Arabian mares for WB breeding - PHOTOS so as not to hijack Angela's thread

[ancientoaks]

TO answer the question posted on the High Point Hanovarian's thread,

here are some of our present and past mares chosen for WB crosses...some of their offspring can be seen on www.ancientoakssporthorse.com

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/ancientoaks/nitzytrotcorner.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/ancientoaks/angelinajanelcroptrotJPG.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/ancientoaks/chinadollstanddownJPG.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/ancientoaks/roxannefullsporthorsetrot.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/ancientoaks/chinadollinspectionpic.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/ancientoaks/chinadollhighdrivetrotcrop.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/ancientoaks/chinadollwbabylookrightflowersnice.jpg





Results of some of the above

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/ancientoaks/greatneckleftwbodynocropxxxAD.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/ancientoaks/maestro2wktrotPUSHAAD.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/ancientoaks/IRONSTONEmactrotresize.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/ancientoaks/ironstonejumping1408.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/ancientoaks/ironstonemac907sideviewperfxxxxx.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/ancientoaks/impmacextendneckcropxxxx.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/ancientoaks/impmactrotleftuphillxx-1.jpg

[Sakura]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/ancientoaks/impmacextendneckcropxxxx.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/ancientoaks/impmactrotleftuphillxx-1.jpg

Oh my goodness... who is this beauty?!? :eek:

[ancientoaks]

Oh my goodness... who is this beauty?!? :eek:

one of our favorites..w.c Impetuous, was a long weanling in those photos...out of our Trakehner mare, and by our arabian stallion....basically By Texas and out of Trailer (as in nobodies) but she is lovely, exquisitely so, and has a temperament to match....a classic example of a successful arab/warmblood cross....I realize she doesn't exactly (arab stallion, not arab mare parent ) 'fit' the question posted on the High Point Hanoverian thread, for 'arab' mares, but thought she deserved a little attention as to how this blending can work beautifully!

[Dressage_Diva333]

Beautiful mares!!

I have one mare, who is an Arabian, that I bred to a WB stallion in 2006 for an '07 foal. I was very pleased with the result, and see a lot of similiarities between her and some of your girls. She is in foal my Welsh for next year, but I am thinking of breeding her to a small WB or a GRP next year :) I really like the Arabian influence when it turns out right.

[ancientoaks]

Beautiful mares!!

I have one mare, who is an Arabian, that I bred to a WB stallion in 2006 for an '07 foal. I was very pleased with the result, and see a lot of similiarities between her and some of your girls. She is in foal my Welsh for next year, but I am thinking of breeding her to a small WB or a GRP next year :) I really like the Arabian influence when it turns out right.


hope so more arab/wb breeders will post some photos as requested on the other thread...believe it was Yankee who asked??

[staceyk]

This is a curiosity question-- don't arabs have one less rib than other breeds? Can you predict whether a foal will have that extra rib? Does this rib have anything to do with the length of back practically speaking?

[Lyss]

This Arabian mare gave me three outstanding foals by warmblood stallions. Unfortunately the first filly by a Hanoverian stallion was lost, but I now have her second daughter, by a Trakehner stallion, who in turn has given me an outstanding filly by an Oldenburg stallion. This mare, after years off for broodmare duties, also came back to show respectably in open dressage shows - she had an amazing trot and a canter to die for and always gave 110%. - she was sensitive but utterly dependable, especially at a show.

Madam - primarily Polish bred - these are photos of her as an aged mare both in competition and as a broodmare - she had a great topline:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/avondayfarm/sets/72157600640806695/

Maurizio - her first colt by a Trakehner stallion - absolutely wonderful temperament and easiest horse to start and handle:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/avondayfarm/sets/72157600641234420/

Mimosa AF - Her filly by another Trakehner stallion, whom I've retained and have as both my riding and breeding mare - super work ethic, very loyal and intuitive (just like her dam), bold and uncomplicated to ride - she wants to do her job - she is currently in foal to NF Cardi for 2009:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/avondayfarm/sets/72157600641234022/

Rowan AF "Lucy" The granddaughter of Madam, out of my Trak/Arab, by the Oldenburg stallion, Rosario. Lucy was suppose to be by another Oldenburg stallion, a D line stallion, but there was a "little" mix up at the vet office during insemination! However, it turned out to be a fortunate mistake as Lucy is outstanding - earned a premium award at her GOV inspection and just lovely in all aspects - beautiful movement and balance and that same devoted puppy dog temperament of her dam and granddam

http://www.flickr.com/photos/avondayfarm/sets/72157600641234290/

In both her offspring and in her grand daughter, there are characteristics, as far as the her eye, her top line, neck set that Madam has passed on - as well has her ride all day canter and drive from behind trot. They all have that same light, intuitive feel to handle as she did and very focused on their "people".

[Dressage_Diva333]

I really need to get some updated pictures of the filly....


Anways, here are some pictures of my girl, Gracie.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/arabian_dreams/graciestand2-1-1.gif

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/arabian_dreams/Gracietrot2-1.gif

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/arabian_dreams/April22007050.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/arabian_dreams/4-25-07381.jpg

[Donella]

Lovely mares!. I have such a soft spot for those arabs..and probably always will. So how hard is it to get them approved with GOV??

I have an older Varian bred Desperado V daughter who is the full sister to Wyoming Bey V http://www.santaritaarabians.com/wyoming.html and is essentially his twin except she is bay with four whites. I am just picturing a Rosenthal or Sinatra Song from her. OMG, someone stop me!:D

[Delkredere]

My Arabian mare "SES Hailey":
http://www.goldenventurefarm.com/Hailey/haileytrotinsp1.jpg
http://goldenventurefarm.com/Hailey/HaileyMay055.jpg
http://goldenventurefarm.com/Hailey/haileyheadinsp2.jpg

Some of her offspring:

"Sandro Reuben" 08' colt by San Rubin:
http://www.goldenventurefarm.com/SandroReubenGVF.htm

"Saint Sandro" 07' colt by Stedinger:
http://www.goldenventurefarm.com/SaintSandroGVF.htm

"Mazarrati" 06' colt by Maxamillion:
http://www.goldenventurefarm.com/MazarratiIzabela7.jpg
Scroll down to Mazarrati: http://www.goldenventurefarm.com/1GVFDevon.htm
http://www.goldenventurefarm.com/mazphotos1.htm

"Miracle" 05' filly by Maxamillion:
http://goldenventurefarm.com/Mira/100_1747a.jpg

"Marigold" 04' filly R.I.P. by Maxamillion:
http://goldenventurefarm.com/Hailey/Maritrot.jpg

"Meagamillion" 03 colt by Maxamillion:
http://goldenventurefarm.com/Meaga/MtrotNov04ES.jpg

[YankeeLawyer]

Delkredere, I think you might have met my assistant at a show recently; she was raving about a Stedinger baby out of an arab mare (she has a Rascalino on the way out of her arab mare and I have a Stedinger coming out of a WB mare hence her interest). Anyway, if it was you, she was very excited about your program.

[DownYonder]

Lovely mares and foals! Congrats to all!

[clint]

This is a curiosity question-- don't arabs have one less rib than other breeds? Can you predict whether a foal will have that extra rib? Does this rib have anything to do with the length of back practically speaking?

I have read from a couple of different sources, one of them a woman who did extensive research on Arabians, that that is a myth. Some Arabs do have one less rib, but it isn't a given, and many of them have the same number of ribs as any other breed.

[grayfox]

Beautiful horses everyone. AncientOaks, I have always admired your horses. Just stunning.

[ancientoaks]

Lovely mares!. I have such a soft spot for those arabs..and probably always will. So how hard is it to get them approved with GOV??

I have an older Varian bred Desperado V daughter who is the full sister to Wyoming Bey V http://www.santaritaarabians.com/wyoming.html and is essentially his twin except she is bay with four whites. I am just picturing a Rosenthal or Sinatra Song from her. OMG, someone stop me!:D

Greyfox, THANK YOU! it's always nice to hear appreciation...Right now is the best time in our lives with our horses, we are so enjoying our couple of babies a year and introducing others to the joys of being owned by one with arabian blood..

'Hard' to get approved."....is a hard question to answer. Look at your mares from a truly performance standpoint (better yet get another opinion)...
We were concerned and yet we felt we got fair treatment.Our mare was approved and her first foal went Premium.
You WILL get a detailed score and evaluation. Movement is so important, and the conformation to predict good movement is a must. Type is good, as the old argument that WB inspectors don't 'know' arabian type is just junk. Of COURSE they do! Good bone, good size (altho there are exceptions , RARE exceptions to the size guidelines..Tobruk Farm has an awesome bay mare who produces incredible PREMIUM GOV foals and she's not large at all but her babies prove her value)
I believe from listening to others, the inspectors are quite understanding about aged mares, less than perfect due to lots of babies, or an injury that is obvious hindering movement. It's the 'bones' of the horse that must be good, I think..It doesn't hurt to try!
I know many disagree but we feel it's important with bringing an arab mare that she have a WB foal at her side, so that one can demonstrate her value in the crossing..We think it really helps..others may have found otherwise.
It's really no 'harder' than doing well at a good horse show..A good horse will be appreciated and rewarded. at least that is what we found.

And it's an 'one less' vertabrae (which I guess means one less rib, eh?) ....and we've heard from some experts that this is a wives' tail, that some arabians are short one, others are just like other breeds...
Most arabs, good ones, are known for their short, strong backs, so to us they are a good cross on often longer backed WB stallions...but like anything, pick your mates carefully.. there are some awfully fine WB stallions out there and with the good arab mares, as you can see, the results are incredible..

all those photos of mares and offspring are so encouraging, they are so beautiful and expressive...great examples of all that is good about arabian blood.
kudos and thanks to all of you for such great programs..and for years, 'they' said it couldn't be done...

When McAdoo's Rosebony mare got a 3rd at the Cosequin CHAMPIONSHIPS in Fla against a huge group of top quality WB's , she made a statement. There IS a place for arabian warmblood crosses..

[Cold Spring Farm]

This is my mare....she is GOV MMB and is by NV Beau Bey (Bey Shah x Bint Miss Fire) and out of a Huckleberry Bey daughter who in turn is out of an *Eter daughter.

When I decided (after years of WBs) that I really needed to get an Arab again, I searched, and searched and searched.....and had a HECK of a time finding one with a really good canter. Personally, I think that is one of the biggest weaknesses in the breed, and unfortunately something that is not evaluated at inspection. So, it is up to the owner/breeder to make sure it is part of the mare they are using.

I liked this mare and her sire (NV Beau Bey) so much that I used him on my superb Hanoverian mare, and got the half-arab colt of my dreams last month. (Now, I just have to figure out how to downsize the photos so I can post pictures of the little hellion!)

I have a Rosenthal gelding from the aforementioned Arab mare who is just blossoming and, true to Angela's word -- at age three has suddenly grown a really fabulous trot. (The canter was always in place!)

I saw the Stedinger colt at the VAHA show lat month...lovely boy!! And Donella, I stumbled across your website some time ago. Your stallion is lovely!!

Anyhow, here are a few shots of my GOV MMB Arab mare......
http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=21817&stc=1&d=1216583186
http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=21818&stc=1&d=1216583201
http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=21819&stc=1&d=1216583211

[Donella]

Thanks for the info Ancient oaks. I am seriously thinking of trying this. The mare mentioned is very good in movement, beautiful (typical Varian ) type, polish...so bigger bone ect. She is too long in the back though with a weakish loin...so, I am not sure how that will go over and if I can breed that out of her.

Cold Spring...
that is actually not my website nor my stallion. I own the full sister to that stallion...and it is her I am thinking of breeding.:)

[grayarabpony]

Cold Spring Farm your mare looks lovely but the pictures are tiny.

[YankeeLawyer]

I know many disagree but we feel it's important with bringing an arab mare that she have a WB foal at her side, so that one can demonstrate her value in the crossing..We think it really helps..

That has been my impression as well; I have been trying to convince my friend with the Rascalino on the way to wait to present the mare with the foal at her side. I am pretty certain it is going to be a very nice cross.

[ancientoaks]

Thanks for the info Ancient oaks. I am seriously thinking of trying this. The mare mentioned is very good in movement, beautiful (typical Varian ) type, polish...so bigger bone ect. She is too long in the back though with a weakish loin...so, I am not sure how that will go over and if I can breed that out of her.

Cold Spring...
that is actually not my website nor my stallion. I own the full sister to that stallion...and it is her I am thinking of breeding.:)

DeLaurentis, Mannhattan, Ironman have provent to us that they compliment and/or shorten an arab's long back (a bit unusual in arabs, but it IS out there)...are you SURE your mare is long ? we have found some so labeled are sometimes misjudged ..depends on where you 'start' your measurement at the wither and where you 'end ' it with your eye at the croup...I do think some Varian breds tend to be a tad long but not overly so...

[Donella]

Ancient, I suppose it is not terribly long, but the weakish loin makes it appear this way. She had back problems as a performance mare..but then she was an english pleasure mare and they are always worked so hollow, so I doubt that helped. Quite an athletic mare though. She has had one foal and he is currently trying to qualify for the endurance team for WEG ..very athletic as well but also has a bit of a weakish loin. I would need to breed her to something VERY dominant.

[Dazednconfused]

but then she was an english pleasure mare and they are always worked so hollow, so I doubt that helped.

Good ones certainly are not. I would much more likely attribute this to her Huck breeding.

[Donella]

Well I beg to differ..I showed for many years in the arabian circuit and that is how they are made to move. No EP trainer I have ever seen knew how to ride the horses low to build the back up. From the time they are two or three they are ridden "up" and in frame. I know you will dissagree with me because that is what you like to do.

Anyways, I am not saying she was a stellar EP horse, she won some regional championship with Mike Whelihan. They sold he because she wasn't going to go any further in that discipline. I am also not saying her training was the sole reason for the back..it is not her strong point to begin with.

[horse chick]

There was a really nice chestnut Arabian mare, Bunny Bey, bred to Wonderful (Weltmeyer x Bolero) years ago.