DVD, Nuno Oliveira: In His Own Words

[RUNVS]

I have just received my copy of Nuno Oliveira: In His Own Words. And I must say that it is absolutely fantastic.

I have watched it several times and see something new each time. I think that this will one of the most valuable tools for riders, trainers and instructors to ever be produced.

I have seen many clips of Nuno, but this is totally different. It is not just clips put together but it is a training video and the insight/teaching given by Nuno while he is riding/training the stallion is just so precise and informative.

Well done San Miranda, you have made a trully valuable contribution to the dressage community.:yes::yes::yes:

SLC do your self a favour GET ONE.

[slc2]

I never pay for something I don't want in the first place.

it's not really your job to prosteletize ANYONE, or to dog them in thread after thread to try to get them to like the same rider you like. I dont' do that to you - don't do it to me. Agreeing with you about Nuno Olivera is not one of my responsibilities - GETTING me to agree with you about Nuno Olivera isn't really one of yours.

[egontoast]

Wow. I saw that before it was edited slc. Having boundaries might include not going starkers off the deep end because someone suggests you get a dvd.:eek:


editing to add- "boundaries " comment has now been deleted from slc's comment.

[slc2]

i deleted the 'boundaries' comment because the post was getting too long, and did so before you posted, that had nothing to do with you. i still think it's a valid statement. trying to push me to like nuno olivera isn't anyone's job. there is a circle of people who adore him and refer to his students as 'disciples', there is a circle of dressage ppl who DON'T like him. go pick on ideayoda for not liking him, how bout.

and ah....well, egon, i think you go off the deep end on every single post of yours.

[sm]

so eggie, can you do a video of someone going over the deep end and post it on youtube? Maybe a re-enactment would be nice...

This reminds me of being in a tack shop yesterday, and some kid riders were working out rap for a musical freestyle :cool::

Yo yo yo, check it out
I am supple and my horse is fit
So don't tell me our canter pirouttes look like.... (enter voice over) neigh

[Fairview Horse Center]

Nuno. :no: :no: Just sad that anyone still believes that rubbish. He is a circus rider, it is not dressage.

[sm]

Okay, rap may not be working.

Haiku, anyone?

[slc2]

there are people who call Nuno's students 'disciples', and there are people who don't care for his style at all. I think I could safely add Darlyn to that group, LOL.

[RUNVS]

slc SM offered to send them to you totaly free! I am puzzled why you would not take up the opportunity. What are you afraid of.. :eek: These DVDs are unique in that you see him training a stallion for 4 days over two hours, no editing. And the change in the stallion at the end of the 4 days will silence all critics of Nuno:yes:

[Gucci Cowgirl]

4 days isn't training dressage, 4 days is training reactions.

Show me a DVD of Nuno training the stallion taken over the course of 4 years that shows a clear progression in the training scale, and demonstrates the complete training from basic level to grand prix, and I will be impressed.

[slc2]

"offered to send them to you free....what are you afraid of"

talk about dramatic....ok, I'll tell you what I'm afraid of.

Nothing. I forgot who said they would send them for free. And I figured if I asked, I'd set off another storm of tendentious tirades. I'm afraid listening to all you self righteous HTT Nuno disciples might make me laugh so hard I pee my pants.

And of course, you people saying 'do yourself a favor' and 'what are you afraid of' aren't exactly putting me in any mood to want the DVD, either. I was almost ready to do it, til you guys said those things.

The spectre of sitting for what seems like eons watching a rider I don't like plop around with his head in his lap doing the same leg yield thing 1000 times in a row, when I could be washing socks or planting grass, I'm afraid of that. "

The other thing I'm afraid of is the quality of the video, which looked horrid. I've already seen most of the clips, and the quality is just really bad.

By the way...you didn't answer my question.

Why aren't you telling ideayoda to 'do her self a favor', or asking her 'what are you afraid of', or EqTrainer?

[Fairview Horse Center]

4 days isn't training dressage, 4 days is training reactions.

That is what Nuno, and his sidekick Dominique do - they teach tricks, signal training, not influencing the horses thru aids. It is dog training, circus training, not dressage. Yes, he is good at training circus tricks, but also a horrible teacher. In clinics that people paid a lot of money to ride with him, he sat at the end of the arena at PHC, flirting with the ladies, laughing and partying. Never paying a bit of attention to the actual rider. What a joke. His protégé does the same thing. Middle aged bored housewives get their "fannies pinched" by someone with an accent and b*lls, and that thrills them, but they don't learn to ride. The horses become experts at evasion. The learned evasion at the signal, looks fancy, and impresses some people.

[MelantheLLC]

Middle aged bored housewives get their "fannies pinched" by someone with an accent and b*lls, and that thrills them, but they don't learn to ride.

I could care less about N.O. one way or the other, but I'm soooo tired of the repetitive bs on this forum about the generic "middle-aged housewives" and whichever male trainer is currently being dissed.

It's just misogynistic, age-ist spew. And as offensive as fanny-pinching in its own lack of common courtesy and respect.

[slc2]

That's correct. I hate that spewage of mysogyny.

Besides, often it's young male landscapers getting pinched.

[RUNVS]

The quality of the footage is very good, good sound and good visual, not at all like the quality on youtube.

The riding is inspiring and educational.

The teaching is very informative.

San Miranda offered to send you the DVDs free of charge so that you can judge them for your self SLC, not to change your mind. SM is all for sharing knowledge and I for one am extremely greatfull that she has done so.

Its a very sad world where one person has gone to so much trouble and expense to share something so rare with the rest of the world and a few on the board just use vulgar language to express themselves without viewing this inspiring footage.

You would think, from these posts, that SM has commited a serious crime instead of contribuiting and sharing something postive with the dressage community.

All I wanted to do was to let everyone know that these DVDs are first quality if I have offended anyone I appologise:sadsmile:

[muddyhorse]

Where can I buy this DVD? It sounds very interesting. I personally don't just buy books or whatever by people I love. I buy stuff by people who rub me up the wrong way too. I happily pay good money to be outraged, and sometimes I am surprised (or disappointed) to find that the object of my disgust has actually got something useful to say. Gotta love this board.

Camille

[Gaia]

I have started to watch the DVDs.
I see a method being used, expertly. The method is not the same as the "mainstream" - the official educating book for judges in Sweden states that shoulder-in in walk is of no use. Nuno Oliveira uses the SI in walk and gets results.
He uses his body without disturbing the horse.

If you want to hold a distorting mirror for a laugh - it´s possible.

I am not a fan of a lot of methods in modern dressage, but I try to watch and learn. All the small nuances that make a difference. Easy to distort there too.

Margareta, in Sweden

[slc2]

I ask again, why aren't you 'trying to educate' EqTrainer and Ideayoda?

Why is that? Why are you 'trying to help' me and not them?

Why do I have to like Olivera?

I actually find his methods EXTREMELY UPSETTING BORDERING ON ABUSIVE. This is not 'vulgar' this is disagreeing with you. Why do I have to agree with you? Why do I have to be subjected to watching him? The horses are drilled and drilled and drilled repeating things over and over and over and over and over. I can't stand it. It makes my nauseated watching it.

[egontoast]

I ask again, why aren't you 'trying to educate' EqTrainer and Ideayoda?



I'm neither a disciple nor a 'hater' of N.O and won't be buying the dvd but even I but can guess the reply to your question. Perhaps it's because ET and IY remain more professional in expressing their views. I don't think they post vicious attacks then delete them afterwards, either.

Those types of things tend to provoke people more than polite disagreement.

[San Miranda]

Thanks RUNVS, I have had very positive feed back regarding the DVDs, it is so humbling!

I have offered the DVD set free of charge to SLC2 and am still waiting for her to take up the offer.

Are you envious was a name of a race horse that ran under RUNVS, is that where you got your name from?

Anyway thanks for the support with the DVDs, It has certainly brought some very interesting and informative people into my life. I certainly feel blessed:)

Kyliethomson@westnet.com.au
Conservatorium For Classical Dressage

[horsmän]

I am a disciple of N.O., or better, I would like to have been.
Unfortunatly I am 15 years too late.
But in Belgium (that´s near to Germany), there are some people who have worked with him (because N.O. was there for several clinics in the 80th, and his daughter-in-law had lived there), and where I can learn a little bit about riding in this way.

I´m allways very impressed to see the masters riding. It´s allways a very great pleasure, and I never ever seen horses worked in such a light, round and energetic way.

I want to buy these DVDs.
Please contact me per PM.

Thanks

[Foxtrot's]

Horsman - since you are new here I'll explain that every time slc and eggontoat get together on this board there is an argument, use of long words that most of us can't spell, and opinions. They are just that, opinions, not facts. So don't take it to heart and make up your own mind. Just had to add that.

[horsmän]

??
Hello Foxtrott (and HELLO to everybody in this nice world),
I don´t understand what you want to tell me, properly because english is not my nature-language.

Concret: Are those DVDs available or not???

In case of N.O.s riding there is no dought in me.
I look and study his way for a longer time.
But shure it is a personal point of view.
Everyone must make his own dessigion(?) - right?

regards
horsmän

[InsideLeg2OutsideRein]

Okay, rap may not be working.

Haiku, anyone?

:lol:

[Icecapade]

:lol:

I prefer the limerick personally but haiku's are a close second. :yes:

[vitor moço]

how can i get the dvd?can you help me?

[indyblue]

Where are all these first time posters coming from?
I like to think I have an open mind and I am interested in all types teaching but after seeing videos of Nuno I am afraid I crossed his way off my list.What is all the hype about?

[smithywess]

Oliveira was a Master of the art. His profound philosophy in the practice of lightness in equitation was his legacy to us all, where riding in lightness is the absolute epitome of classical, or artistic equitation. Unfortunately we see very little of it today.

[indyblue]

If Nuno was the "epitome of classical" then I personally am glad we see very little of it.

[Lambie Boat]

Nuno sho kud rite prudy, like lots of the klsikal folk/hurburmen/riter/the guyw/the chiken/the gentlemein now with karotstik-mustache man/the guy wat has bmi chart posted/et al

flowery.

poetic.

[Lambie Boat]

oh! how kud I forgat hat guy with gloved pinkie up? also gud riter to. vary klassikal! also weeble-body guy! and push-swing guy! too also bug eye old dude on platform! so many!

free dvd for me? thank you! I'll wathc,tho i'm not the ideyodaorslcortheothers

[Sabine]

If Nuno was the "epitome of classical" then I personally am glad we see very little of it.

your post reflects that you know little about the core elements of classical dressage- to which Nuno Oliveira has greatly contributed. I hope you have at least read Steinbrecht- if not- I would highly recommend you start there-he's German and the counterpart of Baucher- who is French, not sure if you read about him??
Nonetheless. I'd love to get those vids- please PM me and explain how to get them in the US.
Just cliniced with Bettina Drummond, Nuno's longtime student (17 years) and I have to say- in all my years of clinics, riding, training- this was an enormous experience to me, my horse, our progress and the quality of my work with him.

[indyblue]

Sabine.I have to tell you that I am not a great reader of dressage.I do however have lessons weekly, compete and ride up to five times a week so I hope I still qualify to have an opinion.I have however watched alot of videos over the years which i find I can relate to.I have seen a few clips of Nuno and I have been dissapointed with his riding.This does not mean that I do not know anything about classical riding or admire other classical trainers and riders.I do.I am glad you have just had a good series of lessons.So have I .

[Sabine]

Sabine.I have to tell you that I am not a great reader of dressage.I do however have lessons weekly, compete and ride up to five times a week so I hope I still qualify to have an opinion.I have however watched alot of videos over the years which i find I can relate to.I have seen a few clips of Nuno and I have been dissapointed with his riding.This does not mean that I do not know anything about classical riding or admire other classical trainers and riders.I do.I am glad you have just had a good series of lessons.So have I .

INdy- everyone has the right to an opinion. No doubt about that.
Nuno lived in a time where the video camera was not a standard staple and he lived in Portugal where his style and ways were highly respected. Utmost technology and the video experience was not in his world.
If you don't read- you miss half of what you can learn. But of course that is just my opinion.
Lessons are just words- it depends what mind they come from and are received by. Dressage is more than instruction....you must read to begin to understand the size of it- unless you have innate enormous instincts...of which there are about 10 of those folks around in the world, they were long discovered and made into pros.
Good luck with your riding...

[indyblue]

I have just read Klaus Balkenhol ,The Man and His Training Methods by Britta Schoffmann. This is a fantastic read with beautiful pictures.
I know people who are well read and talk the talk that I know can't ride yet like to baffle you with knowledge.

[Fairview Horse Center]

he's German and the counterpart of Baucher- who is French, not sure if you read about him??.

Baucher. Isn't he the guy that that nasty bit is named after? The one that the horses quickly learn to duck from the contact, rather than reach into it? The one with the leverage.

I remember Dominique was quite fond of that bit to induce the fake head position. In fact, I remember him berating a student for 2 of her lessons one weekend, about how DARE she change bits to a loose ring snaffle. Finally in the 3rd lesson, she was allowed to walk. She paid good money for that abuse too.

[Truthiness]

this thread is a bonafide goldmine.
thank you all kindly for this morning's giggles.
:lol::lol::lol:

[Beasmom]

Maybe some folks are refusing the "free" NO DVD for the same reason I refuse a "free" personality test from Scientologists...

[Tiligsmom]

Sorry - there's nothing in this video clip that I would want to emulate! What's the point of the chin on the chest, seat behind the vertical, slouching? Also, the horse sounds like he's nervously gnashing the bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TJkDYo1BPA

[Beasmom]

Yeah, I don't see what the fuss is all about, either. I don't get the point of the repetitive (and lousy) reinbacks. The horse was being dragged backwards, not stepping clearly and smoothly back.

I'm going out now for some popcorn and beer.

[Fairview Horse Center]

Overbent in the neck, falling out thru the shoulder, tense horse being flung around by a pure hand ride. Did anyone see a single correct rein back step? Diagonal pairs anyone? Nope. This is just a horse being jerked around by the bit. Awful ride.

[Tiligsmom]

Yup...saw that too. At no point was the horse ever in balance. Nuno just kept kicking him around, throwing him off balance, while the horse tried desperately to regain it. Dreadful riding!

Perhaps SLC doesn't want the "gift" of these DVDs because she doesn't feel the need to support these dreadful riding/teaching techniques. Bravo, SLC!

Plus, what a waste of resources.

[chipkalee]

The man was a genius. And don't confuse training for the finished product. Not well known but true, even Klimke (as well as other big names) did some training with Nuno. There's a reason for that.

[indyblue]

Im sorry but training is the only way to get to the "finished product". If the training is as bad as what I see on the video (I am talking about the grey) what is the finished product going to be?

[Forte]

I have only seen the clips on youtube, not the whole DVD, but I was very unimpressed by what I saw. I found the relentless lateral work and reinback very disturbing. Does he ever just go forward walk, trot, canter on simple lines or circles? I guess he doesn't believe in "calm, forward, straight"???

[horsmän]

Of course he did.
"calm, forward, straight" are the trues values in his riding.
Look at videos where he rode horses he longer has train, like Bunker or Soante. Never saw such great Lightness (absently of resistants against hands or legs)! It gets me tears in my eys ever I watch them.

The horses are very calm but not sleepy, they are very concentrated. For me it seems, that they ask for the riders thoughts and want to get them.

And of course he rides on a straight line.
But never forget:
Riding on a straight line, is the most difficult thing to do, not the most easyest thing. If you you realize this, you can understand why he often rides in sidewalks. Its the preparation to get on a stright line in a perfekt equilibrium.