Would you still breed to a stallion if

[Horsecrazy27]

Say you saw this stallion out at shows and he was quiet and kind, then at home several times, very calm and quiet and then at an inspection at his home (mare motel) and he was HOT in his stall. He was pacing back and forth and in a lather. Mares were getting close and they were all new to the place. He was moved and was a total gentleman while moved, but just wondering what you all would do.

[Dressage_Diva333]

Yep, I would.


The boys sometimes just can't control themselves when there are exciting new girls aroung :)

[Sebastian]

Dude... He's a stallion. Cut him some slack. :winkgrin:

Seb :)

[tri]

If this kind of thing bothers you and you knew how many of the famous, historical warmblood stallions of europe really were, you would never breed. Ferro, for example, was known to be an absolute lion in his stall, very territorial and a lot of caution used when entering his stall.

[Bugs-n-Frodo]

Dude... He's a stallion. Cut him some slack. :winkgrin:


My senitments exactly! :yes:

[Rhyadawn]

Dude... He's a stallion. Cut him some slack. :winkgrin:


With all respect, you may not know the whole situation. And some stallions are just more worked up in their stalls, they get territorial in "their" space, or he may just have been having an off day.

If I knew him to be an irritable or agressive stallion then I would definitly think twice, but this doesn't seem to the case.

[Daydream Believer]

Many stallions are tense at home...they are "on duty" and they know it. Those same stallions can go to a show or somewhere away from the mares and be pussycats and completely gelding like. I know...I have one like that. Certainly if the stallion was dangerous to handle or a raging nut at home, that might bother me...but tense around new mares and anxious is completely normal for many good stallions.

[Sebastian]

With all respect, you may not know the whole situation. And some stallions are just more worked up in their stalls, they get territorial in "their" space, or he may just have been having an off day.

If I knew him to be an irritable or agressive stallion then I would definitly think twice, but this doesn't seem to the case.

Exactly. And, my response was based on the information provided by the OP. Most stallions can get worked up in "their space" under the circumstances described, and IMHO, that is not grounds for passing on said stallion.

Seb :)

[pintopiaffe]

Inspections are *especially* difficult, because there are mares, foals and other stallions.

My guy had his worst outing of his life at his AWS inspection. I'd brought his 'wife' & their foal, who were stabled. He was doing his usual live-on-the-trailer thing. There were three other young stallions. It was a MESS. He behaved, but was SO tense, and calling and just SO WORRIED ABOUT HIS MARE and those vile other MEN! He was .02 away from getting his approval for breeding. :sigh:

And don't forget, "at home" is where he breeds, and as mentioned, rules the roost. Huge dynamics going on.

If he was so obnoxious that it worried me, I would make an appointment to meet him on another day and see how he was at home without all the extra commotion.

[goodpony]

I'd be suspicious if he never acted like a stallion.....might be a dud.

[fivesocks]

Off topic, but I have a mare like that!
She is very territorial (err, she just gets worked up and worried that her girlfriends might run off and leave her for a man???) when new horses (esp ones that are also tense) come to her farm, but she's miss manners when around new horses if they are not at her home. I recently diagnosed her with social anxiety disorder ;)

[Dazednconfused]

It would depend on what his babies were like. Honestly, it doesn't matter that much what dad is like, if the babies are uniformly cool and calm in new places (or old, for that matter). Also depends on the circumstances and his motivation - if they are in a new place, near mares, it's breeding season, etc etc - it wouldn't be unreasonable. It would also depend on how quickly he settled down and how he responded to correction. I like easy going horses (regardless of gender) - obnoxious ones that stall walk, kick, and carry on incessantly for no real reason are not my type. Note I say incessantly and no reason.

[Equine Reproduction]

Say you saw this stallion out at shows and he was quiet and kind, then at home several times, very calm and quiet and then at an inspection at his home (mare motel) and he was HOT in his stall. He was pacing back and forth and in a lather. Mares were getting close and they were all new to the place. He was moved and was a total gentleman while moved, but just wondering what you all would do.

In a heartbeat. Expecting him to be calm, cool and collected at all times is unrealistic and unfair. As others have noted, I'd be suspicious of a stallion that never exhibited stallion like behavior! The fact that he is well behaved and manageable when moved speaks volumes.

Kathy St.Martin
Equine Reproduction Short Courses
http://www.euqine-reproduction.com

[Fairview Horse Center]

Inspections are a whole 'nutha cup of tea. We use to run shows here, and the stallions were fine with all of the strange horses, so I was quite surprised to find them really up when we did our first inspection. It is just a different atmosphere with the mares, foals, and other stallions on their turf.

[showjumpers66]

Absolutely! Boys will be boys and this is perfectly normal behavior for a stallion to be interested in new girls. Of course, some stallions handle this better than others.

[sid]

Stallions can become supremely territorial when on their home turf...and they act out when new horses arrive on that turf. Often when off their own territory they are pussycats for the very reason that they are not in their "own", established territory.

I wouldn't let what you've seen stop you from breeding to him. Remember, your foal isn't going to act like a stallion unless you keep in a stallion.

What you've witnessed is the difference between "temperament" and "stallion behavior"...two totally different things in the same uncut male horse.

[coriander]

That wouldn't bother me a bit. He was a gentleman when out and about. At home, what he does on his own time is his business.:lol: Seriously, though, it sounds like he was just acting the way stallions often act when new mares come to their turf. As Kathy noted, it's unfair to expect calm, cool and collected at every moment, and quite unrealistic.

[Jesse'sMom]

of course you should. Keep in mind this is an inspection hormones are flying moms protecting foals, and mares for sure in heat & nice new fresh girlie smells all over...He's a boy-
Its like a guy ,most men are perfectly normal in their own home, *but* add some playboy bunnies to swim in the pool...different guy lol::lol:

[STF]

Yes! :lol; :lol:
He is a boy with hormones. Someone might have whispered sweet nothings to him as they lead him to his stall and he caught a "wiff" of well........ stuff, and fried his itty bitty brain for a short period! :lol:
He is a stallion Tanya and you cant blame them for being stupid some days.

[STF]

of course you should. Keep in mind this is an inspection hormones are flying moms protecting foals, and mares for sure in heat & nice new fresh girlie smells all over...He's a boy-
Its like a guy ,most men are perfectly normal in their own home, *but* add some playboy bunnies to swim in the pool...different guy lol::lol:


Exactly!!!
Puerto (our stallion) is super quiet in the fall. I could put kids on him them, but breeding season comes and he turns into horney idiot for a while. But...... its to be expected.

[Altamont Sport Horses]

Completely normal for a stallion to act like this with new girls on the property...and even geldings until he can figure out that they *aren't* girls. ;) I would expect that kind of behavior and would be glad to see he wasn't unmanageable even in a high stress situation like that. Really, if he doesn't have the hormones to make him act like that I would wonder about his libido and possibly semen quality even though I don't know for sure whether or not (or how much) testosterone effects their sperm production.

[Mia412]

of course you should. Keep in mind this is an inspection hormones are flying moms protecting foals, and mares for sure in heat & nice new fresh girlie smells all over...He's a boy-
Its like a guy ,most men are perfectly normal in their own home, *but* add some playboy bunnies to swim in the pool...different guy lol::lol:

I had to laugh when I read this - great visual! I was thinking the stallion probably felt like a man who had a truckload of Budwiser girls show up in his back yard.

Personally, I think I'd be impressed that despite the exciting situation he was a good boy when they moved him to another area.

[Horsecrazy27]

I was thinking along the same lines, but the other people there, were not. Just wanted to get a broader view. :)