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Sdhaurmsmom
Aug. 9, 2008, 02:04 PM
Just got done watching the online videos of the Eventing dressage. They have a running typed commentary...who is doing that? Who is writing those comments?

I think they need to keep in mind that they have an audience of perhaps millions...and avoid unfortunate comments such as the following, printed in reverse order (top comment was the final comment):
bold and italic are mine:

"# I know it is not right for me to say but not a bad test for an Anglo Arab
# But a good horse is a good horse irrelevant of it,s breed
# We dont see many anglo Arabs in our sport"

GEEZ! If you KNOW it's NOT RIGHT for you to say, especially in front of an audience of so many internationally - why the H$LL did you feel compelled to write it out anyway?!!

Yank that person off the line and gently remind them that it's not for them to pass barely-veiled judgments on breeds in this situation...do it on your own time...:mad:

Unbelievable.:eek:

yventer
Aug. 9, 2008, 02:42 PM
During the break, it said it was Imtiaz Aneez.

Larksmom
Aug. 9, 2008, 02:55 PM
the commentators are Kenny Rice and Melanie Smith taylor. Kenny used to cover horse racing on ESPN. Melanie of course is a Gold Medalist show jumper.

Xctrygirl
Aug. 9, 2008, 03:03 PM
My thought as I read them last night was that anyone out there could put commentary. Ala Youtube.

I could be wrong.

Not at home to check.

~Emily

Party Rose
Aug. 9, 2008, 07:26 PM
I wish Robert Ridland had the job!

lauriep
Aug. 9, 2008, 07:32 PM
Melanie is doing the NBC color commentary on the network, and is only going to be in the NYC studio. She isn't in Beijing.

yventer
Aug. 9, 2008, 10:10 PM
I think the OP was talking about the typed commentary that appears in a box under the live feed video frame.

FullCircleTraining
Aug. 9, 2008, 10:58 PM
Yes, it is Imtiaz Aneez who is doing the typed commentary on the streaming video. He apologized tonight for his comments about Anglo Arabs (although I agree they never should have been made to begin with).

whitewolfe001
Aug. 10, 2008, 01:56 AM
Yeah that is a pretty tacky thing to say.

I don't know who they are, but I was watching the eventing dressage today and cringed when the female commentator said,

"This is a modified version of Grand Prix dressage"

Ummm... sorry, no. It's equivalent to Third Level.

You'd think they would get someone more experienced to be the commentator on these things.

Good thing for her that she could immediately see the scores given for each movement right away. Gave her some pretty big clues on whether or not the horse was doing well. Most of her commentary was "Oh, that was good, it got an 8".


EDITED: Oh, sorry, just re-read, I didn't realize you were talking about the typed commentary.... haven't seen those....

BoysenLTD
Aug. 10, 2008, 02:28 AM
Yes, it is Imtiaz Aneez who is doing the typed commentary on the streaming video. He apologized tonight for his comments about Anglo Arabs (although I agree they never should have been made to begin with).

I was watching live when he said the comment about the anglo arab...I AGREE if he is breed bias he has no place commenting on the breeds in this sport. Who is he anyway...oh yeah I quess he went to the olympics...not very sportsman like in my opinion. Purple, blue or orange a good horse is a good horse! Go USA Go world Whatever breed you ride...Ride on!

NowThatsATrot
Aug. 10, 2008, 08:37 PM
Agreed with the typed comments on the live feed. I got so sick of the breed/nation bashing that I just switched it off. The poor typing skills didn't really help matters; I'm not a perfect typist but the excessive typos and abbreviations are really irritating.

I love the live feed and I'm glad they made an effort to have someone there giving a play-by-play... Maybe just another choice next time?

mbm
Aug. 10, 2008, 08:45 PM
errrr.... while what he said may of been in poor taste lets not crucify him.... i mean can you think how hard it would be to have to watch the rides and type and do it for *hours* on end?

give the guy some credit and a break , huh?

plus, he is an american and a dressage rider :)

poltroon
Aug. 10, 2008, 08:50 PM
Yeah that is a pretty tacky thing to say.

I don't know who they are, but I was watching the eventing dressage today and cringed when the female commentator said,

"This is a modified version of Grand Prix dressage"

That's Melanie Smith Taylor, 1984 SJ gold medalist. It's not that she doesn't know the difference: she's trying to make things clear to people who don't know the various horse sports.

Melanie's pretty good, but I really loved having Jimmy Wofford in Athens. :)

LKF
Aug. 10, 2008, 09:07 PM
I was watching live when he said the comment about the anglo arab...I AGREE if he is breed bias he has no place commenting on the breeds in this sport. Who is he anyway...oh yeah I quess he went to the olympics...not very sportsman like in my opinion. Purple, blue or orange a good horse is a good horse! Go USA Go world Whatever breed you ride...Ride on!

No surprise that something stupid comes out of his mouth.

ponyjumper4
Aug. 10, 2008, 10:51 PM
I'm sure Imti didn't mean anything by it, it's just his sense of humor.

Party Rose
Aug. 11, 2008, 01:42 AM
Perhaps a class at horse shows should be offered on the history of riders, horses, trainers, owners, events, etc. and everyone that enters the tested class would have to do their studying on their own time. Are there really trainers today that would not share a story or two at least every once in a while with a client of theirs? I can't seem to get the USET's website moving tonight, but they use to have an area with old photos and (I think) bios.

Reminds me of the 1992 World Cup Finals in Del Mar. Ushers were asking George, Frank and Bill to move, as no standing in the aisle was allowed. Being horrified, I said something and was immediatly put incharge of that area, which was the seating for the riders & trainers by the ingate. What amazed me was that I really had nothing to do with horses for over 21 years, I was living on the "other" coast and I knew (some personally) more people than those that were currently involved in the equine industry.

Education is so important and again I say poltroon, THANKS :winkgrin:

snoopy
Aug. 11, 2008, 02:19 AM
errrr.... while what he said may of been in poor taste lets not crucify him.... i mean can you think how hard it would be to have to watch the rides and type and do it for *hours* on end?

give the guy some credit and a break , huh?

plus, he is an american and a dressage rider :)


He riders for India and is an event rider.

allanglos
Aug. 11, 2008, 03:26 AM
Since Anglos are one of the most successful breed of eventers in the world, this guy's comment shows his compete ignorance.

http://www.anglo-arabians.com/AA_eventnews.htm

Thames Pirate
Aug. 11, 2008, 04:58 AM
Since Anglos are one of the most successful breed of eventers in the world, this guy's comment shows his compete ignorance.

http://www.anglo-arabians.com/AA_eventnews.htm

Actually, it's not ignorance, it's bias. Imtiaz owned only Arabs until he got to the Intermediate level, I believe. His family still owns Arabs, and he has students who ride Arabs. He just doesn't care for the breed, though he recognizes a good horse when he sees it.

I agree that we should cut him some slack; it's not easy typing that fast while watching and giving analysis. He knows there are typos. He apologized for them. He is well-educated in multiple languages. He is also a good rider (Sydney Olympics, Jerez WEGs, qualified for Athens, etc.) with a unique equestrian background--it's a lot harder to compete at the top when you're the only one from your country, have no NF, and are financing yourself with no sponsership (yes, he has sponsors now, but he didn't until he earned them--again, made tougher by the fact that he's not part of a team). He made a poor choice making a biased statement, but let's not judge him without walking a mile in his shoes.

Beezer
Aug. 11, 2008, 03:08 PM
OK, I honestly cannot be the only person who choked out a laugh when he wrote that.

I have nothing against Anglo-Arabs, even rode one in junior jumpers as a kid. But I was thinking the same thing as what he typed. It's also fairly close to what some friends said when I saw them over the weekend. Sure, we didn't say it on a webcast, but still, the sentiment was there.

People comment on the unusual (which is why we loved Teddy -- and everyone always commented on his size and how he shouldn't have been able to do what he did).

On the subject of who the commentary is: Until I saw the name here, I had no clue who was doing the running commentary, and truth be told, I **still** don't have a clue who he is. ;)

yaya
Aug. 11, 2008, 04:19 PM
i mean can you think how hard it would be to have to watch the rides and type and do it for *hours* on end?




Didn't seem to be a problem for a lot of the people here who were watching and typing on this board at the same time for hours on end! :lol:

Equibrit
Aug. 11, 2008, 04:37 PM
There was absolutely nothing malicious about this guy making a tongue in cheek remark about a particular breed of horse. We are ALL capable of that, and the only reason a person responds is because of the breed they happen to support.

mbm
Aug. 11, 2008, 06:00 PM
He riders for India and is an event rider.

http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?section=Olympics&id=1635

"imtiaz is currently based in Georgia and trains horses and riders at his privately owned farm, Springtown Stables located in Moreland, Georgia."

NowThatsATrot
Aug. 11, 2008, 06:09 PM
There was absolutely nothing malicious about this guy making a tongue in cheek remark about a particular breed of horse. We are ALL capable of that, and the only reason a person responds is because of the breed they happen to support.

Actually I have yet to meet an Arab I really like. I just thought it could have been worded differently, given the audience.

He also made a few remarks to the effect of, "Not bad, for Poland" and so on. Maybe it didn't come out the way he intended it, but still, not really the time or place.

His commentary kind of had the effect of reading a dressage score sheet that had been written by a slow, sloppy-handed scribe, that's all. ;)

clm08
Aug. 12, 2008, 01:39 AM
And ask to have the commentator, Imtiaz, fired? 1) For lack of cultural sensitivity - there is a very international audience watching online, not just Americans; 2) for uncalled for breed bias, and 3) for making no truly educational or interesting comments?
When the ISH and TBs had their tense moments during dressage, it was because they are fit horses ready for cross country. When the anglo arabs had tense moments, it was due to their Arab heritage.
When riders from less traditional countries had a good ride, especially in the cross country phase, he was condescending. Giv' me a break!
So how do you turn off the written commentary??

citydog
Aug. 12, 2008, 01:51 AM
I don't think his comments added much, and on the XC feed he was crabbing about how difficult it was to watch and type, and asked where the scribe was. I think even his commentary would have been significantly better if they'd had a scribe, though.

And regarding the "international audience", AFAIK, the nbcolympics.com videos aren't available outside the US.

grayarabpony
Aug. 12, 2008, 02:05 AM
Actually I have yet to meet an Arab I really like. I just thought it could have been worded differently, given the audience.

He also made a few remarks to the effect of, "Not bad, for Poland" and so on. Maybe it didn't come out the way he intended it, but still, not really the time or place.

His commentary kind of had the effect of reading a dressage score sheet that had been written by a slow, sloppy-handed scribe, that's all. ;)

An Anglo-Arabian is NOT an Arab, or even necessarily a Half Arabian. Anglos can be bred to Anglos, especially as is the case in France. Maybe I'll email a link of the history of the breed to his website. ;)

One thing that ticks me off about so much equine commentary is how much it's dumbed down. Probably 95% of the audience rides and/ or owns horses!

grayarabpony
Aug. 12, 2008, 02:07 AM
And ask to have the commentator, Imtiaz, fired? 1) For lack of cultural sensitivity - there is a very international audience watching online, not just Americans; 2) for uncalled for breed bias, and 3) for making no truly educational or interesting comments?
When the ISH and TBs had their tense moments during dressage, it was because they are fit horses ready for cross country. When the anglo arabs had tense moments, it was due to their Arab heritage.
When riders from less traditional countries had a good ride, especially in the cross country phase, he was condescending. Giv' me a break!
So how do you turn off the written commentary??

You can turn off the written commentary by hitting Enhanced Video below the video screen; the video screen enlarges and the commentary disappears.

clm08
Aug. 12, 2008, 12:49 PM
citydog,
you know, there is a large international community within the US, myself included, that happens to follow equestrian sports from nbcolympics. I am Brazilian just for clarification, and show jumping is big in my country, with eventing not as popular, but in my humble opinion Jeferson Moreira's cross country and SJ rounds looked pretty good on his Anglo Arab (only 9yrs old if I am not mistaken). His dressage test was pretty relaxed too and caused Imtiaz' comment that for an Anglo Arab he did a good test...

grayarabpony,
thanks for the tip on how to turn off the commentary.

emma ashe
Aug. 12, 2008, 01:03 PM
Oh am I ever going to rag him about this. He loves my mare and though she's registered Trak. she's really Anglo-Arab. Ha. The next time he wants to borrow her for a ride, I'll have to remind him that he couldn't possibly want her. :lol::lol:

SuperSTB
Aug. 13, 2008, 01:35 PM
strangle someone...

I recorded the show jumping and watched it last night.

I know there are a couple threads here on 'commentaries' but seriously it's soooo bad it's making me turn off the sound.

The show jumping- if (what's her name) said 'delicate (tight) course' or 'flat/ shallow cups" one more time I was going to throw up.

Can they just hand them some pages on rider information so that they can talk about that between jumps rather then repeating the same lame quotes over and over and over. There is absolutely no *life* in the broadcasting.

red mare
Aug. 13, 2008, 02:39 PM
strangle someone...

I recorded the show jumping and watched it last night.

I know there are a couple threads here on 'commentaries' but seriously it's soooo bad it's making me turn off the sound.

The show jumping- if (what's her name) said 'delicate (tight) course' or 'flat/ shallow cups" one more time I was going to throw up.

Can they just hand them some pages on rider information so that they can talk about that between jumps rather then repeating the same lame quotes over and over and over. There is absolutely no *life* in the broadcasting.

I haven't been watching so I haven't heard the commentary.

"What's her name" is Melanie Smith Taylor, a member of the US show jumping team that won the team gold in the 1984 Olympics. The first issue of Practical Horseman that I ever read featured Melanie on the cover with the fabulous Calypso. While you may not care for her delivery, she is a knowledgeable and well-respected horseperson.

She is not reporting live from China but rather from New York due to a mandate (cost cutting?) by NBC. So she doesn't have the opportunity to walk the course, interview riders, etc. but has to depend on others to give her the little details. Not the easiest way to report IMO.

Here's a link to an article by Leonard Shapiro of the Washington Post that explains this. Maybe after reading it, you'll cut her some slack.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/12/AR2008081202367_pf.html

SuperSTB
Aug. 13, 2008, 03:58 PM
I haven't been watching so I haven't heard the commentary.

"What's her name" is Melanie Smith Taylor, a member of the US show jumping team that won the team gold in the 1984 Olympics. The first issue of Practical Horseman that I ever read featured Melanie on the cover with the fabulous Calypso. While you may not care for her delivery, she is a knowledgeable and well-respected horseperson.

She is not reporting live from China but rather from New York due to a mandate (cost cutting?) by NBC. So she doesn't have the opportunity to walk the course, interview riders, etc. but has to depend on others to give her the little details. Not the easiest way to report IMO.

Here's a link to an article by Leonard Shapiro of the Washington Post that explains this. Maybe after reading it, you'll cut her some slack.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/12/AR2008081202367_pf.html

I know who she is- just couldn't think of her name at the moment. I also know how great of a rider she is... BUT... doesn't matter how knowledgable or spectacular of a person if you're going to suck at being a commentary don't agree to do it.

It's also ridiculous that they couldn't do this from bejing. WTF? It's not like we didn't have ample warning that the Olympics were going to happen.

Edited to add: read the article after this initial posting. Hmmm I'm writing NBC a letter. Sounds like a bunch of excuses by them.

BAC
Aug. 13, 2008, 04:14 PM
I wish Robert Ridland had the job!

Or even better, Bill Steinkraus. He was one of the commentators at Seoul in 1988. I still have a tape of the cross country and despite the fact he is a showjumper he is such a superb all around horseman he knew exactly what he was seeing and able to comment so knowledgeably about it. Jimmy Wofford is much the same.

BAC
Aug. 13, 2008, 04:23 PM
"What's her name" is Melanie Smith Taylor, a member of the US show jumping team that won the team gold in the 1984 Olympics. The first issue of Practical Horseman that I ever read featured Melanie on the cover with the fabulous Calypso. While you may not care for her delivery, she is a knowledgeable and well-respected horseperson.

I know exactly who Melanie is but despite her impressive riding credentials television commentator is not one of her strong points IMHO. I always groan when I hear her voice. Anyone remember her meltdown at Sydney when Baloubet quit 3 times and was eliminated? This was shortly after her comment that "all Rodrigo had to do was go clean and the gold medal was his." I'm sure she is a very nice person but I wish they would replace her.

Beezer
Aug. 13, 2008, 04:33 PM
Eh, I far prefer her to, say, Joan Rivers' daughter. :dead:

I imagine that Melanie is under long-term contract to NBC. Robert Ridland has his own events production company (think the Vegas World Cup, Oaks-Blenheim), so he is likely contractually obligated elsewhere. The others mentioned are also likely similarly situated. But the bottom line is, whoever the commentator was, he/she would be handicapped by the same long-distance issues as Melanie.

To play devil's advocate: Network officials can only contact people they know or who are shopped to them by their agents. ;) And as important as the equestrian events are to us, to the network the sport is small potatoes and NBC folks aren't going to expend a lot of time and energy looking elsewhere when they have someone they know and like already working for them.

I do have to say, however, that this board does like to complain a lot about everything! :lol: :lol:

Coreene
Aug. 13, 2008, 04:52 PM
Eh, I far prefer her to, say, Joan Rivers' daughter. :dead:Well we could do an entire thread on that, couldn't we?

Melanie is not going to win an Emmy. Neither are the ones on Animal Planet's sporthorse thing.

SuperSTB
Aug. 13, 2008, 09:32 PM
I do have to say, however, that this board does like to complain a lot about everything! :lol: :lol:

It's just whiney time for me :D I completely missed out on the Olympics in 2004 so now I'm making up for it and I'm SO impatient to see it every night.

Hmmm maybe I need to go read some horsie stick art...

citydog
Aug. 13, 2008, 11:11 PM
citydog,
you know, there is a large international community within the US, myself included, that happens to follow equestrian sports from nbcolympics.

Oh I know! I didn't mean it that way. I was just coming from another board where folks were bemoaning not being able to get the feed when they were located outside the US. That's what I meant by "international".