Older schoolmaster price?

[STF]

How much (avg) would a 18yr old, non breeding mare, full WB, super pedigree (still can flush embryo's thou), super temperment that anyone can ride, solid 4th level and points up to PSG go for? Xrays were super clean even at this age with slight changes in the hocks, but nothing major?
How would something like this price?

[DownYonder]

FWIW, a friend just sold a 15 y/o solid 4th Level mare with schoolmaster temperament and good x-rays for $45,000. OTOH, another friend just paid $60,000 for a 16 y/o PSG schoolmaster gelding with good x-rays. We almost bought a 14 y/o approved stallion in Germany a few years ago with solid PSG show credentials and a AA, schoolmaster temperament for about $50,000 (the deal was nixed when we caught him cribbing in his stall), and a friend bought another 14 y/o approved PSG stallion a few years ago in Germany for about $60,000 - that stallion is now teaching a 50-ish AA about PSG.

The age thing is tricky. People will often take a chance on a schoolmaster in the 14 - 16 year range, but after 16 years, many folks want to back off over concerns about longevity, maintenance costs, etc.

[Carol O]

hTe age thing is tricky. People will often take a chance on a schoolmaster in the 14 - 16 year range, but after 16 years, many folks want to back off over concerns about longevity, maintenance costs, etc.[/QUOTE]


I bought my very sound schoolmaster at age 17 for much less than the quotes above. He is 23 now, and still going strong, and absolutely sound.

[friesian4me]

5 years ago, I paid 24,000 for such a horse. Except it was a gelding and shown to I-1. Could passage too. WELL worth the money and education. I rode and showed him for 3 years and semi retired him to a good friend.

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Just a thought - the 16 year old thing MIGHT be because many insurance companies will limit coverage from that age onward - and if the horse is in the price ranges many have stated here, well, it's quite a gamble to not have them covered in case of colic etc.

[elctrnc]

Is this the horse you have for sale? In one of your sale ads, you say "low level jumping as well as 3rd level school master with some of the 4th level movements," but here you say "solid 4th level and points up to PSG." Which one is it? People might have different opinions on price depending on whether the horse is 3rd level or "solid 4th."

[Gucci Cowgirl]

One of my clients sold a 20 yr old (had 6 yrs off foaling) GP schoolmaster mare, imported, 16.2 HH, perfectly clean x-rays, not even a windpuff to be seen, excellent temperment, breeding sound, wonderful mare for $2500. (bought by another client of mine)

We could have asked way more, but the important thing is that she has an amazing new home.

This mare is fitter, and sounder than most 6 yr olds around here, she is just an incredible mare. I think she is going to show PSG in the fall.

[STF]

Thanks guy.
I did not think about the insurance.
The mare is super and her gaits are stunning.
I think the owner is now going to keep her. We got a superduper repo clinic about an hour from me now that does ET and that may be an option for her.
Anyway, thanks for the advice.

[Dune]

Several years ago, I purchased an imported 17 year old Westfalen mare with great bloodlines (Olympic horses have had same bloodlines), hadgood scores at Grand Prix here in the US, was a pretty color and a good size, not super easy to ride (could be "tough" in the bridle) but was pretty safe for the whopping price tag of around $7500.00. Yep, got to school through the whole GP test and she was mine, all mine. ;)

[STF]

Is this the horse you have for sale? In one of your sale ads, you say "low level jumping as well as 3rd level school master with some of the 4th level movements," but here you say "solid 4th level and points up to PSG." Which one is it? People might have different opinions on price depending on whether the horse is 3rd level or "solid 4th."


We got the mare as a broodmare. We just recently started riding her in the last few months. I was not going say she was 4th when she was not working that. She is just now showing what she can do and we were able to track down her past owner and trainers.
So.... thats that. Plus, she is off the market for now.

[STF]

Several years ago, I purchased an imported 17 year old Westfalen mare with great bloodlines (Olympic horses have had same bloodlines), hadgood scores at Grand Prix here in the US, was a pretty color and a good size, not super easy to ride (could be "tough" in the bridle) but was pretty safe for the whopping price tag of around $7500.00. Yep, got to school through the whole GP test and she was mine, all mine. ;)

I paid alot more than that for my Grand Prix schoolmaster a long time ago and he was 19.

[Sandra6500]

I can't seem to GIVE away my 3rd level gelding and he's just 16. Your market may vary though.

If she decides to put her back on the market I'd still price her at about $10k or so, but getting it in this market is tough.

[STF]

I think right now the plans is to try the superduper new repo vet and hope for the best. She is a NICE mare with super gaits, so Id like to see what he can do. She is going well under saddle right now too.

[Dune]

I paid alot more than that for my Grand Prix schoolmaster a long time ago and he was 19.

Oh believe me, I know I got a good deal! :lol: I was in the right place at the right time, the horse had been for sale for quite a while in the six figures. There was a family tragedy and subsequent bankruptcy. The horse was not being advertised and she was out of work (owner stopped paying the bills) when I got her so I had to get her back in shape, but that worked out just fine. World class piaffe/passage (really! :yes:), canter not-so-good but she could pull it off. She was also not for just "anyone" to ride, maybe I should say she was a GP horse, not so much a "schoolmaster"...but I wouldn't trade the time I had with her for anything.:) As for the original horse listed, I would say not too much until she has scores *again* at 4th/PSG, especially since she can't be bred...although that is a moot point if the owner has decided to keep her.

[STF]

We only had her at 5K due to not being worked, but all the movements where there, just lacked correctness and power. But..... now she is off the market. Were going to try ET with her and go from there. She is really NICE. Walk is super, trot is ok... not great little stiff in the shoulder, but ok and canter is powerful and balanced. I found out recently she was trained for a while by Yvonne Barteau, so that says alot on her past training. I think her trot will get more spring and suppleness with more back muscle and power.

[pinecone]

I can't seem to GIVE away my 3rd level gelding and he's just 16. Your market may vary though.

I've found people seem to shy away from Third Level, assuming it's really a Second Level horse that needs the double bridle. (I'm a trainer, so I know this isn't actually what Third Level is for, but it's a perception I keep encountering in the market so I'm mentioning it.) I'm guessing if you moved him up to Fourth Level you might have a bigger market, as long as he's correct enough not to tank at Fourth. (I don't know the horse, so that's not a personal comment, just a general one.)

[dutchfan]

So what do you guys think is fair for these 2 possibilities I am considering (with a goal to finish my silver medal - I need one more PSG score):

1) 17yo, imported WB, confirmed i-1 horse, former NAYRC YR horse and long show career at CDIs etc, also has 2s, some 1s, little bit pi/pa. Serviceably sound, older suspensory injury that is healed and hasn't been an issue for several years.

2) 17yo,imported WB confirmed 4th level horse, no recent show record, could get through the PSG with more conditioning and work. Has been with a lower/mid level ammy for the past couple of years. Has good halfpass and 4/3 tempis. Waiting to see the pirrs on video before I drive to go see her. Reportedly with no medical issues past or present.

[Phaxxton]

I can't seem to GIVE away my 3rd level gelding and he's just 16. Your market may vary though.


Well, sheesh, if the poor gelding is going to wind up homeless, I'll give him a home. ;):lol::lol::lol:

[vanillabean]

I don't know- I keep seeing this type of horse in the $20,000 range- if they are fit- but who knows what they are actually going for. After 16 and 19 people do not want to spend much money. But the sellers don't want to just give them away either. Someday I'll find one too!

[dutchfan]

I don't know- I keep seeing this type of horse in the $20,000 range- if they are fit- but who knows what they are actually going for. !


Yes - I am looking for experience as to what people actually are selling for. Asking prices I have already!

[STF]

Thing is DutchFan, is that a schoolmaster of that type........ with the right trainer beside them, a rider could excell in their riding in one year, what it would take many yrs to bring a younger horse along (between them figuring it out, learninga and then transfering it to the horse).
I hope you find good homes for yours for someone who can utlize them and learn.

[dutchfan]

Thing is DutchFan, is that a schoolmaster of that type........ with the right trainer beside them, a rider could excell in their riding in one year, what it would take many yrs to bring a younger horse along (between them figuring it out, learninga and then transfering it to the horse).
I hope you find good homes for yours for someone who can utlize them and learn.

ok - last time! I am not selling I am BUYING. I know what the sellers are asking for these horses I am trying to find out what horses like these are actually selling FOR.

[STF]

Ok, no need to get nasty! :( Sorry, I misunderstood.

You can find them from 10K to 50K depending. Good luck on your search.

[dutchfan]

Thanks STF - but that is still too big a range to have it make sense or be particularly helpful. I do see them advertised for 20-30k normally for 17yo horses 4th/psg horses. Trying to find out if this is what they are actually SELLING for? Or are they really selling for 15-20K?

[ToN Farm]

I think the selling price of the older FEI horse depends on how well the horse moves and whether or not he can still be competitive. Most if not all of them will require some maintenance (imo).

A friend of mine sold her 17 year old FEI gelding for 18k. She originally was asking 30k, but wanted a quick sale and sold him to a friend that was providing a good home. This particular horse had years of good scores at I1, including a CDI win. He was a mild roarer and required hock injections more than once a year and regular legend. It's been several years since the sale, and he is still going strong. That's the only older FEI horse I know about with respect to price.

[STF]

It depends on where and who you find them from. Avg a aged sound(ish) upper level FEI schoolmaster will be 20K. Sometimes you can find them cheaper if you get "personal reason sales", etc. Or like us, who got a broodmare who were were told was not sound 100% when we got her and then later to find out there was no issues at all in her and we almost GAVE her away for nothing. :lol: