Video of Strider/Shadow

[Shadow14]

Obviously I failed misserably to show a video of my 2 boys. With over 100 views not a single comment on Strider, a beautiful easy moving boy who carried me for 17 years without a single let down. Not a word.
As for Shadow he gave me fits trying to keep him broke but that day was the day he quite fighting and today is another beautiful trained animal making his name in the horse world.
Again I won't try to defend what and how I do things but in the end I would challenge any of you to match either of them.
Thanks guys

[Bank of Dad]

Wow. I take back my complaints about Seabiscuit. He always stood still to mount and waits for me to get ready. Sea looks just like Strider, same color and markings. He is full Russian bred. Maybe that's his problem, just don't unnerstand inglish.

Thanks for posting.

[Shadow14]

Wow. I take back my complaints about Seabiscuit. He always stood still to mount and waits for me to get ready. Sea looks just like Strider, same color and markings. He is full Russian bred. Maybe that's his problem, just don't unnerstand inglish.

Thanks for posting.

While Shadow gave me alot of problems accepting me he turned into the best horse I have ever owned. Strider is a fantastic horse with absolutely no quit in him and I believe he could outrun just about anything he lacks the intelligence of Shadow.

[Shadow14]

:confused:

I know. Shadow is very smart and a quick learner. I often wondered if they tried breaking him and he beat them. He fought me for almost a month, he would accept but the next time it was a fight all over again then suddenly it was over.

[Shadow14]

The bit lasted a week or two and he was out of it. Sorry if I appear lazy but 17 stitches were not fun.

[rainechyldes]

I would have preferred to see less 'bitting up ' sorry, but I feel its the lazy way to start a horse, and I'm sure I am not alone in that thought.

getting on a green horse, from the ground, as the rider reefs on the saddle to mount, can cause behaviour issue. And you can see by the video that young horse is startled when you put your leg over him - and so it did cause an issue. A mounting block until you've have more then a few solid good rides on a horse is a wise option, - especially on a young horse, who is also unbalanced, not riding 'fit' yet, and especially not used to a rider, let alone a rider clambering onto his back. The bitting up, and the helper both reefing on the horse head when he object. eh.. I'll pass on, it speaks for itself, as well as does the loud yelling you can hear.

The dog, and large open area. .. more asking for failure imo

I know perfectly well there is this style fo training, get on, let her rip.
In my experience, it's not the best style, and can lengthen rather then shorten the training
Several things in that video I saw, were setting a young horse up to fail, and then punishing it for..
failing.


I'm not impressed. It could have been accomplished in a much cleaner/safer/better for the horse to learn fashion.

[Shadow14]

Norval - if you have never read Cesar Milan's book on dog psychology - I strongly recommend it. It is beneficial to those who work with horses as well. It deals with the concepts of communication species to species, and controlling negative emotions and energy.

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Vickey I dominated the dog obedience field for almost 12 years. I won everything from simple CD to the more complex Schutzen trials for guard dogs. Tracking tricks you name it.
I did dog shows almost weekly for schools, hosipitals, cubs, browniess and was featured at a big sportsman show for a week.
I appeared on Kids world alot, was interview for 1/2 hour on another TV show and provided the trained dogs for a 1/2 hour show that never went over.
Newpapers regularly did features on Lance.

No I don't need lessons on training dogs. I also teach horses the same way .
I don't pussy foot around and my horses do not dink around with me. As for making them afraid of me nothing could be further from the truth.My reputation for training is good with those that know me.

[katarine]

Again I won't try to defend what and how I do things but in the end I would challenge any of you to match either of them.

If you aren't willing to put, and leave, your money where your mouth is, you only succeed in appearing to be a spoiled child who's prone to lashing out and taking his toys away.

Put your videos back up and let them stay there. I only watched a few seconds of the first one, where there's two horses trotting and loping toward the camera= it's grainy footage and I got bored. Put it back up and have a back bone about it, LOL- I can't 'match' either of them if you won't leave it up.

[Shadow14]

. Horses don't understand being jabbed with big spurs and big bits and being forced in the deep water and allowed to panic, any more than a dog understands being tied up in the snow and beaten with a coat hanger. They don't understand having their heads tied up to their girth for "breaking." They don't understand being run through fences and falling down half a dozen times per year because their rider is taking stupid chances and making bad decisions. There is NEVER any good excuse for these actions out of a rider or trainer.

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Yes I wear spurs. Have you ever seen them?? The ones I wear??? They are hand made out of stainless by me and no wheel, just a big blunt rounded end.
Big Bit. I call it a big bit, have posted a picture of me daily bit. It is actuallly called a training bit and the shanks do NOT hang below his jaw.
Run through Fences. He choose that. I certianly wanted him to stop, I was using side pulls at the time. I switched to a snaffle and he ran right through that also and dumped me hard.
Falling half dozen times a year. Yes I do. I cover alot of country, roughly 2500 miles a year and yes he trips, steps in holes, breaks through the snow crust, breaks through ice on shallow water, things are hidden under snow and my best riding time is winter, no bugs,, cool, cold alot and thousands of miles of snowmobile trails, groomed highways so to speak.

Students keep bothering me. Will
get back in a few minutes

[saratoga]

I looked briefly at the videos when they were up. Strider looked nice. With Shadow, I dont get why you would think that kind of behavior is cool. I have worked with my share of young horses and by the time I go to get on the first time, it is no big deal. Its actually kind of boring and anticlimatic. I've done a lot of ground work, bellied up on them, put my weight all around their necks, backs, butts, saddled them many times. I also get on first in a quiet, controlled environment.

If I had a horse react like in thet video, its dangerous, completely unnecesary and uncalled for, and I'd go back quite a few steps in training and figure out what went wrong before I'd get on. I mean, sure you can break a horse like this and most horses can turn out ok in spite of what we do, but why the heck would you want to?

[Shadow14]

. That's different than "breaking" a baby who doesn't know anything.

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That's not a baby. That is a 4 year old 900 pounds of muscle that has no problem dumping me. I have over 100 miles on him, some great rides until he decides to try and get rid of me.
If showing him that I am boss bothers you you shouldn't be training horses.
I was NOT wearing spurs and didn't until a few months into training. He is just going to find out that running away with me once I am set is NOT allowed.
I do break problem horses, horses that have been shown or ridden for years and then decided to quite. No nice way around it. I do ride that horse out until he decides to give in.

You aren't there, you don't know me, you don't know my record or my animals so how can you judge??? Just because I don't take crap doesn't mean I beat it out of them. I do ride with a western bit but I could ride with light string attaching the reins to the bit and won't break it??? Can you say the same thing???
How about Strider?? Never made a comment about him and his way of going??? Run behind, run in front he remains under control.
A kid or an old man both would be equally comfortable on him.
You don't know my horses or me so don't judge my ability.

[Beasmom]

Shadow 14, the word is "Schutzhund", and I doubt you are the dog trainer you say you are. Doubt your abilities with horses, too. I didn't get to see your videos, but it sounds like you're a yahoo. Frightening that you have students. You positively brag about your falls and injuries. Are you the Super Dave of the horse world?

All hat, no cattle.

[Shadow14]

Tonight I am sure I can find his pass port. I would never throw that out. He has his Schutzhund 3, all tracking degrees, a GA degree, and endurance degree and his utilities. That should make 13 degrees.
I also just found one of the many newspaper articles they did on him and I am sure some of his trophies should still be around.
I will photograph the stuff I can still find.
As for google they don't go back that far. I did alot in the corvette world and my contributions were regular but after a few years they drop it

His trophies and Striders cards were housecleaned about 2 years ago. They ment nothing to me anymore but now I am sorry I threw them out. I discarded about 50 trophies at the time but we keep finding some hidden away here and there.
As for Kid's world who would remember it??? NO one.
All I wanted to do was show my guys and this is what it turns into???
I really don't need you guys and after I post the promised pictures I am out of here.

His name is Lance and if I can find his papers it should have his registration number, what good it would do is beyond me.

[Shadow14]

Googling his real name doesn't bring up anything except posts on internet bulletin boards. I'd think someone who dominated the dog showing world for 12 years would have something out there, but there's nothing to dig up.

Vickey after 20 years do you think google is going to dig it up?? A computer hardly existed then and who would post it anyway.
Yes I did dominate for 12 years and did all the shows I said I did.
Again I will dig what I can up tonight, take photos of it and then wish you all goodbye.

google Becky Hart and Rio??? There is hardly a mention of her and yet she won a world champonship and many many races. In endurance she was a legend and yet today on google she is a one line mention????

[Beasmom]

Aww, did we hurt your widdle feewings? You're a laughingstock all over the internet bulletin boards. Buh-bye.

[citydog]

Dude, having *one* dog who earned some titles is hardly "domination". :lol::lol::lol:

Maybe you're just too modest to mention your multiple OTCh dogs, HITs, Dog World awards, National and World placements, TDI and SAR certifications etc. etc, on multiple dogs (and of multiple breeds) but somehow I think not. :rolleyes:

Your rather, um, *unconventional* use of the terminology really broadcasts your all-hat-no-cattleness, you know.


[Not that I don't think it's swell when anyone puts in the time to earn titles with their dogs, however modest :yes: :), but exaggerating the import of one's accomplishments is just incredibly lame.]

[Shadow14]

As promised this is just one of many newspaper articles done on Lance
http://i28.tinypic.com/15rcbp3.jpg
An excerpt from that article
http://i30.tinypic.com/2w7eatu.jpg
Just some of the ribbons that escaped housecleaning because they were out of site in an old desk that I recently run across. There are more then 50 here
http://i31.tinypic.com/juu2j6.jpg
Again some of the plaques that escaped house cleaning because they were on a high shelf in my shop. I did throw boxes and boxes out. What good are they???
http://i27.tinypic.com/rw5tsw.jpg
A few recognitions I didn’t even know I still had but found them look for the passport.
They are schutzhound 1 and 2, CD and utility and tracking.
http://i25.tinypic.com/2pysyfr.jpg

I couldn’t find the passport and I will NOT ask my wife when she gets home. I will not upset her by telling her you guys called me a liar.
I am only giving you this because it really bothers me to be called a liar.
You don’t know me, you don’t know my abilities and yet you judge me.
Bye, I will log off as soon as I am sure this is posted and good luck to you all in future endeavors

[Beasmom]

it's sad you're working so hard to justify yourself to strangers on the internet. Evidently your videos underwhelmed others here with your horse-training "skills".

That's "Schutzhund", not "schutzhound". Spellcheck, dude.

Don't let the virtual door hit you on your way out.

[mp]

That's a nice looking dog, an impressive pile of ribbons and some remarkable achievements.

But what does dog training have to do with knowing how to ride and train horses?

Oh ... wait. You fall off at least 6X a year. Never mind.

[Dalfan]

I do ride with a western bit but I could ride with light string attaching the reins to the bit and won't break it???

Let's see it.

[katarine]

Where IS Jazzrider to tell you all to behave?

yes he's a blowhard but you guys are sure getting your rocks off chasing him with a broom, aren't you?

He SAYS he's gone. So you're talking to yourselves.

[sublimequine]

Where IS Jazzrider to tell you all to behave?

yes he's a blowhard but you guys are sure getting your rocks off chasing him with a broom, aren't you?

He SAYS he's gone. So you're talking to yourselves.

I'm not really trying to justify anything that's gone on here (actually kinda bewildered myself with this thread.. us trail folk usually aren't this in-your-face!), but perhaps this is all kind of 'retaliation' from all the nasty stuff this guy would post about others and such? I think he's not very popular around here right now, and this was a golden opprotunity to run 'im outta town, so to speak. :lol:

Not really my style personally, but just trying to rationalize the flamefest going on at the moment. Didn't know you folks had it in you. :o

[Thomas_1]

I know. Shadow is very smart and a quick learner. I often wondered if they tried breaking him and he beat them. He fought me for almost a month, he would accept but the next time it was a fight all over again then suddenly it was over.

It takes 2 to fight.

You set the horse up to fail and that's what he did.

And trust me, I don't pussy foot around with horses either!

[jazzrider]

Where IS Jazzrider to tell you all to behave?

Here I am, drugged, with Laryngitis and an ice pack on my elbow. I was ignoring this thread, because he's just so tedious and I don't care if he gets poked at. I do, however, get annoyed when a good thread gets derailed by sniping -- but this was his thread, so whatever.

I do hope, A2, that you really have put him on your ignore list. Without you to rile up, he just might get bored and slink back to wherever he came from. But I doubt it. Trolls troll. It's their nature. :rolleyes: