 10:03 AM

Marli.. This is Debbie (( Parker )),,, can you send me more information.. any updates what is needed.. Blanket sizes?? etc.. are there foals?? I am only getting a little info..

I did send you a PM on another matter...

THANKS!!

Parker, Marli's not in charge of this, just giving out info. From page 3 of this thread:

Would like to thank you for your persistance as phone calls were made to the SPCA involved and they have now granted permission to post their website information which includes ways to donate [there are two Finger Lakes SPCA's and this is the correct one]

The SPCA that did this seizure is the Finger Lakes SPCA. Here is their website:

http://www.fingerlakesspca.org/

Direct link to donate to the Finger Lakes SPCA (secure site for donating)

http://partners.guidestar.org/contro...ein=16-0772023 (http://partners.guidestar.org/controller/searchResults.gs?action_donateReport=1&partner=networkforgood&ein=16-0772023)

You may want to notate your donation 'horse seizure'.

A Splash of Color

Sep. 17, 2008, 08:28 PM

http://www.wetmtv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=a79aa6f8-2400-480a-9ec2-5793b8e1c9e5

Silly Mommy

Sep. 18, 2008, 01:05 AM

Some volunteers stopped by my place today and I loaded them up with blankets (the horses are so down in weight that the cool nights are too much for them), coolers, fly masks, and can't remember what other odds and ends I have around here.

It is my understanding that there are no babies, but some very small yearlings (duh - they need food to grow), and possibly foals on the way as the horses were turned out in a herd like situation with stallion(s) in the mix.

I just shudder at the conditions these animals were in.

Silly Mommy

Sep. 18, 2008, 01:06 AM

PS - they are making progress with trying to ID the horses, but they just can't release the info or the foster care names as of yet.

MistyBlue

Sep. 18, 2008, 07:03 AM

Thanks for the update Splash Of Color. I was wondering last night what was going on in this case.

TrueColours

Sep. 18, 2008, 07:18 AM

Why only 5 counts laid? DO the starved ones that werent euthanized not count???

BasqueMom

Sep. 21, 2008, 04:44 PM

Any updates on the mare that one of the posters was looking for? She had a mare there
and was having problems finding out if it had survived and where it was.

Cherry

Sep. 22, 2008, 12:41 PM

It is my understanding that there are no babies, but some very small yearlings
I know at least a couple of those "foals" are now about ten months old so I could see where they might think they had "small yearlings" on their hands....

and possibly foals on the way as the horses were turned out in a herd like situation with stallion(s) in the mix.
This wouldn't surprise me in the very least, although why would you breed more if you couldn't feed the ones you already had??? Why wouldn't you have taken the money you spent for mares, foals and stallions in 2008 and bought hay with it instead???? :confused: :uhoh:

soccermom711

Sep. 22, 2008, 01:28 PM

I just wanted to update everyone. We were notified late last week that our mare had been euthanized. Her body score was a 1 out of a possible 9. There were multiple things wrong with her after being starved and neglected for months. She went down and was unable to get up. The vet did the only compassionate thing under the circumstances.

We will be cooperating with the investigation and filing a civil suit ourselves. She did not deserve to suffer and die this way. It's my belief that she was starved from the day she was picked up from our farm. She was such a kind mare -- I'm sure she could not understand why her life changed so dramatically. It hurts my heart to picture her confusion and probably hope that we would come along at any time and feed her. It's too much really -- here we were thinking she was happy and well cared for and all the while the exact opposite was true. If only we could turn back time.

Thanks to everyone who has cared, tried to help and thought of us. It was all very appreciated.

Rienzi

Sep. 22, 2008, 01:55 PM

:cry: :confused: :mad: :mad: :mad: :cry:

trubandloki

Sep. 22, 2008, 01:58 PM

I am very sorry to hear that Soccermom.

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Sep. 22, 2008, 02:01 PM

soccermom711, so, so sorry to hear this.

Ambrey

Sep. 22, 2008, 02:01 PM

This wouldn't surprise me in the very least, although why would you breed more if you couldn't feed the ones you already had??? Why wouldn't you have taken the money you spent for mares, foals and stallions in 2008 and bought hay with it instead???? :confused: :uhoh:

Because you are a hoarder with a compulsive need to bring in more horses regardless of the consequences.

Soccermom, I am so, so sad to hear about what happened to your girl. That must just break your heart :( I bet one of the reasons it took so long for you to get info was that they want to be double sure before they gave you that terrible news.

With how public she was, how much she was "out there," how many people were giving her horses... how did it get so bad? I am really asking, I just don't understand. Was she operating on an outdated reputation?

soccermom711

Sep. 22, 2008, 03:09 PM

Ambrey,

I've been asking myself the same questions. I've gone back through all of the posts, emails and responses I've had from her and about her over the last two years. If you read any of her responses on the pedigree forum, I think you'd agree she comes across as a very knowlegeable, reasonable horse person. She sent me private messages on different topics over the years that were very well written. She was also very knowledgeable about trainers at different tracks -- including ones in our area. She seemed to have a very nice rapport and past relationship with many board members. Others did recommend her based on past experiences. It seems that those with bad experiences or recent knowledge kept their mouth shut. Gerry was not our only choice and/or offer for our mare. We chose her because, ironically, we felt she'd be well cared for there. Gerry was also one of the closest to us geographically -- we were also uncomfortable sending her too far away.

Obviously, I could absolutely kick myself now. I will never again take anyone's word on anything when it comes to sending my horse to them. I will see the place myself and check references thoroughly. I realize most people will not care for my horse like I would, but I was not expecting it to go so incredibly, horribly wrong.

MistyBlue

Sep. 22, 2008, 03:14 PM

My deepest condolences Soccermom. :( Best of luck with your civil suit, hope your attorney knocks one out of the park on this issue. :sadsmile:

There is no way of knowing if this person is/was a hoarder. I wouldn't throw that label around easily online. I'd hate to see an attorney get hold of those opinions and run with it to get the person out of any responsibility. For all we know she could just have been taking in money and spending it, fully realizing she was starving horses and not have the actual mental diagnosis of hoarder.

ChocoMare

Sep. 22, 2008, 03:29 PM

Oh Soccermom. :( I'm so, so sorry to hear your mare has crossed. I've been following this thread just hoping and praying that she was ok. While it's small comfort, at least her passing was out of kindness and concern from a vet, and she knew gentle hands, pats and tears. :cry:

cowgirljenn

Sep. 22, 2008, 03:58 PM

I'm so sorry, Soccermom. I have had the very unpleasant job of telling someone that their horse didn't make it... and my heart aches for you.

Ambrey

Sep. 22, 2008, 04:01 PM

There is no way of knowing if this person is/was a hoarder. I wouldn't throw that label around easily online. I'd hate to see an attorney get hold of those opinions and run with it to get the person out of any responsibility. For all we know she could just have been taking in money and spending it, fully realizing she was starving horses and not have the actual mental diagnosis of hoarder.

Wow, that's even harder to stomach :( The idea that there are people who would pretend to be horse lovers and then purposefully torture these beautiful animals.

MarchBaby

Sep. 24, 2008, 03:58 PM

http://www.wetmtv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=ecf768a9-0bc2-4ef6-8ac5-9c71630a1db8

TOWN OF TROUPSBURG- The woman who SPCA officials say is responsible for the largest animal cruelty case in Steuben County history plead not guilty in the Town of Troupsburg Court Wednesday, but Geraldine Trupia had no comment after her arraignment.

A judge also ordered her to pay more than fifty three thousand dollars to cover the cost of caring for the animals since they were seized.

SPCA officials are still looking for some of the horses' owners. If you had a boarding or leasing agreement with Trupia, you're asked to call the Finger Lakes SPCA at 607-776-3039.

A Splash of Color

Sep. 24, 2008, 07:17 PM

More from The Horse (http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=12756):

"Breeding Farm Operator Pleads Not Guilty to Cruelty Charges

Geraldine Trupia, operator of Norcrest Farm in Troupsburg, N.Y., pleaded not guilty to five counts of Class A misdemeanor animal cruelty (http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=12737) during her arraignment in Troupsburg Town Court Sept. 24.

....Trupia is scheduled to appear in court on Oct. 1, at which time she will be asked to post bond to cover the cost of the horses' care, [SPCA Executive Director Vicki] Mosgrove said. Meanwhile, arrangements to return the horses to their owners continues. Anyone who had boarding or leasing agreements with Trupia should call the SPCA at 607/776-3039."

MistyBlue

Sep. 24, 2008, 07:19 PM

Eh, they never do admit their guilt. Hope they force her to come up with the $53k for care.

minnie

Sep. 24, 2008, 08:29 PM

And that's only for the first month - how long before this goes to court????

J Swan

Sep. 24, 2008, 08:45 PM

I just wanted to update everyone. We were notified late last week that our mare had been euthanized.

I am so very sorry. I can't even imagine how you must feel. I hope it is a small comfort that a vet was there to make her passing peaceful.

I agree with MistyBlue, I'd not hang my hat on the "hoarder" label.

I think there is real evil in the world. Cruel, calculating evil. Most, if not all of us know this person through her internet posts.

She knew better. And she did it anyway.

(in defense of 7HL, some of us have been taken in by anonymous requests for donations. There is no way for all of us to know who is legit or not; I can see why some folks would be suspicious. Glad the moderator verified that the request was legitimate)

el camino

Sep. 24, 2008, 09:08 PM

She had a stallion there named Dunsynine. Anybody know if he is still alive?

Cherry

Sep. 24, 2008, 10:27 PM

She had a stallion there named Dunsynine.

El camino, when was this??? Was it actually her stallion or was it on loan from someone???

I went back in the Wayback Machine to look at Norcrest's website that was up before she took it down and that was not one of the many stallions that was listed....

classicsporthorses

Sep. 25, 2008, 05:55 AM

Oh Soccermom I am so very sorry. This brings tears to my eyes.

Alexie

Sep. 25, 2008, 06:40 AM

i'm so sorry soccermom :(

soccermom711

Sep. 25, 2008, 09:23 AM

Hello everyone...........just wanted to say thank you again for all of your kind words. Thankfully, I have some nice pictures of our mare. We can't stop thinking about her. It's so sad. Every horse is special in their own way and every life is sacred -- and yet there are a few that stand out to you. She was one of them. I have never owned a horse as beautiful as she was -- she had an almost exotic look to her. But what made you fall in love with her was her personality. She was so kind, yet funny. Easy to work with, but spirited. She wasn't needy, but she was the first horse to greet you, every day, when you came in the barn.

We had sent her to Illinois in 2007 to be bred with another mare of ours. We believe the farm foundered her, she almost died -- they told us she would probably not make the trip back. We drove 25 hours round trip to go get her. She made it --- she had a big heart and really was a fighter, although at the bottom of the pack in the herd. So I know she tried to survive in NY.........obviously she didn't stand a chance. I cannot wait to hear Gerry's explanation. Justice will never be served in this case. You cannot make up for what she did to those innocent animals.

A Splash of Color

Sep. 26, 2008, 02:52 PM

From The Hornell Evening Tribune (http://www.eveningtribune.com/news/x1774795834/On-the-mend)

"By Lynn Brennan
The Evening Tribune
http://global.static.ghm.zope.net/resources/global/images/new.gif Fri Sep 26, 2008, 11:49 AM EDT

Alfred, N.Y. - Nearly a month after being seized from the Norcrest/Middle Creek Farm in Troupsburg, all 78 horses are still alive and recovering at barns across New York state.
....

Eight of the horses removed from Trupia’s farm were taken to the Alfred State College Pioneer Farm, where they are being nursed back to health under the director of Vicki Bolton, department chair of the animal science program at ASC.

“These students are getting to see and treat things they have seen in class,” said Bolton, explaining that she will lecture on a subject, then go out to the barn and see what they just learned about.

According to Bolton, the seized horses were suffering from malnourishment, rain rot, thrush, parasites, eye problems, a lack of farrier care and open wounds.

“We just spent the last month getting their strength up so we can deal with these issues,” said Jen Kuhn, ASC’s Pioneer Farm manager.

“These horses were on the brink of death when they came here,” said Recktenwald.

Many of the horses at the farm have gained 75-100 pounds since their arrival. The horses are going through a ton of hay a week.

“The pastures (at the Troupsburg farm) looked green but there wasn’t anything for the horses to eat,” Bolton said, adding that the pastures were primarily made of buttercup which is not nourishing and can cause blisters on the horses’ noses.

Recktenwald said she is very impressed by the effort and compassion put forth by volunteers to improve the lives of the animals. She said that 35 volunteers arrived at the Troupsburg farm to remove horses on Aug. 29-30.

“(ASC) students came dressed in blue coveralls, unasked, ready to work on both days,” said Recktenwald.

“They came back the next day,” said Bolton. “They couldn’t turn their backs on those horses.

Recktenwald told the story of a chestnut stallion nicknamed “Big Red” that was seized by the SPCA and in in dire need of immediate medical attention. A call was placed to the Cornell University Veterinary Hospital but volunteers were told the university was not accepting any charity cases. One of the volunteers donated $1,000 and a trailer to get him in the door at Cornell. “Big Red” had surgery to remove an eye and is now in foster care in Allegany County.

The Animal Welfare Institute is currently paying for the feed and medical care for the eight horses being housed at ASC, as well as Kuhn’s salary.

“At the end of the day, we just hope we’ve made an impact on the lives of these horses,” said Recktenwald."
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There are two photos accompanying the article. Here are their captions:

(Chestnut foal in stall) Vicki Bolton looks at one of the foals at the Alfred State Sollege farm that was seized from the Norcrest/Middle Creek Farm in Troupsburg.

(Bay foal outside) Jen Kuhn, Alfred State College Pioneer Farm manager, pets one of the foals seized by the Fingerlakes SPCA. The horses were afraid of people when they were seized from the Troupsburg farm. They are now thriving on human contact.
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Edited to add, in response to soccermom's post above,

"Justice will never be served in this case. You cannot make up for what she did to those innocent animals."

No truer words, soccermom; no truer words.

May your heart heal soon.

summerhorse

Sep. 26, 2008, 03:25 PM

El camino, when was this??? Was it actually her stallion or was it on loan from someone???

I went back in the Wayback Machine to look at Norcrest's website that was up before she took it down and that was not one of the many stallions that was listed....

I don't think he made it on the website. I asked her about it and she said she was working on a page for him but she never even posted a picture of him. She got him in 2006 I think, forget what month now though. I hope he made it but I'm not real well hopeful.

A Splash of Color

Sep. 28, 2008, 01:00 AM

Latest press coverage at The Courier (http://www.steubencourier.com/news/2008/0928/front_page/001.html) includes a photo which is worth 1,000 words (500 of which could be "Why? Why? Why?...").

"Donors giving thousands to SPCA for seized horses
Operator of farm pleads not guilty to animal cruelty charges
By ROB PRICE THE COURIER-ADVOCATE

....Animal Cruelty Inv. Scott Mazza estimated it would cost about $20,000 a month to feed and treat the animals.

"I'm really impressed with people stepping forward to help us," Mosgrove said last week. She added the agency will continue to need monetary support, inkind services and donations while the horses are under its care.

...

Meanwhile the SPCA is working to match each surviving horses with its legal owner. The Trupia farm was a large horse breeding operation, and horse owners across the country had sent their mares to the stable for stud service. Mosgrove said the SPCA has been working with the U.S. Jockey Club, which oversees thoroughbred breeding in the country, to match the horses with their owners.

The agency last week asked anyone with horse boarding or leasing agreements with Trupia to contact its office at 607-776-3039.

The SPCA will continue to look after the horses while the Trupia case is adjudicated, Mosgrove said."

minnie

Sep. 28, 2008, 08:55 AM

I'm just trying to figure out how she could plead "not guilty" and what possible kind of defense she might have.

Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division

Oct. 1, 2008, 12:02 PM

Just an update

I emailed the SPCA looking for a stallion that was given to Geri. Fini Cassette, bay approx 17 yrs old. She was given this stallion and promised a good home. I am frantic to find him as I was going to get him but we already have a stud and hubby didn't want another. Now we are kicking ourselves. The lady in the email said they are still having trouble id'ing horses and finding owners. So if anyone has pics or knows of someone that may have a horse there please tell them to contact them. There is a email link on the SPCA website. She also said they are trying to get a list together to post.

I am so glad that I did not sell her my mare and foal when she contacted me. I guess for once I am glad I was out of someones price range and didn't budge.

Marli

Oct. 1, 2008, 12:44 PM

I *believe that Fini Cassette is in the care of a foster home. His tattoo (to match him) was given to the SPCA along with the rest.

Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division

Oct. 1, 2008, 12:53 PM

I hope so, my kids have been frantic. We have one of his daughters and they really wanted us to give him a home. But one stallion is enough but I wish I had. Hopefully the SPCA will get back to us. I hope she surrenders her own horses so we can give him a forever home.

A Splash of Color

Oct. 2, 2008, 11:54 AM

Trupia copped a plea.

"Guilty in horse farm animal abuse (http://www.eveningtribune.com/homepage/x151821237/Guilty-in-horse-farm-animal-abuse)

By Lynn Brennan
The Evening Tribune
Thu Oct 02, 2008, 11:24 AM EDT

It doesn’t look like Geraldine “Gerry” Trupia will be spending any time in jail for allegedly mistreating 85 horses and five cats in her care.

Trupia appeared in Troupsburg town court Wednesday morning to answer five charges of animal cruelty for failure to provide adequate food, water and medical treatment for the animals. The charges were limited to five because state law prohibits jail terms of more than two years for related misdemeanor convictions.

“Miss Trupia pled guilty to two counts of misdemeanor level animal cruelty pursuant to Section 353 of the Agriculture and Markets law,” said Patricio Jimenez, Steuben County assistant district attorney. “That was in satisfaction of the five charges that have been at this point filed against her.”

....

As a condition of her plea, Trupia also ... [spare me the theatrics] gave up ownership rights to her animals that were seized by the SPCA. Those animals will be adopted out. Upon proof of ownership, horses owned by third parties will be returned to their owners.

“Certain things can happen between now and the sentencing that would not bind the court to the agreed upon sentencing but allow them to deviate and perhaps impose some other sentence,” Jimenez said. “Typically, a court can and will do that if a defendant doesn’t show up for sentencing or if the defendant is re-arrested between the date of the plea and the date of the actual sentencing.”

Jimenez would not comment on whether Blazejewski is facing any charges.

“At this point we consider it to be an open investigation,” Jimenez said. “Generally, our policy is with any open investigation, we don’t really comment.”

As the investigation continues, other charges are possible against Trupia and others.

Eight of the horses removed from Trupia’s farm were taken to the Alfred State College Pioneer Farm, where they are being nursed back to health under the direction of Vicki Bolton, department chair of the animal science program at ASC.

Many of the horses at the farm have gained 75-100 pounds since their arrival. The horses are going through a ton of hay a week.

Trupia declined comment Wednesday morning but said she will come forward with her side of the story once the case is settled.

asb2517

Oct. 2, 2008, 12:17 PM

Trupia declined comment Wednesday morning but said she will come forward with her side of the story once the case is settled.

What on Earth could be her side of the story?? :mad:

I think it's disgusting that she isn't going to go to jail at all for this! :mad:

Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division

Oct. 2, 2008, 12:27 PM

What does this mean??? Does this mean the horses that were bought at auction go back to the people who consigned them to the auction??? What about the foals that went with the mares??? :confused:

If she got the registration papers when she bought them how would the owners prove previous ownership??? I'm confused.... :uhoh: Can someone explain this to me???

I think they are referring to boarders. Did they say when the horses would be put up for adoption? What gets me is that they don't know who the owners are of these horses that boarded there. Doesn't she send out board bills? They could use that list to contact owners, plus if you boarded there wouldn't you visit your horse every so often. I just don't understand why they can't figure out who is the owners of these horses.

Ambrey

Oct. 2, 2008, 12:29 PM

What on Earth could be her side of the story?? :mad:

I think it's disgusting that she isn't going to go to jail at all for this! :mad:

Just console yourself with knowing that her life as a "professional" in the horse world is over, and "her side" of the story isn't going to change anyone's mind about her.

Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division

Oct. 2, 2008, 12:32 PM

I think her side of the story is going to be that no one paid their board bills. But that doesn't fly with me, you always have money set back for that and there is a thing called the legal system. You don't pay, move them somewhere else. I wonder how many of them are her personal horses.

Ambrey

Oct. 2, 2008, 12:36 PM

cowgirljenn

Oct. 2, 2008, 12:53 PM

I think they are referring to boarders. Did they say when the horses would be put up for adoption? What gets me is that they don't know who the owners are of these horses that boarded there. Doesn't she send out board bills? They could use that list to contact owners, plus if you boarded there wouldn't you visit your horse every so often. I just don't understand why they can't figure out who is the owners of these horses.

If she leased horses (free leases or otherwise), then the owners might not be going out to check on them. If she had horses in for breeding or training from out of state, owners might not be going out to check on them. Or if she purchased horses on payments but didn't actually pay for them, the owners might not have been going out there.

It isn't always so cut and dried. I have been involved in a case with 25 horses - half of which weren't owned by the woman we took them from. We had NO LEGAL RIGHT to go through her records (you can't just storm in and do so), so we had no clue who the owners were until they came forward. Luckily (?) for us, as soon as her horses were seized, SHE started calling the owners and telling them to contact us - she was an odd duck. She didn't care for the horses in her care, but once we took them she was calling the owners and screaming about what we did.

turningpointequine

Oct. 2, 2008, 12:58 PM

What gets me is that they don't know who the owners are of these horses that boarded there. Doesn't she send out board bills? They could use that list to contact owners, plus if you boarded there wouldn't you visit your horse every so often. I just don't understand why they can't figure out who is the owners of these horses.

From what I was told by a Humane Society member was that Gerry knew who the horses were and such but wasn't giving out any information to help out the Humane Society. Probably just trying to stay mute until the court case was over to save her butt? I don't know. I'm sure we'll never understand what was going on in Gerry's irrational mind.

Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division

Oct. 2, 2008, 01:13 PM

I didn't notice her saying she had horses starving to death and asking for help anywhere.

That is the part that really galls me, she didn't ask for help. I don't feel sorry for her at all. I just wish they had not cut a deal with her. No example to be made of.

Cherry

Oct. 2, 2008, 01:31 PM

The real problem is: "Behavior seen as rewarded tends to be repeated." People tend not to take things too seriously if they are simply slapped on the wrist for their infractions.... :(

I think if I were one of the people whose horses had to be put down I'd be looking up other owners who lost horses to see if something could be done.... :uhoh:

minnie

Oct. 2, 2008, 02:00 PM

blackstallion

Oct. 2, 2008, 05:43 PM

I know at least one mare owner who is filing a civil suit, so the justice may have to come through the other court system. Hopefully a part of her plea arrangement is never owning horses OR cats again.

cloudyandcallie

Oct. 2, 2008, 06:03 PM

Then there is NO justice. She should most definitely go to jail! I can only hope those people who were boarding with her get together and file a civil suit. I can hardly wait to hear "her side of the story". Must be a doozy!

The legal system, judges and DAs, do not care about animal abuse and torture. Occasionally you will find a judge or a DA who will send someone to jail for harming animals. In that case, you should write letters to them, thanking them for doing so, and send a contribution, however small, to their next reelection campaign. I do. It reinforces behavior.

summerhorse

Oct. 2, 2008, 06:16 PM

She had a stallion there named Dunsynine. Anybody know if he is still alive?

The SPCA confirmed (via phone) that Dunsinyne was put down on the farm. (Posted on Pedigree Query).

RIP Dunny.

There is no "side" to starving animals to death. There is no "side" to killing animals you are being PAID to take care of. This was not just hoarding, this was pure callous greed.

Alexie

Oct. 2, 2008, 07:48 PM

May God forgive her because I sure hope she spends a long time rotting in hell.
I'm sat here in the UK crying my eyes out at what she's done.
What is wrong with people?

creseida

Oct. 2, 2008, 09:07 PM

If there was a g-d, it wouldn't let innocents go through that kind of torture.

She deserves no forgiveness whatsoever.

A Splash of Color

Oct. 4, 2008, 09:31 AM

It's good that the press is keeping this sad story in the public awareness. By doing so, it is reminding folks that the FL SPCA's need for donations continues. Also continuing is the ID process and anyone who can help needs to contact the FL SPCA.

Here are links to the two articles and brief quotes:

The Courier (http://www.steubencourier.com/news/2008/1005/front_page/001.html):

".... Jimenez Friday said Trupia may be suffering from a "pathological" condition that led her to acquire more horses than she could possibly have cared for.

"Quite frankly, this is the kind of case where I'm not sure jail is going to resolve the issue on a long term basis," he said. "Generally speaking, people who over-acquire animals have a rate of recidivism when they are incarcerated."

.... When seized by the SPCA, the horses showed marked signs of malnutrition and what Mazzo called "substandard care." While they have been gaining weight since then, one local horse owner who is caring for 16 of the animals estimated they weigh only 600 to 800 pounds.

The SPCA currently is working to reunite the horses with legal owners. It also is seeking donations to defray the huge cost of caring for the animals, which Mazzo estimated could run $20,000 a month.

For additional information on how to assist the agency, call 607-776-3039.

and The Horse (http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=12836) at:

".... Trupia has also relinquished interest in the horses belonging to her," Mosgrove said. "And if ordered, she would pay the SPCA restitution for the horses care."

Trupia declined comment until her case is officially closed.

"It's not over," she said. "But I will comment when I can."

.... Owners whose horses were among those seized from Norcrest Farm should contact the SPCA at 607/776-3039. Proof of legal ownership is required to claim a horse."

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I'd also like to make a suggestion that anyone who owned or was involved with any of the horses who died or were seized please give some thought to writing a pre-sentencing letter to the judge. Sentencing is scheduled for November 12, 2008, so there's time to frame your thoughts and get them down on paper.