Paleface for sale?

[DustInTime04]

I was just browsing on US Eventing and found this under 4 star horses for sale...thought it was pretty interesting/surprising!

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[Tucked_Away]

...ooh.

[SMMP]

I was just browsing on US Eventing and found this under 4 star horses for sale...thought it was pretty interesting/surprising!

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When you family is in the business, aren't they all always for sale?

[Copper]

Well, he's prime age and experience for the Olympics this year, and since he's not going, and will be older at the next games - why not sell him and make a ton of money?
Wonder how much they want for him.

[sisu27]

Too bad, he is a pretty neat horse. I wonder who his next ride will be? Isn't Paleface out of a mare that Waylons grandmother had? What ever happened to Napalm anyways? He's a cool horse too.

[Bobthehorse]

I could never sell a horse that I owed my career to. Especially when I had a huge farm and lots of money.

[NeverTime]

When you are a professional rider, aren't they all for sale?

[caffeinated]

wow... he's such a cool horse.

Though I think they make such a fantastic team, it's sort of weird to think of him belonging to someone else...

[sisu27]

When you are a professional rider, aren't they all for sale?

No. Ian (Sue Grange) could have sold Big Ben a million times over, Albert Zoer turned down HUGE $$ for Oki Doki, Heidi turned down $$ for Northern Spy...

I guess it depends on how badly you want/need the money and what sort of person you are.

[SmallHerd]

UN, Jane Sleeper's mount, is also for sale.

[findeight]

No. Ian (Sue Grange) could have sold Big Ben a million times over, Albert Zoer turned down HUGE $$ for Oki Doki, Heidi turned down $$ for Northern Spy...

I guess it depends on how badly you want/need the money and what sort of person you are.


That's not fair. Because you sell a name horse does not mean you lack character, has nothing to do with "what sort of person you are".

There are many good reasons they may be selling-like they financially have to despite outer appearances. Even "rich" people enjoying tax advantaged status actually have to sometimes show a profit. And you profit from selling name horses, not some green prospect. There may be marital problems, health problems or other things they prefer not to share.

And maybe it is just their choice not to continue with this one. No need to defend the decision and no need to cast aspersions on their character for selling.

[Hilary]

I guess it depends on how badly you want/need the money and what sort of person you are.

Is that really fair to judge someone like that because they place an ad for a horse?

We have no idea what his situation is.

He's not shipping the horse off to New Holland here.

I'd hate to think someone thought I was a "bad" owner if I ever had to sell one of my horses. Even one that made me great (ha!)

Since I've never sold a horse (they are aging in various states of grace in my back yard) and never met the kid I don't know why I'm jumping to his defense here, and maybe he is a greedy SOB, but let's not jump to that conclusion.

[Hilary]

Findeight - we hit submit at the same time!

[sisu27]

That's not fair. Because you sell a name horse does not mean you lack character, has nothing to do with "what sort of person you are".

There are many good reasons they may be selling-like they financially have to despite outer appearances. Even "rich" people enjoying tax advantaged status actually have to sometimes show a profit. And you profit from selling name horses, not some green prospect. There may be marital problems, health problems or other things they prefer not to share.

And maybe it is just their choice not to continue with this one. No need to defend the decision and no need to cast aspersions on their character for selling.

Chill out Findeight. Note that I didn't define that statement. I didn't say you were an a$$hole if you sold your horse, I said it depends on what type of person you are. That was it. That could mean many things. To me it meant some people see horses more as commodities than others. You made the assumption that that meant something negative. I, personally, only get attached to some. Cried like a baby when I had to sell my pony, walked away without saying a word or even a backward glance from my mare. You might also note that I think Ian, Kelly and Waylon are fantastic people. I don't yet know the reason for them offering Paleface up for sale but was most definately not implying that anyone was "lacking in character" regardless.

[sisu27]

Is that really fair to judge someone like that because they place an ad for a horse?

We have no idea what his situation is.

He's not shipping the horse off to New Holland here.

I'd hate to think someone thought I was a "bad" owner if I ever had to sell one of my horses. Even one that made me great (ha!)

Since I've never sold a horse (they are aging in various states of grace in my back yard) and never met the kid I don't know why I'm jumping to his defense here, and maybe he is a greedy SOB, but let's not jump to that conclusion.

YOU HAVE ALL BEEN THE ONES TO JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS!

My post was more in response to the individual who said that they were all for sale. Sometimes, they aren't for sale at any price was my point.

I like and respect Ian, Kelly and Waylon more than just about anybody in our area that is involved in eventing so simmer down.

[snoopy]

When you are a professional rider, aren't they all for sale?


Most every horse has a price....eventing costs a lot of money and you get little return. Our horses are one run away from injury so one must strike whilst the iron is hot.
Sandy Phillips once said to me "unless it is going to medal, its for sale".
I know that Corinne has been offered HUGE sums of money for Dobbin....HUGE.. but for her own reasons he is not and will never be for sale. Everone has their reasons for selling horses that we ourselves would prositute our mothers for. Like it or not Eventing and horses are a business for some. Teaching lessons does not pay the mortgage.

[starboard]

wow. Than what kind of person is Phillip, because Connaught was for sale pre-rolex from rumors i've heard.

[monstrpony]

Sometimes, those offers for sale are to find new owners who can support the horse's continued career with the same rider, no? As opposed to just offering an UL horse for sale to anyone.

[Gunnar]

Most every horse has a price....eventing costs a lot of money and you get little return. Our horses are one run away from injury so one must strike whilst the iron is hot.
Sandy Phillips once said to me "unless it is going to medal, its for sale".
I know that Corinne has been offered HUGE sums of money for Dobbin....HUGE.. but for her own reasons he is not and will never be for sale. Everone has their reasons for selling horses that we ourselves would prositute our mothers for. Like it or not Eventing and horses are a business for some. Teaching lessons does not pay the mortgage.

I agree with the fact that being from a professional family does not make him and his parents rich! Just the opposite I would really think!
I loved Paleface at the Rolex and it will be sad to see Waylon and he separated. But the real world is the real world so grow up! :eek:

[half seat]

They provide a link in the ad, but the web site does not list Paleface for sale. In fact, the sales page on the web site provided is dated August 2007. Also, I have no experience selling horses of this calibur, but wouldn't they still include pictures in the advertisement, even if it is a well-known horse? It just seems like an odd advertisement to me. I'd think marketing for a horse of this cailbur would be more complete... but as I said, I have no personal experience with that.

[NeverTime]

Most every horse has a price....eventing costs a lot of money and you get little return. Our horses are one run away from injury so one must strike whilst the iron is hot.
Sandy Phillips once said to me "unless it is going to medal, its for sale".
I know that Corinne has been offered HUGE sums of money for Dobbin....HUGE.. but for her own reasons he is not and will never be for sale. Everone has their reasons for selling horses that we ourselves would prositute our mothers for. Like it or not Eventing and horses are a business for some. Teaching lessons does not pay the mortgage.

Exactly.

My trainer just had her best finish to date at Rolex with a horse she's brought up from scratch over the past 9 years. She declined the offer (post-Rolex finish) to be considered for the Olympics b/c she's got pre-existing commitments and, having gone to HK for the test games last year, doesn't want her precious boy going there. She would DEARLY love to do the WEG with him in Lexington, or London in 2010.

But he's for sale, too. We'd all cry like babies if he leaves, but ... Farms need to be run, bills need to be paid, other horses need to be bought and sold to keep the whole boat afloat.

[Sightunseen]

I think that it people tend to look at it from the wrong side. Yeah the ULR is selling their horse, BUT if the horse is not going where they want to go the horse is going to be playing second fiddle to the new prospect. So wouldn't it be better for that horse to go and teach someone else and get to be the shining star at a new barn? I sold my first event horse b/c he was topped out and getting to the point where jumping was really hard on him, but he would have hated only gettin out to hack because I didnt have time, nor the inclination, to do more with him. So he went off to a dressage rider and has had an extremely happy life living it up as a dressage horse.

[LisaB]

There are a multitude of reasons for selling
1. money - they can't afford to take the horse advanced
2. horse is getting older - and rather than having him break down, send him on to a home that won't require as much
3. horse isn't **** caliber - going adv, sure, but not competitive enough
4. horse isn't a great match for rider - rather than both of them getting in a psychological war, sell the horse for big bucks to someone who matches him.

There are lots of horses that are for sale. They just don't advertise them to the general population because they want them to remain in the advanced circles.

[rabicon]

UN is also for sale now on there. Just wondering how much she'd want for him :eek:

[bornfreenowexpensive]

UN is also for sale now on there. Just wondering how much she'd want for him :eek:


you mean her...UN is a mare.

[LLDM]

Everone has their reasons for selling horses that we ourselves would prositute our mothers for.

Watch it son, or I'll sell you to the gypsies - again. :eek::p:winkgrin:

Sorry for the interruption - back to your regularly scheduled programing!

SCFarm

[bambam]

I may be hallucinating (not unusual) but I recall reading somewhere before Rolex that this was Waylon's final season eventing and he would focus on jumpers afterwards. That would seem like a darn good reason to sell your 4 star event horse

[rabicon]

you mean her...UN is a mare.

:lol::lol: sorry, I only own all boys, horses, dogs, and cats so I'm use to saying him. I know its a mare but well habits are hard to break :winkgrin:

[clivers]

Paleface has been for sale off and on forever - It's the family business. I remember when his asking price was only $20K. I bet it's considerably more now ;)

[3dazey]

UN has been for sale for a good while. I saw her advertised in the Chronicle a couple times last year.

[Ravencrest_Camp]

No. Ian (Sue Grange) could have sold Big Ben a million times over, Albert Zoer turned down HUGE $$ for Oki Doki, Heidi turned down $$ for Northern Spy...

I guess it depends on how badly you want/need the money and what sort of person you are.


Just for the record, Sue Grange did not own Big Ben.

Whether or not she would sell the horses Ian presently rides for her is beside the point. The financial resources at her disposal are considerably greater than that of the Roberts family. ;)

[poltroon]

I recall that especially in the first years of Rolex, that a couple of riders from NZ financed their trips to the states explicitly planning that they would run Rolex, and then sell the horse to cover the cost of bringing him to the US. In many cases it was a longtime partnership, and I'm sure the riders were very torn about it. But, it was the only way they had to advance.

[sisu27]

Just for the record, Sue Grange did not own Big Ben.

Sorry, that is true...Canadian Show Jumpers Unlimited Inc...just for the record. So I guess technically Ian did sell Ben.

[FairWeather]

Does Waylon come with him do ya think? Because his little Tobey McGuire/Harry Potter face is almost as cute as Paleface's ears!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3009/2452747639_6b0c019ea0.jpg
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[2016 RoyalCrown KTug]

That's not fair. Because you sell a name horse does not mean you lack character, has nothing to do with "what sort of person you are".

There are many good reasons they may be selling-like they financially have to despite outer appearances. Even "rich" people enjoying tax advantaged status actually have to sometimes show a profit. And you profit from selling name horses, not some green prospect. There may be marital problems, health problems or other things they prefer not to share.

And maybe it is just their choice not to continue with this one. No need to defend the decision and no need to cast aspersions on their character for selling.

Exactly. Who are all of you to say he should or shouldn't be selling this horse. He is prime age. And it makes them look extremely good to sell a horse that just jumped around Rolex great. its their choice. it does not make them bad people . . . it does not make them 'heartless' for selling a horse I would think they are close to. But seriously, leave it alone people. they can do what they want , when they want

[caffeinated]

Does Waylon come with him do ya think? Because his little Tobey McGuire/Harry Potter face is almost as cute as Paleface's ears!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3009/2452747639_6b0c019ea0.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3126/2453573378_5dfd75f3f2.jpg


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[Jazzy Lady]

Sorry Fairweather... he's already spoken for up here. lol.

[Saskatoonian]

You know, my prelim horse was one that some people would never have sold - bought as a yearling, brought along, took his owner to Rolex twice. He made her. I was so lucky that they sold him rather than retiring him to a field. He was a horse of a lifetime for two of us. I chalk that in the generous column.

Hope Paleface goes on to do the same for someone else.

[sisu27]

Exactly. Who are all of you to say he should or shouldn't be selling this horse. He is prime age. And it makes them look extremely good to sell a horse that just jumped around Rolex great. its their choice. it does not make them bad people . . . it does not make them 'heartless' for selling a horse I would think they are close to. But seriously, leave it alone people. they can do what they want , when they want

This just in...50% off all posters on COTH have a reading equivalency of grade 3:p

The majority of posters have not done any of the above on this thread if you read it in it's entirety. Even if that were the case I don't envision Dreamcrest et al wringing their hands in concern for the opinions expressed on this board. Which are just that...opinions, no right or wrong.

[Jazzy Lady]

I can understand a few reasons why they might sell him. Waylon is a beautiful rider who would excell in the jumper ring. If he chose that route, another horse would be more suitable.

Whatever he choses, he's going to be successful, and if someone buys Paleface, they will have one hell of an awesome horse.

[cac182]

What has Paleface done since Rolex? What happened at the jog following XC?

[Bravestrom]

What has Paleface done since Rolex? What happened at the jog following XC?

Bromont Three Day Event
The Todd Sandler Challenge
Bromont, QC
June 12 - 15, 2008


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101 Waylon Roberts (Y) Paleface CAN 58.7 0.0 17.6 32.0 0 108.3 4

[Picasso]

We are searching for a lease for me. Yesterday we went to look at a project horse for him (the trainer) together and we were talking about how I really need to move up from my horse and how proud he was of me (I came to him an unconfident wreck of a re-rider). I could tell he was being really positive because I've owned my horse for 13+ years and really haven't been on much else during this time, so he was concerned about messing up all the progress he's made with me by taking me out of my comfort zone horse.

Anyway, I say to him I think he's right and its time I started seriously looking at some options for me, and (with a very straight face) say "I hear Paleface is for lease. I think that is the perfect move up horse for me, I'll call when we are finished with this trip". He was silent and I could tell he was really trying to figure out exactly what to say to me. I know what he wanted to do was say "are you smoking crack?" It was funny.

OK, back to the real thread.