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imajicadutch
Aug. 28, 2008, 08:18 PM
Remember that the Chinese took dogs and other pets off the restaurant menus so that the rest of the world would not be offended?

According to the "New Yorker", scores of Chinese people, dressed as tourists, were sent to public places, including the Beijing airport, with beagles and rubber balls. They were supposed to throw the balls so that the beagles would play with them and so that the real tourists would be put at ease.

One American tourist was overheard saying to her husband, "They don't eat dogs, they play with them".

Apparently, it is very important that things are not how they are,, but how they seem to be.

PR spin at its finest.

Dixon
Aug. 28, 2008, 10:22 PM
Anyone for a delicious Beijing Beagle Burger now that the Olympics are over?

Sister Margarita
Aug. 28, 2008, 10:31 PM
PR?
No, just like a cat with a mouse. Unfortunately for those dogs, the Games end.
Do they think the rest of the world is that gullible?
Apparently they think that we can't tell when a gymnast is just out of grade school too...

imajicadutch
Aug. 28, 2008, 10:43 PM
Heh, heh, don't you know that thirteen is the new sixteen?

Just as fifty is the new thirtyl:D

imajicadutch
Aug. 28, 2008, 10:45 PM
Anyone for a delicious Beijing Beagle Burger now that the Olympics are over?

The alliteration is to die for.

Poor dogs.

LexInVA
Aug. 28, 2008, 11:22 PM
I wonder what Snoopy thinks of all this.

J-Lu
Aug. 28, 2008, 11:22 PM
Chinese people dressed as tourists?? :lol: I wonder how many people mistook them for Swedes. Or American whippers-in who traveled with their favorite pals.

TKR
Aug. 28, 2008, 11:32 PM
My, my -- how witty we are! You think it's FUNNY and an opportunity for your sick wit to respond in such a way to the plight of the animals in China? It's absolutely deplorable that the Olympics were held there! Did anyone read about the atrocities to the cats prior to the Olympics? I guess no one cares if it doesn't affect you and your horses!
Geez!
PennyG

Whitfield Farm Hanoverians
Aug. 28, 2008, 11:37 PM
I hate to ask but what happened to the cats prior to the olympics. And yes I think it was just awful that the Olympics were held in China for a number of reasons.

WindsongEq
Aug. 29, 2008, 12:59 AM
We were in the Beijing Airport... There were no people with beagles and balls... What I thought was interesting is the week we were in and around Beijing & Shanghai I only saw 1 dog being walked... No other dogs or cats....I was very careful to eat mostly vegetarian while I was there....just in case...

bird4416
Aug. 29, 2008, 12:43 PM
Anyone for a delicious Beijing Beagle Burger now that the Olympics are over?

I heard you could get one at the Bassett, Basenji Buffet in Beijing.

riverbell93
Aug. 29, 2008, 01:34 PM
You know TOTALLY HYPOTHETICALLY, I wonder which dog breed works best as food? Because that's a stat the AKC really needs to slap up on the website - "The Bavarian Killhund is loyal, athletic, and if you find his aggressive temperament too much to handle, they're great in soup..."

Sorry. I know a few dogs who would look great in a pot.

everyequine
Aug. 29, 2008, 02:21 PM
You know TOTALLY HYPOTHETICALLY, I wonder which dog breed works best as food? Because that's a stat the AKC really needs to slap up on the website - "The Bavarian Killhund is loyal, athletic, and if you find his aggressive temperament too much to handle, they're great in soup..."

Sorry. I know a few dogs who would look great in a pot.

LOL! I am an animal lover, so no flaming please!! but this was too funny not to reply to. I had a dalmation, that was always grumbling, and high strung, that my mother always made sure to mention "Cruella had the right idea!!" whenever he was around.
He really was sweet but he had issues.

AdAblurr02
Aug. 29, 2008, 02:40 PM
I worked with a civil engineer who was born and raised in Beijing - came over here on her own ticket, worked her way through colleges and her degree, and was (and still is) madly in love with our country - and our animals. She told me that there were NO pet animals in her homeland - that the whole country had enough of a problem feeding its human millions that feeding "useless pets" was just not on their agenda.

She was the first member of her family in living memory to ever have met a horse face to face - we taught her to ride on my senior stallion Pokey, and videotaped it to send back to her mom in China. That little old lady gave movie parties for weeks - her "equestrian daughter" was quite famous!

Equibrit
Aug. 29, 2008, 02:52 PM
Would you stop eating beef if the Chinese decided to keep steers as pets?

vineyridge
Aug. 29, 2008, 03:18 PM
Beijing for the Olympics--a twenty first century Potemkin village. Fake tourists with beagles to lower travel stress at airports. I like it. Better they should use the beagles for drug sniffing. :D

sisu27
Aug. 29, 2008, 04:08 PM
Would you stop eating beef if the Chinese decided to keep steers as pets?

Some animals are "designed" to be eaten. Cows are. Dogs...not so much.

I find it humerous when people use this analogy. There is no defending the lack of respect for life shown by the people of that country. IMO.

SMMP
Aug. 29, 2008, 05:05 PM
Some animals are "designed" to be eaten. Cows are.

Try telling that to the people in New Delhi or Bombay. :lol::lol::lol:

Kimberlee
Aug. 29, 2008, 05:46 PM
Try telling that to the people in New Delhi or Bombay. :lol::lol::lol:

Now that was a great comeback, LOL:):)

danceronice
Aug. 29, 2008, 05:54 PM
Try telling that to the people in New Delhi or Bombay. :lol::lol::lol:

True, but it's a lot more natural to eat an herbivore (prey animal) than a carnivore or omnivore. (I mean, taste-wise alone, ick....)

sisu27
Aug. 29, 2008, 06:25 PM
Try telling that to the people in New Delhi or Bombay. :lol::lol::lol:

I didn't say everyone had to eat cow just that it is an animal that is made to eat.

egontoast
Aug. 29, 2008, 08:55 PM
mmmm lox and beagles

PS I'm not necessarily buying the story.

imajicadutch
Aug. 29, 2008, 11:24 PM
mmmm lox and beagles Ten points.




http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/08/25/080825fa_fact_lane?currentPage=all

Paragraph five.

Ajierene
Aug. 30, 2008, 12:32 AM
All animals were eaten at one point in time.

In my horse nutrition class in college, I learned that horses store their fat as unsaturated fat while bovine store their fat as saturated fat. Unsaturated fat is much easier for humans to digest and make use of, making horse meat a much healthier meat for humans to eat.

Certain tribes in Africa hold cows in such high esteem that killing them for food is abhorrent. Some tribes will not eat cows at all while others will only eat cows after they die naturally.

Cannibalism is still prevalent in some areas of the world and is part of a ritual of respect.

Saint Bernards are raised as food in China:
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/bernard.asp

The statement that some things are 'meant' for food is a bit ambiguous - what makes a cow food? Because it is bred and raised specifically for that purpose. If you bred and raised dogs specifically for this purpose, what is the difference between someone that eats dog and someone that eats cow?

egontoast
Aug. 30, 2008, 06:04 AM
Cannibalism is still prevalent in some areas of the world and is part of a ritual of respect

Hence the origin of the expression "Bite Me!"

Ajierene
Aug. 30, 2008, 10:38 AM
Hence the origin of the expression "Bite Me!"

He he he - hmm...what makes you think I respect you enough, egontast?

slc2
Aug. 30, 2008, 12:17 PM
Bite me didn't come from cannibalism. It came from irritating trolls annoying people.

sisu27
Aug. 30, 2008, 06:24 PM
All animals were eaten at one point in time.

In my horse nutrition class in college, I learned that horses store their fat as unsaturated fat while bovine store their fat as saturated fat. Unsaturated fat is much easier for humans to digest and make use of, making horse meat a much healthier meat for humans to eat.

Certain tribes in Africa hold cows in such high esteem that killing them for food is abhorrent. Some tribes will not eat cows at all while others will only eat cows after they die naturally.

Cannibalism is still prevalent in some areas of the world and is part of a ritual of respect.

Saint Bernards are raised as food in China:
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/bernard.asp

The statement that some things are 'meant' for food is a bit ambiguous - what makes a cow food? Because it is bred and raised specifically for that purpose. If you bred and raised dogs specifically for this purpose, what is the difference between someone that eats dog and someone that eats cow?

Were they raised and bred specifically for this purpose then there would not be a difference. More bang for your buck with a cow I would think. I've eaten horse by the way but would not knowingly eat dog. I watched a program where people were fighting for the welfare of pets in China as they were eating peoples pets. I also have seen video of a German Sheppard being slane and as the man walked up to it it was saying hello and wagging it's tail as only a dog can then he picked up it's hind leg and cut it to bleed out. I am aware that the slaughter of cows and pigs and whatnot isn't pretty either but somehow I find this different. Perhaps I am wrong. My disdain for China goes beyond the treatment of dogs so perhaps that doesn't help.

Geneva
Aug. 30, 2008, 06:40 PM
Cannibalism is still prevalent in some areas of the world and is part of a ritual of respect.Hence the origin of the expression "Bite Me!"

:lol: :lol: :lol: Brilliant.

msrobin
Aug. 30, 2008, 10:22 PM
Just one more reason why I HATE China

sascha
Aug. 30, 2008, 11:20 PM
Bite me didn't come from cannibalism. It came from irritating trolls annoying people.
Do you have documentation to support that bit of etymology? Can you at least, please, diagram it for us? I'm not seeing the connection whereas the cannibalism-bite me path seems much more plausible. And, please, don't bring bugs into it, they frighten me terribly and besides that's a whole different 'ology;)

riverbell93
Sep. 2, 2008, 12:45 PM
All animals were eaten at one point in time.... The statement that some things are 'meant' for food is a bit ambiguous - what makes a cow food? Because it is bred and raised specifically for that purpose. If you bred and raised dogs specifically for this purpose, what is the difference between someone that eats dog and someone that eats cow?

Humans domesticated cattle solely as a food source while we domesticated canines as almost exculsively as companions. Useful companions who would guard us and hunt with us, but companions. Morally, it's hard to really justify killing anything just because we like the taste of meat, but there's more of a problem when the animal is one that we chose long ago for its companionship skills and spent the intervening millennia grooming to enhance still further that ability to cooperate with us. It's crueler to kill dogs because we created them as friends.

Apart from anything else, there is no practical way to keep dogs humanely while raising them for slaughter; a cow is pretty happy in a big field with other cows, but a dog needs beloved owners to be happy. I know 4H kids routinely sell their projects to slaughter, but I'm not sure we're ready to raise meat Golden Retrievers.

linquest
Sep. 2, 2008, 01:48 PM
Humans domesticated cattle solely as a food source while we domesticated canines as almost exculsively as companions. Useful companions who would guard us and hunt with us, but companions. Morally, it's hard to really justify killing anything just because we like the taste of meat, but there's more of a problem when the animal is one that we chose long ago for its companionship skills and spent the intervening millennia grooming to enhance still further that ability to cooperate with us. It's crueler to kill dogs because we created them as friends.

Apart from anything else, there is no practical way to keep dogs humanely while raising them for slaughter; a cow is pretty happy in a big field with other cows, but a dog needs beloved owners to be happy. I know 4H kids routinely sell their projects to slaughter, but I'm not sure we're ready to raise meat Golden Retrievers.

That may be true of many cultures, but I'm not so sure it's universally true that canines were domesticated exclusively as companions. For comparison, in some cultures, horses are both a source of work (transportation, recreation) as well as food (milk or meat). I don't think the livestock/companion animal classifications are necessarily mutually exclusive or the same across all cultures.

Agree with Ajierene's posts.

riverbell93
Sep. 2, 2008, 02:03 PM
That may be true of many cultures, but I'm not so sure it's universally true that canines were domesticated exclusively as companions. For comparison, in some cultures, horses are both a source of work (transportation, recreation) as well as food (milk or meat). I don't think the livestock/companion animal classifications are necessarily mutually exclusive or the same across all cultures.

Well, I didn't claim either that it was universal or exclusive. There's always someone who does something differently. But most dogs, in most cultures, have not been used as food. And in most cultures and in most times, livestock and companion animals are mutually exclusive terms, given the humans involved had enough money to kick the goats out of the hut.

Sixth Sense
Sep. 2, 2008, 02:17 PM
I could not bring myself to eat dog meat and I do have concern for some of what happens over there but what also worries me is the fact that almost everything sold here is made in China. I don't know about everyone else, but I make a concerted effort to only buy products that are NOT made in China. Even if I have to pay more for it.
We are supporting everything that China stands for by the fact that we are buying their goods. Something to think about ...

Moderator 1
Sep. 2, 2008, 02:18 PM
Not horse-related.

Thanks,
Mod 1