60 Penalty Points for Becky - Calculated How?

[tlw]

I watched the live feed and also looked at the chart indicating where all the various cross country penalties occurred and I'm puzzled. Becky had a run out at 21 A. She re-presented and Comet jumped it fine, then Becky turned left and crossed her tracks (the ones where she approached 21 A) in approaching 21 B, which she jumped fine. To me, that should be 40 penalty points - one for the run out and one for crossing her tracks - not 60. Did she have a problem elsewhere ion the course? The official chart indicates an "R" at 21 A and 21 B but they jumped 21 B fine. Does anybody know how the penalty points were calculated? Did she cross her path twice - when re-presenting to 21 A and when approaching 21 B (thus 1 refusal and two crossing paths for 60 points)? I'm confused and thought I knew the rule but now I'm not too sure. Thanks.

[Janet]

I watched the live feed and also looked at the chart indicating where all the various cross country penalties occurred and I'm puzzled. Becky had a run out at 21 A. She re-presented and Comet jumped it fine, then Becky turned left and crossed her tracks (the ones where she approached 21 A) in approaching 21 B, which she jumped fine. To me, that should be 40 penalty points - one for the run out and one for crossing her tracks - not 60. Did she have a problem elsewhere ion the course? The official chart indicates an "R" at 21 A and 21 B but they jumped 21 B fine. Does anybody know how the penalty points were calculated? Did she cross her path twice - when re-presenting to 21 A and when approaching 21 B (thus 1 refusal and two crossing paths for 60 points)? I'm confused and thought I knew the rule but now I'm not too sure. Thanks.
21 A and 21 B are part of the same obstacle, 21. Thus she had two disobediances at 21. 20 for the first disobediance, 40 for the second one at the same obstacle.

[snoopy]

a combination is regarded as ONE fence so a run out and then crossing your tracks would make 2....20 for the run out and 40 for the technical.



janet beat me too it.

[subk]

First refusal is 20
Second refusal at the same fence is 40
40 + 20 = 60

Made that mistake myself before, too!

[Eventer-n-SC]

I was completely wrong. I thought she had 3 runouts.

[tlw]

Thanks. I just never focused on he second penalty at the same jump. Ya'll are quick, and good. :)

[TexasTB]

I'm confused though, she crossed the tracks that she made before jumping the first element, i.e. jumped A, turned left, crossed over the tracks she made on the approach to A, then jumped B.

I thought crossing tracks only counted if it was tracks you made in between jumping the 2 lettered obstacles?

[TexasTB]

wait, just kidding, i get it now! ;).
that post made me sound stupid.

[Tuckertoo]

I'm sorry, I'm kinda slow, but I still don't get it.

I get the 20 for the runout, but how else could she have jumped that whole combination without crossing those tracks? After a runout, are you not allowed to cross your tracks while representing? If not, how would she have represented?

I'm soooo confuzzled. Sorry.:confused:

[tlw]

No such thing as a stupid question. At least that's what I tell myself after I've asked one. :lol: Actually, the whole crossing the path thing is a bit confusing and I'm glad to have gotten it clarified at to Becky's ride. I'm just so sorry it happened to her. Oh well, tomorrow is another day!

[Janet]

I'm sorry, I'm kinda slow, but I still don't get it.

I get the 20 for the runout, but how else could she have jumped that whole combination without crossing those tracks? After a runout, are you not allowed to cross your tracks while representing? If not, how would she have represented?

I'm soooo confuzzled. Sorry.:confused:
Yes, if you have a stop at 21A, you are allowed to circle and cross your tracks before re-presenting at 21A. But once you clear 21A, you are not allowed to circle or cross your track beween 21A and 21B. (see the pictures in Appendix 7 of the USEF Eventing rules. The same diagrams apply to FEI. I didn't see it, but it sounds as if that is what she did.

[WldnHrseCrzy03]

For those of you who saw it, please help. After the refusal she was supposed to represent 21A and ride straight thru to 21B like it was originally supposed to be ridden? Instead of taking what she thought was the long route? I was confused on this too so I'm just trying to figure out what she should have done.

I'm so bummed for her. . . but I'm sure we will see them in lots of International competitions to come, for many more years! I'll always be rooting for them!! :D

[Janet]

For those of you who saw it, please help. After the refusal she was supposed to represent 21A and ride straight thru to 21B like it was originally supposed to be ridden? Yes. If there was a legitimatte "long route", she could take that too.