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pintopiaffe
Aug. 18, 2008, 02:52 AM
I grew up a block or two from Sharonshire Farm, south of Boston, which (way)back in the day was the Ward family. Very big into H/J.

Used to host shows next to the train tracks--Amtrak and the purple, commuter rail T to Providence. (yes, it got interesting at times! :eek: )

They moved, and I worked at that farm just after they moved for a brief period.

Just wondering if it's the same Wards by any chance.

Janet
Aug. 18, 2008, 07:33 AM
His father is Barney Ward.
He has generally been located in NY/CT.

Equibrit
Aug. 18, 2008, 08:00 AM
Wasn't he a football player before he became a horse killer?

bird4416
Aug. 18, 2008, 08:04 AM
Wasn't he a football player before he became a horse killer?

Don't know about football but he was definitely the latter. :(

YankeeLawyer
Aug. 18, 2008, 08:11 AM
He -- meaning BARNEY -- was a football player at one time. McLain has nothing to do with his father's issues. And if you are going to be so nasty, you might at least specify to whom you are referring.

vxf111
Aug. 18, 2008, 09:59 AM
Pretty sure that Mclain trains with Barney, he says it frequently in articles.

Eventer13
Aug. 18, 2008, 10:23 AM
From what I've heard, MaClain doesn't exactly have a spotless record, either. Studded boots, anyone?

Darden
Aug. 18, 2008, 11:01 AM
Adele and her family are not related to Barney as far as I know. She had several daughters - Rebecca (who owned Sharonsire after Adele moved to Middleboro), Melissa, Michelle, Adele and 2 sons- I can't remember their names. The sons were like 6 and 8 when I knew the family when they had a farm in Middleboro. Adele, the mom, was married a few times and is related to Nancy Ciesluk of Cerulean.

I understand that Adele ran some race horses at the fairs and previously showed and evented. I also remember reading somewhere that she had won the lottery and moved from Massachusetts to TN - don't know about that, however.

If anyone has contact information for Adele I'd appreciate it to send her a note.

Darden

DMK
Aug. 18, 2008, 11:02 AM
oooh, bet there is plenty of bandwidth available on horseshowspy for you guys. Meanwhile can the rest of us just relax and enjoy it for oh, let's say 12 hours, mmmkay?

pines4equines
Aug. 18, 2008, 11:06 AM
Barney Ward had Shannon Stables in (I think) Brewster NY for years. Interesting old, old barn on about 5 - 7 acres. Very, very old fashioned. I'm sure it's not there anymore...

And, yes, he is a nefarious fellow...When I went there to get a job as a groom in the 70s, Barney was not there and another groom told me basically to leave now, it's not a good place to work as a young starry-eyed, horse lover teenaged girl. In hindsight, I'm glad I left and went to work for other nefarious individuals.

Janet
Aug. 18, 2008, 11:12 AM
Barney Ward had Shannon Stables in (I think) Brewster NY for years. Interesting old, old barn on about 5 - 7 acres. Very, very old fashioned. I'm sure it's not there anymore....
Shannon is in Bedford NY. Still there, currently on the market for $15M- do a search for and earlier thread. I think it is more like 30 acres.

http://chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=3347380&highlight=shannon#post3347380

http://thejournalnews.2.homescape.co...06/id-36175796

There were plenty of rumors about what went on when Barney was there.

AFTER Shannon, he moved to Brewster.

boosma47
Aug. 18, 2008, 11:12 AM
Shannon Stables is in Bedford, and is for sale.

When BW was starting out there, my father used to take me over there (I was about 5) to sit on the fence and watch.

Later years, under different ownership/trainer, I restarted my riding there as an adult.

Wards have always been in Westchester, Greenwich area.

fannie mae
Aug. 18, 2008, 11:15 AM
chio aachen 2003...
life time ban for maclain from the holy aachen grounds given his disrespectful behaviour - big deal overhere and hats off to the aachen jockey club (institution sponsoring/organizing the chio) for showing that much strength and consequence.

people loved them for having set a sign.

up until in 2004 george morris started strongest offenses and pressure (didn't really make himself many friends overhere...) forcing the aachen organisation to allow maclain back in since the chio 2004 was the official pre-selection trial for the athen olympics and he insisted the US team MUST be allowed to compete completly - ... said to have been told by the aachen org to f... off and consider ground rules of horesmanship PRIOR to let such things happen in his team ...
no chance.
morris got the FEI involved and they did what they can do best:
ignore priniciples of basic sport&horesmanship - aachen was forced to let maclain back in.

the nation was disgusted.
aachen is considered "holy grounds" and it was bad enough to have a creature like maclain back in - but on top of that having to accept that the FEI can force them to do what a single individual person wants to do in their own country - completely debasing...

so what happened was that a single reporter at the major german national TV station would show his protest by not commenting on maclain every time he would compete:
pretty cool thing, this reporter is one of the most popular sport commentators overhere and the only equestrian specialist - and basically he dared his job as this was a public news channel....

(you need to understand that aachen is the biggest thing overhere and the public TV owe it SEVEN days a week broadcast...)

so the public however loved him for that and it was amazing what SILENCE can do - he probably gained much more attention and tought the public more about maclains disbehaviour by simply saying NOTHING at all than he could have ever achieved by talking it all over again...

not sure if he got sh... ,too (by the channel, morris or the FEI. who knows? money is mighty...) but he did start commenting on maclain in the following year again - didn't seem to be delighted to have to do so but no more silent ward-approaches - too bad...


so as much as i am happy for the us-team to have won the gold medal today:
the fact that a man with a background like this is still active on horseback is a shame to say the least.
i switched off my lifestream when they were about to hand the medal on to him.

that much about horsemanship.
i'ld rather see him fight with wrestlers and his alikes.

lcw579
Aug. 18, 2008, 11:15 AM
In hindsight, I'm glad I left and went to work for other nefarious individuals.

:lol::lol::lol:

magnolia73
Aug. 18, 2008, 11:20 AM
Can we PLEASE just enjoy this great performance?

Seriously. I'm sure we all have something in our past to be ashamed of. Mclain is not his father. He is an american who went out, developed a strong partnership with that mare and showed up for the party ready to win and contributed great rounds to that effort. If not for the rider, then lets at least allow for some time to celebrate Sapphire's brilliant effort.

Like DMK said- can we have 12 hours before skewering the man?

YankeeLawyer
Aug. 18, 2008, 12:11 PM
chio aachen 2003...
life time ban for maclain from the holy aachen grounds given his disrespectful behaviour - big deal overhere and hats off to the aachen jockey club (institution sponsoring/organizing the chio) for showing that much strength and consequence.

people loved them for having set a sign.

up until in 2004 george morris started strongest offenses and pressure (didn't really make himself many friends overhere...) forcing the aachen organisation to allow maclain back in since the chio 2004 was the official pre-selection trial for the athen olympics and he insisted the US team MUST be allowed to compete completly - ... said to have been told by the aachen org to f... off and consider ground rules of horesmanship PRIOR to let such things happen in his team ...
no chance.
morris got the FEI involved and they did what they can do best:
ignore priniciples of basic sport&horesmanship - aachen was forced to let maclain back in.

the nation was disgusted.
aachen is considered "holy grounds" and it was bad enough to have a creature like maclain back in - but on top of that having to accept that the FEI can force them to do what a single individual person wants to do in their own country - completely debasing...

so what happened was that a single reporter at the major german national TV station would show his protest by not commenting on maclain every time he would compete:
pretty cool thing, this reporter is one of the most popular sport commentators overhere and the only equestrian specialist - and basically he dared his job as this was a public news channel....

(you need to understand that aachen is the biggest thing overhere and the public TV owe it SEVEN days a week broadcast...)

so the public however loved him for that and it was amazing what SILENCE can do - he probably gained much more attention and tought the public more about maclains disbehaviour by simply saying NOTHING at all than he could have ever achieved by talking it all over again...

not sure if he got sh... ,too (by the channel, morris or the FEI. who knows? money is mighty...) but he did start commenting on maclain in the following year again - didn't seem to be delighted to have to do so but no more silent ward-approaches - too bad...


so as much as i am happy for the us-team to have won the gold medal today:
the fact that a man with a background like this is still active on horseback is a shame to say the least.
i switched off my lifestream when they were about to hand the medal on to him.

that much about horsemanship.
i'ld rather see him fight with wrestlers and his alikes.

You know what Fannie Mae, on at least a couple of occasions that come to mind your beloved German team members were flagged for drugging their horses and, umm, were stripped of international medals because of these incidents. Now, do I think all German riders drug their horses and are bad people (or even that those particular riders do, ordinarily)? No, of course not. But I would not be so quick to condemn others.

And by the way, thank you for announcing the results of the competition that I have Tivo'd. I was trying to avoid the threads discussing the competition, but thanks to you I guess I don't need to bother watching after all.

LexInVA
Aug. 18, 2008, 12:13 PM
*burps*

fannie mae
Aug. 18, 2008, 12:42 PM
right on, yankeelaywer, exactly the reason my interest in olympic equestrian sport has turned down dramatically well before the rollkur-stuff popped up. too much money involved, too much individual egoism - not really a sport in the sense of sport ("horsemanship") anymore - except for eventing, i still dare to say.
many of the german riders i'ld rather not like to see perform, either, as i had too many opportunities watch them at the warm up areas all those years.
which is the reason i focus on breeding rather than following intl sports.

condemn others?
i don't think so.
the us team convinced through best performance - honour to whom honour is due.
and i am pretty sure my entire beloved german nation does agree with that as much as i do.
as they are pretty good in dealing with self criticism and i think so am i.


"And by the way, thank you for announcing the results of the competition that I have Tivo'd. I was trying to avoid the threads discussing the competition, but thanks to you I guess I don't need to bother watching after all."

???
don't get it.

Tiramit
Aug. 18, 2008, 12:56 PM
Simply amazing. The man (McLain) rode three near-flawless rounds over Olympic courses that claimed many, many point casualties (just loved the refusals by not one, but two German riders this morning) then rode a gorgeous clear round in a high-pressure jump off and you vultures can't wait to come out start throwing crap on his achievements! :mad:

If you want to condemn every child for a parents' misdeeds you might as well resign yourself to creating a very long list of unfortunate offspring. His father's crimes do not deserve to be mentioned on the same day McLain rode his boots off for the country.

McLain was the superstar of our team's Olympic competition and he did so with grace and style. Without him, we would not have won gold. I am incredibly proud he's on our side!! :)

vxf111
Aug. 18, 2008, 01:03 PM
I don't see how discussing his past demeans his accomplishment. The truthful part of his history is what it is. You can either decide it bothers you or decide it doesn't. He's not the only person with skeletons in their closet, it is what it is. People talked plenty about a certain Canadian rider with past drug problems-- your past is your past. Nothing can take away from what he accomplished today and I think it would be hard from anyone to question his talent and ability (he's amazing). But that doesn't mean the past ceases to exist. His past is part of him and he's seemingly learned to accept that.

pintopiaffe
Aug. 18, 2008, 01:47 PM
May I apologize publicly for starting this thread? :uhoh:

I had no idea. TRULY or no way I would've asked! :eek:

Just that the farm near me growing up was full of 'big time' H/J horses and I wondered if it was the same family.

Fairview Horse Center
Aug. 18, 2008, 02:01 PM
I don't see how discussing his past demeans his accomplishment. The truthful part of his history is what it is. You can either decide it bothers you or decide it doesn't. He's not the only person with skeletons in their closet, it is what it is. People talked plenty about a certain Canadian rider with past drug problems-- your past is your past. Nothing can take away from what he accomplished today and I think it would be hard from anyone to question his talent and ability (he's amazing). But that doesn't mean the past ceases to exist. His past is part of him and he's seemingly learned to accept that.

Excellent post.

Ruby G. Weber
Aug. 18, 2008, 02:31 PM
And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

I am pretty sure McL's paternal grandfather was from New England although I could not confirm MA.

And for the record, McL has matured tremendously since the Aachen incident. Having not been born with ice water in his veins - like some of the other riders - he has had to learn how to remain cool under pressure.

I think he's mastered it.

Sannois
Aug. 18, 2008, 02:42 PM
or anyone over McClain.
Beezie, Laura.
I was seriously rooting For Ian Miller. CApt Canada
9 olympics and nary a medal. And he was always so successful on the circuit. :yes:

FalseImpression
Aug. 18, 2008, 02:45 PM
I agree that the past is the past and that a certain Canadian rider had his demons too. However, they did not involve horsemanship... Spruce Meadows also banned him from their grounds but had to let him back also because he was part of the Canadian team...

Anyway, both riders were wonderful this week and deserved their medals for this!

Darden
Aug. 18, 2008, 03:26 PM
Geeze - PintoPiaffe - Perhaps we can get this thread closed? I know that you didn't mean to bring this all up and I was just trying to get you info on Adele and her family and really to get contact information for her.

This is so sad.

Congrats on your rides today, McLain- very very proud of you and the rest of the team!!


Edited to add: Adele's middle husband's name was Ward I believe and her third husband was Durden. So the girls are Wards and the boys are Durden. But anyway, too bad that this thread has generated the same old same old...

Bogey2
Aug. 18, 2008, 03:39 PM
And, yes, he is a nefarious fellow...When I went there to get a job as a groom in the 70s, Barney was not there and another groom told me basically to leave now, it's not a good place to work as a young starry-eyed, horse lover teenaged girl. In hindsight, I'm glad I left and went to work for other nefarious individuals

:lol:

eqrider1234
Aug. 18, 2008, 04:03 PM
Don't know about football but he was definitely the latter. :(

can you please explain :yes:

Alagirl
Aug. 18, 2008, 04:20 PM
can you please explain :yes:


Do a search, it should yield plenty of material without opening it up again. heck, it even inspired an episode from Law&Order...


ANYHOW...since McLain also finds himself connected with SWAP/Crossed Sabers...see the trainwreck in Off Course and with the caveat that a lot of people might not even know their affiliation is being claimed...


The guy can ride, o doubt, that makes the other issues all the more sad IMHO

Foxtrot's
Aug. 18, 2008, 04:46 PM
Please, when discussing someone, differentiate who you are talking about - father or son. I think it is time to finish this thread, it is unfortunate but some people just love re-hashing old dirt.

Let's get back to "feeling Olympian".

Alagirl
Aug. 18, 2008, 04:57 PM
My bad for connecting 2 thought in one post:

A) search the father and you find a number of threads and wrecks about his dealings with horse insurance

B) The Son can ride, no doubt, to bad he has some unpleasant things in his history, puts a shadow on his abilities, IMHO

vineyridge
Aug. 18, 2008, 05:29 PM
McLain got hit with FEI discipline about the boots, and after he had served his suspension he was good to go in FEI events. I suppose that's why the FEI put pressure on Aachen because Aachen runs FEI events.

Makes sense to me. It's just too bad that any rider at any level would think it's okay to used studs in jumping boots. Says a lot about what's important to that rider. :yes:

talloaks
Aug. 18, 2008, 06:01 PM
From what I've heard, MaClain doesn't exactly have a spotless record, either. Studded boots, anyone?


Sorry I am behind the curve here, but what do you mean by "studded boots"????:confused:

glfprncs
Aug. 18, 2008, 06:01 PM
I know you're trying to end all of this, but as a curious bystander, was Papa Ward (Barney) allowed to attend the equestrian events at the Olympics?

I believe he has a lifetime ban at USEF sanctioned events (national organization), but didn't know if he had any FEI bans that wouldn't allow him to attend/watch McClain at the Olmpics.

Just curious, if anybody knows.

Janet
Aug. 18, 2008, 06:02 PM
I know you're trying to end all of this, but as a curious bystander, was Papa Ward (Barney) allowed to attend the equestrian events at the Olympics?

I believe he has a lifetime ban at USEF sanctioned events (national organization), but didn't know if he had any FEI bans that wouldn't allow him to attend/watch McClain at the Olmpics.

Just curious, if anybody knows.I believe the FEI honors NF bans, and vice versa.

Spoilsport
Aug. 18, 2008, 06:10 PM
Back to the original question. . .I believe the Ward clan is originally from Rhode Island. Lots of family still there.

anuphillbattle
Aug. 18, 2008, 06:11 PM
Have to give Mcclain credit for some great rides and that mare!!

WOnder if they know that they 'donated' to a never approved 'charity'? The Wards have 'donated' ex jumpers to Second Wind Adoption program at Crossed Sabers. Surely they took tax deductions for the donation of horses though maybe not the $50 Armand ( related not sure exactly how) donated ( listed on an archived website along with his unlisted phone number:eek:) and the $500 of blankets(?) McClain donated- wonder if they KNEW that the program is not 501(c)3 . Mcclain is also mentioned a lot on the CS website - supposedly an Intern was supposed to go to Mcclain's for an Internship? or clinic? or something? Fior was 'donated' and the adoption fee was listed as $4K, so surely he 'appraised' for more.

I remember the uproar about electrocuting horses LONG ago ( make it look like heart attack - there were gruesome details ) for insurance purposes. As far as I know, none of my relatives have done anything immoral or illegal but I guess I wouldn't just want to be guilty by association if they had. Edited to say: I am talking about the father's involvement, long ago, in a well known case of horse murder for insurance. I guess what I was trying to say is that because a relative pleaded guilty, does not make Mcclain a bad person. The boots? yikes. that makes me sad.

LexInVA
Aug. 18, 2008, 06:24 PM
I believe the FEI honors NF bans, and vice versa.

You are correct (as usual) and he has not been allowed to be by his son's side at any USEF, FEI, or umbrella organizations recognized equestrian event. That issue was the sole basis for his NY supreme court case in 2000 against the AHSA.

YankeeLawyer
Aug. 18, 2008, 06:24 PM
I remember the uproar about electrocuting horses LONG ago ( make it look like heart attack - there were gruesome details ) for insurance purposes. As far as I know, none of my relatives have done anything immoral or illegal but I guess I wouldn't just want to be guilty by association if they had.

If you all INSIST on bringing that up, please at least have the courtesy and good sense to distinguish between father and son and stop writing vague allusions so that people who are unfamiliar with the history jump to the wrong conclusions. Seriously, I think some posters should be ashamed of themselves (and should probably race over to the thread in which people are debating whether McLain's failure to put his hand over his heart during the playing of the National anthem was unpatriotic and disrespectful).

talloaks
Aug. 18, 2008, 06:32 PM
Regardless of how others think or feel about the situation of father or son, I still want to know what "studded boots" are!!:eek:

Fairview Horse Center
Aug. 18, 2008, 06:44 PM
I believe studded boots refers to the plastic? chips found in the leg boots of Maclain's horse at Aachen. I believe it is thought to be something like soring that the Tennessee Walking horses do. If pieces of something are in the boots, it causes pain if they bump a pole, so they are more careful, pick their legs up higher. I would think the rubbing it could do would also make the skin sore, so they wouldn't want to touch a pole.

Equibrit
Aug. 18, 2008, 06:49 PM
http://books.google.com/books?id=rcj2e6AdOZ8C&pg=PA129&lpg=PA129&dq=McLain+Ward+suspension+boots&source=web&ots=-KvivlJBrD&sig=_Ys0KVFNDLNhprUFr8m7j4LqtPY&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

Bogie
Aug. 18, 2008, 08:02 PM
Barney Ward had Shannon Stables in (I think) Brewster NY for years. Interesting old, old barn on about 5 - 7 acres. Very, very old fashioned. I'm sure it's not there anymore...

And, yes, he is a nefarious fellow...When I went there to get a job as a groom in the 70s, Barney was not there and another groom told me basically to leave now, it's not a good place to work as a young starry-eyed, horse lover teenaged girl. In hindsight, I'm glad I left and went to work for other nefarious individuals.

I was a working student in the '70s at a barn in North Salem. From what I heard, you made a very wise decision. Young, female grooms did not do well there :no:.

I think McLain Ward is a brilliant rider. I watched his Olympic rounds and I was in awe of his skill. I try not to think about the rest. And hope that acorn fell far from the tree in all respects other than his riding ability.

Lexi
Aug. 18, 2008, 08:04 PM
chio aachen 2003...
life time ban for maclain from the holy aachen grounds given his disrespectful behaviour - big deal overhere and hats off to the aachen jockey club (institution sponsoring/organizing the chio) for showing that much strength and consequence.

people loved them for having set a sign.

up until in 2004 george morris started strongest offenses and pressure (didn't really make himself many friends overhere...) forcing the aachen organisation to allow maclain back in since the chio 2004 was the official pre-selection trial for the athen olympics and he insisted the US team MUST be allowed to compete completly - ... said to have been told by the aachen org to f... off and consider ground rules of horesmanship PRIOR to let such things happen in his team ...
no chance.
morris got the FEI involved and they did what they can do best:
ignore priniciples of basic sport&horesmanship - aachen was forced to let maclain back in.

the nation was disgusted.
aachen is considered "holy grounds" and it was bad enough to have a creature like maclain back in - but on top of that having to accept that the FEI can force them to do what a single individual person wants to do in their own country - completely debasing...

so what happened was that a single reporter at the major german national TV station would show his protest by not commenting on maclain every time he would compete:
pretty cool thing, this reporter is one of the most popular sport commentators overhere and the only equestrian specialist - and basically he dared his job as this was a public news channel....

(you need to understand that aachen is the biggest thing overhere and the public TV owe it SEVEN days a week broadcast...)

so the public however loved him for that and it was amazing what SILENCE can do - he probably gained much more attention and tought the public more about maclains disbehaviour by simply saying NOTHING at all than he could have ever achieved by talking it all over again...

not sure if he got sh... ,too (by the channel, morris or the FEI. who knows? money is mighty...) but he did start commenting on maclain in the following year again - didn't seem to be delighted to have to do so but no more silent ward-approaches - too bad...


so as much as i am happy for the us-team to have won the gold medal today:
the fact that a man with a background like this is still active on horseback is a shame to say the least.
i switched off my lifestream when they were about to hand the medal on to him.

that much about horsemanship.
i'ld rather see him fight with wrestlers and his alikes.

uh, fanniemae, you might want to familiarize yourself with FEI rules. the rules are abundantly clear: Aachen had NO authority whatsoever to issue a "lifetime ban" on any particular team rider, and that is why, once it became an issue, the USA NF and the FEI forced the Aachen OC to comply with the rules.

From the FEI General Regulations in effect both then and now:

Article 121 – Entries
2. All competitors invited or nominated for an international event must be entered by their NFs. All foreign competitors selected by their NFs, up to the maximum specified in the schedule, must be accepted by the OC. OCs may not accept any other entries.the only way they could "legally" have such a ban would be to simply never again invite a US team to the CSIO, since the host OC does have the full right to pick which countries they will invite to a nations cup.

they could also send invitations for specifically named individual US riders, no team, and not include McLain on that list.

but if they invite a TEAM, then they MUST, per the rules, accept the team that that country's NF chooses to enter.

the ALRV has NO right to pick another country's team; contrary to what they believe, they are not "above the law."

again, this is a very basic principle in FEI rules. but I guess that doesn't sell papers….:rolleyes:

anuphillbattle
Aug. 18, 2008, 09:48 PM
Article 121 was probably written for discrimination. But IMO the boots incident doesn't fall under the discrimination thing. I'd bet the writer of the regulation never thought about having to ban anyone at a SPORT event!

2boys
Aug. 18, 2008, 09:57 PM
Yes! I remember showing at Sharonshire Farm when I was little! It was a nice place, right on the train tracks, right? There was a race track that we used to hack on. I have nothing to offer in regards to the other fun stuff. Just nostalgic about Sharonshire Farm. :cool:

talloaks
Aug. 18, 2008, 10:06 PM
http://books.google.com/books?id=rcj2e6AdOZ8C&pg=PA129&lpg=PA129&dq=McLain+Ward+suspension+boots&source=web&ots=-KvivlJBrD&sig=_Ys0KVFNDLNhprUFr8m7j4LqtPY&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result


Thanks for the great link!!:)

CBoylen
Aug. 18, 2008, 10:18 PM
And for the record, McL has matured tremendously since the Aachen incident. Having not been born with ice water in his veins - like some of the other riders - he has had to learn how to remain cool under pressure.
I think he's mastered it.
Absolutely. So many of the people that post on this board about their own mental struggles with riding and competing could learn so, so much from Mclain, or at least could personally appreciate how hard he works to prove himself, but they want to sit back and knock him instead....even on the day of his highest achievement.
That's pathetically sad.

CoolMeadows
Aug. 18, 2008, 10:41 PM
I worked for a guy who'd worked for Barney way back when and the stories (and scars!!) he told were.... well, something else! But Mclain is not his father. And to those who said they'd root for Germany over Mclain any day and the German who called him a creature, Germany's riders are not without their past including formal cruelty charges that stuck. Aachen... the story is there were plastic chips inside the boots when they were taken off. Of course wild speculations went around about whether they were from the footing, etc etc. Who knows, what's done is done and Mclain is a brilliant rider and a good enough horseman to have kept an amazing mare game and sharp over a long career. I can't stand people tearing him apart because of who his father is. Mclain's his own person and hardly a horse killer.

springer
Aug. 18, 2008, 10:51 PM
Oh people- lighten up and pop some popcorn. No one is disputing the fact that McLain is an awesome rider and competitor and that he did an amazing job for the US team. But his family does have a shady history and most people aren't ever going to forget it.
I for one think reading these threads is great evening entertainment while I wait for gymnastics to start! :)

Jane
Aug. 18, 2008, 10:54 PM
Absolutely. So many of the people that post on this board about their own mental struggles with riding and competing could learn so, so much from Mclain, or at least could personally appreciate how hard he works to prove himself, but they want to sit back and knock him instead....even on the day of his highest achievement.
That's pathetically sad.

Indeed, Chanda! It still amazes me how catty people can get, especially on this board, when most will never have any inkling of the kind of pressure he was under at the Games, much less having to make a living all these years under the shadow of what his father has done.

BTW, what is this about the STUDDED BOOTS? last I heard, it was plastic chips found on the ground that they suspected had fallen out of Benetton's boots, that is very different from studded boots. :rolleyes:

Pat
Aug. 18, 2008, 11:01 PM
Um, IIRC, they couldn't actually PROVE anything about the plastic chips incident. The USEF also "randomly" drug tested him an awful lot back after Pops got convicted. Hey, I thought that he should be 'watched' as it were, but they were less than subtle about it.

Unfortunatly, yes, people will be looking at him a bit cockeyed for a long time to come. He does seem to bear it well.

Foxtrot's
Aug. 18, 2008, 11:04 PM
"Great evening entertainment" reading threads that asassinate
someone's character, real or imagined. I don't think it is appropriate or mature.

pintopiaffe
Aug. 19, 2008, 01:09 AM
Yes! I remember showing at Sharonshire Farm when I was little! It was a nice place, right on the train tracks, right? There was a race track that we used to hack on. I have nothing to offer in regards to the other fun stuff. Just nostalgic about Sharonshire Farm. :cool:

Yes, it was a lovely track. And ABSOLUTELY the RR tracks. When I was very little, I would ride my bike to the 'circle' of road across the tracks and just watch the horses, I was far, far too afraid to cross the tracks. Later I was brave and would cross, but was always scared--Amtraks are impressive up close and personal!

By the time I worked there, the big barn was converted upstairs to offices, and the stalls were on the bottom level. I LOVED riding on the track. I was young enough still to 'role play' more than once. ;) It was also such great footing you could school on the track in all but the worst weather.

Becca. THAT'S who I knew! Way older than me. And away at school when I worked there. But her husband had the buisiness.

It's a housing development now. :(

Thanks to those who answered the question!

mazu
Aug. 19, 2008, 03:25 AM
And by the way, thank you for announcing the results of the competition that I have Tivo'd. I was trying to avoid the threads discussing the competition, but thanks to you I guess I don't need to bother watching after all.

Why on earth would you be browsing threads on the "2008 Beijing Olympic Games" board if you were trying to AVOID finding out the results? Could you share that logic with us?

YankeeLawyer
Aug. 19, 2008, 08:19 AM
Why on earth would you be browsing threads on the "2008 Beijing Olympic Games" board if you were trying to AVOID finding out the results? Could you share that logic with us?

I was looking for the TV schedule, actually. I was not aware when I looked that the team competition was complete. In the past, people have had the good graces to put something like "spoiler" in the subject line when discussing results.

Anyway Mazu, I have no idea why you are picking on me. But I guess since some of you just can't resist a pile on, even regarding one of our brightest riding stars, I should not be surprised.

Alagirl
Aug. 19, 2008, 08:20 AM
Um, IIRC, they couldn't actually PROVE anything about the plastic chips incident. The USEF also "randomly" drug tested him an awful lot back after Pops got convicted. Hey, I thought that he should be 'watched' as it were, but they were less than subtle about it.

Unfortunatly, yes, people will be looking at him a bit cockeyed for a long time to come. He does seem to bear it well.



Hmmm, I remember watching it on TV....story went that they had him in Goteborg but couldn't prove it and had to let him go...maybe that's why they had a keen eye on him in Aachen?

Let's just say it was a huge disappointment, after all he IS a brilliant rider, a pleasure to watch!

Glimmerglass
Aug. 19, 2008, 09:22 AM
Thankfully the connections of Mclain are able to enjoy the moment as it took a lot of work from an entire team and some luck to make it all happen.

The Journal News August 19, 2008 "Ward's victory a hit in Brewster, too" (http://lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080819/SPORTS01/808190390/-1/SPORTS)


They had watched the show-jumping competition streaming live on NBC's Olympic Web site and cheered as the Americans won a jumpoff against the Canadian team.

"McLain had the leadoff ride for the Americans," Erica McKeever said. "It was fast and clean and put a lot of pressure on the Canadians."

When Sapphire stood regally for the medal ceremony, everyone at Castle Hill was laughing and toasting.

"I cannot describe the feeling I have inside of me," Barney Ward said. "You wish for these things, you dream for these things, you build ... but how many of us realize it?"


Ward said that as much as his chemistry with Sapphire has led to their success, his teams in Hong Kong and in Brewster were keys as well.

"The four riders are great, but there are so many people to thank," Ward said.

In that case, he might need to invest in another bottle of Dom Perignon.

preferred
Aug. 19, 2008, 10:06 AM
Can we PLEASE just enjoy this great performance?

Seriously. I'm sure we all have something in our past to be ashamed of. Mclain is not his father. He is an american who went out, developed a strong partnership with that mare and showed up for the party ready to win and contributed great rounds to that effort. If not for the rider, then lets at least allow for some time to celebrate Sapphire's brilliant effort.




I doubt we have such "frigid" pasts........
Still doesn't excuse those "faulty" jumping boots mentioned earlier.

CatOnLap
Aug. 19, 2008, 10:12 AM
Spruce Meadows also banned him from their grounds but had to let him back also because he was part of the Canadian team
Just like Mclain, Eric ( Lamazing!) served his suspensions according to the national body and its rules and came back to prove he can do this sport clean of drugs, and good for him.
Do the crime, do the time, as they say, and both men have paid the price. And moved on to heights most of us can only watch from the sidelines.

That was one of the most exciting Olympic team jumping I've watched since 1968 and every horse and rider in that jump off is awesome. No matter what you think of the riders personally, you have to admire their great skill and heart when they're up to their eyeballs in their sport.

That being said, I know ( and probably you do too) of riders and horses who are equally awesome but who will never have the money it takes to begin to qualify. I wish the Olympics was not so elitist. Both our countries would do better fully funding promising athletes than all the money they spend on frivolous things like "peacekeeping", or as its more euphemistically called in the US, "National defence" ( when we both really mean war).

Glimmerglass
Aug. 19, 2008, 10:33 AM
Obviously it's small world with few of the names changing at the very height of the sport.

Look at this flashback article from Nov 1 (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B06E6D71E39F932A35752C1A9609582 60&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss), 1996 - almost 12 years ago:

It was Ward v. Millar then too :)


Last week McLain Ward built himself a miniature Puissance wall at the family's farm in Brewster, N.Y., and aimed his prodigy mount, Derry 5, in its direction. Derry 5 had not contended with a Puissance-style wall, but he cleared it at 6-6 and Ward let the lesson end there.

Ward loves the event.

''It's an art in itself,'' he said, ''and a good Puissance horse lives for the roar of the crowd. But you've got to have an incredibly brave horse because when that wall gets up to a certain height, it looks like the side of a building, it's almost unreal.''

That only five horses were entered in last night's Puissance came as no surprise to Canada's Ian Millar, who won it in 1995 with a 7-foot jump on his rookie mount, Play It Again. Millar and Play It Again won or tied all three Puissance events they attempted in 1995, but this year the rider is saving the horse for more important Grandprix classes.

''Sadly, it's become a bit of a dinosaur of a competition,'' Millar said. ''By its very nature, the Puissance, for most of the horses who try it, shows them what they can't jump, so it doesn't work wonders for their confidence. But I'll be the first to admit it's a real thrill to jump over something you can't see over.''

YankeeLawyer
Aug. 19, 2008, 10:58 AM
Just like Mclain, Eric ( Lamazing!) served his suspensions according to the national body and its rules and came back to prove he can do this sport clean of drugs, and good for him.
Do the crime, do the time, as they say, and both men have paid the price. And moved on to heights most of us can only watch from the sidelines.

That was one of the most exciting Olympic team jumping I've watched since 1968 and every horse and rider in that jump off is awesome. No matter what you think of the riders personally, you have to admire their great skill and heart when they're up to their eyeballs in their sport.

That being said, I know ( and probably you do too) of riders and horses who are equally awesome but who will never have the money it takes to begin to qualify. I wish the Olympics was not so elitist. Both our countries would do better fully funding promising athletes than all the money they spend on frivolous things like "peacekeeping", or as its more euphemistically called in the US, "National defence" ( when we both really mean war).

To my knowledge, McLain was NEVER accused of violating an FEI drug prohibition. You people throw around violations off the cuff without even thinking how damaging it can be to insinuate such things.

Regarding the sport being financially inaccessible -- people who don't have trust funds could take a cue from McLain, who worked his butt off and made it happen. He did not sit around saying woe is me when he had to make it on his own at age 18. If someone is really talented, they can make it happen if they are willing to work for it. Too many people think the world should be handed to them on a silver platter. I see plenty of that among young talented riders and it is incredibly annoying.

kkj
Aug. 19, 2008, 10:58 AM
Unfortunatly, yes, people will be looking at him a bit cockeyed for a long time to come. He does seem to bear it well.

I for one hope people always look at him cockeyed. He is a great rider but I still don't want him riding for my country. I don't trust him one iota and I think he is a bad representative for the US no matter how many clear rounds he can put in. The only reason I feel he will behave himself is he is scared of getting caught again.

And to this stuff about his father, it does greatly reflect on his integrity and human qualities. McClain calls Barney his coach. He still does. Just because daddy can't be there to cheer him on in person at the Olympics does not mean he is not training him. If my dad were a convicted wife beater do you think I would ask his advice on how to get along with my spouse? If I were a truly good horsepeson, I would distance myself from the horse murder even if he were my blood relative. I would not give him credit on national TV as I have seen McClain do.

Also, we need to keep rehashing this stuff because a lot of people do not know about it and some people have really short memories. (I myself could not remember the event rider who was riding Le Samuri)

I am glad we won the gold. I loved it when Laura Kraut said something to the effect of "Oh my God, we won a gold medal." McClain just walked along being his snide little self.

kkj
Aug. 19, 2008, 11:00 AM
Actually, if I remember correctly Yankee Lawyer, McClain was charged with drug violations at or about the same time as the studded boot incident.

springer
Aug. 19, 2008, 11:03 AM
"Great evening entertainment" reading threads that asassinate
someone's character, real or imagined. I don't think it is appropriate or mature.

But you're reading it too, aren't you??? If it's that offensive to you, then don't read the posts!

poltroon
Aug. 19, 2008, 11:04 AM
I'm not a McLain fan, but I have to acknowledge that Sapphire is one of my favorite horses ever. And anyone who can keep a horse like her happy and confident and at the top of her game for two Olympics and every year in between is doing right by that horse.

onthebit
Aug. 19, 2008, 11:06 AM
I for one hope people always look at him cockeyed. He is a great rider but I still don't want him riding for my country. I don't trust him one iota and I think he is a bad representative for the US no matter how many clear rounds he can put in. The only reason I feel he will behave himself is he is scared of getting caught again.

And to this stuff about his father, it does greatly reflect on his integrity and human qualities. McClain calls Barney his coach. He still does. Just because daddy can't be there to cheer him on in person at the Olympics does not mean he is not training him. If my dad were a convicted wife beater do you think I would ask his advice on how to get along with my spouse? If I were a truly good horsepeson, I would distance myself from the horse murder even if he were my blood relative. I would not give him credit on national TV as I have seen McClain do.

Also, we need to keep rehashing this stuff because a lot of people do not know about it and some people have really short memories. (I myself could not remember the event rider who was riding Le Samuri)

I am glad we won the gold. I loved it when Laura Kraut said something to the effect of "Oh my God, we won a gold medal." McClain just walked along being his snide little self.

My goodness that is a post full of vitriol! But as far as the last part about Mclain walking along being his snide self that is NOT what I saw. I saw a person so overcome with emotion he was on the verge of tears.

My god people, the guy just rode his heart out after years of work, preparation and dedication to play a pivotal role in winning a gold medal for his country and all people can do is trash him for anything and everything.

kkj
Aug. 19, 2008, 11:13 AM
OK I think I remember around 2000, the AHSA had a banned substance Cocaine (getting a horse high) charge against McClain but the suspension period was tacked onto his FEI ban so he would be ban-free in time for the Olympics. How nice of them.

I may have totally misread him yesterday. He may have been totally grateful and humble. Whenever I see him I think he is a snide little devil. The way he is talked up by every TV commentator for all of the horse crazy naive kids to aspire to be like, it makes me sick. Laura Kraut on the other hand was so outwardly enthusiastic and excited. That was very refreshing.

YankeeLawyer
Aug. 19, 2008, 11:29 AM
McClain just walked along being his snide little self.

Have you ever even been in the same room as this person? Because I have known him since he was a tiny kid on ponies and you have no idea what you are talking about.

YankeeLawyer
Aug. 19, 2008, 11:33 AM
OK I think I remember around 2000, the AHSA had a banned substance Cocaine (getting a horse high) charge against McClain but the suspension period was tacked onto his FEI ban so he would be ban-free in time for the Olympics. How nice of them.

I may have totally misread him yesterday. He may have been totally grateful and humble. Whenever I see him I think he is a snide little devil. The way he is talked up by every TV commentator for all of the horse crazy naive kids to aspire to be like, it makes me sick. Laura Kraut on the other hand was so outwardly enthusiastic and excited. That was very refreshing.

Wow. The Olympiads should be sure to check in with you before they dare mount the podium, to make sure their "reactions" meet *your* image of how one should be suitably moved.

MIKES MCS
Aug. 19, 2008, 11:38 AM
Simply amazing. The man (McLain) rode three near-flawless rounds over Olympic courses that claimed many, many point casualties (just loved the refusals by not one, but two German riders this morning) then rode a gorgeous clear round in a high-pressure jump off and you vultures can't wait to come out start throwing crap on his achievements! :mad:

If you want to condemn every child for a parents' misdeeds you might as well resign yourself to creating a very long list of unfortunate offspring. His father's crimes do not deserve to be mentioned on the same day McLain rode his boots off for the country.

McLain was the superstar of our team's Olympic competition and he did so with grace and style. Without him, we would not have won gold. I am incredibly proud he's on our side!! :)

Thank you Tiramit for this post, I agree 1000% and I thought after 4 pages of crap it needed to be repeated. I too am incredibly proud of our team and McLAin

SuperSTB
Aug. 19, 2008, 11:44 AM
Why care that a few people discuss the history of the Ward's? What happened- happened- and you can't change it. If you want to sweep it into history long forgotten- go ahead but it doesn't make is not happen.

MW won gold w/ the team- excellent news- and the whole round was exciting to watch by the way even knowing the results. He is a fabulous rider however he is still not without controversy. Many riders are not without controversy. I personally enjoyed the contributions of EACH of the team taking that not more was any less or more important than the other.

And you're right- he is not his father. But as is human nature, some will have lingering thoughts on how far did the apple fall from the tree. Hopefully it was very far...

BAC
Aug. 19, 2008, 12:02 PM
I haven't read the entire thread so this may have already been mentioned but back in the days when Barney was at Shannon Stable there was a horse showing in the open jumper divisions by the name of McLain Street (he was shown by either Johnny Bell or Sonny Brooks, can't remember which). And I think the horse was named after a street in the Bedford/Mt. Kisco/Brewster area. I always wondered if that is where Barney and his wife got the name McLain for their son.

YankeeLawyer
Aug. 19, 2008, 12:07 PM
And you're right- he is not his father. But as is human nature, some will have lingering thoughts on how far did the apple fall from the tree. Hopefully it was very far...

That kind of comment speaks for itself. Perhaps we should resurrect the Salem witch trials?

justalittlex
Aug. 19, 2008, 12:18 PM
I read the whole thread and thought at first it was just sniping, and unnecessary, unkind. Then I started following some of the links to sources like the New York Times archives (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9803E5DF1639F933A05753C1A9639582 60&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all). I never knew about these showjumping atrocities in the 1980's and 1990's. And the owners were doing it to their own horses, according to what I just read. This makes me so sick.

I thought stories like that were just part of horse crime novels. I remember there was a terrible horse crime scene in Illinois in the 80's, but this? Considering how the choice of teammates involves politics as well as talent, I would think the hideous backstory of the father (does McClain really claim him as his coach?) would make the son an undesirable member of the team, regardless of talent. What the father went to jail for is about as bad as it gets in the world of horses.

LexInVA
Aug. 19, 2008, 12:20 PM
I don't believe that was McLain. Do you have a link to a report on that or a listed violation?

It's true. He was fined 13K by the governing bodies back in 99 though the amount of cocaine found was (according to him) incredibly small. Unfortunately, there's no documents available concerning the lab results but it is not uncommon for labs to get questionable results from samples that test positive with very small amounts of banned substances. It can be due to anything from poor sample collection to lab contamination. Drug testing is as much an art as it is an exact science.

YankeeLawyer
Aug. 19, 2008, 12:33 PM
It's true. He was fined 13K by the governing bodies back in 99 though the amount of cocaine found was (according to him) incredibly small. Unfortunately, there's no documents available concerning the lab results but it is not uncommon for labs to get questionable results from samples that test positive with very small amounts of banned substances. It can be due to anything from poor sample collection to lab contamination. Drug testing is as much an art as it is an exact science.

Thank you, Lex. I am familiar with lab contamination; anyone who is not should read the book about the Duke rape case. I do know that there were some instances of positive cocaine results that were attributed to feed contamination -- e.g., drug-using or dealing groom / handler failed to wash hands before feeding, and it was thought that residue transferred from the hands to the feed. I don't know if that was McLain's case.

Regarding the boot incident -- to the person who claimed to have seen it on TV, I HIGHLY doubt that as MW was flagged during a bandage/boot control inspection that took place while the horse was cooling out, and these are not televised typically. Note that the inspectors claim they saw a couple of pieces of plastic fall from ONE boot and were not able to prove it. McLain denied it and took and passed a polygraph, as did his groom.

Glimmerglass
Aug. 19, 2008, 12:39 PM
So should we expect this same "apples doesn't fall too far ..." chatter if one of the Jayne kids was on the US Olympic squads in the future? How disappointing.

I recall when McLain posted on this BB in defense of himself and his family name years ago now. I'm one of the few who has been here since the beginning. So I guess I've seen about all the anti-McLain diatribes over the years.

Don't like him? So be it. Think he shouldn't represent the US? So be it. Kobe has been an Olympian, accused rapist, and guilty of infidelity with his wife. Yet the masses have never demanded the removal of him from representing the US.

Alagirl
Aug. 19, 2008, 12:40 PM
LOL, no, they don't televise the boot whatever thing, but they had him pulled so fast made your head spin. Oh and I was looking forward to see him.

Glad you like the guy. I don't and therefor I have to judge by what I see - you know, the company you keep, etc.

Calico
Aug. 19, 2008, 12:48 PM
More big names in horse sports used to interact with this board than interact with it now, and I suspect it has something to do with contentious threads like this. It's sad that their presence is no longer found.

McLain Ward was very reasonable and even humble when he posted here, while taking some pretty hard criticism with grace. His demeanor was impressive, in my opinion.

Foxtrot's
Aug. 19, 2008, 12:54 PM
Down at the track so many horses were coming in with positive tests for cocaine they finally tracked it down to grooms who used cocaine putting on the tongue ties. That tiny bit from the grooms' hands transferred to the tongue ties and then into the horses.

With all your research abilities, just to put this on a level playing field, why don't all you folks badmouthing MW check out how many other althletes have had infractions, yellow cards, etc. Then you can have a field day. Some of your faves may not come out so clean.

Cinnybren
Aug. 19, 2008, 01:01 PM
Glimmerglass and Calico, I concur. I too remember McLain posting a few years back and he was reasonable and humble.

Congratulations to all the members of the US Showjumping team. Well done!

CAJumper
Aug. 19, 2008, 01:03 PM
More big names in horse sports used to interact with this board than interact with it now, and I suspect it has something to do with contentious threads like this. It's sad that their presence is no longer found.

Agreed. I think it's just given the board a bad rep in a lot of ways...and certainly lost some interesting and informative members of the community.

I am just saddened by the tone of this entire thread...it's really rather pathetic. :no: Let's try to focus on the positive, and not drag an Olympic gold through the gossip mill like this.

wanderlust
Aug. 19, 2008, 01:05 PM
If some of you had any idea what your very favorite riders/trainers do to get their horses to jump around clean, well... a couple of nonexistent plastic chips in a boot would be the least of your concerns. But continue to live in your own little world and malign McLain, an absolutely stellar rider and a very nice person, who just anchored the US showjumping team for gold for the second time, for the sins of his father. A father who, while I cannot in any way defend the actions that got him banned, was amazingly kind and generous to a dear friend when he hit rock bottom and had nowhere else to turn.

Ruby G. Weber
Aug. 19, 2008, 01:11 PM
Yeah Team!!!

Can't wait for the individual. Could be some of the best jumping anyone has seen in decades! Hickstead, Sapphire, Authentic, Cumano, Ito are all jumping fantastic. Cedric's matured with every round and he's got two days to think about it! And let's not forget Shutterfly - did he qualify?

Moderator 1
Aug. 19, 2008, 01:46 PM
It appears that the OP's question has been answered and much of this thread has covered a number of topics unrelated to that query. Feel free to search past threads for information on issues involving MW or his father. If, with that information in hand, further discussion is required, a new thread can be started in whatever forum is appropriate to the question.

Thanks,
Mod 1