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vineyridge
Aug. 9, 2008, 05:43 PM
I'm not. XC or no XC. SJ or no SJ.

Can they drop score from each phase or only at the end?

RunForIt
Aug. 9, 2008, 06:18 PM
I'm not. XC or no XC. SJ or no SJ.

Can they drop score from each phase or only at the end?

Not me! I'm ALL over TEAM USA (Go Red White and Blue!!!!), (BUT) I love the Aussies!!!!!! Lucinda and her little mare are my favorites for the entire Olympics!

Eventer13
Aug. 9, 2008, 06:21 PM
I'd love to see Lucinda and her mare win the individual gold, but I wouldn't be too upset if another Aussie had a stop XC. I'm glad to hear the XC is a good, solid course this year. Hopefully it wont just be a dressage competition.

vineyridge
Aug. 9, 2008, 06:45 PM
The Germans still have their two most experienced riders to go on their young Butts horses. Lots of room for them to move up tonight (tomorrow?).

Headley Britannia and Ben Along Time are among the very best 3 phase horses in the world, so I really can't see much hope against the Aussies, barring some catastrophe. (Knock wood).

BAC
Aug. 10, 2008, 09:46 AM
I think it is way too early to be handing the gold medal to them. They have a great shot at it but there is still cross country and show jumping to come, a lot can happen, don't get ahead of yourself.

I would love to see Lucinda and Headley Britannia win individual gold though.

pwynnnorman
Aug. 10, 2008, 05:22 PM
I would love to see -- and I'd put good money on -- Brit and Lucinda EASILY taking the gold. This competition was MADE for them.

But I would NOT NOT NOT bet on the team at all. After taking a good look at the course, I think that the Aussie selectors erred in not putting Hoy and Ryan on instead of the three who qualified by staying down under. I do not think those three are ready to get around this particular type of course because I do not think they've had the experience and/or the access to the type of questions on this course.

How's THAT for a firm opinion, huh? :yes::eek:

belambi
Aug. 10, 2008, 05:34 PM
A very valid one!!

BAC
Aug. 10, 2008, 11:43 PM
I would love to see -- and I'd put good money on -- Brit and Lucinda EASILY taking the gold. This competition was MADE for them.

But I would NOT NOT NOT bet on the team at all. After taking a good look at the course, I think that the Aussie selectors erred in not putting Hoy and Ryan on instead of the three who qualified by staying down under. I do not think those three are ready to get around this particular type of course because I do not think they've had the experience and/or the access to the type of questions on this course.

How's THAT for a firm opinion, huh? :yes::eek:

I feel the same way, especially about Andrew. NONE of the other Aussies on the team have the competition results he has on his resume, including his current form, 8th at Badminton which IMO should have guaranteed him a spot on the team.

Don't count out Ingrid Klimke to challenge for an individual medal either, it would be nice to see a few ladies on the podium.

Shrapnel
Aug. 11, 2008, 12:51 AM
Germany, perhaps?

Kareen
Aug. 11, 2008, 10:30 AM
No way. I don't think our guys can make it. I would wish but I don't see it. My guess is AUSSIES take gold and the US takes 2nd. But it's nice to have at least a technical possibility for a 'photo-finish' :)

snoopy
Aug. 11, 2008, 10:33 AM
No way. I don't think our guys can make it. I would wish but I don't see it. My guess is AUSSIES take gold and the US takes 2nd. But it's nice to have at least a technical possibility for a 'photo-finish' :)



The US second? I think that is a looooooonnnnnng shot.

Jealoushe
Aug. 11, 2008, 10:40 AM
That's what I was thinking!

BAC
Aug. 11, 2008, 10:48 AM
No way. I don't think our guys can make it. I would wish but I don't see it. My guess is AUSSIES take gold and the US takes 2nd. But it's nice to have at least a technical possibility for a 'photo-finish' :)

Have you forgotten about the Germans?

Janie
Aug. 11, 2008, 08:18 PM
Well, for a team of Olymppic novices who people said hadn't seen these sorts of questions/fences and would struggle with them ...

they did pretty well, I think. All in the top 20, no other xc penalties but time (like everyone else) and the fastest time of the day (Shane Rose).

Pretty good for riders who aren't ready.

elly
Aug. 11, 2008, 09:13 PM
I would - after they lost their Gold medals in 2004, I think the Germans will do everything 'to get it back', so to speak.

Watching them last night XC was awesome, I just was blown away by Marius and his rider - talk about a partnership and then Ingrid with her 'little black pony' (as she calls him) - those guys are going to be hard to beat - just my 2 cents.

vineyridge
Aug. 11, 2008, 09:37 PM
Have you forgotten about the Germans?

Kareen is German. :lol:

BAC
Aug. 11, 2008, 09:42 PM
Kareen is German. :lol:

Oops, didn't even notice that. Well I think the German team has a good shot at it, I am hoping Ingrid gets an individual medal, and Mary King too. What happened to Lucinda? Am I reading the leaderboard correctly and she has all those time faults? I thought all the Aussies were bragging she had individual gold locked up but it looks as though she is several slots down the ladder now, or am I just not reading it correctly?

Janie
Aug. 11, 2008, 11:31 PM
What happened to Lucinda? Am I reading the leaderboard correctly and she has all those time faults? I thought all the Aussies were bragging she had individual gold locked up but it looks as though she is several slots down the ladder now, or am I just not reading it correctly?

No bragging here. There's still a lot of rails before medals are decided. She said the course didn't favour her mare and rode better for a bigger striding horse.

nero
Aug. 12, 2008, 12:25 AM
I thought all the Aussies were bragging she had individual gold locked up but it looks as though she is several slots down the ladder now, or am I just not reading it correctly?
Ah no.....Aussies don't tend to be braggers, but even if we were, we know too much about the tenuous nature of eventing to start bragging just after the dressage, there was/is a looong way to go. We know that as well as anyone. Who are these Aussies to whom you refer anyway. No one IN Australia was bragging I can assure you.

PS I reckon the Germans will win fairly easily. Race for silver between Aussies and British and the individual predicting germans one and two with maybe Donckers or an Aussie third.

belambi
Aug. 12, 2008, 01:00 AM
Australian lucinda is to be seriously congratulated for realising that the team was where her duty lies. She sacrificed her first place at the cost of getting around safely, and went two..if not three of the long routes. Kudos to her.

Kareen
Aug. 12, 2008, 03:29 AM
OMG I would have never believed our team would do this well. I'd love to see Ingrid Klimke on those stairs :) :)

ozjb
Aug. 12, 2008, 07:59 AM
As an American living in Australia, I am SO proud of the Aussie riders who stayed here to qualify. It has been a VERY hard year with EI putting a hold on all equestrian activities for 9 months. These riders had no competitions and most saw their income levels drop as they couldn't teach, couldn't take in horses for training, couldn't sell anything. Our qualifiers were cancelled and then rescheduled. It was a mess, but it got done!

So, I think just getting to Hong Kong is a win for these riders. Were they ready? I don't know, but they are certainly holding their own against some very good teams.

The same goes for our dressage riders. Some were already in Europe, and some stayed. Now, dressage isn't exactly a strong discipline here, but the riders work awfully hard. I don't follow show jumping as closely, but I think the team is pretty much based in Europe, so they were not directly effected by EI as the dressage and event riders were.

I am a huge fan of the Australian riders, no matter how the end up in the placings.

It's good to be able to whole heartedly cheer for two teams!

Janie
Aug. 12, 2008, 08:14 AM
It has been a VERY hard year with EI putting a hold on all equestrian activities for 9 months. These riders had no competitions and most saw their income levels drop as they couldn't teach, couldn't take in horses for training, couldn't sell anything. Our qualifiers were cancelled and then rescheduled. It was a mess, but it got done!

I don't follow show jumping as closely, but I think the team is pretty much based in Europe, so they were not directly effected by EI as the dressage and event riders were.


It was a huge mess over here. You are quite right. And kudos to the ones who managed to qualify from Australia in spite of the many months of lock down.

Showjumping is somewhat similar, in that we have two team members based in Europe: Edwina Alexander who is Jan Tops' partner and has had some great results incl 4th at the WEG and Matty Williams who has been based in Europe for some time and has likewise been getting some runs on the board.

The other members are based here in Australia but have been in Europe for a few months: Laurie Lever on Ashleigh Drossel Dan and Peter McMahon on the wild child KS Genoa. It's been a hard road for them.

EI really put a crimp in everyone's plans.

Secretariat2
Aug. 12, 2008, 11:31 AM
I am Aussie born but now a U.S. citizen so I love it when EITHER country does well. So GO USA and GO Australia!

Janie
Aug. 12, 2008, 11:59 AM
Germany deserved their gold medals. Great going in the team event. The Australians rode really well and deserved their silver. I have to admit I didn't follow the GB team closely, as I was more concerned with the tussle for 1st and 2nd

krobert
Aug. 12, 2008, 11:13 PM
I would love to see -- and I'd put good money on -- Brit and Lucinda EASILY taking the gold. This competition was MADE for them.

But I would NOT NOT NOT bet on the team at all. After taking a good look at the course, I think that the Aussie selectors erred in not putting Hoy and Ryan on instead of the three who qualified by staying down under. I do not think those three are ready to get around this particular type of course because I do not think they've had the experience and/or the access to the type of questions on this course.

How's THAT for a firm opinion, huh? :yes::eek:

Ohh I hope you have eaten your words :D
We have some serious depth in our squad and there is nothing wrong with staying home. For a start those 3 have all won at ****star level so how could they not be ready for this type of competition. I applaud those who have made the choice to stay in Australia. Its not easy. Please don't add fuel to Matt Ryans opinions on selection of Aussie based riders (his sour grapes!). Megan, Sonja and Shane have done Aussie based riders proud.

BAC
Aug. 12, 2008, 11:19 PM
Ohh I hope you have eaten your words :D
We have some serious depth in our squad and there is nothing wrong with staying home. For a start those 3 have all won at ****star level so how could they not be ready for this type of competition. I applaud those who have made the choice to stay in Australia. Its not easy. Please don't add fuel to Matt Ryans opinions on selection of Aussie based riders (his sour grapes!). Megan, Sonja and Shane have done Aussie based riders proud.

I think the Australian team can be very proud of what they accomplished but which 3 riders are you saying have won **** events? I know Lucinda won Badminton & Burghley and Clayton won Rolex KY but I know very little about the other three.

Still, Matt Ryan and Andrew Hoy brought home 3 Olympic team gold medals (at least Andrew did, not sure if Matt was on all 3 teams) and both are still competitive, I think they could have been just as valuable to the team. Australia is lucky to have such depth.

vineyridge
Aug. 12, 2008, 11:28 PM
They DO have a 4* in Australia, you know. :lol: And it's probably won by an Aussie or a Kiwi. Just saying...

BAC
Aug. 12, 2008, 11:30 PM
They DO have a 4* in Australia, you know. :lol: And it's probably won by an Aussie or a Kiwi. Just saying...

They used to, I thought it was replaced by Luhmulen (sp?) and Pau though.

krobert
Aug. 12, 2008, 11:35 PM
I think the Australian team can be very proud of what they accomplished but which 3 riders are you saying have won **** events? I know Lucinda won Badminton & Burghley and Clayton won Rolex KY but I know very little about the other three.

Still, Matt Ryan and Andrew Hoy brought home 3 Olympic team gold medals (at least Andrew did, not sure if Matt was on all 3 teams) and both are still competitive, I think they could have been just as valuable to the team. Australia is lucky to have such depth.

Megan, Sonja and Shane have all won Adelaide ****star. And all had very solid performances/wins at ***star events this year (Despite EI interuptions)

Megan and Sonja both won team bronze at WEG and Shane 3rd at Burghley

Would not dispute Andrew was unlucky not to be chosen but Matt didn't have the horse this year (a 7th at Badminton and a win in a Polish ***star!). Matt has 2 team medals and an individual medal. Matt had a serious winge on his website that was just plain sour grapes and pretty much wished the team would crash and burn.....very un-Australian. Andrew would never behave this way and his failing to make the team this year may not have been based on performance but possibly horse soundness. He will be on a team again, but Matt....well he wants to change nationalities and become a Brit! Good luck! Now that will be another team tough to get on with just as much depth.

As a kid I was a Huge Matt fan but his behaviour lately has not done him any favours.

krobert
Aug. 12, 2008, 11:41 PM
They used to, I thought it was replaced by Luhmulen (sp?) and Pau though.

Hell yeah we have a ****star....and still have a ****star.
Name change this year from Adelaide ****star to Austaralian International ****star.
http://www.australian3de.com.au/
Unfortunately we do not have a big sponsor (e.g. Rolex, Mitsubishi, Land Rover) so prize money is not enough to attract northern hemisphere horses (we have had riders come on borrowed horses though). So sure it will usually be an Aussie or Kiwi that wins but it is syill a true ****star track!

BAC
Aug. 12, 2008, 11:41 PM
Thanks krobert, that is sad to hear about Matt. I did read where he blamed politics and wanted to ride for the UK but the Brits have even more depth than the Aussies, good luck trying to make that team.

Andrew is a class act as well as a wonderful rider, I was sorry he didn't make the team.

BAC
Aug. 12, 2008, 11:56 PM
Hell yeah we have a ****star....and still have a ****star.
Name change this year from Adelaide ****star to Austaralian International ****star.


Wasn't the first Australian **** called Puihini or something like that? Sorry but I know I did not spell that correctly. I thought they had stopped running it at one point and Australia was without a **** or did it come back as Adelaide or is that a different event? Or was Puihini a NZ event?

krobert
Aug. 13, 2008, 12:07 AM
Wasn't the first Australian **** called Puihini or something like that? Sorry but I know I did not spell that correctly. I thought they had stopped running it at one point and Australia was without a **** or did it come back as Adelaide or is that a different event? Or was Puihini a NZ event?

Yes Puihini (sp) is a NZ ***star. The only ****star in southern hemisphere is Adelaide (now Australian). It was going to be axed a few years back when the local council in Adelaide did not want to support it but the eventing community made alot of noise and it remained a fixture (they have cut the ***star class and now only have a *star and ****star run).

Adelaide was originally ran at Gawler (that hosted a previous world championship) but now runs right in the city centre (through the city park where it is free for all to spectate).

Come on DownUnder for a holiday and catch the only southern hemisphere ****star :D

ozjb
Aug. 13, 2008, 12:09 AM
I think the Australians do an amazing job on the world stage. The riders who stay in Australia are somewhat disadvataged because we don't have the level of sponsorship as in the US, we don't have the tradition of wealthy owners. A lot (most?)of our riders own their horses.

We don't have the amount of competitions in which to hone the skills of both horse and rider as in some other countries. Our events are far and few between. And then there is the distance to travel between the big events.

And we are far, far away from the rest of the world!

I am really impressed with the committment of the eventing community here. Either they stay and work within the system or they leave behind family, friends and country to try their luck elsewhere. I can understand why our riders go overseas, but I am so encouraged by those who stay.

I am a mom of kids who compete. There is a real sense of community within the event riders and those who are coming along. We are blessed to have these riders out there conducting schools and clinics with leadership that is convinced that educating young riders is the way of the future. And it doesn't matter if you are a so-so rider on an ordinary off the track Thoroughbred . . . you get the same instruction as the up and coming kid on the flashy, purpose-bred eventer. And the top riders are accessible to the kids out competing. We are no-bodies . . . kids compete at Newcomers and Intro level, but it's not uncommon to be at the same event as one of the Olympic riders. Very exciting!!

I am sure that other countries are doing the same thing, but since I don't live there, I can't speak for those programs.

I am just really happy with the way the eventing ended up. Loved the German rider who won both Golds, happy that Gina got the Silver and over the moon that Australia got the Team Silver!!!

vineyridge
Aug. 13, 2008, 12:16 AM
Come on DownUnder for a holiday and catch the only southern hemisphere ****star :D

Is that an open invitation to all of us? Because it's not only the only 4* in the Southern Hemisphere, it's the only one in the Eastern Hemisphere as well.

You know how there are these life lists of things that one dreams of doing before one shuffles off the mortal coil? Going to Australia and New Zealand is definitely on mine. Might have to do it in one trip, but it's a life long dream.

vineyridge
Aug. 13, 2008, 12:18 AM
The Aussies also have one of the most safety minded federations in the world. Very impressive.:yes:

BAC
Aug. 13, 2008, 12:19 AM
Come on DownUnder for a holiday and catch the only southern hemisphere ****star :D

Can you arrange an introduction to Patrick Rafter while I'm there? ;) I remember reading that they were going to do away with Adelaide, I didn't realize that it survived.

Thanks again for all the history, I must go back to watching the Olympic swimming.