This horse needs to come home to ME!

[STF]

Me want.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ3HIUmV5yE&feature=related

[fizzyfuzzybuzzy]

YOWZA!! That is one HOT horse! You think he costs a gazzilion dollars? :( And does that rider's seat and legs come with him????

[TeddyRocks]

Me want.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ3HIUmV5yE&feature=related

And when you decide he is not really what you 'want', you can send him to me...

:eek::eek::eek:
:D
WOW... Who is that horse and rider??? Love them... Wish I could understand the instructor. Can anyone translate. It has to be all praises... :yes:

[Ambrey]

He needs bigger hooves and hairier fetlocks.

:winkgrin:

[STF]

He needs bigger hooves and hairier fetlocks.

:winkgrin:


Your so onery! :lol::lol::lol:
Im anti hair. Send me one with fuzzy feet, and Im shaving em!!!
:winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin:

[Ambrey]

Your so onery! :lol::lol::lol:
Im anti hair. Send me one with fuzzy feet, and Im shaving em!!!
:winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin:

You and Lewin would be fast friends. She frequently threatens to shave my horses while I'm away. And she owns a Percheron!

[STF]

Yrs ago, there was a guy that was into competetive driving, that brought a huge Prech gelding into the barn for a month on his way to Houston. The horse had AWESOME movement. He was really stiff in the back, but otherwise he ROCKED in his gaits. I think he was full Perch, but not sure. I use to sit and watch him work and was awed at how he could use himself.

[Donella]

Stunning! My Londonderry filly from this year is similiarly bred...from a Rosentau (Rubenstien) dam. I think this is a nice way to cross Londonderry.

[STF]

Stunning! My Londonderry filly from this year is similiarly bred...from a Rosentau (Rubenstien) dam. I think this is a nice way to cross Londonderry.

Yeah, remember when I asked about that on another thread? I do think that is a great cross. I cant wait to see yours in a few yrs.

[Joanne]

Wow. Thanks for sharing that video!!! Any idea who the farm is?

[STF]

:(
Germany, I think it said.
The Euro sucks and importing is even more expensive now than a year ago.
:(

[Joanne]

Yes, he is in Germany according to the information, but I was wondering exactly where. Edited to add that the profile says United States for the poster, so someone here with connections in Germany.

[Ambrey]

Yrs ago, there was a guy that was into competetive driving, that brought a huge Prech gelding into the barn for a month on his way to Houston. The horse had AWESOME movement. He was really stiff in the back, but otherwise he ROCKED in his gaits. I think he was full Perch, but not sure. I use to sit and watch him work and was awed at how he could use himself.

But the question is, did you sneak into his stall and clip his feathers in the night?

If not, you're not a true hair hater.

I saw someone body clip a Friesian once and leave the feathers. That was odd.

[Joanne]

STF: Check your private messages.

[Sonesta]

Ah, come on, STF, Dream can do that!

[graystonefarm]

I hope I'm not barn blind, but his gaits and conformation remind me of my Samarant/Donnerschwee.

[STF]

Ah, come on, STF, Dream can do that!

Im going to get a new video of her tomorrow. I will share it here. I think your going to be super happy how she is developed.
:winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin:

[eks]

Wow that is a great looking horse and a beautiful rider...

[Elegante E]

Truly drool worthy. I wonder why it says "ladies" horse when it's 17H. Is that their way of saying he's safe and not a nut job?

[STF]

When I hear that, I think of elegant and pretty = ladies horse and also easy to ride and work with.
But........ I guess those owners dont know some of the "ladies" we are in the states! LMAO

[Donella]

Yeah, remember when I asked about that on another thread? I do think that is a great cross. I cant wait to see yours in a few yrs

Oh...was it on UDBB?? I do remember that. Thanks for the compliment btw, I am pretty excited about our "lily" as well:). Incredible mind on her and her full sibling. Really, really easy horses. I think this is a trait that Londonderry is throwing??

Ambrey, we body clip our friesians all the time. The mare I ride always gets this crazy long coat, even in the middle of the summer so she gets clipped about an average or four times a year. Here is a pic of her about two weeks after a fresh clip... if you know how to use the clippers well it works out fine:
http://www.spruceviewfarms.com/main/wp-content/uploads/graphics/geiska1.jpg

[Phyxius]

That horse is named London Eye.
http://www.oldenburger-pferde.com/media/DE%20433330443302/66_Elite_2007_Kat_46.jpg

25.500€

[swgarasu]

Wow, lovely vid. I want to ride like that.

[Home Again Farm]

I have another week to wait to find out if my Rubinstein are is in foal to Londonderry. Yikes...

[STF]

I have another week to wait to find out if my Rubinstein are is in foal to Londonderry. Yikes...


Crossing fingers for ya!

[glfprncs]

While I have to concur with all of you that the horse is incredibly lovely, I know that I would probably just flounder around up there in the saddle with gaits that are that expressive.

What I would trade my first born for (this coming from someone without children who probably will never have children) is the short waist and long-leggedness of the rider. My goodness, she's got a lovely shape for sitting astride a horse. Riders like that always remind me of daddy long-legs. Little body, long a** legs to wrap around a horse. It seriously has got to make riding a horse SO much easier (this coming from the long torso, short-legged disposition).

[Donella]

I have another week to wait to find out if my Rubinstein are is in foal to Londonderry. Yikes...

:) That is going to be one NICE foal!

[swgarasu]

While I have to concur with all of you that the horse is incredibly lovely, I know that I would probably just flounder around up there in the saddle with gaits that are that expressive.

What I would trade my first born for (this coming from someone without children who probably will never have children) is the short waist and long-leggedness of the rider. My goodness, she's got a lovely shape for sitting astride a horse. Riders like that always remind me of daddy long-legs. Little body, long a** legs to wrap around a horse. It seriously has got to make riding a horse SO much easier (this coming from the long torso, short-legged disposition).

I have the world's shortest waist- my chest sits right on top of my hips- and long legs (I am just 5'7" and my heels can hang below the belly of a not skinny 16H horse), and I don't ride like that. I WANT to, but it's not a given with that conformation. :)

[grayarabpony]

He's a beautiful horse but I'd like to see more activity from the back legs -- he's having some trouble with the lengthenings because he's too much on his forehand.

[arnika]

Oh, I don't know. I'd take him.:winkgrin: He is a pretty massive guy but a lovely one. I have to admit, I looked at the "02 Cordoba x Falkland from the same you tuber and I like him better. But either one would be fine with me.:yes:

I'm looking forward to seeing yours Mary Lou.

[Home Again Farm]

I think a lot of us would not mind having that one in the barn! :yes:

Can't count my zygotes before they arrive, so for now all I can do is try not to think about next weeks pregnancy check. Have not tried frozen with Rubi in quite a while. :eek:

[STF]

Sending you all the luck in the world for that nice cross! :)

[spotted mustang]

I have the world's shortest waist- my chest sits right on top of my hips- and long legs (I am just 5'7" and my heels can hang below the belly of a not skinny 16H horse), and I don't ride like that. I WANT to, but it's not a given with that conformation. :)

me too. Very short waist, longish legs - my nipples are lower than my belly button - but I'll never look that elegant. My thighs are too big and my boobs bounce. I saw a video of myself riding once, and it was depressing

This lady is a beautiful rider :)

[jumpingpercheron]

Wow, what a nice horse. I'd LOVE to just have one ride on him! Nice video!

[Kuschel]

Incredible horse (and rider). The other videos of youngters are also incredible. Has anyone figured out what the website is for these horses?

[slc2]

it sounds like STF is shopping again......

[STF]

it sounds like STF is shopping again......

No, no! :lol::lol:
I do need a yearling prospect to start after Ghiri sells. I dont have a 2007 to bring a long. I like to keep one every yr to start under saddle and bring along for sale.
But............

[BaroquePony]

I think the horse is very nice, and so is the rider. Very high caliber pair that look like they fit together quite well. Pleasing picture.

I love that this rider has a good seat and her legs are strong and well under her hip with her weight absolutely going down through her heels. Her legs are on her horse in a very strong, subtle and steady manner. They are "wrapped" around with the weight being evenly distributed from her hips through to her heels. I would like to see just a bit more suppleness in her ankles so that she can use her beautiful leg postion to the best advantage in asking her horse to actively use each respective hind leg within each stride.

That would "clean up" the few areas where things got sticky and there was a loss of rythym in the passage. She seemed to fall back on her hands.

I do not think this was a lack of coordination on this rider's part, but that she may be getting tense and stiff in her shoulders from concentrating on everything.

Although she is moving well with her horse, she seems to be a little stiff through her spine and her shoulders are a bit hunched over (rounded) and she kept looking down at her horse.

This is making her upper body stiffer than it needs to be. She needs to relax through the spine just a bit more and allow for the "connection" to come through her lower back into her hands.

She should bring her shoulders up and back and loosen them up and look straight forward to where she is going. Also called "opening up her chest".

If she loosens up her ankles and her shoulders and asks her horse to work a little bit more using her ankles to ask for more precise rythym, this horse would then work more easily from behind and become even more actively engaged, lightening up the forhand and then we would be seeing an absolutely perfect ride.

Complete harmony between horse and rider.

One of the things that I really like here is that although this rider is very good, she is not riding movements and exercises that are overly complicated and could end up with a loss of rythym and correctness. She is sticking with perfecting the vary basic gaits and establishing a great foundation in consistency and rythym and unity with her horse.

Very nice pair.

[Winninggaits]

I posted the video of the Londonderry x Rubinstein gelding on youtube. I haven't got my websiteup yet, but it is on its way.

Thank you all for the lovely compliments on horse, rider and video. Both horse and rider are very kind and make a wonderful pair.

[Joanne]

Welcome!!!!

[slc2]

i feel it's a bit of a stretch to criticize this rider for being too stiff - she's dealing with a great big moving horse. if she was looser, some would say she 'lacked strength in her core', LOL.

it's a very nice pair. no nitpicking from this little encampment.

[Winninggaits]

Thanks, Joanne!

[STF]

I love him!!! I want him. Oh wait, I cant afford him........ :lol:

[Pommederue]

I think the horse is very nice, and so is the rider. Very high caliber pair that look like they fit together quite well. Pleasing picture.

I love that this rider has a good seat and her legs are strong and well under her hip with her weight absolutely going down through her heels. Her legs are on her horse in a very strong, subtle and steady manner. They are "wrapped" around with the weight being evenly distributed from her hips through to her heels. I would like to see just a bit more suppleness in her ankles so that she can use her beautiful leg postion to the best advantage in asking her horse to actively use each respective hind leg within each stride.

That would "clean up" the few areas where things got sticky and there was a loss of rythym in the passage. She seemed to fall back on her hands.

I do not think this was a lack of coordination on this rider's part, but that she may be getting tense and stiff in her shoulders from concentrating on everything.

Although she is moving well with her horse, she seems to be a little stiff through her spine and her shoulders are a bit hunched over (rounded) and she kept looking down at her horse.

This is making her upper body stiffer than it needs to be. She needs to relax through the spine just a bit more and allow for the "connection" to come through her lower back into her hands.

She should bring her shoulders up and back and loosen them up and look straight forward to where she is going. Also called "opening up her chest".

If she loosens up her ankles and her shoulders and asks her horse to work a little bit more using her ankles to ask for more precise rythym, this horse would then work more easily from behind and become even more actively engaged, lightening up the forhand and then we would be seeing an absolutely perfect ride.

Complete harmony between horse and rider.

One of the things that I really like here is that although this rider is very good, she is not riding movements and exercises that are overly complicated and could end up with a loss of rythym and correctness. She is sticking with perfecting the vary basic gaits and establishing a great foundation in consistency and rythym and unity with her horse.

Very nice pair.

Why are you critiquing the rider?

[BaroquePony]

Pommererdue,

That's a fair question.

I did it because I felt like doing it. I thought it was an exceptionally nice combination of horse and rider, and the rider is a great example of what other riders can look up to, and a beautiful example of a very kind and considerate rider who apparently treats her horse as a partner.

It is the first video tape that I have noticed that was taken where it was possible to really see what the horse and rider combination were doing with better clarity than many that have been posted on this BB.

Since I have not seen much in the way of examples of the type of horsemanship and riding that I like, either at the shows in the US or on the BB boards, I actually wanted to point out that I thought it was a wonderful video and horse rider combination.

However, if I had only stated that it was wonderful, then I felt that some of the BB readers who are interested in better understanding of correct riding might mistake that to mean that I thought everything was "perfect". In the spirit of better riding for all, including myself, I decided to evaluate the combination.

I felt like putting up my entire opinion, right or wrong as it may be.

[Winninggaits]

I agree, BaroquePony, that it's ok, and often constructive for others, to post your opinion. We all have different tastes and experiences that others could possibly learn from.

I personally like the horse very much and no one can deny that the rider does her job well and is working with the horse every step. This video shows a lovely horse and rider combination and it actually shows a horse doing something rather than a few 5 second clips here and there of a horse's basic gaits under saddle. The horse is big and black and well bred, has well above average gaits and is quite advanced in his training for a 6 year old. However, this horse isn't THAT super. Notice if you will that he doesn't have the best hind end - he isn't stepping under himself as far as I'd like to see at the trot. Also, his rider is keeping him in rhythm - he may not have the natural cadence that some horses are born with. Take this horse for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwjHx_Djb1g

I think people - professionals, amateurs even judges - are far too easily impressed by a pretty color and lovely exterior.

[IrishDeclan]

Hold on.... I'm wiping the drool off my keyboard!! That is a FANCY looking horse, and what I wouldn't give to have my guy move like that!!

[TeddyRocks]

drool drool drool.

I want one... But I don't think I would be able to ride something that nice...

[BaroquePony]

Winninggaits, I like that young horse a lot. He has a lot of suspension, elasticity of gait and what I call, "float". A horse like that looks like they defy the laws of gravity when they are trained properly. Power and grace to the enth degree. I am not going to ask how much he is going for. I don't want to know. A little goosey on occasion!

I do very much appreciate that you posted the video of the young horse. He is outstanding.

How much throughbred blood is in that horse? Or what hot blood of another source? I apologize for not being up on all of the recent breeding.

I also have another question about him ... would he make a good trail horse in hilly semi-difficult terrain. Said another way, could he be a good long distance horse in hilly country if he were conditioned properly for it? I know he is a bit hot, but would he do well with a challenge like that. Would he enjoy the challenge and be careful on his feet?

I know that is a very strange question to ask about a very high caliber horse. Just curious abut the overall tempermant and range.

I always enjoy meeting people who understand the sophisticated art of dressage.

It is unfortunate that your statement is so true.

Originally posted by Winninggaits:

I think people - professionals, amateurs even judges - are far too easily impressed by a pretty color and lovely exterior.

[Winninggaits]

Here papa's pedigree: http: //www.allbreedpedigree.com/romanov4
And here the mare's sire: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/weltgeist

He hasn't got a lot of thoroughbred blood in him, he is simply very modern. Also, he isn't difficult to ride. He was "sold" to a woman who is a very pretty and careful rider and she felt very comfortable on him - he has great balance is and very sane for 3 years old. Sadly, in the end her sponsor couldn't gather the money.

I don't know how such a horse would do on a long trail ride over difficult terrain. I'm sure if one were to take him on a hack for an hour he'd be fine - Germans also ride their horses on trails as a nice change of pace forthe horses. However, he isn't breed for jumping or cross country and although he may jump nicely it was be a waste of otstanding dressage quality. I really think this horse has a big future ahead of him.

[slc2]

would he make a good trail horse in hilly semi-difficult terrain. Said another way, could he be a good long distance horse in hilly country if he were conditioned properly for it? I know he is a bit hot, but would he do well with a challenge like that. Would he enjoy the challenge and be careful on his feet?

-- Most dressage horses get taken outdoors and worked on hills or galloped or hacked to improve their fitness, but to 'make a good trail horse' out of a very expensive, purpose bred dressage horse, with the round cadenced gaits fo0r dressage, where they want something totally different for endurance...yeah it's a strange question.

I know that is a very strange question to ask about a very high caliber horse. Just curious abut the overall tempermant and range.

-- I don't think that's really why you ask the question at all. Not one bit.

I always enjoy meeting people who understand the sophisticated art of dressage.

-- Only those who are as negative as you and as critical 'understand the art of dressage'?

"Carried away with a pretty color"

-- Maybe others aren't actually carried away with a pretty color. Maybe they just don't like to be THAT negative and critical.

[egontoast]

I also have another question about him ... would he make a good trail horse in hilly semi-difficult terrain. Said another way, could he be a good long distance horse in hilly country if he were conditioned properly for it? I know he is a bit hot, but would he do well with a challenge like that. Would he enjoy the challenge and be careful on his feet?



yeah, Ok, whatever, but can he barrel race at all? How is he on a cow?

[STF]

I also have another question about him ... would he make a good trail horse in hilly semi-difficult terrain. Said another way, could he be a good long distance horse in hilly country if he were conditioned properly for it? I know he is a bit hot, but would he do well with a challenge like that. Would he enjoy the challenge and be careful on his feet?


Based on his breeding I would say he has good strong feet, but only an idiot would take a horse of that level, that breeding and that talent and risk an injury on bad ground. There are horses bred for "off roading fun" and then there are horses like this.

[STF]

Carried away with a pretty color"

Just a pretty color hu????
Well, let me esssssssssplain!!

That horse comes from 4 generations of AWESOME and approved bloodlines. Lauries Cursador himself, as a TB, was named Stallion of the year in 06 (right up there with Weltmeyer and such). No small claim, by any means!! Londonderry, his sire is one of the hottest thing to hit the market in years. IMO, he is the next Sandro Hit that will shape a breeding trend (or already has started). His approved sons have already shown their breeding wealth in producing awesome stock as well = good genetics.
The dam line is also from world known and proven stock. Non other than the great Rubinstein, who himself produced many proven and approved stallion and tons of offspring that have met and excelled to FEI if not Grand Prix. Feiner Stern, in the lower line is a icon, again approved and proven.
The horse, at a young age is showing lovely and relaxed movements for upper level with a quiet rider who is not "making him" do the work by kicking, spuring or whip. The horse obviously is doing this from talent and only time will build upon this and improve.
Just a pretty color? I think not!!!!
:lol: :lol:

[nhwr]

I am with STF. This horse has very nice breeding, particularly as an amateur's mount. My experience with Rubinstein offspring (several) and Lauries Crusader offspring (more limited) is that these horses don't always come fully through their backs until they are mature. But the attitude and trainability of the R line more than makes up for that. He is talented and progressing well for his age. I had to laugh when someone said he was struggling with "lengthenings". Those weren't lengthenings, :lol:.

But if you think he is chopped liver, by all means, send him to my place :yes: I have a short waist and long legs and I have access to lots of nice trails but I promised not to do endurance riding with him ;)

[STF]

Im with nhwr, send him to me!!!!

This is a young horse who is offering movements because he CAN and the rider is building on them. No, that was not a lengthening, she is building his back. Watch the back stay up and round and as soon as you see any tension she lets him into something else to relax.
Good riding, good training and overall GREAT horse.

[grayarabpony]

Im with nhwr, send him to me!!!!

This is a young horse who is offering movements because he CAN and the rider is building on them. No, that was not a lengthening, she is building his back. Watch the back stay up and round and as soon as you see any tension she lets him into something else to relax.
Good riding, good training and overall GREAT horse.

Sure, he's a great horse. It's not a lengthening because he's not stepping under enough with his hind legs. What he is doing is not strengthening his back in that particular exercise.

[nhwr]

They were schooling medium, and trying for extension, not lengthenings.

[BaroquePony]

Winninggaits,

I am not sure why others seem so determined to read more into my post than was actually there.

The question was about NOT about endurance riding at all. That is why I phrased it as "long distance riding".

I am not talking about endless hours of pushing a horse over terrain of any kind.

I am talking about one to several hours of walking and some trotting through National Forest land and using open fields for schooling the simple exercises and developing a forward horse that is very confident in an environment other than an arena. I am talking about using hills to develop engagement and a consistent rythym and safe fields for the occasional gallop.

I believe horses incur far fewer injuries of any kind if they are CONDITIONED over natural terrain. It provides a footing that is somewhat uneven and develops the tendons and ligaments in such a way that they (and their legs) are more able to withstand unusual things no matter where they are.

Going out for long "trail rides" does not have to mean meandering around aimlessly for the entire day. It is a great opportunity to put the horse on the aids doing exercises where terrain permits and then relax the aids where the horses can look around and be themselves.

I would have no desire to jump this horse other than cavaletti work and small jumps in an arena or safe field.

[BaroquePony]

originally posted by STF:

Based on his breeding I would say he has good strong feet, but only an idiot would take a horse of that level, that breeding and that talent and risk an injury on bad ground. There are horses bred for "off roading fun" and then there are horses like this.

The young three year old that you are referring to on the 2nd video isn't at a "level". It states that he has been under saddle for three weeks.

I would venture a guess that he has progressed, but the video shows a young green horse.

Only an idiot would not understand that many horses get injured during their show career BECAUSE they have not been introduced to a variety of things as part of their foundation.

A foundation of 50% walking is very good for any horse.

[Winninggaits]

I agree that the Londonderry x Rubinstein is very talented, I just meant to say in terms of natural talent that he may not be as good as others. The Romanov hit the ground at the top of the sport where as in the case of the Londonderry a lot of what makes him so impressive is his build, color and training. Also the Londonderry is already 6 and still doesn't have the cadence of the Romanov, who at the time of the video had been under saddle for only 3 weeks. AND, the Londonderry doesn't have the rideabilty that the Romanov does. The Londonderry needs constant tweaking - his cadence needs constant attention. The Romanov is always there, always working and always in tact.

[nhwr]

So send him to me :D

[grayarabpony]

They were schooling medium, and trying for extension, not lengthenings.

OK :), but what I'm saying is that he's locking his back a little bit and it's preventing him from getting those hind legs under.

[BaroquePony]

Generally a lengthening is any gait other then collection and working, which would include medium and extended :yes:

[nhwr]

This is what is so funny to me about this type of nitpicking. The purpose of this marketing video is to demonstrate positively and honestly what the horse is doing. Those who find fault often don't know what they are looking at and have the unreasonable expectations that everything that a horse is "schooling" should be perfect. Schooling not does equal mastery. But it is useful, IMO, to show what the horse is reaching for and how it is doing that. For a 6 year old, he is doing 3rd or 4th level well enough :lol:

FWIW, the Romanov looks very nice too.

[BaroquePony]

Originally posted by nhwr:

This is what is so funny to me about this type of nitpicking.

nhwr, I am sure you are going to find what I am about to say appalling for whatever bizarre reason you can muster up.

I stated in an earlier post that I made comments for educational purposes, both for myself and anyone else that was curious.

One of the reasons that I did that was because there are, IMO, certain "dressage types" that go out of their way to make the whole concept of dressage as confusing as possible for others.

I have seen this happen many times in the real world of competetive dressage in the US and I am seeing the same thing now in the virtual world of competetive dressage.

How ever odd that it may seem, it is my approach to offering some information that others can possibly use to compare to their experiences and instruction that may help them get more confidence in what they have been working on.

I thought it was "nitpicking", as well as not correct, to tell grayarabpony that the medium trot and working on extensions were not lengthenings.

[grayarabpony]

This is what is so funny to me about this type of nitpicking. The purpose of this marketing video is to demonstrate positively and honestly what the horse is doing. Those who find fault often don't know what they are looking at and have the unreasonable expectations that everything that a horse is "schooling" should be perfect. Schooling not does equal mastery. But it is useful, IMO, to show what the horse is reaching for and how it is doing that. For a 6 year old, he is doing 3rd or 4th level well enough :lol:

FWIW, the Romanov looks very nice too.

A horse schooling 3rd or 4th level should be doing correct lengthenings. It's not nit picking, it's basic, and shows a hole in the horse's foundation, which in dressage, can change from day to day. A horse can be locked in his back one day, or with one rider, and swinging and correct the next. I'd make the same critique of my own horse if he performed lengthenings like that. It's very irritating when people on this board say that others don't know what they are talking about when they offer their opinion. I do know what I'm talking about.

[nhwr]

Imprecision adds to confusion. That is why there are different terms. In the competitive world, lengthenings are a first or second level element where a horse demonstrates some ability to to lengthen its stride while maintaining a consistent tempo. grayarabpony basically admits this is what they were referring to. In my experience in the competitive world, that is how the term is used. Yours may be different. But if you want to minimize confusion, I suggest you strive for clarity. It is important, even if it seems like nitpicking.

Additionally, I think it is important to consider that this purpose of this video was not to demonstrate a classical text book example of anything, but rather to represent a horse at its current level of work. If you don't like how the horse is schooling - don't buy him :D Based on the video, I wish I could :yes:

[STF]

You are nit picking. For some reason you have something against this horse (or prob. this breed). Why on earth would you ask the silly questions you did several posts ago. This horse has more talent tham 3/4 horses I have ever seen.
Its not a SHOW video its a trianing video and ANY ONE with a good eye can see the horse will not have any trouble with gaits down the line.
Your nitpicking trying to say something negative about the horse, its gaits or whatever. We can all see that.
Most any BNT would love to have this horse in their barn. Are you upset he is not a draft or a pony? I just dont get it??/

[STF]

And another thing, lengthings and extensions are TWO different things, I think you are very confused in what your looking at.

[BaroquePony]

I am extremely critical of my own riding and whatever horse I am on. However, I understand physics, biomechanics, engineering (more pyhsics and biomechanics) and I truly love the horse. I do not make them do much of anything, I ask them for everything. Occasionally horse and I have a dispute. I convince them that I can show/teach them a better way of moving that feels better ... because it is true that correct dressage works all of the right muscles, it does not take much to convince the horse. I rarely have disputes with horses.

Really go out on a limb here .... I consider correct riding a martial art. Many matrial arts have a position called the "horse stance". It is the correct position for classical riding. It is extremely supple as well as very strong.

[nhwr]

Yes grayarabpony, a horse schooling this level should be able to show a good lengthening. There aren't any lengthenings on the video, so we can't say for sure. I'd bet he has nice ones though.

[grayarabpony]

Jeez, some people need to get their dressage whips out of their a$$.

OK, so I'm not super thrilled with his MEDIUM, which does indeed show lengthening of stride. It's my opinion. If you don't like it, that's tough. It doesn't mean my opinion is less educated than yours. I've seen much better MEDIUM trots than that, in fact I'm sure this horse is capable of better, but I'd like for him to push and carry with his back legs more. STF you seem to be channeling Theo. Don't put up videos of horses then, if you don't want people's opinions. If fact you should probably take a break from posting. The sem-hysterical tone of your recent posts is not lending credence to your image as a responsible and knowledge breeder. FYI.

[BaroquePony]

Originally posted by STF:

And another thing, lengthings and extensions are TWO different things, I think you are very confused in what your looking at.

*sigh* I never said or implied they were the same thing. Lengthening to me means that you are working on lengthening the stride of whatever gait you are working on.

And, if you are using the term "extensions" to mean the extended trot or the extended canter, it is still a lengthening of the stride(s).

Medium trot and extended trot are more finished and should show distinct definition, but they depend heavily on the conformation and schooling. They both would have required lengthenings in the process of deveoping them under saddle or from the ground.

And, no, some horses and breed types just cannot do extensions very well, if at all.

I think of lengthening as a schooling term for all levels. If an instructor asks me to lengthen the stride, I know what he is asking for. If I have a horse that is young, that would be the only thing to ask.

About the sale videos.

I like the Romanov horse a lot for competitive dressage aiming at higher levels.

[Horsejudge]

I would take him - right away!

[BaroquePony]

Jeez, some people need to get their dressage whips out of their a$$.

:yes:

[AC]

He is welcome in my barn too.....Winninggaits you have so many lovely animals on youtube-all very impressive. I would glady take most-if-not-all-!- of the others too.

Good luck with your new website and your business...

[Winninggaits]

Thanks, AC, you're too kind ;)

[Donnalynn]

OK, Winninggaits, your name says it all. As if you didn't know already that Londonderry horse is swell. But that Romanov........

Sheesh, at 3 years old and 3 WEEKS under saddle? I'd have flat died and gone to heaven to be sitting on that horse. Of course only in heaven would that kind of motion not leave me behind it hanging in the breeze.

Heck, at 3 weeks under saddle, mine are barely taking contact, mostly hacking around on a loose rein and hooo boy, certainly not looking like THAT.

Wowza.

[STF]

STF you seem to be channeling Theo. Don't put up videos of horses then, if you don't want people's opinions. If fact you should probably take a break from posting. The sem-hysterical tone of your recent posts is not lending credence to your image as a responsible and knowledge breeder. FYI.

I did not ask for an opinion of the horse, I just posted and said I wanted him and liked him alot. Then some people had to get on here and pick him apart, for some reason.
Semi Hysteical? I think no. I dont take the time to blink at most people, no less take the time to get super upset. I was in hurry eariler to get to the barn. Overall, I could care less what people think. Its the great thing about being me! :D

[Winninggaits]

Thanks, Donnalynn. I just love being able to see so many talented and well ridden horses over here. I feel fortunate to know so many outstanding breeders and trainers. It seems everywhere I go I get excited about something. I always say that I'm still the 5 year old little girl who is absolutely horse crazy ;)

[nhwr]

For the record, a lengthening is merely a lengthening of stride with maintenance of balance and no change in tempo. The horse literally stretches out to achieve it. You can often see the poll get lower and the horse may be more on the forehand, which though not desirable, is allowable. Extensions are developed from collected work. That is why you see elementary collected work before extensions in competitive dressage. For an extension, you want the poll to be elevated and the amplitude, as well as the length of the stride to increase. To say that an extension is a lengthening is a gross over-simplification at best.

In the ongoing interest of precise communication, even though I don't like to carry a whip, I am reasonably certain some posters on this thread are confused about how to hold one properly. It does explain a bit about their demeanor though :winkgrin:

STF, thanks for sharing. Winninggaits, you are representing some nice animals, good luck with your marketing efforts. And I would still be happy to take the Londonderry off your hands if I could hide him from my husband ;)

[grayarabpony]

I only watched the first couple minutes of the video and actually thought that it was a lengthening. The horse is not showing enough carrying behind to be performing a really good medium. A really good medium has suspension as well as lenthening that allows the horse to overtrack and still stay up in front. It's not to say that this horse couldn't perform an excellent medium, but he's having a little trouble with his balance and locking a little in his back as a result.

So as long as we're all being PRECISE and drooling over this horse let's not forget what a really good medium is supposed to look like.

Nobody is nitpicking the horse, just giving an honest opinion about his performance in the video. Again, if you don't like people commenting on the videos then don't put them up. I don't care whether you asked for opinions or not -- what do you think people do on BBs anyway, just post what you want to hear? :cool:

[Donella]

OMG..I have come to the realization that NO horse will ever totally impress the online BB'ers of the dressage forums:lol: Can't we just agree its a lovely horse and leave it at that. The OP didn't say that the horse was flawless, she said she'd love to have him. Is there anyone here who wouldn't? Ok..didn't think so, so stop picking and whining and bitching just to hear yourselves!

BTW..I am loving that Romanov as well, just goes to show "you don't have to train in what is already there". Winninggaits, would you say that Romanov is siring good horses like this consistantly? A fellow CDN breeder had a lovely Romanov filly this year ...really a nice filly. I think he may be on my list for 2009.

[grayarabpony]

OK, I don't particularly want to have him. If you used his hind end better yes.

Geez, there are some prize-winning breeders on this forum. :dead: Nobody on this thread is whining and bitching except you and STF.

[Donella]

LOL well how did this turn into a gazillion page thread?!

[STF]

OK, I don't particularly want to have him. If you used his hind end better yes.

Geez, there are some prize-winning breeders on this forum. :dead: Nobody on this thread is whining and bitching except you and STF.

Offending me is impossible, so stop wasting your time. ;)

[grayarabpony]

Offending me is impossible, so stop wasting your time. ;)

I don't care about you, I'm just giving my opinion.

But, as I said before, since you also use these boards as advertisement, you may want to consider your posts more carefully.

[STF]

Thank you for the advice. Now Im going to go mountain climbing with some of my horses to see if their feet will hold up. :lol: