Article on Cayla Kitayama [Archive]

RAyers

Aug. 15, 2008, 01:07 AM

I made my opinion known on the ESPN thread.

I decided that I will put my college professor cap on and think about the student and student athletes who I have taught and who impressed me the most. Except for Mike and Sean, each student is 21 or younger.

Mike: Iraq war veteran here on the GI-Bill with an 8 year-old daughter who has cancer. He flew to Houston every weekend to be with her for treatment. He worked ahead in homework and labs every time he knew he was not going to be around.

Sean: auto mechanic who was finally trying to become what he always wanted. He wasn't the smartest but he came to my office every day to work on problems and after every test he and I would go over the details.

Asham: Wanted to improve his grade on the final in-class test. I told him to redo the questions he had wrong on the test with full written explanations of the theory and application of the problems and why he got them wrong. Well, he went back and over the weekend re-worked EVERY problem on EVERY test with out me asking. He proved he didn't need to take the final and got the A for the class.

Becky: NCAA Division II swimmer with a bad heart. Spring break for her was radio frequency ablation to repair fibrillation. She still did every lab and homework. Never missed a test.

Brian: wants to go to med school. Works in my lab, volunteers at the hospital as an EMT, has a 4.0 average, won a research scholarship to pay bills. He shows me every day new insight and has made a huge impact on my foundation work without constant oversight.

Nolan: Top graduate in the department last year. Also won a research scholarship, AAU drug-free power lifter. Wants to be a surgeon. Works for a medical device company while getting his Masters. Went into the foundry, took gold his father mined, alloyed it, cast it and made 2 new wedding bands for his parents as a "fun" project during our Friday Free Pours where students get to work in the "steel mill."

What is it about each one of these students? They went above and beyond by their OWN efforts without parental support. They showed me the person they are deep down by how far they were willing to go on their own.

I'm sorry, but from the article, if Cayla was one of my students, I don't get the impression she is impressive other than riding. Yes, she is an impressive rider.

Reed

Thames Pirate

Aug. 15, 2008, 03:26 AM

Well put, Reed.

We each have someone who inspires us, and some of them in quite remarkable ways.

My sister has endured some serious poor fortunes (loss of horses through freak circumstances including a tornado and leukemia, an unscrupulous "fellow" eventer who sold a minor a dangerous horse [which she sold honestly to a pro], and tendon/colic surgery). She has taken the high road with her horse so many times--insisting on more diagnostics to find a problem she felt, but vets couldn't see (she was right), refusing to move him up because she wasn't sure he felt confident (in spite of great results), etc. While she is somewhat lucky financially, her horses are self-made (nothing over 4 digits in price), and she works very hard to be perfect. Her standards are SO high in all three phases of riding as well as her horsemanship. All through this, she completed college with great grades, led numerous campus organizations, and volunteered for those less fortunate.

My best friend has never been able to afford lessons and has never been able to afford competition. She rides at least at Training Level on a cheap baby she made herself (though she can't compete him), works 3 jobs to pay his board, and has turned down cheaper board because the standard of care was not good enough. She has applied her knowledge of kineseology and her natural athleticism to her riding, has worked off lessons, has done a lot of reading/watching/listening to glean what she can, and has improved at a dramatic rate. She has done this while battling mental illness as well as the effects of a car accident. She's also taking classes online to work towards an eventual BS and beyond to become a physical therapist.

I am sure Cayla is a good rider (haven't seen her), a grounded and talented individual, and has put in some hard work. However, I kept waiting for inspiration from the article, and it never came. I kept waiting for the "hard road," but I never saw that. Overall, I was not impressed with Cayla in any way (other than admiring anyone who can get around Rolex).

If the USEA is serious about a cultural shift, these are not the types of riders they should highlight. Little girls in PC will be begging daddy for an Ekser of their very own. They will be begging mommy to move to VA like Laine or to be allowed to skimp (or skip) on college in order to train with the BNR of the moment. They will be wanting to fly around the country regularly to compete without riding hard and doing the dirty work--after all, Cayla did it! Is this the message the USEA wants to send?

We should be highlighting people like my sister, who has been at Novice for 10 years for various reasons. We should be picking people who retire at competitions and run interviews about why they decided to call it a day. We should interview riders who have successfully moved up to Prelim on their first try and ask them what helped them know they were ready. We should interview riders of all levels and talk about hours spent in the saddle. We should feature a Beg Novice kid or a Training level adult ammie on the cover of the USEA mag. More importantly, we should offer funding to those who have proven their HORSEMANSHIP, not just their ability to ride a ready-made horse. The current YR program gives more support to the haves and continues to shut out the have-nots, making our sport even more elitist (let's face it, nobody makes it to Prelim in high school without some serious parental support, either in horse, coaching, competition fees, transportation, etc).

I can't remember a profile in recent history of anyone not competing at the top levels. Many of these profiles are about up and comers, future pros, and people with opportunities most of us would dream to have. When they start profiling the people they want us to be, they might be able to begin to change the culture.

deltawave

Aug. 15, 2008, 07:58 AM

Gosh, Reed, those stories gave me goosebumps and what a great thing to read at the beginning of a busy day! :)

The article portrays the girl as bright, committed and a good egg, but I also agree that her "road to the top" sounds anything but rough. Still, there's nothing about the article that makes me dislike or resent her--now, however, I'd love to see Eventing publish some stories of people who really DO make it happen minus the silver spoon. And here's a suggestion--I don't mind if they aren't doing Rolex at the age of 25. :)

On another tangent, I actually think it would be cool, in an educational/historical way, to read articles on the real Greats: Bruce, Denny, Phillip, and how they got their starts. It's all been published elsewhere, probably, but I love reading stories on how BNRs got their start. :yes:

Fence2Fence

Aug. 15, 2008, 08:03 AM

I think the article was very enlightening. Don't snort. I can hear you. I'll tell you why:

Eventers cherish the pull yourself up by the bootstraps attitude, sweat until you bleed, gritty type attitude, the stories of the half starved $250 OTTB that wins Rolex. The title was a tried and true for these stories of yesteryear.

But there is more money in the sport, more school masters to buy, and now there are eventer princesses out there. That story was the Eventer Princess story, and hold tight folks, because that's going to be a more common story.

USEA inadvertantly slapped their tried in true eventer grit title on a Eventer Princess story.

Very enlightening in regards to the shift in eventing, eh?

flyingchange

Aug. 15, 2008, 08:05 AM

I read it while I was on the toilet and I can't think of a more apropot place to have done so.

deltawave

Aug. 15, 2008, 08:05 AM

I don't think it's just eventers who cherish the "rags to riches" stories. I think it's human beings in general. :)

thumbsontop

Aug. 15, 2008, 08:08 AM

It was interesting, but a little disheartening. My 14 yr old and I read it together and her take on it was "See? That's why I'm never going to get anywhere." I want to hear the worked-hard-paid-off stories.

Cayla's comments almost made it sound like she admits that her current horse is too much for her, or at least a challenge for her to ride. To compete at that high of a level on a horse that she's not entirely comfortable with makes me a little nervous, and wouldn't be my choice for myself or my own daughter, but I don't know enough about her situation to comment any more than that.

CiegoStar

Aug. 15, 2008, 08:18 AM

I emailed Jo Whitehouse to let her know I thought the story was a joke. To be fair to Cayla, she is a beautiful rider and it doesn't appear that SHE ever claimed to have a "rough road" - that was the work of an editor trying to make something compelling out of a not-very-compelling story.

Cayla took the wrong fence in stadium this year at Rolex. It was the mistake of nerves and inexperience, and I'm sure she learned from it. However it was a mistake with very little consequence, except she was eliminated; speaking generally, what other more threatening mistake might she make that could hurt herself or her horse, thanks to her inexperience? She may never make such a mistake ... but it hardly seems prudent to learn from mistakes at the 4 star level.

Rescue_Rider9

Aug. 15, 2008, 08:38 AM

I dont get this eventing Mag of which everyone speaks. I suppose I should find this thing since I didn't even know it existed, but Reed's stories were awesome. I too loved them and they have all inspired me because in a week I will be a struggling college student (my college is paid for though because of scholarships). I just hope I can be as wonderful as all these students you named! About this girl, I dont know much about eventing and I don't know much about her, but what I do know is I quit my dream on being a hunter princess because my parents refused to pay that much for a horse. They told me I would have to ride the cheap horses they bought me a deal with it and I couldn't have the best just handed to me. If I wanted it, I worked for it. I loved eventing because 1. it was thrilling and 2. no one had to have the best handed to them to win. I could buy a horse for $400 (which I did) and do great on her(which we did because we got 1st our 1st time out!). That is what I love about eventing. I didnt have to have the most expensive horse or the best clothes or tack. My nice little wintec that fits all of the horses I ride works perfect. I didnt have to spend 4k on a saddle! Thats what eventing is about to me. Earning it. Not having it handed to you. So to me, good rider or not. If she didnt have to work so hard for it. She isnt going to be my hero

RAyers

Aug. 15, 2008, 08:57 AM

I want to add that over the years, several folks from COTH have contacted me about becoming an engineer and how to also have the horse dream. There are, again, some wonderful stories of young riders having to figure out how to make choices (be it due to budget or time or ability). I have "met" young riders who are working hard to be able to do it all or who are wanting to give back to the sport before they even have taken anything from the sport!

All I know is that there are young riders out there who really do live up to the "ideals" that Thames Pirate and deltawave describe as real eventers. They may never ride Rolex or make the big time, I am confident in their futures.

Reed

LisaB

Aug. 15, 2008, 09:01 AM

I think it comes down to what do we want to portray, a role model if you will, for those kids who want to make it to the top. While Kayla seems to be a delightful girl, she is not what I would want for a role model if I had a kid. And all those poor kids who have a dinky little horse but have dreams of the Olympics are kinda being disheartened. They think they need this kind of lifestyle. Not true. But it certainly helps!
I love my instructor. She is a pull up by the bootstraps kind of person. She's taken some very quirky horses to the top. She went to Rolex at 18 with one of those quirky ones. She made all her horses and such. And she's so much better of a rider/instructor/horseperson for it. She soaks in knowledge. Reads about horses like her latest conditioning techniques. Listens to me about how I'm tweaking it for my guy. And on and on. She hasn't been to Rolex in awhile as we all know horses. But I think her story would definitely be inspirational to those kids who don't have Kayla's money.

LexInVA

Aug. 15, 2008, 09:06 AM

I read it while I was on the toilet and I can't think of a more appropriate place to have done so.

Best. Quote. Ever. :lol:

Fence2Fence

Aug. 15, 2008, 09:07 AM

Rescue--it's the USEA mag. If you aren't a member, you can just pay for a subscription. I think it's $25.

KSevnter

Aug. 15, 2008, 09:10 AM

Like Reed, I discussed my thoughts on the article on the ESPN thread in relation to Bruce Davidson's comments.

Deltawave, most of the life stories of the eventing greats are on the us eventing website. I forget how I found them. But Bruce's involves his parents making him have to work for it so he would buy a pony make it sell it and buy another, until his project horse ended up being Irish Cap.

I agree that there has been a cultural shift and I couldn't really find a way to articulate it before. Some on the other thread mistakenly thought that I was condemning those who have money. That really isn't it at all. It is the concept of giving everything possible to one's children and not making them work for anything. Just because you have the funds does not mean the best thing for your child's development as a human is to give them everything. This is where the shift is, this was not anywhere to be seen in the sport as little as 10 years ago.

There is so much value in having to struggle a bit, even if it means having a nice young talented horse that blows up in dressage or gets eliminated x-c. As a human being the lessons of perserverence and partnership are far more valuable than making it to the top quickly.

This is the cultural shift, it isn't that money has entered the sport...let's not kid ourselves it has always been somewhat costly to ride at the upper levels. It is that culturally it is now acceptable to purchase a competing 2-3-4 star horse for yourself or child.

I have no doubt she is a good, talented rider and by all accounts a lovely person. She must be to get around Rolex, regardless of the horse under her. I am more intrigued by the direction the sport has taken and the possible link it has to the accidents of late.

Rabbit351w

Aug. 15, 2008, 09:17 AM

flame suit ziiiiiiiipping. and zipped.

While I don't disagree that Cayla is not the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" type of eventer, that doesn't make her any more less of one. She has been going solidly at advanced since at least 2005 (that's as far back as I can see on USEA), and it seems we all agree Esker also has experience at that level.

The concern about how money has taken over the sport, as far as I am aware, is based on the concern that riders are buying talented horses that are too much for them to handle, not that that it's unfair that susie's daddy bought her a made packer, but I could only afford a fresh off the track 4 year old. That concern, while a valid legitimate one that I do indeed share, is not appropriately aimed at Cayla. I hadn't heard of her until Rolex (I don't follow the upper levels too closely), but upon checking her record, she seems to have more than proved her ability at the advanced and 4* level.

Ciegostar wrote "Cayla took the wrong fence in stadium this year at Rolex. It was the mistake of nerves and inexperience, and I'm sure she learned from it. However it was a mistake with very little consequence, except she was eliminated; speaking generally, what other more threatening mistake might she make that could hurt herself or her horse, thanks to her inexperience? She may never make such a mistake ... but it hardly seems prudent to learn from mistakes at the 4 star level." Have we so quickly forgotten Kristin Bachman's identical mistake at rolex (her first 4*) last year? While we may sympathize more readily with Kristen because her daddy didn't buy Griffin as a made 4* horse, that doesn't make her mistake any different than Cayla's. Everyone makes mistakes at every level, criticizing riders for making silly rider errors that don't pose a safety risk is petty.

Although I found the article interesting, I can understand that some of you would rather hear about the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" type of eventer, and that's fine. As deltawave said, that's human nature. I just think it's inappropriate to criticize the integrity of a rider who has been fortunate. I have never been that fortunate rider, and you can bet I am green with envy over the thought of being able to own/ride a packer at any level let alone a FEI packer, but that doesn't make me any better of an eventer or any more worthy of the title.

ok, my zipper is still up, right?

JERinNJ

Aug. 15, 2008, 09:26 AM

I've seen Cayla ride a few times, on both her previous *** horse Docksider and Esker. Her riding skills are not to be questioned, and she is a delightful girl who always has a smile on her face XC.

It was like watching My Super Sweet 16 on MTV... ya watch the super rich keep recieving in their super fabulous lives, and think "wouldnt that be nice." People shoudlnt be disheartened for feel jealousy from this article. Everyone has their own path to chase or follow, and this is just Cayla's. I didnt really mind the story, as I am sure Cayla has worked extremely hard to make it to this level, but one has to wonder why another story, even one of slightly less privleged Emilee Libby or even another newcomer to Rolex, Kelly Sult, couldnt have been written instead. Sure Kelly and Sult dont have the same flash and polish as the other pairs, and I in no way condone the "fast track" minimum requirements she took to Rolex, but that is a much more inspirational story IMHO.

GotSpots

Aug. 15, 2008, 09:42 AM

I confess I am horrified by some of these posts - to a large extent, they sound pretty ugly. A lot of the finger pointing here has more than a whiff of jealousy.

Cayla is a sweet, kind, lovely girl. She works very hard, she absolutely adores her horses, and she is consistently pleasant, cheerful, and friendly to everyone around her. I don't pretend to know her well - I have only interacted with her at shows, but I am consistently impressed by how mature, well-spoken, and thoughtful she is. We ran into her and her mom at the Fork this spring and the first things out of her mouth were unadulterated praise for her horse, her coaches, and a genuine interest in how others' rides were going. She genuinely loves her horses and does everything she can for them.

Has she had some economic advantages? Likely. I don't pretend to know anything about her finances. But that's not the end all and be all. Why would anyone begrudge someone trying to make a goal as safely as possible, with a horse that has mileage at the level? Isn't it actually safer to learn from a horse who has some experience, than try to both figure it out at the same time? Besides, Esker is not a packer by any means, nor are some of the other horses she has ridden. She has worked her tail off learning how to ride them well, and learning how to make the decisions that happen so fast at that level. I'm sure she's made mistakes -- we ALL have. But she has accepted responsibility for them, learned from them, and never blamed her horse or her coach or anyone else.

She's a class act, and a good kid. She got herself through college in three years, and she's committed to learning and improving her riding. I was pleased to read the profile, and interested to learn more about someone who I've always thought was lovely when I ran into her at the shows.

CiegoStar

Aug. 15, 2008, 09:45 AM

Have we so quickly forgotten Kristin Bachman's identical mistake at rolex (her first 4*) last year? While we may sympathize more readily with Kristen because her daddy didn't buy Griffin as a made 4* horse, that doesn't make her mistake any different than Cayla's. Everyone makes mistakes at every level, criticizing riders for making silly rider errors that don't pose a safety risk is petty.

I have not forgotten Kristin. I watched her make that mistake; it was heartbreaking! I’m in no way trying to claim that riders of all levels don’t make mistakes at times. But in light of everything that has happened in the last year, particularly among up-and-coming young riders, I can’t just take the Cayla article at face value and think “what a lovely girl, see you at Rolex next year!” There are other, serious considerations at play here. Not that I really expect the US Eventing magazine to honestly go into them.

ETA: GotSpots: I don't think anyone is being critical of Cayla. The editing of the piece was unfortunate. They were trying to tease an angle out of thin air. In the current atmosphere of eventing it's just a bit untoward. If they had just said "here's a young rider to watch," I think everyone would be fine with it - it's the lame "rough road" theme they tried to sell.

RAyers

Aug. 15, 2008, 09:52 AM

No need for the flame suit.

Nobody s questioning Cayla's abilities. We are questioning the idea that she is to be held up as was presented a "Rough Road to the Top." Where was the rough road in the article? I saw no presentation of tribulation to be overcome. Instead, the article to some highlights the split in the sport when put in context with Bruce Davidson's comments and the recent safety issues.

This sport has drifted away from experienced riders. Consider in Sydney the average age of the team was 39 years-old! No 20 somethings in that group. Now, as money comes in where younger riders can buy a ready-made 4* horse, they no longer get, nor need the experience to be able to play at Rolex. Experience is what you need when things go downhill on XC, and YEARS of experience is needed the higher you get in levels. Look at Mark Todd's ride at the Olympics. He has SO much experience that he can take 8 years off and still canter around like a hunter.

Cayla is the new eventer. She is educationally based, not experience based. In years passed the young riders at Rolex grew up only riding. That was their life so they had more years of experience than most of us ever get. Cayla, according to the article did not start until the age of 9 and was not serious until high school. That means she has, at best maybe 7 years of experience as a serious eventer and only 3 years at the upper levels. That is not a lot and implies she HAS to RELY on her trainers to tell her what to do (e.g. education).

Again, where is the "Rough Road?" The horses and trainers were bought for her. Her school is paid for along with her travel to and from events.

Feel free to take what I say with a grain of salt because in the same issue, on page 7, is a picture of me standing at the new Tiki Bar at Lamplight ordering a beer. Obviously, I go old school for eventing. ;)

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pony grandma

Aug. 15, 2008, 10:01 AM

I emailed Jo Whitehouse to let her know I thought the story was a joke. To be fair to Cayla, she is a beautiful rider and it doesn't appear that SHE ever claimed to have a "rough road" - that was the work of an editor trying to make something compelling out of a not-very-compelling story.

I agree, I admired Cayla's ride at Rolex. She is a kind empathetic rider despite how she got there. I wouldn't see her as a struggling rider. Young, talented and lucky. Not being major east coast savy, I stood at the warm-up ring at the KHP for the Hagyard GP Challenge last year admiring a young lady rider on a very nice gray mare - also the kind, empathetic type of rider that I like to see. It turned out to be Georgina Bloomberg. An excellent rider despite how she got there also. Kudos to them for really being good, not just riding the money.

But I agree that a story needs to be tailored for just what it is.

Thames Pirate

Aug. 15, 2008, 10:36 AM

It seems to me the USEA is trying to build up credibility for future team riders by giving us a spoon full of baloney ("rough road"). Credibility is EARNED, not bestowed--by hanging on by one leg and scrambling to get back into the saddle, by going around Badminton with one stirrup, by winning Rolex 3 times, by making the team for the first time on a $600 auction horse, by competing at the top while holding a "real" job, etc.

I will say it again because it bears repeating--if the USEA wants a cultural shift, they need to highlight something they want younger riders to emulate. They need to talk about pulling up, not just from Rolex, but from your local Novice level HT, because your horse is having a bad day. They need to give stories of people who spend a decade or more at Novice because they lack funding/talent/right horse/opportunity. As long as they're showcasing upper level riders, pick good ones (like Bruce's story). Better yet, choose someone NOT at the upper levels (gasp)!

The USEA should be giving examples of what they want to see in their riders at shows--riders who have taken the time to build in a fifth wheel, riders tho have taken the time to educate themselves and their horses in the art of XC (whether through other types of riding or extreme eposure/practice of XC principles), riders who make the hard call to check for something more because they feel what a vet can't see yet.

Until that time, I will continue to distrust the USEA, read the mag with a grain of salt, and keep plugging away at my own dreams of Prelim. If being a bit cynical causes me to not hold the USEA's choices of example in the highest esteem, that's too bad. I don't actually know Cayla, and while I wish her the best and she sounds like a lovely person, I don't respect her like I do Toddy or Ian Stark or some of the other "old school" crowd. I will not bestow credibility on her without her earning it. If that's what the USEA wanted, they failed.

Moesha

Aug. 15, 2008, 10:41 AM

GotSpots I'm with you....and I am really shocked at the basis for this thread and discussion.

What is wrong with them having an article about her? Are people to suffer or meet some subjective standards of accomplishment to deserve credit?

I'm not sure I understand what the problem is or the right to criticize or write editors complaining about the article...under what bases? Beccause she has a nice life, nice horses and rides well?

Rough road?Maybe the wrong words ...unless you know her or her personal story...is all relative. Are we know going to weigh peoples hardships to see who deserves more sympathy or who deserves more credit? No one doubts that someone who has had to work hard for every little thing that many take for granted is not due an amazing amount of respect....but because someone has had more opportunites and takes those opportunites and utilizes then to the maximum deserves just as much credit...just different ways of being successful.

Thames Pirate

Aug. 15, 2008, 10:54 AM

GotSpots I'm with you....and I am really shocked at the basis for this thread and discussion.

We all said she sounds like a lovely person, and I'll take GotSpots' word about that since I've never seen her in person. Please don't think we're bashing Cayla.

What is wrong with them having an article about her? Are people to suffer or meet some subjective standards of accomplishment to deserve credit?

No, but kids will read this and want to be like Cayla--and they will think this is the only way. Reed and I were giving examples of the types of people they could consider having a "rough road," not the ONLY people they could profile.

I'm not sure I understand what the problem is or the right to criticize or write editors complaining about the article...under what bases? Beccause she has a nice life, nice horses and rides well?

Again, nobody is against Cayla. We're against the message--an entire magazine about safety is undermined by a profile of the very thing people don't want to see. It works for Cayla, and that's great--but it is tough to articulate the other factors that make it work for her--mainly the fact that she has talent. Nobody wants to read that "so-and-so made it because of his/her enormous talent and opportunity, so they make it sound like a bit of hard work and some money is all it takes. In the ESPN piece, Bruce pointed out that it takes a different amount of work/opportunity for different riders based partly on inherent ability, but we in the eventing world don't like to admit that.

The problem with the article is its message and its contrast to what the USEA claims it wants (cultural shift/safety focus throughout the mag).

Rough road?Maybe the wrong words ...unless you know her or her personal story...is all relative. Are we know going to weigh peoples hardships to see who deserves more sympathy or who deserves more credit? No one doubts that someone who has had to work hard for every little thing that many take for granted is not due an amazing amount of respect....but because someone has had more opportunites and takes those opportunites and utilizes then to the maximum deserves just as much credit...just different ways of being successful.

Sure, but the article didn't tell us HOW she utilized her opportunities, and I would say her success is still in its early stages. Yes, I expect we'll see more of Cayla, and as I said, I wish her the best. I tend to be more for those YRs who have actually completed or are working toward college, anyway. I just think the timing, the slant, and especially the fact that it was one of many just like it are the problems.

tx3dayeventer

Aug. 15, 2008, 11:00 AM

I'm with GotSpots on this one.

I would much rather do MY 1st 4* on a horse that has already been there and done that than a green-to-the-level horse.

I take this issue very personally b/c I know that if my parents could have (my dad's business plummeted in stock market crash on 9/11), I am positive that they would have bought me a 4* packer to take out my first time at Rolex, so I could take my mare (who had never done a 4*) the year after or to a fall 4*. They would have done this as to assure that I would arrive at the finish line in one piece (figuratively speaking, as I was an accomplished rider at the previous levels) and still consumed by the love of the sport and not fear by being on an horse that lacked confidence at that level. Any parent that had the means to do so I am sure would gladly. So if that had happened, and life didn't have a different plan in mind for me, then ya'll would be talking about me in this same manner. I find it very discouraging. Her parents tried to do all they could to help her be confident at the hardest level this sport offers and ya'll ridicule her for it.

Maybe they titled the article incorrectly. I don't know. But that should not take away from her accomplishment, I mean she did complete a 4* cross country course with no jump penalties. How many of you can say that?

We all wish we could have a 4* horse in our barn that we know we could go out on XC and have a fantastic FUN ride. Isn't that what it is about?

Take this for what its worth. Oh and this was when Rolex was still a Long-Format 4* so you actually really had to ride your butt off and couldn't just buy the horse, hop on and do a few HT's and onto Rolex.

ETA: I did not see Cayla's Rolex ride nor have I seen her compete b/c I was already out of it before she got to Int.

RAyers

Aug. 15, 2008, 11:01 AM

Moesha,

Unless you have been part of the safety effort and all of the discussions ongoing, it is hard to understand what is being brought up here. I suggest you find the recent ESPN E.60 expose on eventing safety and note Bruce Davidson's comments on how young riders are buying their way to the top on horses they may not have the experience to rider effectively at those levels (hence accidents such as Liane Ashker's). Unlike the h/j world, a mistake can cost a life, not a rail.

So, besides the unfortunate choice of words in the title, there is a deeper issue that must be considered as this sport evolves from one form to another. This article, just like Darren Chiachia has become a public example of these deep issues.

Read through the ENTIRE issue and you see what I am talking about. Even in outline of the Safety Summit talks about harder qualifications to increase the emphasis that experience must be included at upper levels.

This is NOT about having a safe horse to get around Rolex. This is about a rider who, while successful lacks the real, long term mileage over years. This is what Bruce Davidson, Denny Emerson, and many others are saying. Like I pointed out, a 21 year-old rider who does not live on a farm, ride multiple horses every day, at BEST can have 7 years of effective useable experience.

Reed

GotSpots I'm with you....and I am really shocked at the basis for this thread and discussion.

What is wrong with them having an article about her? Are people to suffer or meet some subjective standards of accomplishment to deserve credit?

I'm not sure I understand what the problem is or the right to criticize or write editors complaining about the article...under what bases? Beccause she has a nice life, nice horses and rides well?

Rough road?Maybe the wrong words ...unless you know her or her personal story...is all relative. Are we know going to weigh peoples hardships to see who deserves more sympathy or who deserves more credit? No one doubts that someone who has had to work hard for every little thing that many take for granted is not due an amazing amount of respect....but because someone has had more opportunites and takes those opportunites and utilizes then to the maximum deserves just as much credit...just different ways of being successful.

LisaB

Aug. 15, 2008, 11:02 AM

Don't feed Moesha, Thames, she's a drama llama.
Okay, mouth filter back on!

Moesha

Aug. 15, 2008, 11:09 AM

Don't feed Moesha, Thames, she's a drama llama.
Okay, mouth filter back on!

Wow that was rude.

Rayers...I understand that and the fears associated with someone doing something they are not ready for....especially if the publisher is the association worried about such incidences...but as a lay person enjoying a human interest story the "criticism" of the article seems to focus on other aspects...as opposed to the safety one.

Moesha

Aug. 15, 2008, 11:12 AM

Sure, but the article didn't tell us HOW she utilized her opportunities, and I would say her success is still in its early stages. Yes, I expect we'll see more of Cayla, and as I said, I wish her the best. I tend to be more for those YRs who have actually completed or are working toward college, anyway. I just think the timing, the slant, and especially the fact that it was one of many just like it are the problems.

Can eventing really avoid the changes headed it's way?? Short format, different types of horses...things changing so much, people being more interested in it and wanting the nice horses without putting in the traditional work?

I just wonder since with the short format now and the popularity you can't neccessarily stop those changes, how else is there to reconcile the "new" faces and changing times without people being at odds with each other?

LisaB

Aug. 15, 2008, 11:22 AM

Sightunseen

Aug. 15, 2008, 11:23 AM

So I will preface this with the comments that I have yet to read this article and that I have NO issue with Cayla or her riding. The point that is being discussed here is a rider being put in the situation of being over her head, because, lets face it, even a seasoned 4* horse can make a mistake and without the support of a knowledgeable rider, it can get ugly. Honestly watching Cayla's XC at Rolex was terrifying for me, I felt the horse was laking a HUGE amount of impulsion, was it because she wanted to take it slow and be safe, I am sure, but do I think that she could have still been more appropriately forward, yes. And as far as the role model and how the youth see our sport I fully agree that it is disheartening. I have been riding since I was 3, lessons twice a week since I was four, went to my first mini-trials when I was 6. I did lessons twice a week if not more from the time I was 4 until I broke my femur when I was 17. I rode the horse that was a "cripple" that we did every thing under the sun to keep comfortable, started working for my trainer at 10 and would be at the barn by 6 am every morning. I would ride at 5 am in high school because I went to private school 30 min away and it was better for my homework if I had more time after school. And when I was 16 and ready for that horse that would take me to Prelim i got a race broke 3 y/o. That year I went to YR as a groom and most of the riders on our team were on horses that cost upwards of 25-30K, and some were basically purchased just for this specific event. It was hard, it still is hard, but money rules this sport.

PhoenixFarm

Aug. 15, 2008, 11:38 AM

DustInTime04

Aug. 15, 2008, 11:42 AM

Cayla Kitayama is a class act. I think Chronicle wrote one about her a year or so ago, and her last horse Docksider didn't sound like the easiest horse, between tough physical issues (kissing spine and TMJ I believe) and whatever else. From what I have seen, Cayla always has worked hard and kept a good balance, and really thankful for everything. Regardless of the money, when I read the Chonicle's article about her, it seemed like Docksider was a tribute to her hard work and patience. So I wouldn't say she necessarily has had it made, but she deserves her success. Even though she has an experienced horse, she clearly has to be able to ride it... which she has done extremely well. Again, she obviously has worked hard, even if her horse has done 4 star.

On another note, I enjoyed the article and I really wanted to learn about her. I have viewed her from afar and always thought she was great.

KSevnter

Aug. 15, 2008, 11:47 AM

LisaB

Aug. 15, 2008, 11:49 AM

Bummer! Yup, Phoenix, I would have liked that MUCH better. And then go on about how she got the fancy critter and her future goals.

Hilary

Aug. 15, 2008, 11:49 AM

When I read the article my impression was "wow, she's one lucky kid", but she does seem to work hard and isn't over-estimating her own abilites. She's admitting her new ride was difficult, that she fell off a lot and that it took a lot of time to get to know him.

No, she didn't rescue him from the meat truck and spend 2 years riding bareback and communing with him to gain his trust, but she rode with one of the most accomplished riders in the US and didn't go to Rolex until she could ride him. She went to college and continued to ride. She could have just ridden, but she didn't.

Yes, she has financial abilities beyond many of us, but how many of us would turn down this opportunity if it was handed to us? I'd take it. Sure, rags to riches stories are heartwarming, and taking down the spoiled brat is gratifying too, but Cayla does not seem spoiled, or otherwise ungrateful for her opportunity and she does seem to work hard to get better. She's not crowing about getting to the olympics asap, she wants to improve as a rider. That's still a good story to me, even if she's not also poor.

We do seem to forget that 25 years ago (like when I was of YR age) you had to be riding at Intermediate to be part of the YR program and the kids who did it? They had last names like Firestone and went to England to buy fancy horses who could teach them the ropes. Plenty of money making things roll back then too.

DustInTime04

Aug. 15, 2008, 11:50 AM

Trixie

Aug. 15, 2008, 11:55 AM

Yeah, Moesha, it was rude
I'm thinking (I know ) that maybe possibly hmmm, let's see how to put this. That you're inexperienced at eventing? I would love to see you with a less defensive attitude but still bring across points that you make because you may be new to eventing. And your points are probably questions, observations that others have too but are afraid to voice them.

Er, LisaB? While Moesha doesn't claim to be an eventer, he is an extremely well-known and respected jumper rider with quite a bit of experience under his belt. I thought his points were valid, a fresh perpective. While I don't know if he events or not, I can QUITE vouch for his general credibility in horse sports, and say without a doubt that he isn’t here to “troll.”

I quit my dream on being a hunter princess because my parents refused to pay that much for a horse. They told me I would have to ride the cheap horses they bought me a deal with it and I couldn't have the best just handed to me. If I wanted it, I worked for it. I loved eventing because 1. it was thrilling and 2. no one had to have the best handed to them to win. I could buy a horse for $400 (which I did) and do great on her(which we did because we got 1st our 1st time out!). That is what I love about eventing. I didnt have to have the most expensive horse or the best clothes or tack. My nice little wintec that fits all of the horses I ride works perfect. I didnt have to spend 4k on a saddle! Thats what eventing is about to me. Earning it. Not having it handed to you. So to me, good rider or not. If she didnt have to work so hard for it. She isnt going to be my hero

So, what you’re saying is that because something was not handed to you, you quit, and went to go do something that was easier for you?

For the record – how do you know how “hard” she works? She could well be working her butt off behind the scenes.

Some of these posts are embarrassing.

LisaB

Aug. 15, 2008, 11:57 AM

New drama llama Trixie!
I never said Moesha was a troll. Quite the contrary.
And I should post the same about you that while you may have valid points and observations, you get personal and witchy. Not a troll!

deltawave

Aug. 15, 2008, 12:03 PM

Why would anyone begrudge someone trying to make a goal as safely as possible, with a horse that has mileage at the level? Isn't it actually safer to learn from a horse who has some experience, than try to both figure it out at the same time?

I've got no beef with this, but why do we need to push so darn hard to reach the pinnacle as early as possible?

I really, really think the qualifications for one's FIRST four-star need to be a lot tougher, a lot longer road.

I agree it would've been a lot more interesting and enlightening to read how CK made her first horse. :yes:

wanderlust

Aug. 15, 2008, 12:10 PM

deltawave

Aug. 15, 2008, 12:12 PM

Other than the ad hominems on other posters, I'm not detecting any "venom" on this thread. :confused:

Caroline Weber

Aug. 15, 2008, 12:12 PM

I intend to write a letter to the editor as soon as I receive my issue of the magazine and can read the article in full. While I'm sure that she is a lovely, hard-working young rider, the choice to present the story of her "journey" to the 4* level as a rags-to-riches/overcoming-the-odds type of story was unfortunate and misleading.

This is not to say that we should ignore successful riders simply because they have not had to face significant struggles or sacrifices to get where they are - it is valuable to learn about the various paths that can lead to accomplishment at the upper levels. I simply feel that the light in which the magazine portrayed her was not as accurate as it should have been.

magnolia73

Aug. 15, 2008, 12:21 PM

I think it is a big deal and takes a rider with talent to get 'round Rolex on any horse. I'm not so sure these young riders have the experience and not sure if they should really be gunning for Rolex so early, but if they are going to, best to have a nice horse.

I think Moesha is sensitive- because gosh- you hear it all the time in hunter/jumpers, "so and so sucks- she just is lucky to BUY her horses". Never considering that when you get to the highest test, horse and rider need to show up for the party. Scary thing about Rolex is that the jumps don't fall like timber when you prove you are not ready. But it is sad to hear people not be supportive of those with the opportunity to ride nice horses.

End of the day- horses can always make an ass out of you. Rich or poor. Be it a $400 OTTB or a $1 million dollar jumper.

EventingChase

Aug. 15, 2008, 12:30 PM

I have not read the article on Cayla so I am not sure if it was mentioned but for what it is worth Cayla is at least a graduate HA pony clubber. I was there at her testing with her. So she at least has some understanding of horse care, feeding, I guess just general horsemanship. She was not just out there competing and collecting ribbons.

LKF

Aug. 15, 2008, 12:33 PM

Eskar is a super horse, but he got that way because of Werner Gevens (his previous rider) In a way I wish that the article was about he and Eskar.
He truly loved that horse. Often he would be caught sitting in Eskar's stall eating lunch.
"What are you doing in there Werner?"
"Oh, nothing. . . just looking. He's some horse!"

I wish Cayla the best. She is a very fortunate young lady.

denny

Aug. 15, 2008, 12:37 PM

JER

Aug. 15, 2008, 12:40 PM

How the heck did the article get the "Rough Road" title? Seems like a really poor choice.

I think everyone's a sucker for a good rags-to-riches story, as if starting from nothing automatically legitimizes someone. But really, it's what you do with what you have.

There's a famous campaign story about JFK. He wanted to do a meet-and-greet photo op with some miners in Appalachia. He sat down on an overturned bucket with a bunch of older, weathered men who'd spent a lifetime working underground. The first miner to speak said "I bet you've never done a day of hard labor in your life." The press collectively cringed, bracing for some saccharine bogus story from JFK's childhood. Instead, JFK said "You're probably right." The miner smiled and said "You haven't missed a damn thing."

One of my young horses is currently in training with some young ULRs. They're in their early-to-mid 20s and all have had lots of success, lots of opportunity to ride great horses and lots of support from their families. I was a bit skeptical at first, mostly due to their relative youth, but I quickly found out that these young people work hard, develop their horses slowly and are surprisingly old school. They also run a non-HR business because they want to be able to do horses on their own terms and not as a sink-or-swim livelihood.

As for Cayla, I haven't read the article but I recall meeting her and her mother years ago at a HT when we were stabled near each other. I thought Cayla was a very mature and serious young person and they were both very nice.

I was the guardian of a young eventer. I can tell you there's nothing harder than watching your kid move up the levels. You want to keep them safe doing something that is, let's face it, quite dangerous. So if I had the opportunity/means to buy a safe, dependable CCI**** for her, I probably would have.

Invested1

Aug. 15, 2008, 12:45 PM

Even though she has an experienced horse, she clearly has to be able to ride it....

Agreed!! :yes:
My old trainer let me get on her Rolex horse once and let me tell you, that horse gave me NOTHING I didn't ask for correctly! :no:

Rescue_Rider9

Aug. 15, 2008, 12:58 PM

So, what you’re saying is that because something was not handed to you, you quit, and went to go do something that was easier for you?

For the record – how do you know how “hard” she works? She could well be working her butt off behind the scenes.

Some of these posts are embarrassing.[/QUOTE]

No I quit because if you dont own the perfect horse with the perfect bloodlines and isnt the right color and cant afford everything that is "in" you dont win. It has nothing to do with talent. Its about money and that of which my parents weren't going to hand me because they think all equestrian sports are a waste of time and money. It would not have mattered how hard I worked. I could not afford a horse that I needed. Im not even talking about a made horse. Simply a 2 or 3 yr old who was a good prospect. They were all about 1k and I never had that to spend on a horse because I have other things that need to be paid for. In the hunter world (well I am talking BigEqs and medals) it is close to impossible to win without money. The horse I had as my eq horse would have been laughed at had i taken her to the Maclay(which was my goal). She was a QH only 15.2 and I could not afford to spend over 500 on a saddle. That wasnt going to do it. I also could not afford the GPA or the CO. I also could not afford the BNT which you must have inorder to place at Maclay. The judges see who your trainer is and if it isnt someone huge then you dont win. Look at the past winners. My trainer and I were doing lovely with my horse. She pretty much rocked, but I knew no matter what I wouldnt make my dream because of funding. Now I will still ride hunters, but on the AQHA circut. Eventing is no more easy than hunters or Big eq, but you cant buy your way to the top and win. That is why I like this sport.

EventFan

Aug. 15, 2008, 01:01 PM

As I read the comments on here (I haven't read the article yet) I had flashbacks to my daughter's horse experience. I wish we had been able to provide her with a series of horses that helped move her up the ranks, but were also safe. As it is her ONE horse has had a series of unfortunate events that have prevented them from competing these days. But I do not begrudge others who were able to provide for their kids; I do, however, have concerns about the sheer number of 4* riders who are so young.

Sure, an educated rider is a great thing. But let's face it, experience is what you have to rely on in an emergency ride. I think if we continue to push the envelope on young riders, we will see more tragic accidents. And I also know we all love the stories of how ULR had to work three jobs, ride bucking broncs, etc but at the end of the day what really matters? IMO getting around safely, having fun with your horse, returning a healthy horse to his stall at the end of the day, and practicing good horsemanship is what eventing is all about.

For the record, I am not a rider, not an eventer-I'm a mom and fan.

OptimumTime

Aug. 15, 2008, 01:07 PM

crittertwitter

Aug. 15, 2008, 01:32 PM

I think the debate her comes down to "respect." Speaking personally here: I have the most respect for riders who bring their own horses along.

It is frustrating to see riders work so hard and move up so "slowly" when they really want to get ****there****! That said, I think the real problem with these little "four start stories" is that it implies, "You too can look this good" if you work this hard, etc. etc. The truth is, there are plenty of eventers who work their little arses off and may not get to Rolex. The problem, it sounds like (I haven't read the story yet - poser posting here), is that it glamorizes the quick way to the top. This is, me thinks, bad for the sport... an antithetical to the spirit of the sport. I hate to wax all sentimental again - about the "spirit" of eventing - but the spirit is laid out by the history, and eventing has a history of excellent horsepersonship.

I remember a recent thread referencing an article in which Bruce Davidson (I think?) said that part of the problem is rich kids with horses who know more than they do. I have seen this problem at its most pathological - causing a certain beloved of mine - to want to make it all happen and make it happen fast... because she may not be able to do this as a profession if she isn't at Rolex by 21. And, in the meantime, she *has* pounded the hard road and done it beautifully. After losing both of her parents at 13, she has brought her own horse up from a very green guy who wouldn't leave the starting box all the way to Prelim and is going to do her first 1* in October. All of this in 4 years, and it's not enough to make her feel good about what she's done. I think that's a personal issue, and satisfaction comes with maturity, but it's hard for her to hear, "Hey. You're doing great. Look at what you've done!" when she is comparing herself to other kids who have loads of money, a few horses, lots of access to trainers, and who don't have to choose between getting another greenie to bring along or going to a 1*. But then, am I jealous? A tad. But would I rather her be the 25yo at Rolex who brought her own horse along than the 21 yo who bought her round at Rolex? OH YES! If I had 100k (dunno how much Cayla's horse was, just a #) to spend on another horse for her, I'd get her a super nice greenie and send them both off for tremendous training. I worry less about her knowing she and her horse are learning *together* and know each other seamlessly.

Anyway, in sum, I think Cayla had to ride Rolex, whether she rode a packer or not. And I, for one, had a lot of sympathy when she went off course. Ouch. However, I do still consider her an "unproven rider" in its complete sense because, to me, a "proven rider" has trained their own horse.

One last thing. No one ever gets there on their own. There's always a trainer, a horse (Klimke's _My Horses, My Teachers_) comes to mind... the someones who showed you how. What a lucky girl to get to learn Rolex from a pro!

RAyers

Aug. 15, 2008, 01:48 PM

If we`re gonna pick on one kid, why not pick on dozens of other kids whose family money allowed them to excel early and often. I won`t name names, but we all know rafts of them in the horse world.

Come on, guys, she`s just a kid who happened to be the subject of an article. And she`s playing by existing rules.

If we don`t like the rules, let`s pick on them.

I agree the rules are what we should pick on, however, an example has been presented about the fine line within the rules and calls for understanding of incidents.

I don't think most folks are picking directly on her. On the ESPN thread I used that article to contrast Bruce Davidson's ideas as well as those brought up during the Safety Summit. Yes, I picked on the wording/writing of the article as it, in the context of current issues in this sport, came from left field. Hence my list of students/student athletes who have a real rough road. A rough road was never presented in the manuscript. At the same time, Mark Todd was quoted in the same issue, you are a target for the media when you play at the level, good or bad.

I'd be happy to bring up many junior riders who are in the same shoes as Cayla but they have not been featured in a public outlet yet.

I will re-iterate that I have watched Cayla go and have ridden against her so I have no doubt about her abilities, as I have seen them.

Reed

OptimumTime

Aug. 15, 2008, 01:51 PM

I'd be happy to bring up many junior riders who are in the same shoes as Cayla but they have not been featured in a public outlet yet.

Reed

Reed, why don't you get in touch with the editors? I'm sure they'd be delighted to run stories about some of these neat juniors.

pwynnnorman

Aug. 15, 2008, 01:52 PM

If the USEA is serious about a cultural shift, these are not the types of riders they should highlight. Little girls in PC will be begging daddy for an Ekser of their very own. They will be begging mommy to move to VA like Laine or to be allowed to skimp (or skip) on college in order to train with the BNR of the moment. They will be wanting to fly around the country regularly to compete without riding hard and doing the dirty work--after all, Cayla did it! Is this the message the USEA wants to send?

Excellent point.

You know what I think? If you are in the mood for writing, write various USEA committee folks, including Roger Secrist, chair of the marketing committee, about what you think USEA should do to promote the sport better, including not just what should be promoted, but also WHY and HOW.

I'm a member of the marketing committee, which hasn't met in ages, alas. The issue with the Cayla article is one that really gets to me because I feel it does the sport a huge disservice by focusing on that eventer background, but this is not a subject that gets much attention or priority on the committee--NOR is there any formal link (i.e. a structural link, there are personnel links) between the committee and the magazine or the website or most of the other ways in which the sport is promoted.

I am depressed by the lack of forward thinking, critical thinking and strategic thinking concerning the sport--specifically, LINKING things to produce an effective and coherent whole. This article is a classic example. I can't imagine a worst piece to publish after the safety issues that have arisen. So why was it published? Examining that reasoning could be very instructive in terms of how we might improve.

Of course, having been the subject of an article it is damn awkward for me to be writing this, but I care for the sport and don't give a hoot about the "me" part. And, having now experienced a bit of "me," I doubt I'll ever be asked to sit on another committee anyway, so I'm just going to speak up about this. I mean no offense to any individual, OK? But, geez, if the staff is overwhelmed with work--which I think is likely--I do think there are ways for a volunteer-based organization to fill the gap and as a result do BETTER. We can do so much better in so many ways if only we were willing to use our resources better.

Hannahsmom

Aug. 15, 2008, 02:01 PM

I read the article and thought the article was referring to the fact that her events didn't always go smoothly in spite of buying a very nice horse and having the best coaches. So I didn't really see what all the ruckus in this thread is about. For me, yes, I'm "een with grenvy" as a friend says. I wish I was in her shoes. But I don't begrudge her that and if I were her, I'd be proud of my accomplishments. Actually I was majorly impressed with her riding in two reins in her pelham! :lol:

I think buying a cheap horse and "making it up yourself" pretty much went the way of the dodo birds some time ago. Now you have to have a great mover and great jumper to do well, and that costs money or some insanely lucky chance find.

GotSpots

Aug. 15, 2008, 02:04 PM

Has anyone noticed that the USEA & the eventing site has changed, hopefully for the better in the past few months? The Blog is trying to incorporate new and upbeat stories about juniors, amateurs, "unknown" up-and-coming riders who deserve some recognition. Little interesting tidbits here and there. Oh, and event coverage as well. Is this something you guys do like and want more of? Doesn't seem like they ever get positive feedback. And did you like the other articles in the magazine - on safety, the neat one on fifth leg training, the cool Phillip Dutton camp story, etc.? I think the Eventing magazine and the Blog has been fantastic - what great strides it has taken over the last year to become a neat resource. I love Emily's commentary on the blog (I've unabashedly adopted her "floppy ears are the new black" line) and the photos have been terrific. I thought both the Rolex and the Jersey Fresh coverage were phenomenal - how super to be able to bring that home to all of us.

As for the magazine, I really liked the articles about training steps, the "how-to" pieces, and the features about things like safety or speed, as well as the opinions of riders, competitors, owners, trainers, organizers, and coaches in the columns. It reminds me of what Practical Horseman used to be before it was dumbed down. I think you're appealing to a very wide audience: from folks hoping to do their first horse trials to upper level competitors, and doing it well indeed!

annikak

Aug. 15, 2008, 02:11 PM

kayla had a young woman in the box with her at Rolex that thought so much of Kayla she could do nothing but brag about what a great person and horse person Kayla was. She was so proud of how Kayla did at Rolex- even tho her own horse had not made it that year.

This young woman is like the ones you are all talking about- made her horse, got him to Rolex, did a respectable job, is from anything but a wealthy family, is finishing college, and is just one of those kids.

Yup- and she says that Kayla is top notch, a good horse person, and does well by her horses, parents, coaches and friends. So, while some of us may wish we had such funds, let's not forget- that her peers think she is pretty special, too- even if they wish they had those same funds. That says a lot, I think!

my guess is she has done her fair share of work w/o stirrups!

poltroon

Aug. 15, 2008, 02:13 PM

Other than the ad hominems on other posters, I'm not detecting any "venom" on this thread. :confused:

Intended or not, I think if (make that when) Cayla reads this thread, that she'll be feeling pretty hurt and upset.

OptimumTime

Aug. 15, 2008, 02:24 PM

Intended or not, I think if (make that when) Cayla reads this thread, that she'll be feeling pretty hurt and upset.

Exactly... I suggest that if you have anything negative (or positive :D) to say about the magazine, by all means contact the editors. But please don't make an example out of Cayla, she certainly didn't do anything to provoke any discussion on herself, and I think she might be a little embarrassed to find her name in a discussion like this.

flyingchange

Aug. 15, 2008, 02:57 PM

What really got under my skin in that article was the use of the word "struggle" and the phrase "rough road" to describe a young lady's "rise to the top" when, compared to a lot of other very talented and dedicated riders, her journey has been basically paved with gold. Sorry, but when mommy and daddy pay for everything from your college tuition to your horses' 4 figure per month board/training/farrier/vet/accu/etc to all your event entries and traveling, etc, etc, as well as financing a six-figure horse for you to get experience on - then sorry, the terms "struggle" and "rough road" do not apply to your journey to four star.

crittertwitter

Aug. 15, 2008, 03:01 PM

:lol: It is characteristic of our culture. Sensationalists.

poltroon

Aug. 15, 2008, 03:21 PM

I haven't read the article, and I might feel the same way if I had, and maybe it's just the way the boards are overflowing with negativity right now.

I've been around some people who were fortunate enough to be able to buy expensive, made horses. There are still struggles, and significant ones, just different ones from the green bean ones. Every time you go in the ring on a made horse and you don't win, obviously it is the rider who is a loser. Every time you go in the ring on a made horse and you do win, obviously the horse did it all.

Every time you go in the ring on a green bean and aren't eliminated, then you gave it a brilliant ride.

Plenty of people on fancy horses end up having their hats handed to them, even good people who can ride. No matter how nice the horse is, you still have to ride it.

And hey, most of us were all encouragement and better luck next time to the young Chinese rider.

The girl did not write the article. All she can do is go out and ride, take care of her horses, and ride her best.

Eventer13

Aug. 15, 2008, 03:39 PM

And did you like the other articles in the magazine - on safety, the neat one on fifth leg training, the cool Phillip Dutton camp story, etc.?

LOVED the one on 5th leg training. Planning to read the Dutton camp one.

pwynnnorman

Aug. 15, 2008, 03:43 PM

Just a thought.... I know there's a few people on here who are disappointed with the Cayla piece, amongst other things that the USEA has posted or published. Has anyone noticed that the USEA & the eventing site has changed, hopefully for the better in the past few months? The Blog is trying to incorporate new and upbeat stories about juniors, amateurs, "unknown" up-and-coming riders who deserve some recognition. Little interesting tidbits here and there. Oh, and event coverage as well. Is this something you guys do like and want more of? Doesn't seem like they ever get positive feedback. And did you like the other articles in the magazine - on safety, the neat one on fifth leg training, the cool Phillip Dutton camp story, etc.? It's not as if the USEA magazine has never done stories on people who've had to overcome struggles, because they have. And I agree, I think the wording of the Cayla piece probably could have been modified a bit, but why not simply write the editors? Just trying to throw something a bit positive into the discussion! :yes:

Sorry, but while I know this sounds harsh, it is really merely practical: People getting paid to do a job shouldn't need to be encouraged via praise. If they do a good job, they'll get praise--and the staff at USEA DO GET PRAISE. But no one gets only praise.

MY point is that while efforts are being made, the big problem is a lack of connection between those efforts. For example, that wonderful blog? You wanna tell me just how you FIND IT if you aren't an insider????? Anybody remember the problem we had in finding the list of committee members? How about if you were someone wanting to look up the competition record of a horse or rider? How much time would it take you to find that information? Short cuts is repetitious. SEARCH in that location would make a lot more sense, wouldn't it? It's actually pretty obvious, but again, why wasn't that done? I'm not criticizing the individuals, folks. PLEASE realize that. It's the PROCESS that is a big, big problem here. So much is missed! I believe publishing Cayla's article (and, my goodness, do I feel for her!) was really bad timing. Someone missed with that one!

IMO, before the website or blog went online, leaving time to change if after testing it on an audience would have been a better use of membership fees. The magazine needs to get more serious about its editorial agenda, thinking as much about those on the outside looking in as those in the inside. We need to deal with the issues, but also with the image! I am extremely saddened that that isn't happening and there has yet to be made a path for it to happen. I have removed from my personal e-mailing list (friends to whom I send updates about various stuff, often having to do with eventing) a GP rider friend of mine because she hates the sport so much. Her hate is based 100% on ignorance. She is virtually unexposed to the positives of the sport.

Heck, if the "lead" feature story of each magazine issue (or some other very positive story) were highlighted with a link online on the homepage, that story could do wonders for the impression anyone encountering the website walks away with, right? Might even bring in a few subscriptions or at least requests for sample copies. But good luck finding anything about the magazine through the homepage--especially if you are an "outsider" look in. I had to edit this post because I missed it entirely, and I KNOW the name of the magazine. If you didn't know that it existed, you would never find it because it is only mentioned by its name. Another inside-reaching-out miss, IMO.

One last time: I'm criticizing the process that gets in the way of improvement, not people or their skills or their hard work, all of which I appreciate greatly.

Trixie

Aug. 15, 2008, 03:47 PM

No I quit because if you dont own the perfect horse with the perfect bloodlines and isnt the right color and cant afford everything that is "in" you dont win. It has nothing to do with talent. Its about money and that of which my parents weren't going to hand me because they think all equestrian sports are a waste of time and money. It would not have mattered how hard I worked. I could not afford a horse that I needed. Im not even talking about a made horse. Simply a 2 or 3 yr old who was a good prospect. They were all about 1k and I never had that to spend on a horse because I have other things that need to be paid for. In the hunter world (well I am talking BigEqs and medals) it is close to impossible to win without money. The horse I had as my eq horse would have been laughed at had i taken her to the Maclay(which was my goal). She was a QH only 15.2 and I could not afford to spend over 500 on a saddle. That wasnt going to do it. I also could not afford the GPA or the CO. I also could not afford the BNT which you must have inorder to place at Maclay. The judges see who your trainer is and if it isnt someone huge then you dont win. Look at the past winners. My trainer and I were doing lovely with my horse. She pretty much rocked, but I knew no matter what I wouldnt make my dream because of funding. Now I will still ride hunters, but on the AQHA circut. Eventing is no more easy than hunters or Big eq, but you cant buy your way to the top and win. That is why I like this sport.

I’m afraid you’re frightfully misinformed.

In the HUNTERS, it’s got EVERYTHING to do with a talented horse and nothing to do with an expensive horse. Often, a talented horse will be expensive. But it’s possible to find ones that aren’t – I personally know someone that bought a cheap OTTB off the track and the mare is now kicking butt in the “A” hunters. My amateur hunter was a freebie.

It is not about the price of your horse, and it is definitely not about the price of your clothes, saddle, or helmet. These are excuses.

As for a BNT, the reason that most of those people are riding with BNT’s at the finals is because they are GOOD trainers and they know how to train a rider to win. That’s how they got their “big” names. Further – look at the riders who have won. They’re all extraordinarily talented. However, for most of us, realistically, a good competent trainer is the most important thing.

It’s true that you need to have realistic goals. If you and your horse aren’t up to the task AND you have no money, it would be extremely unrealistic for you to think that you can compete in the medal finals.
The same, in that respect, is true of eventing: If you don’t have the talent and training and can’t pay the entry fees, you aren’t going to go to Rolex. There are plenty of lower-level things that you COULD do successfully, however, and BOTH sports offer these.

And really – again - it has absolutely positively NOTHING to do with how much money you have, or what’s “in,” or the color or bloodlines of your horse, or your riding helmet or saddle, and certainly not politics. Judges have posted thousands of times that all they notice is that the rider is neat, clean, and within the rules. Blaming these things is a cop out. Granted, it’s incredibly EASY to blame these things for not winning, but unfortunately, 99% of the time, it’s because one’s riding and one's round was not up to the task.

pwynnnorman

Aug. 15, 2008, 03:58 PM

In the HUNTERS, it’s got EVERYTHING to do with a talented horse and nothing to do with an expensive horse. Often, a talented horse will be expensive. But it’s possible to find ones that aren’t – I personally know someone that bought a cheap OTTB off the track and the mare is now kicking butt in the “A” hunters. My amateur hunter was a freebie.

Trixie! What nonsense. I'm looking at the prize list for a AA show right now and what divisions do I see? Short stirrup, open hunter, hunter pleasure, crossbars, beginner rider, beginner hunter, pre-children's hunter, pre-adult hunter, baby green hunter, special hunter...top notch hunter--what the heck is that?...sunshine hunter--huh?...

You are referring to a minority of hunter riders/horses (note: by "minority" I don't mean some "insignificant" number--I mean not the majority, literally, as in "by the numbers"), whether you want to admit that or not. The fact is that a show organizer will tell you any day of the week (or you can just accept the classes in just about any average A show prize list) that the bread and butter of hunters is NOT based on talent! Maybe you are confusing (or, er, failing to distinguish between) "talent" and "type."

And thank goodness for that because without those "talentless" divisions, the pros couldn't make a living and those divisions that really do showcase the awesome talent of the hunter would not exist...and, sadly, you know it's a fact that even so, those the "talent" divisions are getting smaller and smaller every single day!

whatnot

Aug. 15, 2008, 04:04 PM

Why would her instructor allow her to only ride and compete on the weekends at that level?

Isn't there some responsibility there too?

Trixie

Aug. 15, 2008, 04:06 PM

Pwynn, I'd say most of the horses that pack around those divisions are talented in the sense that they can QUITE take a joke. :lol:

But on a serious note: in lower level hunters, the goal is to get around smooth and safe. It's based on your ability to find 8 jumps smoothly and safely, bonus points if your horse does it nicely or is on any level fancy. My point was that it isn't merely based on price or attire, as that poster had suggested.

Moesha

Aug. 15, 2008, 04:14 PM

Yeah, Moesha, it was rude :D
I'm thinking (I know :o) that maybe possibly hmmm, let's see how to put this. That you're inexperienced at eventing? I would love to see you with a less defensive attitude but still bring across points that you make because you may be new to eventing. And your points are probably questions, observations that others have too but are afraid to voice them.
Thanks!

I can completey relate to the frustration of feeling like someone from the "outside" with no intimate knowledge or vested interest comes on strong with critical and abrasive views....but unfortunately that will happen, you can't dismiss people because of that...I know Trixie she is a great horseperson and her interest is sincere, so is mine I am asking questions and being inolved not to throw stones at people..but because I find this interesting and have some very different views about things...I am sorry if that bothers some people so much, it is not personal or deliberate to hurt or anger people..but merely my views and questions about things.

I do find something flawed about this criticism and not just here but in all disciplines...where someone who has nice horses, and is lucky financially and backing wise is somehow less of a rider or less deserving of praise and even in some comments success. I just find that disturbing....I understand what many had issue with...but I don't neccessarily agree this was the right "article" to vent that about...without a variety of people from all walks of life, and without money horse sports would not exist. You can't bite the hand that feeds you...the horses that make big profits mean a trainer can start another one or hire a working student...sure the client who has had it easier with the best lessons and the best horses may beat even the trainer...but that does not mean they did not work hard...and that is the way it works....the system can gurantee through qualifications who can do what no matter what they want...we need to remember the bad apples are the bad apples....you don't throw out the whoel bushel you'll loose many good ones that way.

CiegoStar

Aug. 15, 2008, 04:56 PM

Ok, I think this thread has veered way off base … hunters? What? This is not an issue of whether Cayla deserves her early success and whether having her parents buy her a WEG horse makes her a better or worse rider. She is a LOVELY rider. I saw her go advanced last year and thought she was just gorgeous. My issue is with the USEA and its tonedeaf attitude toward the problems our sport is experiencing right now. I had the same problem with the silly “oh lookie Darren’s back competing what a superstar he is!” hagiography that ran on the USEA website, which is also featured on Darren’s website right now. I didn’t post here about it, but then I don’t post that much.

The USEA just needs to get its freaking head out of the sand.

asterix

Aug. 15, 2008, 05:03 PM

Moesha, I think one undercurrent here is that there is genuine (and I think well-founded) fear amongst those of us who love eventing that the sport is at risk due to recent trends (and by this I am being deliberately broad -- from the demise of the long format to the spate of recent accidents to loss of land, etc etc etc).

So it is not so much jealousy at work here -- I think it's wonderful that she has had such good support, no one begrudges her that -- as a gnawing sense that it just shouldn't be that easy to arrive at Rolex. It didn't get her into trouble, but it certainly has gotten others into trouble. It's not clear that this should be the highlight of our sport.

I saw a good deal of her ride at Rolex. She looked like she was having the time of her life, and that horse is one hell of a good guy. He knows what he's doing and she seemed to know enough to let him do his job. I have no way of knowing, from those few minutes of watching, whether she knows enough to get him OUT of trouble had he gotten INTO it. That's a place we are all pretty worried about these days.

And for the person who said Esker had a dangerous lack of impulsion -- I will only say that I saw Werner Geven ride him the year before (or 2 years?) at Rolex, and I think that's the way the horse looks. He "lopes" around and you wouldn't think it would work, but it does. I haven't seen the horse have one bad fence at either Rolex.

I'm thrilled she has such a nice partnership with this horse; she seems to really appreciate him.

But our sport is struggling with some weighty issues, and this profile struck a nerve because it did not focus on someone overcoming those issues. It's too bad; I'm sure intentions were good all around.

deltawave

Aug. 15, 2008, 05:17 PM

1000 bonus points to Ciego Star for using "hagiography" in a sentence. Awesome. :D

It's exactly right, the idea of the USEA being somewhat "tone deaf" with the DC glorification and now this. Nobody here (at least the way I'm reading it) has any issues with the talents and abilities of these 2 riders, nor really begrudges them their successes. It's the USEA deciding to showcase them right now that strikes a sour note.

NeverTime

Aug. 15, 2008, 05:47 PM

I watched the E:60 segment with Bruce and I've heard the argument about overmounted kids, but I think that's just one, vastly simplified side of the coin.

One of the oldest addages in the big book of riding is "green and green make black and blue." It's pretty widely accepted that the ideal situation is to have an experienced partner on at least one half of the horse-rider equation. When you apply that equation to upper-level eventing, does it become less true or more true?

I, too, didn't like the headline, but I enjoyed the story and it got me thinking about something else: There are some very successful partnerships out there that have come up the ranks together (Sara and Tony, Amy and Poggio, etc.), but I think the route Cayla is taking is one of THE most proven in terms of creating winning, successful and SAFE upper-level eventers: Going to a top name in the business, buying the horse that pro tells you to buy, learning to ride that horse under said top name's guidance and following a training progression set out by said BNT.

You could substitute "Will Faudree" and "Antigua" for "Cayla Kittayama" and "Esker Riada" and the article would still be accurate. Both of these riders have been successful, did/are learning the ropes in a proven system that seems to have a good safety record. Undeniably, they chose a route that takes a lot of cash to follow, but no one said life was fair that way.

So the question is: Is that route really a bad thing?

I'm fairly sure that you CANNOT say with certainty that coming up the ranks together is the "best" way to do things. As much as we love (and hope to be) those rags-to-riches Cinderella stories of people making their horses from scratch, there are plenty of broken bodies and broken horses scattered along that path, too. Heck, for all those who argue Laine is an example of what goes wrong in the first situation, with rich young overhorsed riders, you could just as easily argue that Sarah Hansel was an example of what goes wrong when you've got a dream and a horse you trust that you brought along yourself, but neither of you has the experience or the proven skill set to be where you are trying to go.

I get Bruce's point, but take it with a grain of salt, as I imagine he does, too, knowing he's sold a LOT of expensive horses to people who may or may not have been able to ride them. (Jam thread, anyone??)

I don't think you can say either route is the "right" one, but I do notice that the kids coming out of Phillip Dutton's barn - not the ones who drop in for a few months, but the ones who make the commitment in time and money to stick with it for the long term - are consistently successful and appear competent at the upper levels. That should be worth acknowledged and not dismissing out of hand with the idea they "bought their way to the top."

A little personal experience to add to this: I'm mostly in the DIY camp: Got the free OTTB as a 4-year-old and have crept up the levels ever since. I'm proud of what we've accomplished, alone and with the help of some fabulous trainers over the past 11 years. But, to be brutally honest with myself, the two times I've ridden the best and felt the safest and most competent in this sport were the 6 months I spent between jobs doing a working student gig for Denny Emerson -- temporarily dedicating my life to the sport and working daily under a good trainer's watchful eye -- and this season. I don't think it's a coincidence (unfortunately, as it doesn't speak highly of my own skills) that this year went so well because it started with a rare opportunity to send my horse to Florida with my trainer, where he went into daily training with someone much more experienced than myself. I got back a better trained, more confident horse, who in turn I have competed more successfully and felt safer on. I have to swallow my pride and my DIY spirit and admit it's b/c of her professional help. Had I been able to do this years ago, I might've saved myself a few falls and a lot of hair-raising jumps.

And, PhoenixFarm, I love the Docksider phase of Cayla's story, too!

I met Cayla about , oh, I'm gonna go with 8 years or so ago. I was covering a competition or USEA and 14or so year old Cayla won the junior training (their first training level), on a plain bay horse. In the interview I asked her about the horse and she told me that they had imported him as a 3yo from Ireland, that she loved him, and she hoped she was doing right by him, as she was bringing him along herself with help from good coaches.

His name was Docksider.

I have no dog in this fight,but while he wasn't exactly a horse off he track, this kid did make up her first advanced horse (yes, with help and the finances needed to pay for that help)--he just wasn't a four star horse. But I think the notion of her buying her way into the top with no foundation is a little bit innacurate.

I wish the article had focused more on her relationship with Docksider, and the work she put in to developing him (because I'm told he was pretty quirky) rather than her appearance at Rolex. The focus of the article didn't highlight the truly good and interesting things about her story, and instead focused on the "Phenom!" "Big Names" "Marquee!" bits.

A missed opportunity, unfortunately, and I feel bad that a good kid got painted as a princess as a result.

bornfreenowexpensive

Aug. 15, 2008, 05:47 PM

Why would her instructor allow her to only ride and compete on the weekends at that level?

Isn't there some responsibility there too?

that was only for the SHORT period of time that the horse was south for the early spring and she was still in school up North. That takes some dedication to drive down south every Thurs night and back north Sunday night...I believe there were some weeks she did stay down south when school permitted. I believe that she still rode other horses that were up North during the week and did other things to stay fit. She is and was not a "weekend" rider year round and really not even at that time.

I'm really disappointed to even see a thread on this. Yes she has had some great opportunities...but she has worked damn hard as well. I'm sure there are others who have worked hard or harder but that doesn't mean anyone should belittle her accomplishments. And with those opportunities comes pressure that not everyone can handle. She a nice rider and nice person....I wish her the best.....and wish people would stop being so friggn negative.

barnrat

Aug. 15, 2008, 06:39 PM

This thread is full of sour grapes. It is unfortunate that people are unable to be happy for the success of others. It is also unfortunate that people are unable to get their facts straight. First of all--- Linden Weisman rode Esker and took him through either intermediate or advanced. Then, Werner picked up the ride after Esker had time off after an injury. Kayla has the best scores on this horse to date, and he looks sounder and happier than he has in the past. Look up the results and see for yourself!!!

It does not matter if you have a 4* horse because you still have to ride it. There are "professional" riders that have had the opportunity to ride "made 4* packers" and they could NOT get around!!!

Kayla is doing a lovely job, and it is wonderful that she has access to good coaching to help develop her knowledge base. People are ruining this board with negativity! Riding is expensive... and if you can't afford it get off the internet and get A JOB!!! Stop bashing other people because you are jealous of their opportunities. Life is hard for everyone at some point, and no one should take pot shots at a young person on a public forum.

Eventer724

Aug. 15, 2008, 06:46 PM

The point of this thread is not to bash Cayla or her abilities as a rider, but rather to look at what our association is publishing as examples for riders. This story is promoting the money driven side that this sport needs to steer itself away from. I am sure Cayla is a good rider and she had a good ride around Rolex, and that is something that deserves credit, but publishing this story does not portray a picture of the true grit that this sport was made of even just ten years ago. It is not Cayla's fault that this story is a poor representation of the current sport...she just happened to be caught in the middle with the spotlight shining on her at the wrong time. The USEA needs to wake up, look itself in the mirror and think twice about what values it is promoting- money or horsemanship as the most admirable road to success in the sport that we love so much. Not to say that Cayla does not have horsemanship- I am sure she does...but her path is one of least resistance when buying a 4 star packer is how she has made it to the very top. Personally, I would rather see horsemanship and years of training and the building of a partnership than 20 some odd year olds buying Olympic horses and running around the most prestigious event in the country. Those who spend years with their horses moving up the levels are the ones most apt to trust each other enough to get themselves out of a sticky situation. No amount of experience on the horse's side can replace the trust that a horse and rider will have in each other if they spend years together in this sport.

deltawave

Aug. 15, 2008, 06:48 PM

Umm, nobody is bashing Cayla. The criticism is mostly aimed at the USEA for the choice of the article's title. I'd say she has more defenders than detractors here. :)

magnolia73

Aug. 15, 2008, 06:51 PM

It seems like 90% of the time, lower level hunters are based on who gets around most correctly based on a set of requirements including getting the steps and the lead changes and the distances. Generally, people mess up one or more of these things...... I've seen plenty of classes where Happy McQuarter Horse did just fine when he got round and met all the requirements. Now yeah- you get to Devon and Happy McQuarterHorse needs to jump fancy and move fancy because everyone will be putting in a perfect round.

And you always have had to ride well. Once- one time- I beat an eventual winner of the Maclay finals in an eq class. I got every fence, every lead, every step right. I beat her and her expensive horse because I rode well. The other 90% of the time I lost to her because I made mistakes. It is so much easier to blame losing on the other person. But it comes down to who puts in the best trip- and we are the ones to blame if we don't get the good trip.

:no:

I feel bad for this poor Cayla the way I feel bad for Georgina Bloomberg. She was given a great opportunity. If someone handed me a Rolex horse and said have fun, I sure as heck would not say- ohhh- no, I'll ride my stopper. (actually I'd go cry in the corner frightened by the prospect of those jumps on any horse). We'd all kill to have that life. Good for her- she gets it. Sounds like she is nice and works hard in her own way- even though it might not be the kind of hard work we *think* she should do. Now I do hope that she continues to build experience and rides safely. She still has to ride. She still has to swallow her nerves and gallop down to that mindnumbingly scary jump. She still needs to pull it together in dressage. She still needs to find her distances over fences. Those skills- to be at that level- they can't be purchased.

Good for her. May we see her on the podium on 2012

yellowbritches

Aug. 15, 2008, 06:51 PM

I met Cayla about , oh, I'm gonna go with 8 years or so ago. I was covering a competition or USEA and 14or so year old Cayla won the junior training (their first training level), on a plain bay horse. In the interview I asked her about the horse and she told me that they had imported him as a 3yo from Ireland, that she loved him, and she hoped she was doing right by him, as she was bringing him along herself with help from good coaches.

His name was Docksider.

I have no dog in this fight,but while he wasn't exactly a horse off he track, this kid did make up her first advanced horse (yes, with help and the finances needed to pay for that help)--he just wasn't a four star horse. But I think the notion of her buying her way into the top with no foundation is a little bit innacurate.

I wish the article had focused more on her relationship with Docksider, and the work she put in to developing him (because I'm told he was pretty quirky) rather than her appearance at Rolex. The focus of the article didn't highlight the truly good and interesting things about her story, and instead focused on the "Phenom!" "Big Names" "Marquee!" bits.

A missed opportunity, unfortunately, and I feel bad that a good kid got painted as a princess as a result.
hmmm...just feel I need to set the record straight on one bit of info, and I'm not sure where the issue lies with how one little fact got turned around, but Cayla did NOT import Docksider as a three year old from Ireland. The boss (as in, my boss) imported him, and not as a 3 yr. old, but as a going novice (our prelim) horse. He was about 7 at the time. Cayla bought him from the boss and came up with him from training level on. I'm not sure how the imported as a 3 yr. old story came along. Could be the case of a silly teenager making up a great story (let's admit it, teenagers are prone to this sort of thing).

That aside, Cayla is a good kid and a decent rider with many years ahead of her. And while money DID buy her a very nice horse to do her first 4 star on, it isn't as if she just appeared. She came along with Docksider (who, while he was a going horse, was far from a finished advanced horse), and brought along some other horses while still riding Docksider and in between him and Esker.

I don't think this is a case of a new type of event rider, but a kid who's got the benefit of money behind her. She works hard at being both a rider and a student, and she even admits the way she did it in the winter wasn't perfect, but she did it.

If she came out of no where on Esker, then I'd say this might be a different story, but I don't think this is all that uncommon of a story (I can think of lots of other kids that keep their horses with their trainers, then ride and compete on the weekend, and do it at the UL and fairly successfully). She just so happened to get an article written about her.

bornfreenowexpensive

Aug. 15, 2008, 06:53 PM

Shouldn't the POINT of safety being highlighting people doing it right. There are many ways to the top of the sport. Having the skills and the right horse are key. There is MORE than one way to get there. Cayla got there by having the skills, having a talented horse and getting talented help.....that is a good thing in my book. Can everyone follow her....no. But I'm sick and tired of people thinking you can only be a good eventer and good role model if you have taken a horse off the meat truck and brought it up the levels your self. That is BS. I love a good underdog story....but most of the TOP riders...age old riders...from Jimmy Wofford on, rode around their first *** or **** on horses that had been there before. There are exceptions of course....but if you ask most of them....the better, smarter and SAFER choice is to learn the ropes on an experienced mount and to be in a program with the best trainer you can.

And even with that experienced mount, you are still going to need to work your a** off.

TuxWink

Aug. 15, 2008, 07:54 PM

I just got my magazine and read this article. While I agree the title isn't entirely appropriate for this piece, I don't really see the need to bash this young woman or the USEA. This was a very brief and superficial piece about her and I don't know how you can determine anything except that she has a nice horse that she is working out the kinks with at the upper levels. I also don't understand how she isn't a good "role model" for young people, or acting irresponsibly, or any of the other things she's been accused of. I mean, how many of the safety discussions recommend having an appropriate mount, taking lessons, and working your way up the levels? Is this not what she has done? Should she have mentioned more about Pony Club, or all the time she spent grooming, or what? What can absolve you of the sin of having money to spend on a nice horse and lessons with good instructors?

I rarely post much here because of the judgements and hysteria that seem to prevail. This thread is a perfect example. I can understand being frustrated with safety issues, but please don't foist this venom on a young rider who had a puff piece written about them in a magazine.

dignified

Aug. 15, 2008, 08:23 PM

I must say that I do miss those "rags to riches stories". I am still a young rider and the barn I grew up in was full of people who had to work themselves to the bone to be able to be a successful competitor at the upper levels. I am thankful I had them as role models and not the people who buy fancy horses and show up to ride them, but don't really care. There are a ton of young riders out there now with really nice horses (some even have multiple nice horses!) who I watch go around and they make me nervous. There horses totally pack them around, but there is only so much a horse is able to do to save its rider. I am not saying Cayla is like one of these young riders at all. As a college student who rides and competes I admire her for being able to be so successful at both... it is not easy! But I am jealous that she was able to buy that four star horse and go to Rolex. There are so many people out there who have to work hard to compete and keep up with the professionals. I admire those people more and would like to read more articles about them!

deltawave

Aug. 15, 2008, 08:40 PM

Again, while I understand the use of good old hyperbole, I fail to see where anything on this entire thread even remotely resembles "venom" or "hysteria". :confused:

Thames Pirate

Aug. 15, 2008, 08:41 PM

Again, nobody is bashing Cayla (well, most of us aren't). She is clearly a good rider, a well-grounded, intelligent, and genuine person, and someone with both talent and opportunity. That's great, and the article touched on some of that in some good ways.

The issue here isn't sour grapes. Do I wish I had the opportunities she does? Heck, yeah! Would I buy Esker? In a heartbeat! Am I jealous? I guess, but not in a nasty way--I certainly don't think she SHOULDN'T have Esker. It sounds like it's a good setup for both horse and rider.

I have no problems buying a horse slightly (or even a lot) more experienced than the rider. Heck, I bought a horse that had competed to Training when I hadn't done even a Novice in years. She's been great for me, and I've learned a lot from her. Nobody said it has to be a "rags to riches" story.

What we are wondering about is the TIMING and the attitude of the piece. When there's so much emphasis on making sure you have the foundations, they showed a rider buying a made horse. While Cayla very well may have the foundations to ride said horse, they didn't talk about that--the article barely mentioned her previous experience. They really made it seem like she just bought the horse and went for it. While we know (from the experiences of people on this board who know Cayla or have seen her go) that's not true, it's the slant the article took. THAT is the objection to the piece, regardless of which rider it is.

As someone pointed out, the glorification of the return of DC is of a similar type of problem. It glorifies the very antithesis of what we want our younger/lower level riders to emulate. Again, I'm not saying Cayla is the antithesis, but that the article portrayed her story as such. Sorry, Cayla--you got shafted b/c the USEA chose to highlight the wrong part of your story/accomplishments. Best wishes.

The USEA really does need to be aware of the message it is sending every time it publishes something. For example, there was a piece last fall about "one to watch"--great piece about a cute kid who has talent and grit, but not neccessarily money. It's inspirational and about someone competing at Training, which is nice. However, even this piece sent the message that the only people worth profiling are those aiming for the top or those with the talent to get there. Another excellent piece was a recent one about the guy who was 70 and had completed his 100th HT--most at Training Level--on the 24 year old Morgan. That was neat--he was having fun, realized it was not in his horse's best interest to go Prelim (without the time/means to properly prep for it), and took the high road--and had a great time doing it! That's the type of story that belonged in this particular issue. Those are the people we need to hold up for YRs to emulate, and that's where the USEA strayed.

RAyers

Aug. 15, 2008, 08:51 PM

Again, while I understand the use of good old hyperbole, I fail to see where anything on this entire thread even remotely resembles "venom" or "hysteria". :confused:

Apparently the use of any published information for the use of discussion or as an example is.

Again, the publication of this article coincided with possibly contradictory statements also published with the same issue as well as those made on ESPN. The article is published and the 1st Amendment comes into play.

I have an idea, instead of using Cayla's name let's go very generic. Let's use the name, Bob is Really, I'm a Dedicated Equestrian Sport (Bob Rides for short) so we maintain PC standards. When Bob Rides has an article written, that information, right or wrong, is available for the public to disseminate and discuss. How is this any different than gossip at the gate? I'm sure everyone here has used a Bob Rides story as an example whether to teach, belittle, inspire or otherwise.

Reed

retreadeventer

Aug. 15, 2008, 09:09 PM

The USEA really does need to be aware of the message it is sending every time it publishes something. .......

When I read the issue I thought I would refrain from posting about this article since the person who wrote it is a friend and doing a really tough job in a very difficult situation at present. And the rider I think is a rising star too and to read your name on this board, to be criticized by nameless posters without thought for how that might make you feel -- I can understand the pain and tears you would feel seeing your name in a subject line and three for four pages of frank and critical discussion about YOU.

When you work for an association, you write what they want. The editorial slant of an association publication is not like that of an independent news magazine, like The Chronicle.

As a long time writer and editor, I made the mistake of trying to make a big story from a small one once, with a young rider, and we all fell on our faces - me, the rider, and my editor. Learned from the mistake.

But what is more important to me is the editorial focus of future issues. This comes down from on high, and it's not the writer's call what slant is desired on articles. I am dismayed that closer attention is not being paid to the very important direction the USEA is going in right now with regard to editorial both online and on paper. I think this is part and parcel of good public relations and as you know I am not holding back on my criticism of the PR direction the association is taking at the moment.

There needs to be a careful editing that creates "clinics" of articles, displaying learning opportunities; there needs to be truly interesting features about horses and people, young and old; there needs to be timely summaries of issues currently circulating in the sport; and opinion pieces that create thought and develop solutions that can be discussed intelligently.
JMHO for what it is worth.

I think if that article had been edited a bit differently, we would not have this thread.

Thames Pirate

Aug. 15, 2008, 09:14 PM

I think if that article had been edited a bit differently, we would not have this thread.

Agreed, and it was also not meant as a criticism of the author per se. It was well-written, although from a poor slant, and would have been great in a neutral time, not during a time of upheaval.

beeblebrox

Aug. 15, 2008, 09:30 PM

I am sure several of those being critical would not turn down the ride on a **** star horse if they had the opportunity, balls to ride it coupled with a shred of talent and trade in their spewing pessimism.

For that matter few would turn down rides on nice horse no matter what the level, a nice horse is a joy. Those riding nice horses often spurned as undeserving and not fair. Some are born with it or YOU want it marry it or get a education and earn it but for GODS sake do not criticize someone riding a nice horse well.

I believe no matter how nice the horse is there has to be a little rider talent to ride **** safely.
:confused:;);):no:

Edited to state I understand some are upset with the tone or message of the Article but some are petty about a girl riding some nice horses which I do not think is right.

sofiethewonderhorse

Aug. 15, 2008, 09:43 PM

Thank you Denny!

Cayla is a lovely young woman, I watched her ride at SPHP in March and again at Rolex. Yes, she missed a stadium fence, and some of you think there wasn't a consequence to that error? Her x-country was polished, safe and sound.

Some of you mentioned Kristin B but what about Natalie B. 3 or 4 years ago...Young, talented rider, came into Stadium in 1st place, refusal at the first fence....AND? you think there wasn't a consequence.

Reed and gang...what would you suggest? minimum age to ride Rolex? then what do you do with Sara M? Being a democracy, do we then have a maximum age? 'oops...sorry Bruce, out you go'. Number of years in the saddle? 'you mean everyone is supposed to move East of the Mississippi River, by farms, horses, start PC'ing at the age of 5 in order to have enough experience to ride at the upper levels in time for the NYRC?

It's unfortunate the magazine didn't have enough snap to change the title, but is that really Cayla's fault?

At the risk of repeating myself, if one of our children wanted to event and trained to the Advanced Level, then you can bet your bottom I would be buying the most experienced horse my pocket book could afford. I would also have that kid with the best Coach I could find AND if the kid couldn't ride because of College (or whatever) then I would be paying that Coach to ride that horse.

Kudos to her parents for watching out for her!

Kathryn

If we`re gonna pick on one kid, why not pick on dozens of other kids whose family money allowed them to excel early and often. I won`t name names, but we all know rafts of them in the horse world.

Come on, guys, she`s just a kid who happened to be the subject of an article. And she`s playing by existing rules.

If we don`t like the rules, let`s pick on them.

Meredith Clark

Aug. 15, 2008, 11:37 PM

If my parents offered to buy me a 4* horse I'd say "THANK YOU MOMMIE AND DADDY!"

Then i'd go poor spending my money on lessons trying to ride the thing!

I was blessed to ride my trainer's former upper level horse and she tought me sooo much I can understand how much one can learn from a talented horse.

vali

Aug. 16, 2008, 12:14 AM

I've known Cayla since she was 10, and she was a beautiful rider even then. She had a nice horse then too, but he loved to buck and she learned to stick pretty well to him and some other not so easy rides. She got her start with the same trainer I ride with and learned all the pony club basics. I watched her ride around Rolex and it was a lovely ride, balanced, tight position, and no moments to cause fear in spectators. Has she had advantages? Sure, but most upper level riders these days either had familial help or money from some source. It's very expensive to compete at that level and with the decline in the long format the OTTB's no longer have an advantage. And let's be realistic, there's so much talk of safety issues, and it's far safer to do your first 4 star with a horse that's done it all than to try it green on green. I agree the article took a stupid slant on things, but let's not blame Cayla for that.

ponyjumper4

Aug. 16, 2008, 12:29 AM

Outfox

Aug. 16, 2008, 12:36 AM

I have an idea, instead of using Cayla's name let's go very generic. Let's use the name, Bob

Since Bob would be the minority in Eventing, then you should use a name more appropriate, like Barbara or Mary, et al.

Either way, I find it interesting at how the status quo has problems with this article. It's a good reflection of our sport today.

Money buys short cuts.

sofiethewonderhorse

Aug. 16, 2008, 12:54 AM

Money Buys Shortcuts? hmmmm, my floppy eared friend will tell me I'm feeling a bit frisky; my other friends, smile:lol:.

Does Money Buy Shortcuts? Think that thru Outfox, think it thru very carefully.

Money Buys Shortcuts in some Arenas, not in ALL Arenas. Why does this community continue to PaintTheWorldWithOneColoredBrush:

WhenItComesToMoney:

MoneyEQUALSUnworthyAdvantagesWhichNegateResponsibi litySkillAndCommonSense:

OR

MoneyEQUALSTheDifferenceMoneyCanMakeWhenBasicHuman ityResponsibility,AndSkillsAreBeingTaught?

Don't get it, never have never will

Regards,

Kathryn

Since Bob would be the minority in Eventing, then you should use a name more appropriate, like Barbara or Mary, et al.

Either way, I find it interesting at how the status quo has problems with this article. It's a good reflection of our sport today.

Money buys short cuts.

>>generic. Let's use the name, Bob is Really, I'm a Dedicated Equestrian Sport (Bob Rides for short) so we maintain PC standards. When Bob Rides has an article written, that information, right or wrong, is available for the public to disseminate and discuss. How is this any different than gossip at the gate? I'm sure everyone here has used a Bob Rides story as an example whether to teach, belittle, inspire or otherwise. <<

crittertwitter

Aug. 16, 2008, 09:14 AM

Back as less of a poser and I'm blaring a certain old ACDC cd.

I agree with Reed (way back, I believe) that for purposes of this thread, one could just as easily substitute Cayla's name with an endless stream of names in the horse world just poised to fill in the blank.

I see some others are getting all :mad: about this thread, and I can understand your being defensive, but there are other angles you can take on this.

Rather than reading this as a personal attack aimed at Cayla, I read this thread as the pulse of the forum in the face of signs that the USEA continues to ignore the gravity of the problems in eventing right now. Metaphorically, it's like the USEA is the spouse of an alcoholic, constantly covering and never coming face to face with the problem, all the while the kids are screaming in the background, and exhibiting varying degrees of dysfunction, as the parents just continue to plod along, telling happy stories and pretending that none of it is happening.

The result of all of this is commonly hypervigilance, and hypersensitivity to seemingly insignificant stimuli (e.g., a pretty generic, impersonal story about a young rider who went to Rolex). Alas, the children of the sport actually think the parents might at some point look down and acknowledge what's really going on. And in their frenzied naivete, they think there's a chance of saving the family if only the leadership would participate.

The "rough road" angle is definitely suspicious, in that it portrays - and its almost conceiveable that this is deliberate - a rough road as a few small glitches in the plan, an unfortunate fall in stadium or the difficulty of learning an advanced horse. Maybe there's a thread about this because this belittles the real rough roads (aka problems in eventing) - and one of the roughest of these is that eventing has brought so many to the *end* of the road.

This article seems untimely for readers who are in tune and concerned about the sport and anxious on a daaily basis to see some signs that things are getting back on track... and this article... that says "oh our little girl had a rough road... she had a fall in stadium. Quite serious. Quite devasatating indeed." It's just an insult that this is a big deal given the gravity of issues at the moment.

There's no moment of silence and no moment of deep contemplation to be witnessed among the leaders of the sport. The article on safety, to me, actually came across as kind of musing and light. But I digress.

Disclaimer: This reading is a copy of a copy. I'm not involved intimately enough with the USEA to call it the parent of a dysfunctional family.

pwynnnorman

Aug. 16, 2008, 10:01 AM

...But what is more important to me is the editorial focus of future issues. This comes down from on high, and it's not the writer's call what slant is desired on articles. I am dismayed that closer attention is not being paid to the very important direction the USEA is going in right now with regard to editorial both online and on paper. I think this is part and parcel of good public relations and as you know I am not holding back on my criticism of the PR direction the association is taking at the moment.

There needs to be a careful editing that creates "clinics" of articles, displaying learning opportunities; there needs to be truly interesting features about horses and people, young and old; there needs to be timely summaries of issues currently circulating in the sport; and opinion pieces that create thought and develop solutions that can be discussed intelligently.
JMHO for what it is worth.

I think if that article had been edited a bit differently, we would not have this thread.

Brilliant.

RAyers

Aug. 16, 2008, 10:21 AM

Reed and gang...what would you suggest? minimum age to ride Rolex? then what do you do with Sara M? Being a democracy, do we then have a maximum age? 'oops...sorry Bruce, out you go'. Number of years in the saddle? 'you mean everyone is supposed to move East of the Mississippi River, by farms, horses, start PC'ing at the age of 5 in order to have enough experience to ride at the upper levels in time for the NYRC?

Kathryn,

Actually, with newer qualifications, it is already happening, to a point. You still don't get what we are saying. Look at the sport as a whole. Retreadeventer has it right. It is all about the message.

sofiethewonderhorse

Aug. 16, 2008, 10:25 AM

You description is pretty darn accurate though:lol:

I guess I've never really placed much credence to the Eventing Magazine one way or another.

People came to arms because of the first six posts of this thread, the last 3 pages have brought out some very good ideas.

Personally, I get very tired of the 'money=all evil' and 'rags to riches' is the way to go. I think most people involved at the 'top' (whatever that is) will tell you that there is no money to be made in eventing, so 'rags to riches' is a bit of an oxymoron.

Regards

I read this thread as the pulse of the forum in the face of signs that the USEA continues to ignore the gravity of the problems in eventing right now. Metaphorically, it's like the USEA is the spouse of an alcoholic, constantly covering and never coming face to face with the problem, all the while the kids are screaming in the background, and exhibiting varying degrees of dysfunction, as the parents just continue to plod along, telling happy stories and pretending that none of it is happening.
Disclaimer: This reading is a copy of a copy. I'm not involved intimately enough with the USEA to call it the parent of a dysfunctional family.

pwynnnorman

Aug. 16, 2008, 10:32 AM

This may seem irrelevant, but it's not really.

I was surprised to hear that USEA/USEF actually hired a PR firm to put on the Safety Summit.

IMO, a full-blown communications audit is what is really needed here, but if they could hire a firm for a single event, why not for a complete overhaul? (I know: it was probably because staff was tied up elsewhere as the whole thing had to have gotten the go-ahead "on the fly" due to the timing and other circumstances. Still, gets one thinking...)

gottagrey

Aug. 16, 2008, 10:59 AM

While I've not read the article, from what I seen in some of the posts it pretty much reflects alot of the self-indulgent attitude which seem to be prevelent in the USA - in part because the last 10-20 years people are making so much money. A few years ago a college grad I knew balked at being offered a job for only $50K - didn't take it - how could I possibly live off that? She wondered. Many of us created this attitude among the younger generation because we gave them everything we and they wanted. When I was growing up most of my friends had ONE Family car, you were considered RICH if you had 2, even if the 2nd was some tired old putt-putt to get around town, really rich if both cars were newer:lol: Now it seems (depending on where you live) if a 16 y/o doesn't get a BMW, Mercedes, Range Rover for their sweet 16 they are completely put out. When I was 16 if any of my friends had their own car it was either a gift from their grandparents who no longer drove (so you got their car) or because at age 10 they had a paper route so they could start saving for a car. I never read/heard about any of my friends or classmates in the news.

So should it really come to any of our surprise that a young rider gets an upper level horse (of any discipline) to pack them around an eventing course, show jumping course?

JAGold

Aug. 16, 2008, 11:13 AM

hmmm...just feel I need to set the record straight on one bit of info, and I'm not sure where the issue lies with how one little fact got turned around, but Cayla did NOT import Docksider as a three year old from Ireland. The boss (as in, my boss) imported him, and not as a 3 yr. old, but as a going novice (our prelim) horse. He was about 7 at the time. Cayla bought him from the boss and came up with him from training level on. I'm not sure how the imported as a 3 yr. old story came along. Could be the case of a silly teenager making up a great story (let's admit it, teenagers are prone to this sort of thing). (bold mine)

Please don't insinuate that Cayla lied based on someone else's recollection of a conversation that took place 8 years earlier. Whether or not the USEA article was well-written, I'm sure the discussion here must be painful to Cayla. That doesn't mean the conversation is inappropriate, though it would be nice to make it a bit less personal. However, the additional, and currently unsupported, accusation that she "made up" her history with Docksider is just uncalled for.

PhoenixFarm

Aug. 16, 2008, 11:27 AM

(bold mine)

Please don't insinuate that Cayla lied based on someone else's recollection of a conversation that took place 8 years earlier. Whether or not the USEA article was well-written, I'm sure the discussion here must be painful to Cayla. That doesn't mean the conversation is inappropriate, though it would be nice to make it a bit less personal. However, the additional, and currently unsupported, accusation that she "made up" her history with Docksider is just uncalled for.

I agree completely, as the one who stated the story. My memory is what it is, human, and certainly potentially flawed. If I wasn't up to my eyeballs right now, I'd try to dig the thing out of my files and look it up. But, either way, let's not accuse the poor kid of being a liar, on top of everything else that she's been accused of on this thread. If there is an error, it could very likely be mine.

Either way though, the, to me, crux of the story stands, in that she made up her first advanced horse, THEN bought the "made" horse.

But I think the end of this thread has it right--I agree the timing and presentation of the message was questionable in the least. But it's not Kayla's fault, so let's give her a break.

mbarrett

Aug. 16, 2008, 12:25 PM

I bet the article was written after the Rolex and before the Safety Summit. I would wager a bet that the editorial staff didn't see the connection between the article and the current safety/rules/course design/qualification issues that are in the forefront right now.

The article was probably written, photos gathered and it was assigned an issue to be published in. They probably didn't give the article much thought beyond the fact it had a spot in the next issue of Eventing. It was a feature article about a rider in the sport of eventing. Nothing more, nothing less.

I used to work in the magazine industry as a graphic designer. I call tell you from experience that sometimes it's a mad dash to make the deadline and that's all that matters sometimes! Many times you don't notice errors until the article is already published! Not good proofing, but it happens.

I bet the editorial staff will be more careful next time.

quietann

Aug. 16, 2008, 12:52 PM

Gottagrey,

There have *always* been wealthy people involved in horse sports. Always been kids whose parents have paid their way... and adults with trust funds etc. I rather suspect that some of our current favorite BNRs and BNTs have "family money" behind them, and plenty of them had their own cars, paid for by parents, when they were teens!

The resentment directed at this young woman because she is wealthy is just unbelievable to me. At the same time, I think the USEA really blew it in how they presented this piece... this is NOT a rags to riches story.

I do think Cayla's parents were *very* smart to insist on college. They clearly want her to be able to support herself at some point, and the chances of her being able to do that in the horse business are very small. Also, it appears that her "riding on weekends" was limited to when school was in session -- which is about 30 weeks out of the year... and she still squeezed in 3 productive riding days per week.

yellowbritches

Aug. 16, 2008, 01:01 PM

(bold mine)

Please don't insinuate that Cayla lied based on someone else's recollection of a conversation that took place 8 years earlier. Whether or not the USEA article was well-written, I'm sure the discussion here must be painful to Cayla. That doesn't mean the conversation is inappropriate, though it would be nice to make it a bit less personal. However, the additional, and currently unsupported, accusation that she "made up" her history with Docksider is just uncalled for.
hmm...I was kinda damned if I did, damned if I didn't with this one. Cayla did NOT import Docksider as a three year old, so that is definitely misinformation. However, either Phoenix can't remember clearly what she heard or Cayla said she did. Poor judgment on my part of saying what I did, sorry, fact remains, she didn't import that horse. I can't just let that slide. However, she's still a great kid with lots of good years ahead of her.

Hey Mickey

Aug. 16, 2008, 04:38 PM

I didn't read all the posts.. haven't got the time, but I will later.(maybe)

For me, as a 20 year old college student who pays for college and the horse, and evrything else I do. (who wants to make it to the rolex someday)
The artical was discouraging...
Mostaly because I'm jelouse. I got a $800 straight off the Track horse to learn how to event on.. She gets a advanced horse . If I'd had a mommy/daddy that had the money, I too could be in the same shoes... but I'm not. so whatever...

I agree, getting to the rolex is not easy whether you have the made horse or not.
But it didn't sound like she had a "rough road". but of course it wasn't an easy road either.

I want to read about who got 8th in Intermidate at the AEC's or the AA who's riding advanced with 3 kids and a job (if thats possible) or people like my Vet. or who got 1st at some BN champonships.
I want to read articals about people I can relate too.

sofiethewonderhorse

Aug. 17, 2008, 12:16 AM

Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

While I've not read the article, from what I seen in some of the posts it pretty much reflects alot of the self-indulgent attitude which seem to be prevelent in the USA - in part because the last 10-20 years people are making so much money. A few years ago a college grad I knew balked at being offered a job for only $50K - didn't take it - how could I possibly live off that? She wondered. Many of us created this attitude among the younger generation because we gave them everything we and they wanted. When I was growing up most of my friends had ONE Family car, you were considered RICH if you had 2, even if the 2nd was some tired old putt-putt to get around town, really rich if both cars were newer:lol: Now it seems (depending on where you live) if a 16 y/o doesn't get a BMW, Mercedes, Range Rover for their sweet 16 they are completely put out. When I was 16 if any of my friends had their own car it was either a gift from their grandparents who no longer drove (so you got their car) or because at age 10 they had a paper route so they could start saving for a car. I never read/heard about any of my friends or classmates in the news.

So should it really come to any of our surprise that a young rider gets an upper level horse (of any discipline) to pack them around an eventing course, show jumping course?

eventmom

Aug. 17, 2008, 08:52 AM

There is nothing inherintly wrong with money, or coming from money. All of those among us who rode as kids, did so with our parents money.
And money does not necessarily ruin kids either.
Money is freedom. It is freedom to create options, and meet the needs of your kids.
As a parent, it is my job to wade through all of the opinions of my girls, and trainers, and coaches, and everybody else in her horse world, and try to find that horse that meets their needs the best at every level. My goal is not that my kids would "win" but we are looking for that horse that will teach my kids the most at this point. So far, I sure don't think an expensive horse would be the answer. Could we afford an expensive horse for my kid? Sure, if it was necessary. But instead we have bought our girls animals that they had to work on, and learn from that work.
My girls are young, and I can't say I know what the future will bring. But I can say that we are trying to raise horsemen in our kids. We are trying to soak up all the experiences we can at each level. I just don't think that is done by buying packers.
We too see all the kids at the competitions. Really nice horses. Really bad riding.
I have always been of the persuasion that it is much safer to ride a mount when you know what is under the hood, because you put it there.
I also read the article on Bob. It did look to me like a lot of money was flying around. It also sounds like Bob's parents did the best job they could to buy horses that met their kids needs.
Maybe they eventually caved to the pressure to buy that nice horse. I don't know. Maybe we will some day as well.
But I can't at this point imagine that, because one of our big goals at this point is that our daughters would learn how to make their own.
To us, and our girls, that IS the sport of eventing.
I have been reading the threads about "made" horses or not with interest. I just don't think it is that simple.
My younger daughter is a bit of a fearful rider. So we went out and purchased her a pony with the most amazing breaks. But this pony was by no means a packer. We bought her a pony that had issues, but they were issues she could deal with. That way, she still gets to train, but within her comfort zone.
Again, money is freedom to make choices for your kids. Not every parent is going to choose to buy their kids way to the top.
You can buy the horse, but you can't buy safety when they are out on course.

deltawave

Aug. 17, 2008, 08:55 AM

All of those among us who rode as kids, did so with our parents money.

Absolutely false! Many of us did it in spite of our parents having no money. We certainly weren't doing it at the high levels (speaking for myself, at least) but we were riding anything with hair and had lots of blisters on our hands to demonstrate how we made it happen. :)

eventmom

Aug. 17, 2008, 08:58 AM

flyingchange

Aug. 17, 2008, 09:10 AM

Absolutely false! Many of us did it in spite of our parents having no money. We certainly weren't doing it at the high levels (speaking for myself, at least) but we were riding anything with hair and had lots of blisters on our hands to demonstrate how we made it happen. :)

Ditto.... My Mom paid for a few lessons when I was eight or nine, but after that, it was up to me to make it happen. Certainly didn't buy me a horse - that was a complete pipe dream. I mucked stalls and rode rank horses in exchange. And I'm not saying "don't cry for me Argentina" (sorry, LOL), but that is just the way it was for me growing up. My family has never contributed one dime to my riding. Every horse I have ever leased or bought - I have done it on my own dime.

And I am not saying it is a bad thing for one's family to finance one's riding. As has been said here in one form or another, there are "different ways to skin a cat." I do not fault Cayla for having the opportunities that she has had. And I do think, from what I have seen, she is a kick ass rider. My issue is not with her but with the slant that was put on that story in "Eventing."

eventingfan

Aug. 17, 2008, 09:11 AM

I would like to put out a different perspective on the "made" horse issue. We bought our daughter the unmade horse to begin her eventing career too. But when the time came to make the move to training, we leased a "made" horse who taught her the ropes. Then she was able to more productively teach her own guy. When the time came to make the move to Intermediate, we had the opportunity to lease an amazing 4* horse. He took her from Intermediate thru 3* and now she is teaching that original unmade horse the proper way through those levels. Our feeling has been that it was in our daughter's and her own horse's best interest to be taught by the best equine partner we could find. And as a mother, the only thing that got me through that first Advanced XC day was the knowledge that she was mounted on the best partner in the world :-) She has the best of human trainers and equine....seemed like a win/win to us.

luise

Aug. 17, 2008, 09:24 AM

I finally got my magazine so I could read the article. I totally agree that the magazine is trying to put a slant on the article that is not really true. I don't think Cayla had a "rough road" to Rolex. Yes, she did have to work hard to get there, but I had a really hard time feeling for her. Especially when the article goes on and talks about how she trains with Phillip, or Boyd when he is away, or Silva for dressage. Poor baby! A rough road would be the college student who didn't have the financial means to just put their horse into training, and so worked multiple jobs to make his/her dream come true. Putting your horse in training with Phillip and then driving to Aiken every weekend is no rough road! We should all be so lucky. Maybe the slant should be more about how priveleged she is!
Again, I'm not discounting her as a rider, I certainly couldn't get around Rolex, but she did look more of a passenger than a rider when going around that course.
Perhaps an article on Kelly Sult (like COTH had several months ago), would have been more appropriate.

saratoga

Aug. 17, 2008, 10:04 AM

deltawave

Aug. 17, 2008, 10:14 AM

There's an enormous difference between a parent supporting a child in a normal fashion, including driving them here and there and providing the occasional gift, etc. and parents subsidizing and expensive hobby. The advantages a wealthy family can provide in terms of a "leg up" in a sport like this are indisputable. Heck, even "moral support" from a family that hasn't got money but helps out with allowing the opportunity is a huge help.

But it's just not true that "all of us" who rode as kids did so with our parents' money. Many of us did it in spite of no money from our parents, and I do mean none. Not that they wouldn't, but they couldn't. I don't consider room and board and a ride to the barn in bad weather the same as "money". :) That was about the limit of what I got given to me, and yes, please don't cry for me either, Argentina. :D

I think buying a packer is a great thing to do for a kid (or adult!!) who's ready to make that next step and needs a capable helper. No question there, and I don't perceive anyone really arguing that point.

flea

Aug. 17, 2008, 10:38 AM

Eventingfan...I like the practical soundness of your approach. Learning from an experienced horse and putting that knowledge to use with her less experienced. If one has done the homework, has the ability to move up, and the means, I believe an experienced horse is wonderful.

eventmom

Aug. 17, 2008, 10:39 AM

There's an enormous difference between a parent supporting a child in a normal fashion, including driving them here and there and providing the occasional gift, etc. and parents subsidizing and expensive hobby. .
No question. But the former is what I was refering to when I first posted. Sorry if I was not clear
I think buying a packer is a great thing to do for a kid (or adult!!) who's ready to make that next step and needs a capable helper. No question there, and I don't perceive anyone really arguing that point.
While I agree, the title of the article in question is wrong, I also think there is a hint of disrespect going on for those who are lucky enough to have parental support.
I just wanted to point out that there are those of us out there, that while yes, we are subsidizing our kids interests, it is possible to do so in a way that is wise and actually helps them advance appropriatly.
Just because you had parents who could afford to help you, it does not you a bad rider make!
Again, money is not the problem. Bad decisions are the problem.

deltawave

Aug. 17, 2008, 11:09 AM

Not a single argument from me on those points, EM. :)

chukkerchild

Aug. 17, 2008, 11:57 AM

I do find something flawed about this criticism and not just here but in all disciplines...where someone who has nice horses, and is lucky financially and backing wise is somehow less of a rider or less deserving of praise and even in some comments success.

Agreed. Talent is completely seperate from wealth. It's easy for the jealous, whining lower-level people (myself included! :lol:) to look at a high-level, wealthy rider and think, "They're only there because of MONEY." Um, well, I call bullshit. You need talent to ride at the upper levels, and hard work too, no matter how much money you have. I can GUARANTEE that there are a ton of incredibly weathly people in the lower-levels, bumbling along on their pricey packers, who will never see the inside of the Grand Prix ring or the four star course, because they don't have the talent or the drive.

So yes, you can argue that it's unfair that the less wealthy and talented riders may never get their big break. But can you guiltlessly argue that the wealthy and talented don't deserve to get to the upper levels, just because they are wealthy?

pwynnnorman

Aug. 17, 2008, 01:36 PM

I did not say that all of your family's were rich! But if you rode when you were very young, you did it on your parents dime. Maybe it was your parents gas getting there, or maybe it was your neighbors pony off of your parents farm, but a young child would have no way without a parents support at some level.
Of course, there are exceptions, but very few.
I suspect there are more than "a few," eventmom, depending on how old you are and where you lived when you were growing up.

I got a $50 birthday present from my great aunt when I was ten, hitched a ride to the local livestock auction with the same friend who I galloped around the dirt roads with bareback on a horse given to me (and then taken back the day before I went to the livestock auction) and bought an AQHA-Arabian cross weanling that wasn't even halter broke. Then I begged the folks I babysat for to send their groom to help me get the thing home (luckily, it was a pony colt, so the hefty groom just picked him up and threw him onto the trailer). My parents never gave me a dime, but they also never said "no" (well, "take it back" would probably be more accurate since I'd learned early on that fait accompli tactics went well with my parents' laissez faire attitude), and I'm grateful for their inaction.

I think, in fact, that my experience does indeed illustrate a significant difference between yesterday and today. Due to the expense and to the environments from whence riders now come (in contrast to the horse country, pony club, foxhunting neighborhood I lived in, which enables me to actually have a job babysitting and then riding to pay for my pony), it's not POSSIBLE for a kid to get a horse without his or her parents' help in some way. Fact is, it was possible for me--and that undoubtedly had a profound effect on how I (and others like me) developed, both in riding and in horsemanship.

And it's that change that we are now struggling to deal with. I say again, we have to stop pretending that change isn't significant, stop being offended by it, stop avoiding the examples of it, and stop misleading people (young riders, their parents, owners) about its ramifications.

magnolia73

Aug. 17, 2008, 02:37 PM

I think the shift has helped with hunter/jumpers. Some very young kids are doing Grand Prixs now. They have just a ton of opportunities to ride and compete and access to multiple horses. Granted, they need money, acknowledge talent or a parent that is a trainer- but they can rack up experience so easily.

With eventing- all the money in the world can't get you that experience- there are a handful of events in the US and unless you have a bunch of experience, you won't have 3-4 trips round Rolex. It sounds like that experience used to come from hunting or ummm- being a crazy kid. It seems to me like what is going to be needed are programs as intense as Missy Clark's for eventers. Daily, focused programs to get kids riding. Access to multiple horses. But doing eventer things- practicing gallops, schooling XC questions. Not an occassional clinic or a stint as a working student, but a focused program prepping kids for eventing. Call it a three year Camp Denny if you will. If Missy Clark's kids are practicing without stirrups over a course, the event kids would be doing gallops in short stirrups on rolling terrain. But a day in, day out focused course of study.

I think the method of riding one day and showing and the rest of the time, trainer rides can work to some degree- but really at the top levels - ummm, no. Not for any discipline with the possible exception of a very talented rider with pre-existing experience. It is amazing that Cayla did so well. I think she must be very exceptional and I would hope that people would not back on repeating that success. And honestly- what if with her resources, she had ridden and worked with multiple horses day in, day out, under close scrutiny of her trainer- she could be a huge force today. Not just an article.

Whisper

Aug. 17, 2008, 03:45 PM

I did not say that all of your family's were rich! But if you rode when you were very young, you did it on your parents dime. Maybe it was your parents gas getting there, or maybe it was your neighbors pony off of your parents farm, but a young child would have no way without a parents support at some level.
Of course, there are exceptions, but very few.
I got to ride a lot when I was a kid, without costing my parents anything for it. I talked with the owner of one horse who was pastured alone, when I was out walking my dog, and he gave me permission to come and hop on him bareback whenever I liked, in exchange for cleaning/refilling the water tank as needed and picking out the pasture. There was also a self-care boarding barn (the stalls were made out of multi-colored scrap lumber, and frequently had multiple mail slots, and the fencing was barbed wire). I did "will muck for rides or $5" for a lot of people there, and was able to arrange a completely free lease in exchange for caring for one horse. Later, another owner let me ride two of his horses and get $5/day in exchange for mucking/feeding/watering/etc. for all 5 of his horses. So, it didn't cost my parents anything, and I had a little extra cash for fun stuff, or to contribute to the family if we were short on bills (I did other minor jobs and raised 4-H animals as well, which generated more income). I don't think my situation is all that unusual - I've heard of lots of "barn rats." ;) With liability concerns, and horses being pushed out of urban areas now, I think it's usually harder for kids now to go that route.

quietann

Aug. 17, 2008, 04:18 PM

Whisper, you have a point about it being a lot harder to get to a barn, be allowed to ride etc. I'm in the Boston area, and to the best of my knowledge, there are a tiny handful of barns anywhere on public transit (and most are low-end rental outfits.) One needs a car to get to most places, and parents are busy and can't just drive their kids anywhere. Private horse owners are not going to just let any kid hop on and ride, and for many, no one rides the horse except them and their trainer, if they have one. It is just too much of a risk.

When I was first getting back into riding, there were people who just did not believe me when I said that as a kid, there was *no* way to get to the stable where I rode except by car. I grew up in a big sprawling city and as the horses got pushed further and further out, fewer "city kids" could take up riding. It was what a lot of kids are facing now, just 30 years earlier.

The liability thing is killing me... I'm boarding at a dressage barn and there are HUGE fields next door and across the street, but we are not allowed to gallop there... It would be great for a lot of the horses to get away from the ring, and when I am riding again, my mare loves to be galloped, but if one wants that one has to trailer out. The landowners are just too afraid of liability, even though the law is very clear that as long as they are not charging money to use their fields, they cannot be held liable if someone has an accident.

There's huge enthusiasm in my area for eventing, many people want to do it, but it's not easy without a lot of land. So this means people go out sometimes without a lot of prep, especially at X/C ... very scary!

eventmom

Aug. 17, 2008, 04:32 PM

I suspect there are more than "a few," eventmom, depending on how old you are and where you lived when you were growing up.

I got a $50 birthday present from my great aunt when I was ten, hitched a ride to the local livestock auction with the same friend who I galloped around the dirt roads with bareback on a horse given to me (and then taken back the day before I went to the livestock auction) and bought an AQHA-Arabian cross weanling that wasn't even halter broke. Then I begged the folks I babysat for to send their groom to help me get the thing home (luckily, it was a pony colt, so the hefty groom just picked him up and threw him onto the trailer). My parents never gave me a dime, but they also never said "no" (well, "take it back" would probably be more accurate since I'd learned early on that fait accompli tactics went well with my parents' laissez faire attitude), and I'm grateful for their inaction.

I think, in fact, that my experience does indeed illustrate a significant difference between yesterday and today. Due to the expense and to the environments from whence riders now come (in contrast to the horse country, pony club, foxhunting neighborhood I lived in, which enables me to actually have a job babysitting and then riding to pay for my pony), it's not POSSIBLE for a kid to get a horse without his or her parents' help in some way. Fact is, it was possible for me--and that undoubtedly had a profound effect on how I (and others like me) developed, both in riding and in horsemanship.

And it's that change that we are now struggling to deal with. I say again, we have to stop pretending that change isn't significant, stop being offended by it, stop avoiding the examples of it, and stop misleading people (young riders, their parents, owners) about its ramifications.

Fair enough. But I don't believe that this one factor alone, financial status, determines what kind of rider you might become. Didn't the O'Conners both come from middle class families? Didn't their parents supply them with appropriate ponies?
To me that is kinda like if our grandmothers decided that real cooks should not use electric stoves. No, they should do it the old fashioned way with fire and hard work.
Your right, times have changed. Seems like just as with the advent of the good ol stove, we can either make things so easy on suzie that she gets lazy and opens a can, or we can teach her to cook properly with that extra time we have because we bought the stove!
I hope that makes sense
Our family is by no means well off (except according to uncle sam!), but we are comfortable enough to be able to do what we want for our kids.
We have made the decision to spend those funds, not on fancy horses, but on amazing trainers and appropriate horses.
Our kids both get the best training in our money can buy, and they both are doing well for it. We are doing the best we can to teach them how to cook. Easy, maybe. Atleast at this point when they are young. But a life with horses is never easy. Training horses properly is always going to be hard work.
The rewards, priceless.

Whisper

Aug. 17, 2008, 05:11 PM

Quietann, I agree, and many trails just don't have footing for anything faster than a trot. :( I've been very fortunate to be able to get free rides, currently and in the past, but they certainly aren't close enough to walk or bike to, and there isn't public transit in that direction. I grew up in an urban area, but there were still the remnants of horses there. Now, they've been turned into housing.

A lot of people say that growing up riding over hill and dale, bareback, etc. makes for great horsepeople with a solid foundation. I personally found that it set me up with a lot of bad habits that were really hard to eradicate once I had the opportunity to get into lessons. :( I rarely fall off, but I'm neither as pretty nor as effective as I'd like to be! Lessons just were not an option at all when I was growing up. We didn't have a trainer available, and we could not have afforded lessons.

eventingfan

Aug. 17, 2008, 05:18 PM

"We have made the decision to spend those funds, not on fancy horses, but on amazing trainers and appropriate horses."

I guess my only difference with this is that I see these "made" horses as equine trainers..........not simply a shortcut to excellence.

pwynnnorman

Aug. 17, 2008, 06:30 PM

The thing is, we're all mainly focusing on riding...but eventing, unlike hunters (no criticism intended--it's jsut a different set of challenges), relies heavily on horsemanship, not just riding ability--or it used to.

See, that's what concerns me a bit, and I've said it before: I think some of the problems, some of the tragedies, have occurred because the skill of knowing your horse is no longer what it used to be. There's no way you can fly in on a weekend and know your horse well enough to feel when it is slightly off.

Now, in hunters, being slightly off is a lot less likely to get you injured than in eventing. When your trainer is off on his or her own horse, and you are walking yours back to the barn, will you notice as it starts to tie up, for example? When did you get to learn the signs of tying up while you were attending classes full time? It's not like your trainer can plan to have a horse tie up so you can feel the strangeness of it when you are mounted, see the stiffness and feel the hardness of the muscles. Have you ever seen brown pee? Do you hang around or glance in to look for it?

What about tendon microtears, back soreness, hairline fractures? If last week your horse hit that coop really hard and stung itself, but you didn't feel the sting because you were too focused on that steep slope that came afterward, will you take into account that horse's memory of pain next time out--or will you make a different assumption when it sucks back coming down to that upright at the top of the hill? Your trainer can't help you make this judgment because he or she wasn't riding the horse at the time. Your trainer is very limited in how much he or she can help you know your horses--and one of the biggest limitations is your ability to communicate relevant things about your experiences with the horse to your trainer. But what relevant things? Have you the judgment, the experience, the natural sense of the horse to be concerned about those "relevant things"?

I truly believe that the sport of eventing is not safe if you do not know your horse well, whether you are a pro riding half a dozen or more horses at an event, or an ammy flying in to ride just one. The only difference is that pros have a much deeper bag of tricks to try when things go wrong, even if they don't really know WHY things are going wrong. Ammies are limited in their abilities to get away with what they don't know.

SEPowell

Aug. 17, 2008, 06:41 PM

I've been following this not because I'm an eventer, but because I'm interested in seeing horses used well, and well into the future. So, when you say horsemanship, exactly what do you mean?

eventmom

Aug. 17, 2008, 06:45 PM

Good question sepowell.
My question is, why does sportsmanship have to be any different than it was in the past? I don't see how it matters who is paying for it.

Gnep

Aug. 17, 2008, 08:50 PM

When I read the article, I kinde shook my head, not because of the person portrait, but at the style and image the article is developing.

It is not the first one that gave me the rich and famous feeling, glitz and blitz.

All the power to Cayla, its not her fault that her family got money, she is making the very best out of it, she could be one of those absolut useless bozos.

But from the Eventing standpoint I would like to see the young pros portrait that are making a living in the horse world, without the beeing bankroled, les glitz and glamour, more dirt under the finger nails, because those are the ones that will stick around and actual have something to tell and educate.

pwynnnorman

Aug. 17, 2008, 09:48 PM

I've been following this not because I'm an eventer, but because I'm interested in seeing horses used well, and well into the future. So, when you say horsemanship, exactly what do you mean?

USPC H-A/A Test -- Presented for the heck of it.
(IMO, the most detailed conception of horsemanship in print.)
Not making a point with this. Just wanted to toss it out there!

Candidates must demonstrate a sound knowledge of horses,
their care, equipment, and training requirements. They must be
able to teach stable management and conduct mounted lessons,
showing an understanding of safety practices and teaching techniques
appropriate to different age levels. They must demonstrate
the ability to make informed decisions about all aspects of
running a barn, including daily routine and emergency procedures.

Presentation
Show a mount in hand as if for sale. Show the mount to its best
advantage, according to its suitability for the breed. The
mount should be shown in a correctly fitted bridle and the
candidate should show control of the mount while at the halt,
walk, and trot. The candidate should dress appropriately, i.e.,
riding attire, including gloves and a whip, as if prepared to
show how the mount performs.
Discuss general condition of the mount, giving an evaluation of
age, breeding, and shoeing. Discuss the mount’s conformation,
way of going and disposition related to the suitability for
a specific activity and performance level.
When aging by mount’s teeth, be familiar with the foal’s mouth,
the maturing and aging of incisors and molars, the incisors’
shapes as wear progresses, tooth angles, wolf teeth,
Galvayne’s groove, and molar wear.
When identifying mount’s shoeing, be familiar with: keg, feathered
edge shoe, polo, fullered, eggbar, heart bar, rocking toe,
aluminum wide web, aluminum race plates, clips, caulks,
studs (tapped shoes).
Discuss suitability and fit of tack used on the presented mount.

Tack
Describe inspection of saddlery for safety and fit, to determine
need for adjustment, repairs and/or padding.
Describe procedures for reclaiming neglected tack and for storing
tack.
Know how to make temporary adjustments in ill-fitting tack,
such as saddle on withers, cantle too low, leathers too long,
bridle too large, reins too long, bit too large or small, broken
tree.
Recognize types of bits and saddles, their fit, actions, and applications
for various mounts. Indicate which discipline and/or
rider the equipment is appropriate for. Bits: English snaffles,
double bridle, curb, pelham, kimberwick, gag, elevator, and
hackamores. Saddles: all purpose, dressage, jumping, close
contact, etc.
Discuss correct fitting, uses and misuses,of different types of
bits, saddles, girths, martingales, overgirths, draw reins, side
reins, boots, cruppers, and breast plates.

Stable Management
Outline a complete parasite control program for a stable; give
reasons for this program, including deworming drug classifications
relative to parasite cycles.
Discuss a program for yearly inoculation and for tooth care.
Describe ways to prevent spread of contagious diseases throughout
a stable.
Describe procedure for morning and evening inspection of
horses for health and safety in stable and in pasture.
Describe ways to aid a mount that is cast in its stall.
Describe a mount in poor condition and suggest several possible
causes.

Stable Construction/Pasture Management
Discuss good stable construction for safety and health, with
attention to ventilation, drafts, light, drainage, protection of
pipes in freezing weather, manure management, refuse disposal,
rodent and insect control, and storage of feed, bedding,
stable equipment and tack.
Discuss proper grazing and paddock management, including
watering systems, fencing, mowing, shelter, and poisonous
plants in your area.
Discuss the importance of soil testing, fertilizers, and seeding
for proper soil management.

Nutrition
Demonstrate ability to purchase feed responsibly by discussing
the characteristics, advantages, and disadvantages of different
types of grains, pellets, sweet and mixed feeds, bran, and
extruded feeds.
Discuss common sources of protein, fat, and carbohydrates in
typical equine rations.
Discuss interpretation of the nutritional value of feed available
from label information and know resources to expand this
information. Discuss minerals, vitamins, electrolytes and
some of their sources and possible dangers involved in misuse.
Discuss appropriate rations, including percentage of protein for
mounts: aged, growing, working, idle, and breeding .
Discuss cost of and safe storage methods for different varieties
and quantities of feed.
Discuss criteria used to determine whether or not feed supplements
are needed, benefits and dangers of use.
Discuss differences in care, as related to seasonal weather
changes for mounts at grass.

Health/Systems/Diseases
Identify major anatomical parts and describe basic functions of
the following systems: respiratory, urinary, circulatory/lymphatic,
nervous, digestive, reproductive, and skeletal.
Locate and discuss the following disorders/diseases according to
the anatomical system involved, causative agent, signs, and
care: colic, choking, heaves, laminitis, azoturia, periodic
opthalmia, rhinopneumonitis, influenza, encephalomyelitis,
tetanus, strangles, equine infectious anemia, rabies, Potomac
horse fever, equine venereal (viral) arteritis, EPM, and botulism.
Discuss predisposing factors, including symptoms and care of
mount for the following: fever, inflammation, edema, arthritis,
shock, and dehydration.
Discuss diseases associated with travel and exposure to strange
mounts.

Bandaging
Discuss and demonstrate proper application of shipping and stable
bandages. (Sheet cottons and flannels are recommended,
and candidates may be asked to demonstrate with these as
well as with other materials brought.)
Demonstrate application and know how to maintain any of the
following bandages: sweat, poultice, pressure, spider, figure
eight, knee, hock, cold water, and ice. Discuss values and
potential dangers when any of them are prescribed.

Special Care
Discuss common tranquilizers, sedatives, anti-inflammatories
and analgesics, using “trade” names, specifically: Ace (Prom-
Ace), Rompum (Xylazine), Banamine, Azium, Butazolidin,
Torbugesic, Ketoprofen, Dormosedan, and Dipyrone, plus
aspirin. Know why above listed drugs are used and possible
hazards involved.
Discuss specific precautions when shipping, feeding and
restraining a sedated mount.
Discuss both benefits and dangers of using twitches.
Describe other methods of physical restraint, from mild to
aggressive.

Travel Safety
Discuss techniques for loading and unloading difficult mounts.
Discuss possible causes for loading problems.
Discuss a year’s overall maintenance program for keeping a
trailer/van operationally safe.
Discuss ways to transport mares and foals.
Conformation and Lameness
Discuss lameness which might be associated with conformation
faults, to include:

base wide straight upright pasterns
base narrow standing under
cow hocks bench knees
sickle hocks knock knees
toe-in calf knees
toe-out over at the knee
contracted heels bow leg
camped out in front straight stifle
long sloping pasternsObserve a mount in action and assess his athletic ability as it
may be affected by any of the conformation faults listed above
and below:

straight shoulder various slopes of croup
long back slab sided
parrot mouth overshot jaw
too long or short neck ewe neck
mutton/high withers shortness of strideObserve a mount’s motion and identify front and hind leg
soundness and unsoundness.
Discuss the anatomy of the leg, including bones, joints, principal
tendons, and ligaments from the shoulder and hip down.
Choose the best mount of a selection of mounts for a specific
purpose.

Teaching Techniques
Know techniques included in USPC Manual of Horsemanship,
Vol. III and be able to demonstrate knowledge of those skills
as acquired through teaching experience.
Discuss ways to handle the following lesson situations:

mixed age or skill group disobedient mount
effective use of assistant fall of rider
interfering coach or parentarguing student
unsuitable mount uninterested student
runaway mount fearful student
Discuss techniques to discover if students have:
physical handicaps problems beyond teacher’s
visual handicaps ability or training to solve
learning disabilities hearing handicapsDiscuss skills that would be covered in teaching a C Pony Club
member to longe a mount safely and effectively.
Demonstrate knowledge of D, C, and B Standards requirements.
Discuss first aid equipment and emergency preparedness suitable
for a teaching situation.

Teaching a Class
Prepare a lesson plan for assigned lesson. Topics will be
assigned by examiners.
Demonstrate teaching a safe, informative 15-to-20-minute lesson
to a group of 3 to 5 riders (D-1 to B or adult volunteers)
on the flat and/or over fences.
Evaluate the lesson plan used. Was teaching objective achieved?
How could the lesson be improved?
Discuss a student’s riding position and suggest three exercises to
help solve any problem, including exercises on the longe.
Discuss safety considerations when setting up a jumping lesson,
including use and spacing of cavaletti/trotting poles.

Training/Longeing
Discuss and demonstrate proper fit and use of equipment,
including side reins.
Discuss and demonstrate safe, confident, effective longeing
techniques.
Demonstrate techniques for longeing appropriate to the mount’s
level for exercise, training, and/or warm-up to include free
forward movement and to establish regular rhythm
Discuss additional safety precautions to be considered when
longeing with a rider.
Evaluate performance and level of mount before, during, and
after longeing session.

SEPowell

Aug. 17, 2008, 10:25 PM

Thanks pwynnorman, that was an exhaustive answer!

I met an HA pony clubber a few weeks ago and he mentioned many of these things as he explained to me what he needed to know to be an HA.

For those young riders who can find their ways into steeplechase barns and work for a summer or better, a few years, there are many opportunities to learn excellent horsemanship as well as develop balance on many types of tbs. If they're lucky enough to work for someone who trains on a farm they'll do most of their galloping across country and have to figure out how to balance and rate a horse over all types of terrain. I wonder why something like this isn't promoted in the eventing community? It's an excellent way to learn how to handle speed and also stay focused on the horse's wellbeing (eg, way of going, condition of legs, etc).

Whisper

Aug. 18, 2008, 02:23 AM

SEPowell, I only have competed at unrecognized BN, but my eventing instructors have taught me about pace and balance on different kinds of terrain. :D We don't have steeplechasing in my area, but I'd love to be able to hunt with our local pack, if I can arrange it. My eventing instructors have been better than in almost all other disciplines I've tried at teaching horsemanship (things like bandaging, poulticing, recognizing illness/unsoundness, etc.). I've also sought out opportunities to learn how to give shots, take temperature, etc. My vaulting instructors also teach a lot about horse care/horsemanship, most notably at this past Regional Championships. They had a competition for the teams based on who made sure their horses were cared for throughout the day (stalls clean, water full, etc.), attending classes on topics such as farrier tools, leg conformation and how it relates to soundness and farriery, poisonous plants, etc., and being safe around the horses (leading correctly, wearing appropriate shoes, etc.). I was surprised at how difficult it was to get some instructors to work with me on this stuff, even if it was raining so we would otherwise have to cancel lessons (and I was willing to pay the full amount for a lesson in it). Several of them said I don't need to know that stuff until I get my own horse.

bornfreenowexpensive

Aug. 18, 2008, 09:12 AM

For those young riders who can find their ways into steeplechase barns and work for a summer or better, a few years, there are many opportunities to learn excellent horsemanship as well as develop balance on many types of tbs. If they're lucky enough to work for someone who trains on a farm they'll do most of their galloping across country and have to figure out how to balance and rate a horse over all types of terrain. I wonder why something like this isn't promoted in the eventing community? It's an excellent way to learn how to handle speed and also stay focused on the horse's wellbeing (eg, way of going, condition of legs, etc).

It is promoted. Every trainer that I have ever ridden with has told their riders and working students to go work galloping race horses if they plan to ride at the upper levels...and preferable those that train off the farm. I can easily think of 10 young UL riders who gallop in the mornings before their other jobs. There is a reason why so many eventers trying to make it at the highest levels come to Unionville, PA and Middleburg, VA areas....there are tons of opportunties to ride hunt horses, race horses as well as train with some of the best eventers around.

Ajierene

Aug. 18, 2008, 09:31 AM

It is promoted. Every trainer that I have ever ridden with has told their riders and working students to go work galloping race horses if they plan to ride at the upper levels...and preferable those that train off the farm. I can easily think of 10 young UL riders who gallop in the mornings before their other jobs. There is a reason why so many eventers trying to make it at the highest levels come to Unionville, PA and Middleburg, VA areas....there are tons of opportunties to ride hunt horses, race horses as well as train with some of the best eventers around.

So what do you do if you live in California? Move east and hope there is a job for you? What about Indiana or Texas? And where do you get the money to move? Personally, I would never move all the way across the country on a dream - but that's just me, I'm to practical or something.

I do think it is a great idea, but I also think discussing alternatives is prudent. Currently Eventing is very East Coast oriented and we could very well be missing great riders elsewhere because people are harking back to previous means of conditioning and teaching rider instead of coming up with alternate methods to get someone the experience where these other means are absent.

You can probably find a horse race stable within a reasonable distance of wherever you live, so that is a place to get experience. Any kind of facility where you can get work can show you either what to do or what not to do as far as horsecare goes. Vaulting seems more popular outwest and learning how to gallop around and stand on a horses back would be great for balance - along with all the tumbling, hanging on to the side, dismounts, etc.

So, do alternatives for people that cannot get horse jobs need to be discussed also?

bornfreenowexpensive

Aug. 18, 2008, 09:39 AM

So what do you do if you live in California? Move east and hope there is a job for you? What about Indiana or Texas? And where do you get the money to move? Personally, I would never move all the way across the country on a dream - but that's just me, I'm to practical or something.

I don't know what you do if you stay out in an area that is not a horse mecca....but I do know that quite a few riders DO move accross the country to train. Especially if you want to get to the top. I know that I did. And I wasn't bank rolled by my parents.....that is what working multiple jobs and Ramen noodles are for. And finding a horse job isn't that hard even when you are accross the country. I moved accross the country twice....and never had any trouble finding multiple jobs and often housing was included.....and once working, was usually offered other jobs or given other opportunities (riding other horses etc....). You do have to be willing to work hard....that is what I see often missing. People think that they only want to ride....sorry, you often have to start out shovelling sh*t first....and not get paid to ride until you prove yourself.

By following that dream...I met great people. Did some pretty cool things. Ended up deciding to not do horses for a living but ended up fine (better than fine by many people's standards). Sometimes you have to move out of your comfort zone and take risks in life to really experience life.

pwynnnorman

Aug. 18, 2008, 10:06 AM

flyingchange

Aug. 18, 2008, 10:14 AM

sounds like Morven Park ... wasn't usea supposed to move in there a couple of years ago? It's such a waste to me that that place just sits there idle most of the time. all the stabling/ multiple rings with good footing, indoor, race course, apartments, turnout, xc .... I never hear about xc clinics being held there ... would be such a good venue for them with the stabling, the hotels nearby, etc.

Ajierene

Aug. 18, 2008, 10:18 AM

That's a great idea, Pwynnorman. Kentucky is still a trek from the other coast, but knowing you have set employment for a specific time may help with willingness to travel.

I spent my share of time eating Ramen, going to college and trying to start a horse business - but when you are training people decide they are done suddenly and you are out that money, summer jobs only last the summer, galloping race horses can be steady work, if you can find it. Working at a barn means you are subject to the whims of the owners.

After I broke my ankle and lost all employment. I am thankful I was near home because I ended up back at my parent's house - unable to afford rent and barely able to afford board for my horses. I decided having a steady job for a while is a better bet - marry rich, then quit my day job....

The idea of a type of school is great, of course putting the idea into action is the difficult part! I can see it working if it is for people 18 and over - where they do not have to worry about parents driving them there (I explained in another thread the problem of a central training location in the US and getting young kids to the location or trainers out to do clinics).

bornfreenowexpensive

Aug. 18, 2008, 10:33 AM

After I broke my ankle and lost all employment. I am thankful I was near home because I ended up back at my parent's house - unable to afford rent and barely able to afford board for my horses. I decided having a steady job for a while is a better bet - marry rich, then quit my day job....

And seeing that risk is why I decided not to do horses for a living......was ending up in the ER a few too many times when my living was based on my physical capabilities. The marry rich comes with too many strings as well....better to earn your own money!

Moven was a school many many years ago. Not sure why it closed it's doors....it is only open for xc schooling I believe twice a year. There was talk to using the facility for more things but I believe financing and politics have stopped that...there was talk of even losing the few events that are held there a few years ago.

The opportunities are out there if people want them....but you have to work for it. What I'm seeing is people wanting things spoon fed to them. The world doesn't work that way. Also, the problem with centralized training....is not all training methods work for all individuals. Part of becoming a great horsemen is riding with multiple of different trainers....in different disciplines.....learning a little from each and seeing what works best for a rider and a horse....and building your tool kit. That takes TIME.

I see the issue that people want it quick and condensed....get to the top fast and then hang out their shingle as a pro and making a living when they haven't spent enough time working for others to learn enough diverse methods to be a well rounded pro.

pwynnnorman

Aug. 18, 2008, 02:18 PM

The opportunities are out there if people want them....

My greatest fear for the sport is that that assumption is no longer valid. It sounds right, bornfree, but there's really very, very little modern-day evidence to support it, especially outside of horse meccas. Perhaps the most depressing example is how few working student positions there are these days that provide free room and board for the student and/or horse. These days, every single stall has to not only pay, but contribute directly to profit (not meaning that in a greedy way, but rather because profit margins can be so slim to begin with).

This is what needs to be addressed, IMO: the reality of it. Eventing was a sport based on an entirely different set of assumptions compared to what we have now.

Maybe "designated training facilities" scattered throughout the country would help--USEA- or sponsor-subsized private or public facilities that meet specific criteria to enable riders to access those now-increasingly-rare opportunities they need to advance safely (like galloping and steeplechase tracks). I wonder what kind of response would result from a call to action, soliciting facilities owner/manager reactions to that.

Indeed, I could almost imagine something coordinated with ICP to kill two birds with one stone (bad, bad analogy--sorry).

bornfreenowexpensive

Aug. 18, 2008, 02:40 PM

My greatest fear for the sport is that that assumption is no longer valid. It sounds right, bornfree, but there's really very, very little modern-day evidence to support it, especially outside of horse meccas.

I meant that you have to go to the horse meccas.....just as if you want to be to top in most jobs it might mean moving. I didn't grow up horse mecca....really really not one. But I learned the basics and when I decided to pursue the horses more....I moved to a horse mecca. Wasn't even exposed to eventing until college (but had been exposed to polo, dressage, western, hunters and jumpers). The working student gig isn't the only way to learn.....and in fact I don't recommend it. And paying to be a working student isn't new. I knew people that had to do that 25+ years ago. What is new is the attitude that people will only work if it lets them ride....they are not happy mucking out the barn and learning by watching...or riding for free whatever they can. They want things spoon fed to them, want to compete right away and want everything NOW. I know the opportunties are still out there since I have helped find them for some people (and been offered them myself). It may also mean NOT specializing in eventing.....that a rider gets their start in another discipline. The horror....there are good things to be learned from the hunter ring;)

LexInVA

Aug. 18, 2008, 03:11 PM

In the realm of dreaming, how about a training center somewhere in Kentucky or some other reasonably central location? One where week-long (or longer) clinics could be held to introduce riders to such hard-to-get experiences like galloping at racing speeds and doing steeplechase? Some place where it might be possible to earn a scholarship or act as working student so that you could spend a few months or more there between semesters? A place with bunkhouse-like lodging to cut down on living expenses? A central place for clinics from riding to ICP to stablemanagement, farriery (is that a word?), medicine and research?

Ok, Ok, so now who's ready to step up and donate this place to USEA? Come on now, don't hold back. Pony it up!

I don't know of anything pre-existing but I certainly have some ideas on where a training center could be located. TN has quite a few places that would be suitable given the agricultural industry support they would get and though you probably wouldn't associate TN with Eventing, Dressage, or H/J, there is a healthy amount of riders practicing all three of those disciplines, at least in the eastern part of the state.

Falko88

Aug. 18, 2008, 07:28 PM

Alright,I'm jumping into the Lion Den. Here it goes.

I find it interesting that most of you jump to the defensive side hearing that Cayla Kityama has money. I'm sorry, thats not Cayla's fault, so please give her a break. She is a 22 year old that graduated with honors in 3 1/2 years while competing at the 4star level, i'm sorry thats not too easy. Yes, she may be at Philips and having him train and ride Esker when she cant be there but believe me, when she was able to be there she was not sitting on her bum. She is an incredible rider and very dedicated to the eventing sport. May I point out that most professionals dont pay for their events or horses, they have sponsors. Lexie is Cayla's sponsor who just so happens to be her mom.

Also, while the article was lovely, it left out a bunch of information. Cayla may not had the roughest, most bumpy road to the top. But i'll let you all know it wasnt the yellow brick road. Cayla has had unfortunate flips and falls, consecutive times. Now dont get me wrong, she's not a dangerous rider, its just that sort of thing happens sometimes. The Article was beautiful written however vague it was. I do however believe that the Title to the article was poorly worded.

All i have to say is that Cayla Kityama is a beautiful rider, dedicated to her goals and dreams, always helpful and always has a smile on her face. I'm sorry for all of you that think that she has had it easy, because by no means has she.

deltawave

Aug. 18, 2008, 07:54 PM

I'm sorry, but a VERY SMALL minority of posts on this thread, if there even are any, are critical of CK because she has money.

Whisper

Aug. 18, 2008, 08:50 PM

So, do alternatives for people that cannot get horse jobs need to be discussed also?
I'd certainly like to hear some options! I'm very fortunate to be able to get experience with a wide range of disciplines, and ride for free (I do help out, but there's no set exchange rate). I'm currently negotiating a possible part-lease on a foxhunter, and plan to get out on the trails a lot, hopefully do a little bit of eventing and hunter paces, and hilltop (I'm *NOT* ready to jump even 2nd flight right now). One of the boarding barns in my area does have a part-time working student program, but they're primarily a western trail rental place, so I wouldn't be able to learn a lot that is applicable to eventing. I know some of the theraputic riding programs want horsey volunteers to help with care as well as sidewalking/etc., so that is a possibility. I already have a professional job, and I know I don't have the talent to go pro in horses, and I can't afford to take time off for a few months to do the working student gig full time. I *do* want to learn as much as I can, though!

LAZ

Aug. 18, 2008, 09:15 PM

I'm not in KY, but I am in central Indiana and I'd be glad to host such a thing. (not give it the the USEA, but provide the place, I've got the stabling for 70 guest horses, a galloping track, an all weather outdoor, an area that could easily house people, a shower, etc).

In the realm of dreaming, how about a training center somewhere in Kentucky or some other reasonably central location? One where week-long (or longer) clinics could be held to introduce riders to such hard-to-get experiences like galloping at racing speeds and doing steeplechase? Some place where it might be possible to earn a scholarship or act as working student so that you could spend a few months or more there between semesters? A place with bunkhouse-like lodging to cut down on living expenses? A central place for clinics from riding to ICP to stablemanagement, farriery (is that a word?), medicine and research?

Ok, Ok, so now who's ready to step up and donate this place to USEA? Come on now, don't hold back. Pony it up!

Whisper

Aug. 18, 2008, 09:38 PM

That's a very generous offer! I hope you can coordinate with the USEA folks to get the ball rolling.

lad11

Aug. 18, 2008, 11:10 PM

I came back from being out of town for the weekend to find this thread. I am saddened and disgusted by the nature of the comments and embarrassed that this is a group of people involved in the sport of eventing. Do you people have nothing better to do than to criticize an individual who most of you do not know and who has done NOTHING to incite comments of such a nasty nature? Shame on you all! Get a life.

I am dsiturbed by the negative nature of so many threads on this bulletin board.

LisaB

Aug. 19, 2008, 07:49 AM

Whatever :rolleyes:
Try searching for CMP and this is very tame. Or over in some other boards. There's just some downright nastiness.
I came back from being out of town for the weekend to find this thread. I am saddened and disgusted by the nature of the comments and embarrassed that this is a group of people involved in the sport of eventing. Do you people have nothing better to do than to criticize an individual who most of you do not know and who has done NOTHING to incite comments of such a nasty nature? Shame on you all! Get a life.

I am dsiturbed by the negative nature of so many threads on this bulletin board.

pwynnnorman

Aug. 19, 2008, 09:19 AM

I meant that you have to go to the horse meccas.....just as if you want to be to top in most jobs it might mean moving. I didn't grow up horse mecca....really really not one. But I learned the basics and when I decided to pursue the horses more....I moved to a horse mecca.

bornfreenowexpensive, but how did you do it? How did you afford to make that move? Moving to get a JOB is a no-brainer--you get paid for it! Moving to become a better rider? That's the question: how do you survive??? Heck, right here on this thread, aijierene mentioned what happened to her after breaking her ankle:

After I broke my ankle and lost all employment. I am thankful I was near home because I ended up back at my parent's house - unable to afford rent and barely able to afford board for my horses.

Life is complicated, now more than ever. You move to indulge in your horsey goals, you risk ruining your whole life (financially) due to one bad break. And guess what? The safety nets that used to be there also ain't there no more. That makes me think that even among the younger set, there are fewer and fewer riders without financial backing willing to take that risk--again, that is taking into account the often short-sighted (but admirable) enthusiasm of that younger set. Remember my point: sure, like any TOP athlete, you might have to move to be where the action is...but in THIS SPORT, it's NOT the "top" athelete who can move to where the action is: it's the wealthier one...or that's my fear at least. The way you imply one should "just" move is idealistic, not realistic--not anymore.

Alright,I'm jumping into the Lion Den. Here it goes...I find it interesting that most of you jump to the defensive side hearing that Cayla Kityama has money.

I think the OP should change the title of the thread now.

I'm not in KY, but I am in central Indiana and I'd be glad to host such a thing.
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TN has quite a few places that would be suitable given the agricultural industry support they would get and though you probably wouldn't associate TN with Eventing, Dressage, or H/J, there is a healthy amount of riders practicing all three of those disciplines, at least in the eastern part of the state.
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Moven was a school many many years ago. Not sure why it closed it's doors....it is only open for xc schooling I believe twice a year. There was talk to using the facility for more things but I believe financing and politics have stopped that
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From me: There is so much extra capacity here in Ocala during the off-season. I suspect there are also facilities to be had around here, too.

Y'see, this is what irks me about USEA--there is no potential to explore these kinds of ideas. Ages ago, I wanted to look into -- i.e. RESEARCH -- the whole "horse park" phenomena to see how the sport might capitalize on it. It's a big picture thing here.

The point being made more and more often now, whether we like it or not, is that advancing in the sport NOW is a matter of education, where once it was a matter of experience. So, how do you educate in sufficient numbers to make progress on the sport's negatives?

HOW HOW HOW HOW?

This sort of thing cannot be done piecemeal, but that is how it is being approached, IMO.

flyingchange

Aug. 19, 2008, 09:57 AM

I agree with you Bornfree about the current "ME, and RIGHT NOW!!" mindset of today's youth-soon-to-be-adults. From working with kids ranging from 18 to 22 over the past couple of years, I have definitely noticed this. My last stint working with this age group was at a racing farm where a couple of 20 year old girls were hired to be grooms and to gallop. Both of them claimed to have tons of galloping experience, but when they arrived and actually galloped, well ... it was apparent that they ... did not know what they were doing! So very frightening. BUT, they got downright beligerent when the head trainer tried to tell them that they were being taken off the race horses until they learned to ride. I mean, ATTITUDE like I have never seen! So they half-assed did their non-riding jobs - took 45 minutes to clean ONE stall, put away tack dirty that they were supposed to clean, didn't pick out feet on horses they were grooming. They felt like they were being treated unfairly because they were taken off the horses. Thing was, these girls couldn't even hold a 2 year old filly - they got run away with. Watching them gallop the 3 and 4 year olds left your stomach in your feet. One of them got run away with by a two year old filly and the filly ended up with splints after that unscheduled work.... Anyway, they both ended up leaving to go get riding jobs which ended up not working out for either one of them. The first one left her job within a month because it was too much work. Las I heard she was galloping for the bottom of the barrel of "trainers" at the training track, and getting run away with lots .... The other one got double-barreled by a 2 year old that she walked up behind in a shedrow and ended up in the hospital for 2 months with liver damage....

Neither of these girls had any business being "professional riders" or professional anything around horses. They didn't know what they were doing and they were dangerous. But the problem was you couldn't tell them that. And that is the biggest problem of all that I see with this younger set.

And before I get jumped on about all the great/humble/experienced kids out there that are opposite of these kids - let me just say that I know that they exist. I just haven't run into very many of them yet.

pwynnnorman

Aug. 19, 2008, 11:01 AM

They didn't know what they were doing and they were dangerous. But the problem was you couldn't tell them that. And that is the biggest problem of all that I see with this younger set.

That's just your average 20-something. I don't think that's anything new, do you? In bird terms, most chickies get their comeuppence not long after they leave the nest. The ones that survive are either the fittest or the luckiest. 'Tis the lucky I worry about, but I also wonder: Are the 30-somethings the lucky 20-somethings who merely survived...or the fittest 20-somethings who prospered? I believe because of this great equalizer of a sport we enjoy, it's the latter (unlike other horse sports where you can survive on luck forever).

Unfortunately, when the 20-somethings don't survive, the sport gets crucified. I don't mean to make light of fatal accidents--not by any means, but I am one of those who also resents how "the 20-something syndrome" (which, I'll admit, some never grow out of, no matter how old they get) can hurt the sport and its image.

RAyers

Aug. 19, 2008, 11:22 AM

And before I get jumped on about all the great/humble/experienced kids out there that are opposite of these kids - let me just say that I know that they exist. I just haven't run into very many of them yet.

Oh, I agree with you! While I gave a list of admirable students at the beginning of this thread, I have a list 10 times as long of students who whine, cry, and even fight with me over grades simply because they feel they deserve it. I had one student literally tell me, "I will stand here and argue until you change my grade." Of course I did. I dropped it from a B to a C.

Many of my colleagues in education see this attitude of "entitlement" becoming more and more prevalent. It is a sad commentary on American society.

pwynn, excellent observations! I really feel you nailed my opinions.

Reed

P.S. I think was a combination of survival and I was one of the "fittest" at the time.

deltawave

Aug. 19, 2008, 11:34 AM

I had one student literally tell me, "I will stand here and argue until you change my grade." Of course I did. I dropped it from a B to a C.

:D :D :D

bornfreenowexpensive

Aug. 19, 2008, 11:38 AM

bornfreenowexpensive, but how did you do it? How did you afford to make that move? Moving to get a JOB is a no-brainer--you get paid for it! Moving to become a better rider? That's the question: how do you survive??? Heck, right here on this thread, aijierene mentioned what happened to her after breaking her ankle:

Honestly...moving didn't cost much. I moved to get a job that would help make me a better rider/horseperson. I was a twenty something and everything I owned, including the dog, fit in my car. Both times I moved, I had a friend on the coast I was moving to. I lined up horse job interviews, drove all my stuff to my friend's, interviewed and had a job within a week....typically one that provided housing. Picked up a second job waiting tables.....and was good to go. I usually picked up other work riding other people's horses, clipping, braiding etc. I survived but didn't have much money. One horse job would lead to other opportunities. You may not be happy at the first job, but I learned that if you worked hard, were RELIABLE and were not bitchy.....a better opportunity usually came along. If you had an ounce of talent...the opportunities come even faster. Then you just need to be sure not to burn the bridges from the job that you were leaving. I sold the horse I had before moving and for a period of time...just rode other people's horses....but NEVER had any trouble finding multiple horses to ride and even compete. It is substantially more expensive if you try and bring a horse with you....and not always the most educational....one thing that makes you a better rider is riding A LOT of different horses. Once you get settled, it isn't hard to find a way to keep a horse....or even find a great prospect.

But the risks at making it in the horse world ARE great. It is a very hard way to make a living and I saw that if I got seriously hurt...I was SOL. I did decide it was too much of a risk and that is why I do not do horses for a living. Other friends of mine took that risk....and it worked out for some and not others. But I did base my non-horsey career to be very near a horse mecca so that even though I'm now an ammy....I can still ride with top trainers and be the best I can be given my work schedule. Making a decent living alows me to afford nice horses (not easy mind you...but nice)....and to be in much more control of what I want to do with my horses. It is all about choices....and not waiting for someone to hand things to you....but going out there and making it work.