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freestyle2music
Aug. 18, 2008, 09:46 AM
The starting order of the FTM just has been posted:

http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/EQ/C51DD/EQX001101.shtml#EQX001101

Strange thing that happened is the fact that the German judge Riexinger is selected for all three competitions GP, GPS and FTM, while other judges were only allowed to judge 2 of the 3 competitions.

Bad for Anky and Hans Peter but even worst for the US-riders (and certainly Courtney).

Theo

DownYonder
Aug. 18, 2008, 09:49 AM
How did they determine the order of go? Did they draw for time slots?

I'm also wondering how they determined the Freestyle judges. Did they draw names?

freestyle2music
Aug. 18, 2008, 09:52 AM
How did they determine the order of go? Did they draw for time slots?

They usualy draw in three groups of five, depending on the ranking of the GPS.

The judges are normaly drawn for the first test (GP), and at the next tests two of them are replaced by judges from another country. Since it seems that during HK Riexinger is the head of the judges, he was allowed to judge all competitions.

DownYonder
Aug. 18, 2008, 10:14 AM
They usualy draw in three groups of five, depending on the ranking of the GPS.

The judges are normaly drawn for the first test (GP), and at the next tests two of them are replaced by judges from another country. Since it seems that during HK Riexinger is the head of the judges, he was allowed to judge all competitions.

Thanks. Sounds like Riexinger want to ensure that Isabell wins Gold. :lol:

canyonoak
Aug. 18, 2008, 10:55 AM
No matter the outcome, I hope everyone gets together and make a public protest over Riexinger.

The corrupt nature of his judging should not go unremarked, even if it obviously will go unpunished.

No wonder Princess Haya has announced she will return to competition for 2012 Games.

The FEI is a cesspool.
I can at least say proudly that as the FEI Dressage sandbox belongs only to the Europeans (ie, there are no North Americans on the FEI Dressage Committee), the dreadful blatant judging at Hong Kong is on European shoulders.

ANd La Withages must be losing her grip.

BTW, I've gone to the new, "transparent " FEI website and so far, cannot find a list of the members of the FEI dressage committee, so if anyone out there can provide a list or a link, that would be nice.

Because I plan to write to them about Riexinger and Tornblad.

ridgeback
Aug. 18, 2008, 10:56 AM
Thanks. Sounds like Riexinger want to ensure that Isabell wins Gold. :lol:

Who decides who is the head judge? Isn't the dutch judge the president?? Unless Anky has a complete meltdown I bet she wins..

Happy Feet
Aug. 18, 2008, 11:32 AM
I was sooo hoping Riexinger was not judging the FS. Oh well. The beat goes on.

freestyle2music
Aug. 18, 2008, 12:31 PM
Who decides who is the head judge? Isn't the dutch judge the president?? Unless Anky has a complete meltdown I bet she wins..

Normally the Head of the FEI dressage commitee (Mariette Withages from Belgium) is the head judge. But as Canyonoak already posted MW is losing grip on the new Haya FEI. So the lobby of the Germans worked AGAIN. And it will keep on working for many years to come. That's why I hope that more countries will enter this top dressage circus, and also get a vote in all the ever changing FEI-rules and regulations.

As my favourite groom always say "welcome to the world of dressage" .

Theo

petitefilly
Aug. 18, 2008, 01:32 PM
As my favourite groom always say "welcome to the world of dressage" .



Sounds like Steffen and Courtney better have their crosses, garlic necklaces, and their wooden stakes ready during their rides. Ouch! Vampires are on the loose.

Sandwiching poor Steffen between Kemmer and Anky, he will need some smelling salts to stay alive. K-O-ed in the ring. :):):)

All I keep hoping is that he comes back with the *power to avenge* in London.

lukas1987
Aug. 18, 2008, 02:54 PM
cannot find a list of the members of the FEI dressage committee, so if anyone out there can provide a list or a link, that would be nice.Is this what you're looking for?

http://www.fei.org/FEI/FEI_Directory/Documents/Dressage.pdf

Chair Mme Mariette WITHAGES - DIELTJENS
Deputy Chair Organisers Rep. Dr Vincenzo TRUPPA
Member Mrs Dolores FERNANDEZ DE BOBADILLA
Member Ms Minako FURUOKA
Member Dr Dieter SCHUELE
Riders Rep. Ms Monica THEODORESCU

canyonoak
Aug. 18, 2008, 05:00 PM
<<Is this what you're looking for?

http://www.fei.org/FEI/FEI_Directory...s/Dressage.pdf

Chair Mme Mariette WITHAGES - DIELTJENS
Deputy Chair Organisers Rep. Dr Vincenzo TRUPPA
Member Mrs Dolores FERNANDEZ DE BOBADILLA
Member Ms Minako FURUOKA
Member Dr Dieter SCHUELE
Riders Rep. Ms Monica THEODORESCU >>




By george, you've got it!

thank you!

freestyle2music
Aug. 18, 2008, 06:43 PM
IMHO this doesn't make any sense, because the watchdogs will never forward these mails.

Please Email the judges involved directly ! and a CC to the FEI.

Mike Matson
Aug. 18, 2008, 07:21 PM
So Theo, how many freestyles will we see where the riders spends $$$ for music that doesn't work for their horse? Every World Cup and past Olympics I see this problem. It's driving me crazy! :mad:

freestyle2music
Aug. 18, 2008, 09:00 PM
So Theo, how many freestyles will we see where the riders spends $$$ for music that doesn't work for their horse? Every World Cup and past Olympics I see this problem. It's driving me crazy! :mad:

Music is allways very personal, and these riders don't use music which you like but the music the judges like. :cool:

And I don't think that any of the riders in these Olympic or Worldcup finals are worried about the fact that you get crazy.

Ulla Salzgeber who rode to the same music for over 8 years; once stated, "since I have scored manyyyyyy 10's for my music, why should I change it, because we mostly have the same judges at important competitions."

Next to this we have 4 European judges and 1 judge from Japan around the ring. So as a musicmaker I should go for the music which the Europeans like the most.

Mike Matson
Aug. 18, 2008, 09:11 PM
That's okay Theo, because those that find music that works for their horse and make a connection with the audience will be remembered for much longer than those who picked their music for the judges. That's why so few freestyles are remembered, such as Anky's "Song Sung Blue", Balkenhol's Spanish freestyle, and Debbie's MoTown freestyle. If you do only what the judges want, then you end up in the trash heap of history.

Of course I understand riders have to make a living based on winning, but you have to do something that goes beyond the ordinary if you want to be remembered.

canyonoak
Aug. 18, 2008, 09:22 PM
<<Please Email the judges involved directly ! and a CC to the FEI.>>

Well, Withages is at Hong Kong, as is Furuoka.


AM already working on rough draft. And will certainly email the other judges as well.

<g>

TeddyRocks
Aug. 18, 2008, 09:29 PM
No matter the outcome, I hope everyone gets together and make a public protest over Riexinger.

The corrupt nature of his judging should not go unremarked, even if it obviously will go unpunished.

No wonder Princess Haya has announced she will return to competition for 2012 Games.

The FEI is a cesspool.
I can at least say proudly that as the FEI Dressage sandbox belongs only to the Europeans (ie, there are no North Americans on the FEI Dressage Committee), the dreadful blatant judging at Hong Kong is on European shoulders.

ANd La Withages must be losing her grip.

BTW, I've gone to the new, "transparent " FEI website and so far, cannot find a list of the members of the FEI dressage committee, so if anyone out there can provide a list or a link, that would be nice.

Because I plan to write to them about Riexinger and Tornblad.

But I am a bit "lax" in my knowledge of international judging. What is going on at this Olympics that pertains to us? Has the judging "really" been unfair? Can anyone explain this in laymen terms... The only other Olympic judging scandal I've heard of was the winter olymics with the Russian/Canadian skaters and a french judge... What is going on here?

Thanks in advance. If there is somewhere else I can read about it, let me know please...

Equa
Aug. 18, 2008, 10:21 PM
I was far more concerned about the Eventing Dressage judging - and it wasn't the German or Swiss judges who were blatantly partisan!