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Pictob
Aug. 9, 2008, 03:04 PM
The bf said he heard something on the news about a Canadian fan that had to be forcefully removed from the equestrian venue. They didn't say anything about why though?? Anyone heard about this?

Pictob
Aug. 9, 2008, 04:21 PM
Oh found it.. for anyone interested :)

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/beijing_olympics/story/0,27313,24152278-5016818,00.html

snoopy
Aug. 9, 2008, 04:36 PM
Those crazy canadians!!!:lol:

ridgeback
Aug. 9, 2008, 07:23 PM
Those crazy canadians!!!:lol:

Wow Snoopy in another thread you sure had strong opinions of American's doing this but hey when it's the Canadians your tone really changes.. Maybe you should switch out that dual citizenship to England and Canada!!!:lol::lol:

snoopy writes-That is all well and good in the USA. Athletes are GUESTs in China and should behave as such.
I am always amazed when americans feel that their amendment rights extend beyond their borders.

Ajierene
Aug. 9, 2008, 07:37 PM
Where does this make sense?

First she says:

"I was only holding a Canadian flag," Chan said after the incident.

Then she says:

"I planned to use that as a decoy, but they said I'd broken the rules and would have to leave. The whole thing was pretty ridiculous."

Well...apparently....ridiculous...of course - no flags of countries outside of the ones competing in the Olympics - that was just an optional rule....

snoopy
Aug. 9, 2008, 07:45 PM
Wow Snoopy in another thread you sure had strong opinions of American's doing this but hey when it's the Canadians your tone really changes.. Maybe you should switch out that dual citizenship to England and Canada!!!:lol::lol:

snoopy writes-That is all well and good in the USA. Athletes are GUESTs in China and should behave as such.
I am always amazed when americans feel that their amendment rights extend beyond their borders.


Ridgeback, whilst I appreciate your interest in me, I think you have yet gone looking for another argument with me...if that is the case:
I have news, you're gonna lose!!!

My crazy canadian comment was a joke directed to our nothern neighbours...and had nothing to do with the politics of the situation. Do I think she should have done what she did...NO.

Honestly sweety I have enough stalkers I really do not need another...

ridgeback
Aug. 9, 2008, 08:09 PM
Ridgeback, whilst I appreciate your interest in me, I think you have yet gone looking for another argument with me...if that is the case:
I have news, you're gonna lose!!!

My crazy canadian comment was a joke directed to our nothern neighbours...and had nothing to do with the politics of the situation. Do I think she should have done what she did...NO.

Honestly sweety I have enough stalkers I really do not need another...

LOL not stalking and not trying to argue just pointing out your hypocrisy. If this was a U.S. citizen you would've pointed out the arrogance of America...By the way don't flatter yourself, remember you are the one that posted on my thread I started not the other way around...Honestly I couldn't believe my eyes when I read what you wrote after your opinions on my thread, Somtimes I can be so proud of the U.S. Peace!!!

mcm7780
Aug. 9, 2008, 08:11 PM
*was going to stalk snoopy but won't now since he has enough* So sad...:(

ridgeback
Aug. 9, 2008, 08:18 PM
Hypocrisy...well you would see it that way because you did not get the direction of my post...that's okay..not smart I understand.

If I do not flatter myself, who will?

Feel free to add these faults to the ever growing list you are keeping.

:sleepy:

As I said I appreciate the attention, honestly, I realy realy do....but doesn't the world need saving?!

It sure does you want to help me:winkgrin: if you say I misunderstood your posts on the other thread then I'm sorry I guess only you know the truth..:cool:

snoopy
Aug. 9, 2008, 08:19 PM
By the way don't flatter yourself...


No darling I leave that to you....

snoopy
Aug. 9, 2008, 08:22 PM
It sure does you want to help me:winkgrin: if you say I misunderstood your posts on the other thread then I'm sorry I guess only you know the truth..:cool:



You misunderstood my post on THIS thread...it was dircted to the OP who is canadian.

ridgeback
Aug. 9, 2008, 08:22 PM
No darling I leave that to you....

Don't call me darling I might think your flirting:lol:;) Sorry I'm passionate..someone refered to you as being male just to be clear;)

ridgeback
Aug. 9, 2008, 08:23 PM
You misunderstood my post on THIS thread...it was dircted to the OP who is canadian.

K....sorry:(:o

talloaks
Aug. 10, 2008, 08:17 AM
Is Christina Chan a Canadian or was she just using the Canadian flag as a decoy?? The article says she is a student so is she a student in China?? Names sure sounds Chinese to me although I know there are a lot of Chinese in Canada. Weird!:eek:

JSwan
Aug. 10, 2008, 08:44 AM
Y'all don't seem to know this little fact about flags.

Spectators aren't supposed to bring them in. In China or any other host nation.

Yes, I know they do. Yes, I saw people running around with body paint and a flag at the Atlanta games. Yes, I saw the Japanese doing the same thing - but discretely and they were little teeny flags.

And then they'd hide them before they could be escorted out.

Nice that y'all want to blame China for oppressing the poor spectators... but if this was the US the spectator, if caught, would have been escorted out as well.

Sorry to rain on the "Crucify China" parade.

Ajierene
Aug. 10, 2008, 08:55 AM
Y'all don't seem to know this little fact about flags.

Spectators aren't supposed to bring them in. In China or any other host nation.

Yes, I know they do. Yes, I saw people running around with body paint and a flag at the Atlanta games. Yes, I saw the Japanese doing the same thing - but discretely and they were little teeny flags.

And then they'd hide them before they could be escorted out.

Nice that y'all want to blame China for oppressing the poor spectators... but if this was the US the spectator, if caught, would have been escorted out as well.

Sorry to rain on the "Crucify China" parade.

As stated in the article - no Flags from countries that are not participating in the Olympics. So the Canadian flag is alright, but due to Olympic rules (not any Chinese rules) the Tibetan flag is not allowed.

JSwan
Aug. 10, 2008, 08:58 AM
Then it seems that the US is less hospitable than China - as according to the "rules" for the 96 games - no flags inside the venue and spectators would be escorted out. Which I wish then would have done for the Aussies - the body paint did not disguise the buddha bellies. :lol:

ridgeback
Aug. 10, 2008, 09:07 AM
Then it seems that the US is less hospitable than China - as according to the "rules" for the 96 games - no flags inside the venue and spectators would be escorted out. Which I wish then would have done for the Aussies - the body paint did not disguise the buddha bellies. :lol:

Keep telling yourself that:lol::lol::lol::yes::yes

Equibrit
Aug. 10, 2008, 09:21 AM
The 2008 Olympic spectator guide; http://en.beijing2008.cn/spectators/n214448043.shtml


Ridgeback - be graceful! JSwan is informing you, as you are quite clearly ignorant of the facts. She is not.

Ajierene
Aug. 10, 2008, 09:43 AM
I tried to find something to clarify and just about every piece I could find on the internet states that it is an IOC rule that no flags other than the countries participating are allowed. It seems Scotland had a similar problem. The answer in the article is given by the president of the IOC and does not state that it is specific to the Beijing Olympics.

J Swan - do you know where I can find information on the general rules or the specific rules for the 96 games?

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Maxwell-complains-to-Olympic-chiefs.4375492.jp

msrobin
Aug. 10, 2008, 10:48 AM
Man that whole country is stupid. They are so backwards animal haters and people abusers.

JSwan
Aug. 10, 2008, 10:51 AM
That may be the most pathetic thing I've ever read on this forum.


Man that whole country is stupid. They are so backwards animal haters and people abusers.

snoopy
Aug. 10, 2008, 10:54 AM
Man that whole country is stupid. They are so backwards animal haters and people abusers.


You need to look into government roles and differences in animal cultures before making such statements. Most chinese PEOPLE are actually very nice.
Not all americans are fat, not all british have bad teeth, not all scandinvians are blonde. It easy to base an opinion on small factors.

ridgeback
Aug. 10, 2008, 10:55 AM
That may be the most pathetic thing I've ever read on this forum.

I'm guessing that was a joke..tongue in cheek?

bambam
Aug. 10, 2008, 10:58 AM
If the rule is that no flags are allowed at all, then they must be enforcing that rule very inconsistently or selectively. I saw lots of flags being waved during the dressage coverage and none of the flag wavers appeared to be getting escorted out.

ridgeback
Aug. 10, 2008, 11:05 AM
If that country is participating in the olympics they are allowed..Tibet is part of China so not sure why that flag isn't allowed:lol: ok I'm being a smart ass:)

snoopy
Aug. 10, 2008, 11:07 AM
If that country is participating in the olympics they are allowed..Tibet is part of China so not sure why that flag isn't allowed:lol: ok I'm being a smart ass:)


The same as that the scots, the welsh and the english are not allowed to wave their flags. I too was under the impression that only flags of competing nations were allowed. E.G. the British Flag instead of individual counties that make up Great Britian.

JSwan
Aug. 10, 2008, 11:08 AM
I'm guessing that was a joke..tongue in cheek?

No. It's this small minded narrow view of other cultures that cause the division, suspicion and hatred among the peoples of this world.

Every nation has its strengths and weaknesses. It's good and bad points. But China is more than a government. It's a collection of different peoples, cultures, languages and history. It's rich in diversity.

We're all more than the sum of our parts, and that is also true of nations.

No good is done when we diminish, ridicule or denigrate other countries. That nation is full of people who bleed the same blood as we, they have hopes, challenges, and disappointments. They love their children just like we do ours.

ridgeback
Aug. 10, 2008, 11:09 AM
The same as that the scots, the welsh and the english are not allowed to wave their flags.

Well that is just silly..

ridgeback
Aug. 10, 2008, 11:12 AM
No. It's this small minded narrow view of other cultures that cause the division, suspicion and hatred among the peoples of this world.

Every nation has its strengths and weaknesses. It's good and bad points. But China is more than a government. It's a collection of different peoples, cultures, languages and history. It's rich in diversity.

We're all more than the sum of our parts, and that is also true of nations.

No good is done when we diminish, ridicule or denigrate other countries. That nation is full of people who bleed the same blood as we, they have hopes, challenges, and disappointments. They love their children just like we do ours.

I agree but I took it or hoping at least that was a joke.. I do have an issue with the human rights/animals/environmental record etc with China but as far as the people and much of the culture I love.. I'm all over a more holistic view of healing..thank you China and of course the Tao.

snoopy
Aug. 10, 2008, 11:12 AM
Well that is just silly..



I think many would agree with you.

JSwan
Aug. 10, 2008, 11:13 AM
If the rule is that no flags are allowed at all, then they must be enforcing that rule very inconsistently or selectively. I saw lots of flags being waved during the dressage coverage and none of the flag wavers appeared to be getting escorted out.

I saw the Australians being chased around at Atlanta but the volunteers couldn't catch them. But only the body paint guys. The big groups of people like the Japanese they left alone. We were told at various checkpoints that we could not bring flags in - but obviously a lot of folks weren't caught.

Guess it's easier to deal with one or two spectators rather than try to escort 50 people out.

ridgeback
Aug. 10, 2008, 11:16 AM
I saw the Australians being chased around at Atlanta but the volunteers couldn't catch them. But only the body paint guys. The big groups of people like the Japanese they left alone. We were told at various checkpoints that we could not bring flags in - but obviously a lot of folks weren't caught.

Guess it's easier to deal with one or two spectators rather than try to escort 50 people out.

Bet you the volunteers thought it was stupid to ban flags so they weren't going to kill themselves trying to track all you rebels down:lol:

JSwan
Aug. 10, 2008, 11:23 AM
Heck - I just wanted to hang out with the Aussies and New Zealanders because they obviously had a stash of beer along with their flags! And the blue paint - how'd they get that through?

They sure had a lot of fun - it made dressage day quite colorful.

Actually - the whole Olympic experience was quite memorable. It included greasy chainmail, me sitting in a closet with a hatchet trying to scare away some animal trying to get into the cabin, a friends rather unfortunate encounter with unripe peaches, a crazy woman throwing rolls of toilet paper, and horses horses horses.

Flags just added to the whole experience... but they really weren't supposed to be there. I'm saving the details of the chainmail/peaches/toiletpaper stories for my memoires. :cool:

ridgeback
Aug. 10, 2008, 11:49 AM
Heck - I just wanted to hang out with the Aussies and New Zealanders because they obviously had a stash of beer along with their flags! And the blue paint - how'd they get that through?

They sure had a lot of fun - it made dressage day quite colorful.

Actually - the whole Olympic experience was quite memorable. It included greasy chainmail, me sitting in a closet with a hatchet trying to scare away some animal trying to get into the cabin, a friends rather unfortunate encounter with unripe peaches, a crazy woman throwing rolls of toilet paper, and horses horses horses.

Flags just added to the whole experience... but they really weren't supposed to be there. I'm saving the details of the chainmail/peaches/toiletpaper stories for my memoires. :cool:

What a shame about the peaches there is nothing better then Georgia Peaches...YUM...sitting in the closet with a hatchet and a scary animal...was snoopy there?? hee hee just kididng;)

snoopy
Aug. 10, 2008, 12:01 PM
...sitting in the closet...was snoopy there?? hee hee just kididng;)



Ha! I have not been in the closet for MANY years!!!

Equibrit
Aug. 10, 2008, 12:14 PM
I had the dubious pleasure in 1996 of escorting Andrew Nicholson (plus several others) off the XC course.

Fred
Aug. 10, 2008, 12:26 PM
The same as that the scots, the welsh and the english are not allowed to wave their flags. I too was under the impression that only flags of competing nations were allowed. E.G. the British Flag instead of individual counties that make up Great Britian.

For sure yesterday during the dressage I saw a flag of St George (at least one) being displayed. (the flag of England which makes up part of the Union Jack).


Those crazy Canucks!

Equibrit
Aug. 10, 2008, 12:38 PM
Are you sure that wasn't the flag of Georgia?

Fred
Aug. 10, 2008, 01:57 PM
Are you sure that wasn't the flag of Georgia?

:) it was being held up when the one of the UK riders was in the ring.

JerseyGirlEQ
Aug. 10, 2008, 02:22 PM
To me the saddest part of this whole situation is that the Olympic games are being held in such an intolerant country...freedom of speech, freedom of expression, anything that isn't structured by its government is being shut down. The games are supposed to bring the world together but this is the first time I remember the games bring about such tension. There has been controversy since China was selected to host. The protests in Paris and other cities along the torch trail should have been a warning that these games would be different. :no:

snoopy
Aug. 10, 2008, 02:44 PM
For sure yesterday during the dressage I saw a flag of St George (at least one) being displayed. (the flag of England which makes up part of the Union Jack).


Those crazy Canucks!


WOW...I surely missed that!! But see here is the thing...all of our eventers are "english" so I can get the flag but as they represent Team GB it is bit...well...
And thanks for the lesson on the flag of St George...;)

Equibrit
Aug. 10, 2008, 05:46 PM
To me the saddest part of this whole situation is that the Olympic games are being held in such an intolerant country...freedom of speech, freedom of expression, anything that isn't structured by its government is being shut down. The games are supposed to bring the world together but this is the first time I remember the games bring about such tension. There has been controversy since China was selected to host. The protests in Paris and other cities along the torch trail should have been a warning that these games would be different. :no:


GET OVER IT!
Shame you can't feel the same way when those freedoms are denied in your own country. Methods may differ - but the outcome is the same! It is less likely that the world WILL come together when folks have your attitude. http://www.americanfreepress.net/04_06_04/Media_Coverage/media_coverage.html
http://www.prisonactivist.org/pps+pows/pplist-alpha.shtml

You can stick your head in the sand and dismiss the facts, or you can question your government - your choice/responsibility.

ridgeback
Aug. 10, 2008, 05:48 PM
GET OVER IT!
Shame you can't feel the same way when those freedoms are denied in your own country. Methods may differ - but the outcome is the same!


Give me a break we have our issues but nothing like China...We can only hope the olympics will open their eyes. China's human rights SUCK just try reading up on it:eek:
JerseyGirlEQ writes

"To me the saddest part of this whole situation is that the Olympic games are being held in such an intolerant country...freedom of speech, freedom of expression, anything that isn't structured by its government is being shut down. The games are supposed to bring the world together but this is the first time I remember the games bring about such tension. There has been controversy since China was selected to host. The protests in Paris and other cities along the torch trail should have been a warning that these games would be different. "

ALL TRUE...

ridgeback
Aug. 11, 2008, 09:15 AM
Ha! I have not been in the closet for MANY years!!!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Glimmerglass
Aug. 11, 2008, 09:29 AM
If in order to host the Olympics that nation had to rank in the top 10 in human rights and freedoms then you'd never see the summer or winter olympics held outside of Scandinavia. You can say the US is 'better' then China on human rights but it pales next to many other countries.

ridgeback
Aug. 11, 2008, 09:31 AM
If in order to host the Olympics that nation had to rank in the top 10 in human rights and freedoms then you'd never see the summer or winter olympics held outside of Scandinavia. You can say the US is 'better' then China on human rights but it pales next to many other countries.

Of course many other countries sit on their hands and expect the U.S. and some other countries to take care of all the world problems.. I think the U.S. could improve for sure but we aren't even in the same boat as the Chinese..

mayhew
Aug. 11, 2008, 01:49 PM
Well, Eric Lamaze does have that effect on the ladies....

Ajierene
Aug. 11, 2008, 01:57 PM
Well, Eric Lamaze does have that effect on the ladies....

I plead ignorance...you lost me...what's the joke?

mayhew
Aug. 11, 2008, 02:24 PM
Sorry--crazed female fan, handsome male rider... horsewomen being what they are, the town of Schomberg tends to be filled with panting women and fainting teenagers.

No comment on International Relations intended.:winkgrin:

Ajierene
Aug. 11, 2008, 02:35 PM
Sorry--crazed female fan, handsome male rider... horsewomen being what they are, the town of Schomberg tends to be filled with panting women and fainting teenagers.

No comment on International Relations intended.:winkgrin:

he he. OK- I looked him up and found this article about past drug problems and was trying to make a connection. I missed the whole 'eye candy' bit.

ridgeback
Aug. 11, 2008, 04:35 PM
he he. OK- I looked him up and found this article about past drug problems and was trying to make a connection. I missed the whole 'eye candy' bit.

Yes missed the olympics twice because of it:no::eek::lol:

Mozart
Aug. 11, 2008, 04:42 PM
Well, Eric Lamaze does have that effect on the ladies....

Too funny....when I saw the title of the thread..I thought along the same lines...okay who lost control and mobbed a good looking rider...I mean, you know what Canadian women are like.

Ajierene
Aug. 11, 2008, 04:56 PM
Too funny....when I saw the title of the thread..I thought along the same lines...okay who lost control and mobbed a good looking rider...I mean, you know what Canadian women are like.

I am getting such an educations on Canadians.....

ridgeback
Aug. 11, 2008, 04:58 PM
So glad Eric made it this year..