What color is this horse?

[Ambrey]

I am doing a simple horse colors website as a class project- not a public website.

So I took pics of a bunch of horses, and I think I have the colors figured out but wanted to see what the other color curious people think. My guesses are in the pic titles (in one case, it differs from the owner's opinion).

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x182/estarianne/graypaint.jpg
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x182/estarianne/palomino.jpg

[RiddleMeThis]

First one I cant tell from the picture but some sort of tobiano roan or gray.

The second one is a bay silver until a test tells me otherwise....but of course a good friend says otherwise lmao.

You have any other pictures of the second or the bloodlines.

[Ambrey]

The first- owner calls her a paint roan, but because the "roaning" is not different on her face I call it a fleabitten gray paint.

The second I called a sooty palomino, but that picture did give me pause. I might have another pic of his face. No idea of breeding, but he looks like a QH to me.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x182/estarianne/websitepics019.jpg

[colliemom]

The second I called a sooty palomino

I have heard of something called a Chocolate Palomino before... not sure if it's an official color or not.

[jaimebaker]

I have heard of something called a Chocolate Palomino before... not sure if it's an official color or not.

It's the same as sooty palomino. And yes, the second horse is definitely sooty palo, not bay silver.

[Ambrey]

Well, either way they are both adorable :) Sigh, I love horses!

[jaimebaker]

This place has several sooty/chocolate palominos. All Things Considered is a gorgeous chocolate palomino. I saw him in person many times in his show career and he was a stunner.

http://tinyurl.com/5f5qq5

Here are examples of bay silvers. I've owned them in the past and they look vastly different from a chocolate palomino. It IS easy to confuse the silver gene when it comes to sooty palominos though as the sooty factor has a tendency to shift the mane and tail to more of a silver color as opposed to blonde or white.

I'm pretty sure there is an error on this page, and that Welsh stallion was confirmed flaxen chestnut and not silver but I could be mistaken (3rd horse down)

http://tinyurl.com/6cgwjt

[Simkie]

I'd say you're 100% spot on with the flea bitten grey paint. Interesting looking horse! His heads not nearly dark enough to be roan.

[JB]

Chocolate palomino is often used, incorrectly, to describe a black silver. Think Rocky Mountain horse with the "chocolate" body and white mane and tail. That's a black horse with the Silver dilution.

The first horse in the OP does indeed appear to be a gray - originally some dark colored pinto (Paint is a breed, has nothing to do with color or pattern), at least Tobiano.

The 2nd one - I'm with RMT on the likelihood of a Silver Bay - the legs are much too dark to belong on a palomino whose body is otherwise so light.

[Ambrey]

The 2nd one - I'm with RMT on the likelihood of a Silver Bay - the legs are much too dark to belong on a palomino whose body is otherwise so light.

But look at the face in picture 2?

[RiddleMeThis]

What about the face? Looks like a bay silver face to me.

[JB]

But look at the face in picture 2?

Yes, but there's a much bigger differentiation between a palomino and a bay than simply the face :) The legs are the biggest difference when you have Silver. If I were to only look at that head, I'd say pali for sure. But the legs on this one are a giveaway, to me (and obviously to RMT) that it's a Bay Silver - he likely would have been a light, golden bay.

Heck, maybe he's a buttermilk buckskin silver :D

[Ajierene]

The first one - definitely flea bitten gray.

The second picture in the original post looks like a light bay or buckskin with silver mane and tail. The second picture, of just the face, looks much more palomino.

You might need to take a picture of this one outside as the way the camera is capturing the light in the barn may be altering the true color. This happens a lot with indirect light (such as the ceiling of the enclosure).

She does have dark legs, which is not usual for a palomino, but I have seen some crazy things called colors I would not call them. With some colors, you can light 5 people up to the horse and they will tell you 5 different colors.

[didgery]

Paint refers to a breed (usually QH influenced) whereas pinto or tobiano refers to a color. The first horse looks like a flea bitten grey tobiano pinto, but may or may not be a paint.

[summerhorse]

First def. grey tobiano (can't see well enough to see what the dark areas on his rump are but probably blood marks)

Second looks sooty palomino BUT has dark enough legs and face masking it might be a silver buckskin. Def. not a silver bay. Would probably test it if a breeding animal or may be able to tell from sire/dam colors.

[jaimebaker]

Chocolate palomino is often used, incorrectly, to describe a black silver. Think Rocky Mountain horse with the "chocolate" body and white mane and tail. That's a black horse with the Silver dilution.

The first horse in the OP does indeed appear to be a gray - originally some dark colored pinto (Paint is a breed, has nothing to do with color or pattern), at least Tobiano.

The 2nd one - I'm with RMT on the likelihood of a Silver Bay - the legs are much too dark to belong on a palomino whose body is otherwise so light.

Actually, if you go look at enough photos of sooty palominos you will see that they often have legs much darker. Some can be almost brown. No silver gene, just a factor of sooty effecting the points.

Here's my old bay silver. With a bay face, not a palomino face such as the horse pictured. Google is your friend:) Go google bay silver and sooty or chocolate palomino and notice the differences.

http://www.tristanbaker.net/eBay/buck.jpg

[jaimebaker]

First def. grey tobiano (can't see well enough to see what the dark areas on his rump are but probably blood marks)

Second looks sooty palomino BUT has dark enough legs and face masking it might be a silver buckskin. Def. not a silver bay. Would probably test it if a breeding animal or may be able to tell from sire/dam colors.

Yes, it could definitely be a buckskin silver. But I agree, definitely not a bay silver.

[jaimebaker]

More examples of silver, including a buckskin silver

http://tinyurl.com/6kfn99

[RiddleMeThis]

Actually, if you go look at enough photos of sooty palominos you will see that they often have legs much darker. Some can be almost brown. No silver gene, just a factor of sooty effecting the points. JB and I have seen our fare share of sooty palominos. Believe me lmao. I have seen more sooty palominos than I could ever hope to see. What JB means is that its is incredibly rare to see sooty effect the legs that much, yet not effect the body color much, nor the mane.

Here's my old bay silver. With a bay face, not a palomino face such as the horse pictured. Their faces are incredibly similar. In shading and in tone.
Google is your friend:) Go google bay silver and sooty or chocolate palomino and notice the differences. Now thats just funny. :lol:

[RiddleMeThis]

Just because it looks like a sooty pally doesnt mean it is.

This horse owned by DoubleBarr from HGS LOOKS palomino, but thats NOT what it is

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/pictures/files/1/3/0/8/6/p6070140a.jpg

[jaimebaker]

JB and I have seen our fare share of sooty palominos. Believe me lmao. I have seen more sooty palominos than I could ever hope to see. What JB means is that its is incredibly rare to see sooty effect the legs that much, yet not effect the body color much, nor the mane.

Their faces are incredibly similar. In shading and in tone.
Now thats just funny. :lol:

We'll just have to agree to disagree then because the horse posted looks NOTHING like a bay silver to me (and nothing my own...not even close). So maybe our monitors are different, but one of us is wrong and that's perfectly ok. I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it or get in a pissing contest over whose seen more sooty palominos or bay silvers.:rolleyes:

ETA - The only real answer would be a test. I've known lots of horses that looked one way and tested another.

[JB]

ETA - The only real answer would be a test. I've known lots of horses that looked one way and tested another.

You're right on that! :yes::yes: Care to take a guess as to the test results of that last appy that RMT posted? :D

[ljshorses]

Legs are not an indicator. I had this filly DNA tested and she is not carrying the silver gene. She is a palomino, a sooty palomino.

[JB]

I realize it's a fine line, but that one doesn't make me even suspect Silver :)

Truly, the only way we'll ever know is to have the OP horse tested. Beyond that it's a lot of speculation based on personal experiences :)

[Ambrey]

You're right on that! :yes::yes: Care to take a guess as to the test results of that last appy that RMT posted? :D

Champagne?

[Ambrey]

Sorry, it got dark before I could go take another look at the horse. I'll try to get more info, if not more pics.

[RiddleMeThis]

I realize it's a fine line, but that one doesn't make me even suspect Silver :)
Same here. Doesnt make me think silver in the slightest.

[RiddleMeThis]

Champagne?

Nope. Good guess though.

[RiddleMeThis]

Figured I would bump this with the answer....Ee aa Crcr. Hes smokey black.

[Ambrey]

I went and looked at the horse in the OP again today. Didn't give me any clearer idea- the legs are very dark, the only "sooty" markings are on his face, the rest of him is kind of an even chocolate color. I'm almost starting to agree with RMT.

[didgery]

Figured I would bump this with the answer....Ee aa Crcr. Hes smokey black.

That's AMAZING.

[Nootka]

That's AMAZING.

no joke.... wow:eek:

[Ambrey]

Just to update. I finally got to see the horse in full sunlight (sorry, didn't have my camera :() and he's definitely a sooty palomino. Even in person, the shade made his legs look very dark, but in the light they are not that dark.