Your TBs ancestors--lots of eye candy

[vineyridge]

Go here--
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/stallion-directory/media/resources/classic-gallery.pdf
for the TB Times Gallery of classic sires. The ones they have have their conformation pictures from their old stallion ads. Lots of interesting comparison opportunities.


The rest of the stallion register will have information on the current, still breeding sires if the owners have paid money to be listed. Otherwise all you get is names and addresses.

[Sandy M]

A real kick to see the pic of Olden Times, who was always one of my favorite racers. I saw him in person in Kentucky when he was older.

That poor horse was raced to death (pin fired, hock like a canteloupe, etc.) but he looked comfortable and was still leading broodmare sire lists at the time. Not surprising considering the Ellsworth/Tenney connection.

Jack Price, the owner of Carry Back, used to say that he liked to breed Olden Times mares to Carry Back. Carry Back provided the stamina, and Olden Times the soundness. ("They stay sound and can run all day...")

The picture is a kick: He was a heckuva sprinter, and he looks like a QH in that picture.

The most exciting race I ever saw was his win of the San Juan Capistrano at Santa Anita when it was run at 1-3/4 miles. Shoemaker broke him on top, had a lead of 28 lengths at one point, and hung on to win by a NOSE! When they presented the trophy to Mrs. Ellsworth, all she could say was, "..but he's only supposed to go six furlongs to a mile....". Shoemaker said he was NEVER beaten out of the gate on Olden Times.

I'm surprised he wasn't used much by QH people, but I suppose his stud fee was probably more than they were used to paying at the time.

[Fred]

thank you for posting that link vineyridge.

One of the things I love about TTTs is that it runs those pictures in the stallion directory.

[bludini]

Isn't it funny that Bold Ruler's dam was Miss Disco when Disco wasn't popular until the 70s/80s.

Discotheque could have meant simply nightclub or dancehall at that time....but I digress.

[vineyridge]

Olden Times--but, but...
According to his dosage figures and his breeding, he wasn't SUPPOSED to be a sprinter.

Must have got it from his Black Toney lines, because the rest were stayers. Odd, isn't it?

Gonna have to do some research and see if he produced stayers or sprinters.

[hearthorse]

My OTTB is a Olden Times Great granddaughter! Cool pics!

[Sandy M]

Olden Times--but, but...
According to his dosage figures and his breeding, he wasn't SUPPOSED to be a sprinter.

Must have got it from his Black Toney lines, because the rest were stayers. Odd, isn't it?

Gonna have to do some research and see if he produced stayers or sprinters.

Yes, very strange. As I recall, when they used to televise (in B & W) the Santa Anita feature race each week, he was either running at six furlongs, or in longer races as a rabbit for some other Ellsworth horse like Prove It (another favorite). And the old boy sure looks like a QH in that picture.

[Sandy M]

My OTTB is a Olden Times Great granddaughter! Cool pics!


There used to be a chestnut son of his advertised as a hunter and hunter pony sire. Can't remember the name.

[TBCollector]

Can't imagine how Relaunch was left off this list. He's the sire of my 20-year-old still-going-strong boy (who raced until he was 11).
Relaunch's sire, In Reality, is there. He's impressive!

[DMK]

I have one of the old stallion issues where they published most of those pictures throughout the issue - that's why I've saved it for about 12 years! Even better now it is a bookmark!

That poor horse was raced to death (pin fired, hock like a canteloupe, etc.) but he looked comfortable and was still leading broodmare sire lists at the time. Not surprising considering the Ellsworth/Tenney connection.

I used to handle a son of Olden Times out of a Stage Door Johnny mare - he was one of my favorite horses and even bred my QH mare to him. In the Small World department, and about 8 years ago I was working on the due diligence team for an acquisition in Texas, and of all things, the VP of Finance was Rex's grandson. :eek: Uh, he kinda knew about his grandfather's rep, and I'm reading between the lines and thinking Rex didn't treat his children much different from his horses.

When I was reading about that 800 hrs operation with the rescues in CA I swear I thought "look, apparently the Rex Ellsworth School of Horsmanship lives on" :rolleyes:

Here's a picture of that Olden Times son...

[Threedaydream]

My horse has Herbager in his breeding, (great grand sire) that's a good looking horse!
Tom Fool's confo actually reminds me quite a bit of my guy (he has TF in his breeding)

[vineyridge]

My little fellow has Sea-Bird. I swear I think he is one of the most beautiful horses I have ever seen. Now think of the picture in color with a bright chestnut and chrome. :eek: That would NOT be my guy. He's plain bay and proud of it.

[Ajierene]

Thanks for the link, Vineyridge!

I always wondered about my mare's pedigree. I saw Native Dancer and War Admiral on her dam's side, but didn't recognize any names on her sire's side. Turns out her grandsire was leading horse of Canada twice and her great grandsire was leading sire in 1981, producing 14% stake winners.


It was great to see some of her background. Since she never raced and came from somewhat of a backyard thoroughbred breeding farm, I always wondered how good her bloodlines were.

[maxxtrot]

wow, my homebred yearling colt has quite a few of these guys on both sides of his family. and he is really some kinda mover! here is his pedigree-

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.php?query_type=horse&search_bar=horse&h=DILIGENT+LAD&g=5&p=0&f=1&l=

[Foxtrot's]

Am I dumb, or what? This is a list of sires who ran classic distances, or a list of sires who produced classic distance horses, and what is a classic distance.

So many of those sires are sposrthorse producers that I know of, including my own TB fave's.

[cloudyandcallie]

Thank you.
There are also lots of TBs and other breeds/registries, on allbreedpedigrees.
My ottb mare's great great grandsire was War Admiral, and my WB's grandsire was Samber and his greatgrandsire (maternally) was Inschallah.
I love looking at all the old TBs like Persimmon and all the TBs who contributed to the WB registries.

[vineyridge]

Am I dumb, or what? This is a list of sires who ran classic distances, or a list of sires who produced classic distance horses, and what is a classic distance.

So many of those sires are sposrthorse producers that I know of, including my own TB fave's.

I *think* the description "classic" refers to their impact on the breed as a whole--their influence has lasted long enough to be cataloged in the history books.

And the attribute that they all share is being dead. ;)

[DMK]

yes, you look at the vast majority of them and they either led the Broodmare Sire's list or the General Sire's list at least once. And if they didn't, chances are they sired one or two horses who did.

I always get a kick out of looking at Bull Dog and his son Bull Lea. Bull Dog was famous, but Bull Lea was a legend - the foundation sire of the great Calumet mare bands. Just goes to show you what genetics will do - Bull Lea is wholly unremarkable in his conformation. Bull Dog could win on the line anywhere, anyhow. He is stunning. I've always been convinced that whatever Bull Dog had must have skipped Bull Lea and went to work in all those Calumet mares like Two Lea who ended up in pedigrees like On and On, Tim Tam and Alydar...

[vineyridge]

yes, you look at the vast majority of them and they either led the Broodmare Sire's list or the General Sire's list at least once. And if they didn't, chances are they sired one or two horses who did.

I always get a kick out of looking at Bull Dog and his son Bull Lea. Bull Dog was famous, but Bull Lea was a legend - the foundation sire of the great Calumet mare bands. Just goes to show you what genetics will do - Bull Lea is wholly unremarkable in his conformation. Bull Dog could win on the line anywhere, anyhow. He is stunning. I've always been convinced that whatever Bull Dog had must have skipped Bull Lea and went to work in all those Calumet mares like Two Lea who ended up in pedigrees like On and On, Tim Tam and Alydar...

Plucky Liege? :winkgrin:

Rose Leaves was no slouch herself in the shed. She was the dam of the full brothers Espino and Rose de Bois who have ended up in the pedigrees of horses bred for chasing and sport back when there were TB breeding programs for both.

[subk]

Thanks for the link! I have an old directory also. The pedigree of my first horse is tucked into it and I might even find it one of these days!

Don't forget that you can also get the photos of your horse's ancestors off the pedigree site. Here's the link to Maxtrot's pony that she posted earlier: http://www.pedigreequery.com/photos/diligent+lad

All you do is go under "reports" and select "photos."

[blue&blond]

Thanks for the link! I have an old directory also. The pedigree of my first horse is tucked into it and I might even find it one of these days!

Don't forget that you can also get the photos of your horse's ancestors off the pedigree site. Here's the link to Maxtrot's pony that she posted earlier: http://www.pedigreequery.com/photos/diligent+lad

All you do is go under "reports" and select "photos."

THAT is so cool! I never knew you could opt for the photos! Thank you!

[horsecents]

vineyridge - thanks for the link. I was able to see 3 out of 4 of my horse's great grand sires(?) Mr. Prospector, Dr. Fager and Sharpen Up plus Fappiano (his sire's sire). My horse looks similar to Sharpen Up except bay.

[AdAblurr02]

Isn't it funny that Bold Ruler's dam was Miss Disco when Disco wasn't popular until the 70s/80s.

Discotheque could have meant simply nightclub or dancehall at that time....but I digress.

I "think" the name was a spinoff of her ancestor Discovery.....