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Horsecrazy27

Jun. 7, 2008, 10:13 AM

Hello,

I have two vet opinions (my vet. is out of town):

Wait 7 days see if Mother Nature takes care of it.

Take care of it now.

I am praying Mother Nature takes care of it. If she doesn't and we have to pinch one, do you all put the mare on regumate because of the PH change?

Thank you!

Home Again Farm

Jun. 7, 2008, 10:24 AM

Take care of it now. Actually it would have been even better to have done so on day 15 or 16. Much easier to pinch successfully early on than late.

Pinching can be irritating. The mare is generally put on Regumate, SMZ and banamine for a short period to be on the safe side.

FriesianX

Jun. 7, 2008, 10:31 AM

If your vet feels he/she can pinch one now, do it now! But if they are fixed, it may not be an option, then I vote for giving it a week or two. Nature often fixes such a problem, but if you go this route, you must, must, must re-ultrasound to ensure you don't end up with twins (which seems to always result in either later abortion or loss of mare or two very sick foals and sick mare).

acottongim

Jun. 7, 2008, 11:16 AM

So not enough info....

OK, IF they are touching in the same horn AND ONLY THEN would I wait to see what happens (search for threads on kissing twins, there was one very recently and I related my personal experience from last year that resulted in my 2008 filly, Ruby). BUT, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, YOU MUST REULTRASOUND MANY MANY TIMES TO MAKE VERY SURE THAT THERE IS NOT TWO FOALS (AND THIS GOES FOR SEVERAL MONTHS!!!!). Under no circumstances do you want twins in your mare without the risk of loosing one or both foals and/or the mare (I personally have only heard of a few twins surviving past 3 weeks, but I have personally known MANY that neither have survived).

If they are fixed, but not touching, you might wait till day 28 (and it MUST be day 28 and not later) and see what happens - if they are still there, abort both (that is the only way at that point) and retry. Past 30 days or so and you have lost your breeding season as the mare won't come back in for at minimum 120 days.

If they are not fixed pinch NOW, today on day 17. As Mary Lou said even now is late, would have been easier on day 15 or 16.

If you aren't going to commit to reultrasounding every few days/weeks and possibly months (I didn't have verification until day 90 that there was only one embryo remaining) then don't even bother, abort and start over. Ditto if you aren't willing to risk loosing your breeding season on that mare.

Good luck in whatever you choose.

Acertainsmile

Jun. 7, 2008, 11:33 AM

We just aborted twins in the same sac yesterday...it sucks, but better to just get it over with...my vet said no chance, so why wait?

avezan

Jun. 7, 2008, 11:38 AM

I had a mare that twinned with every breeding, even if only one follicle was found on ultrasound pre-breeding! We always pinched right away if possible. I only lost one pregnancy due to the pinching (although it could have been from anything!) A few years ago I bred the mare and then moved out of state. I had a terrible time finding a vet to come and ultrasound on day 15 and we didn't US until day 17. And, of course, the twins were attached and very close to each other. I ultrasounded again at 28 days and one was significantly smaller than the other. By 60 days the second was gone and I was lucky. If you can pinch, I suggest pinching now. Good luck.

Horsecrazy27

Jun. 7, 2008, 05:56 PM

The person who did the u/s was not a vet. and could not pinch it. SO, I have been trying to find a vet to come and do it---no one is available till next week. Bad timing. :( The vet I scheduled with told me to wait till next Friday --if it is there, we will try to pinch---then if doesn't work we will abort before she is 30 days. :( I don't want there to be a "heart beat"....won't do that. So, it will be taken care of if we can't get one to go away. I don't mind having an ultra sound as many times as necessary----my mare is the priority.

This all started with me having the wrong number saved on my phone for the vet I wanted to use for "repro". :( I have been leaving messages for him on a invalid number. That person (wrong number) called me back *issed off???????????? Said he is tired of me calling him about dirty things???? (semen/eggs/twins/aborting) I explained to him this was about a horse---he threatened harrassment. UGH. So the time between Wed-Friday I had found a person to do it when I thought he wasn't returning calls. :( When I finally got a hold of him on Friday he was too booked and was booked all weekend. SO, told me to find someone else. :( I'm so bummed. Amazing what 48 hours can do.

GOSH, jingle that this is taken care of by Mother Nature. :)

The twins were WAY far away from each other. One was way low and the other was up high--both the same size. It would of been a good time. SH*T.

What is meant to be is mean to be. I won't risk my girl. If the pinching doesn't work, just will wait till next year. If it does work and one stays okay--than it is meant for me to have a foal. I'll be sad---but, I'd be heart broken and have a life full of guilt if I hurt my girl.

YankeeLawyer

Jun. 7, 2008, 06:31 PM

There is NO other vet that can come out? You really don't have time to wait on this. And please don't say you won't pinch a twin if there is a heartbeat. Horses are not people. They are absolutely not equipped to carry twins safely. I think it is really irresponsible to allow a twin pregnancy to proceed to term.

CJ82Sky

Jun. 7, 2008, 09:11 PM

Horsecrazy27

Jun. 7, 2008, 09:11 PM

YankeeLawyer

Jun. 7, 2008, 09:17 PM

Hello,

I have contacted all the repro vets----I'm not a regular customer and so guess I'm not a priority. Soonest will be Monday.

No Yankee---I will not let a pregnancy get to a heart beat--I will take care of them before that happens is how I meant to say it. Another wards will take care of it on day 24 if there is still twins---we will attempt to pinch--U/S when the vet suggest to do so---if there is still twins, the pregnancy will be aborted. :( Won't do twins.

Ok, phew. Sorry, I didn't mean to jump on you, but your post panicked me!
What is up with those repro vets out there? This is a time-sensitive situation. UGH! I wish you were near me; I know my vet would help you out.

CJ82Sky

Jun. 7, 2008, 09:20 PM

It's sad that horses can't safely have twins - I'll be honest if it was safe I'd have been so excited, and while my mare is a maiden, and I haven't bred any of my personal horses before, I do have experience breeding as well as a degree in equine that included repo courses so I completely understand the risks and agree - if I have to abort I will, as I will not risk my mare.

I've known several twins over the years and the ones I knew were all sad stories. The one set where the twins both were born (seemingly) healthy lived several years til one day they found one dead in the field - no reason, vet couldn't fig it out. Best they could fig is that they hadn't fully developed internally and just had issues that the one twin eventually died, almost as if of old age, only it was just 4. The surviving twin is plauged with constant issues, from soundness to random health (poor immune system, etc.), and is also small even though both twins at birth were considered "normal" sized...

Knowing all this, despite the exciting though of how cool it would be to have a boy and girl (since eventually I want one of each from my mare by Mannhattan), realistically I know it's not an option. *sigh*

Hope things work out for you - please keep us posted and I'd be happy to do the same if anyone is interested.

YankeeLawyer

Jun. 7, 2008, 09:21 PM

Ack - now you have me all worried. My mare was ovulating 2 follicles same size same day when inseminated so we're going back on day 14 to confirm and check for twins. If we do have to pinch one, vet is already planning on it that day. I'll ask her this (she's a repo specialist) but was wondering does the mare HAVE to be on SMZs and meds after pinching?

Good luck with your mare! I hope everything works out for you.

One of my mares double ovulated this year (in separate horns), and we checked on Day 15 and expected to see twins -- which we did. My vet pinched one on the spot, and administered banamine right away afterwards (before she even left the breeding stocks). The mare was already on regumate, so we just continued with it and she will stay on it until at least 150 days.

My understanding is that you def. want to administer banamine after pinching b/c pinching can be irritating, and the banamine helps prevent losing the remaining embryo.

CJ82Sky

Jun. 7, 2008, 09:28 PM

One of my mares double ovulated this year (in separate horns), and we checked on Day 15 and expected to see twins -- which we did. My vet pinched one on the spot, and administered banamine right away afterwards (before she even left the breeding stocks). The mare was already on regumate, so we just continued with it and she will stay on it until at least 150 days.

My understanding is that you def. want to administer banamine after pinching b/c pinching can be irritating, and the banamine helps prevent losing the remaining embryo.

What about regumate? She's never been on it before and really is a great mare - less is more in my book and I prefer as little meds as poss, however also want to do what's in the best interest of the mare and embryo.

And yes - these are separate horns, and yes, I'll of course talk to my vet - just appreciate the opportunity to discuss and hear different points of view to learn more. Thank god my vet is so great as I've been bombarding her with questions as well!

FLIPPED HER HALO

Jun. 7, 2008, 09:28 PM

When we bred my mare last year in April she was checked at 14 days and had twins. I was a lot larger than the other so the vet figured nature would take it's course. At day 24 both were gone. :( I was so bummed.

But she had another good size follicle forming so we bred again shortly after that. At day 14 she had twins again, same size, so they pinched one off. Confirmed at day 24 one fetus and one heartbeat. And now I have my wonderful colt. My boyfriend teased me for a while saying maybe they pinced off the filly I was hoping for.

YankeeLawyer

Jun. 7, 2008, 09:42 PM

What about regumate? She's never been on it before and really is a great mare - less is more in my book and I prefer as little meds as poss, however also want to do what's in the best interest of the mare and embryo.

People have different views on using regumate. My mares are really nice, too. But we routinely use regumate if there is any reason to think it is needed in a particular situation. I don't take unnecessary chances.

CJ82Sky

Jun. 7, 2008, 09:47 PM

People have different views on using regumate. My mares are really nice, too. But we routinely use regumate if there is any reason to think it is needed in a particular situation. I don't take unnecessary chances.

Agreed on unnecessary chances! I'll def be talking to my vet more - but ty for the opinions. My only exp w/regumate was with a few very bitchy mares that were NOT being bred to help regulate their cycles and keep them less hormonal/"marish".

Horsecrazy27

Jun. 7, 2008, 11:41 PM

Ok, phew. Sorry, I didn't mean to jump on you, but your post panicked me!
What is up with those repro vets out there? This is a time-sensitive situation. UGH! I wish you were near me; I know my vet would help you out.

As stated above, if it were safe (in a fairy tale world) I'd of been excited......when I told my Mom (not a horsey person) I just got the words, "she has twins", she screamed---WOW...I'm so excited for you!! I had to stop her and say---well, that is really bad news. :( She was so sad and felt bad for a moment. But, again--no worries, she doesn't know.

I've been talking to Freckles and telling her that it is only safe for her to carry ONE baby and the other HAS to go. Hoping that she will get rid of one of her own. :) Who knows, may work. :)

charger

Jun. 8, 2008, 01:01 AM

We just went through this twinning thing. Three years with a barren mare and no physical reason as to why she won't settle. Finally get her pregnant this season with, you guessed it, twins! Our repro specialist was adamant that we must deal with twins by day 15. Our regular vet ultrasounded, found the twins in separate horns. Went straight to our specialist who, 6 hours later, found the twins hugging each other (those little buggers move really fast). So we patiently waited almost 2 1/2 hrs for the smaller embryo to 'swim' away and then she successfully pinched that one. A good dose of banamine, regumate and one week later on ultrasound the other twin is holding its own and there is no sign of the smaller one. We will check this mare every 10-14 days to be sure that the other one is definitely gone and she will stay on regumate for at least 120-150 days.

Good luck with yours, but be hasty on the vet thing. Twinning is a serious issue and the sooner it is dealt with the better chances you have of a successful pregnancy.

amdfarm

Jun. 8, 2008, 01:07 AM

Our vet has never had us give anything (med wise) to a mare after pinching off a twin, which he seemed to have to do for a few years in a row w/ a couple different mares that were prone to it. He pinches at 15 days also.

Good luck!!

Home Again Farm

Jun. 8, 2008, 01:31 PM

Most vets will put a mare on Regumate, Banamine and SMZ for a few days to a week post pinching a twin. The meds are to try to attempt the mare from aborting the remaining embryo. I wiould be inclined to do what the vet feels is best. The only time I ever had to have one pinched, we followed that regime and all went well.

YankeeLawyer

Jun. 8, 2008, 01:43 PM

Just to clarify re regumate -- you can't put a pregnant mare on it and just discontinue it abruptly. The mare needs to be weaned off it. I am sure Mary Lou was not suggesting otherwise, but I could see how someone reading that the course of meds is typically done for a week following pinching might not realize that the regumate has to be tapered off carefully.

As I said, my mare was already on it when we pinched, and she will stay on it.

Home Again Farm

Jun. 8, 2008, 02:59 PM

Absolutely weaned off. Sorry - very little sleep last night equals an unclear post. ;)

CJ82Sky

Jun. 11, 2008, 06:47 PM

Any updates on the pinching?

I got back to the vet Sat AM to confirm that my mare is in foal and if there are twins to pinch...will keep everyone posted. Crossing fingers for one and only one embryo!

Horsecrazy27

Jun. 12, 2008, 05:00 PM

Our appt is Fridat at 11. I'll keep you posted!

ljshorses

Jun. 12, 2008, 05:46 PM

By all means pinch if you can. I had a thread on here recently about my mare and her twin situation. Her's were on top of each other so we couldn't pinch. We opted to wait it out and we got lucky and nature resolved it by eliminating one of them. Mare so far is doing well. I have always pinched if they are farther apart as yours are. The closer they are together the more of a chance you have of Mother Nature helping out...yours sound like trouble since they are so far apart, the body may not see a problem until much later. I would also give her banamine at pinching and keep on Regumate until you see a heart beat and then wean off. We check very early for twins and u/s very often when we suspect them or see them so time is of the essence. Best wishes.

Horsecrazy27

Jun. 17, 2008, 10:15 AM

Hello,

Sorry was having computer problems and couldn't get back on here.

Last Friday was the vet check/re-ultra sound. There were still 2 babys in there and they were still very far apart. The vet pinched the bigger one????????? He did give her some banamine and I asked him about the regumate and he told me it was not needed. I told him about what I read, he still declined me. (new vet.) He is coming out again this Friday to make sure all is okay.

I'll keep you all posted. He did give me a print out of each baby before pinching and after.

Thank you all for your thoughts and wisdom.

clint

Jun. 17, 2008, 11:30 AM

Jingling for you that you have a surviving twin. How many days is the pregnancy?

Horsecrazy27

Jun. 17, 2008, 02:49 PM

Today is 28, we pinched on day 24.

THANK YOU for the jingles!!! :)

Blonde Filly

Jun. 18, 2008, 03:10 PM

I hope you have a heartbeat on your next check....few things from my experience and from someone who has had 3 mares have twins pinched this year.

1. 10 cc banamine IV ASAP
2. Regumate 10 cc ASAP before you leave the barn and continue until hearbeat recheck
3. you always want to pinch 22 days or earlier..the earlier the better
4. always pinch the smaller of the two
5. always wean off of regumate..I do one cc a day 10, 9, 8 ect until weaned off and I have had 100% sucess rate with above protocal.

I have had 3 done sucessfully by my Vet just this year..he thought a 4th one was, but was not 100% so wanted to recheck suspecting a cyst and it was a cyst..so glad he did not attempt to pinch one of those...I did have a vet pinch the only foal and the cyst was the only thing left...old vet that I no longer use.

I have also had my same Vet pinch like 3 last year, all resulted in foals this year. Two of my mares have had twins pinched 2 years in a row..so once they are known for twinning it will happen repeatedly in those mares.

I have never heard of pinching with no regumate!!!! :eek: And this is with several different Vets over the years, all specializing in repro work. Say your prayers your mare is still in foal on the next check!!!! Good luck and keep us posted!! :yes:

Jingles from VA!!!!

Horsecrazy27

Jun. 20, 2008, 10:02 PM

Hello

Update.

She still has one "baby", no heart beat could be seen, but it might be a bit early 31 days and it was really hard to see the screen as my place is in the raw right now as we just moved here and don't have the best set up for this sort of thing right now. (changing soon!!!)

The vet. said he is hoping this is not a cyst. GREAT!!!! I about fell over when he said that, thinking he pinched the foal and left the cycst. UGH! She is maiden and 4 ===he said it is unlikely for her to have a cyst, but wants to re-check next Friday. I'm thinking of waiting till day 45 instead--to get a clearer pic of what is happening. What do you all think?

He couldn't really see a foal in the "sack" either---it was more just black. SO, I'm not really sure what is going on. He did say, she had great "tone" and when he printed the photo he thinks he could see an ambilicle cord ===so, maybe it is just a bad photo and he said all things point to being pregnant, but with the sun--said, he wants to be sure. SIGH.

The one we pinched---no signs of that one anywhere---so that is good, I guess.

SO jingles that this IS a viable foal and is healthy and stays that way!

Thank you!

Faiths CremelloWB

Jun. 21, 2008, 10:25 PM

Good luck and hope she hangs on for you.

I am told I may be faced with this scenario on two mare in a couple weeks. I bred two mares with frozen semen and both mares double ovulated. So there is a good chance they could twin. I hope not; but we will be checking 14 days to find out.

In the past we have had to pinch about 5 twins and all remained pregnant with regumate given for 10 days.

Blonde Filly

Jun. 21, 2008, 10:35 PM

Equine Reproduction

Jun. 21, 2008, 10:47 PM

1. 10 cc banamine IV ASAP

Not necessarily. Banamine is a prostaglandin inhibitor, so obviously if the pinching is difficult, it's recommended.

2. Regumate 10 cc ASAP before you leave the barn and continue until hearbeat recheck.

Again, you'll get different schools of thought on the use of Regumate when pinching a twin. I don't use it. One theory is that it helps to keep the cervix closed. It also helps if there is prostaglandin released and the CL is subsequently lysed. But, if that's the case, the mare would probably need to be on Regumate until 120 or so days.

I'm of the thought that if you pinch twins and the remaining one doesn't survive, I don't want to keep the cervix closed. And, if the CL is lysed, giving it for a few days probably isn't going to do much good. But, it's one of those things that is a personal preference.

3. you always want to pinch 22 days or earlier..the earlier the better

While pinching earlier is always better, you have up to about day 32 to pinch a twin before you run into problems with the endometrial cups forming. Once the cups have formed, the mare probably won't return to estrus should the pregnancy be lost. But, there's no real reason to pinch "by" day 22.

4. always pinch the smaller of the two

Nope. Again different schools of thought. I will pinch the one that is easiest to pinch. Some will pinch smaller, some will pinch larger. But, think of it this way. Inflate two small balloons, one with more air than the other. Which one is easier to "pop"? My goal is to be as gentle and least invasive as possible. But you "do" want to be sure that cysts have been mapped so you know if you are indeed pinching a twin and not a cyst.

5. always wean off of regumate..I do one cc a day 10, 9, 8 ect until weaned off and I have had 100% sucess rate with above protocal.

<grin>...Well, I don't follow your protocol and have a high success rate. Obviously, not every twin pregnancy is going to survive. But, again there are different protocols and one isn't necessarily "better" than another. Just a different way of doing things.

I have never heard of pinching with no regumate!!!! :eek: And this is with several different Vets over the years, all specializing in repro work. Say your prayers your mare is still in foal on the next check!!!! Good luck and keep us posted!! :yes:

Jingles from VA!!!!

See above. Many, many vets don't use Regumate and you can see my explanation above as to why. I don't and have pretty darn close to 100% success rate without using it. But, I'm also pretty careful and if I can't pinch a twin relatively easily, I'll try again the next day. It's truly a personal preference. I try to use as little hormonal manipulation as possible.

To the OP, heartbeat can be seen at around day 23. Waiting until day 23 is also sometimes suggested if one is concerned that one of the "twins" may be a cyst. Cysts don't develop heartbeats <smile>. But with regards to the use of Regmate/Banamine/SMZ's protocol, it truly is a personal preference and certainly not one to disparage the attending vet for NOT following. I'd be more concerned about the possibility that the vet may have pinched an embryo and left a cyst :o(.

Hope that helps!

Kathy St.Martin
Equine Reproduction Short Courses
http://www.equine-reproduction.com

Blonde Filly

Jun. 21, 2008, 10:55 PM

Equine Reproduction

Jun. 22, 2008, 09:41 AM

Gosh sorry I even posted....I've just got it all wrong..but had always worked for me with 2 different repro vets...oh well...guess I'm just very lucky!!! :yes: And for the pinching the smaller one that is if it is easy to get too..if the small one is hard to get to then yes the larger one. But I do think at 32 days there "should" be a heartbeat..but maybe not??? :confused:

<smile>...Not necessarily wrong, but it's NOT an absolute and I hate to see someone told that they or their vet is doing something wrong because it's not the same way as someone else is doing it. As my father would say <sad smile> "There's more than one way to kill a cat than kissing it to death".

Hope that helps!

Kathy St.Martin
Equine Reproduction Short Courses
http://www.equine-reproduction.com

YankeeLawyer

Jun. 22, 2008, 12:12 PM

Blonde Filly, the protocol you described is closer to what we do; it is the protocol I prefer and am comfortable with. But, I know there are other approaches and that when it comes to the use of regumate in particular, people have different views on whether it should be used.

Horsecrazy27

Jun. 22, 2008, 06:55 PM

Do you all think I should wait till day 45 to have her re-ultrasounded---or do it this Friday to see if it is a foal or cyst?

I have friend telling me to wait till day 45 then we will have a sure sign of what things are as it doesn't change much in just one week.

Now, I'm a bit sad.

I just hope it isn't a cyst and he pinched the foal. :( New vet, maiden mare.

the person I originally had ultra sound her said that they both looked identical and both looked like babys---she said, she was 99% sure they were both babys. Who knows.

goodmorning

Jun. 22, 2008, 07:06 PM

Well, having just been at the vet on thursday with the vet pinching twins, I can say that she spent a long time making sure that she could see an umblical and a heartbeat before choosing which one to get rid of. In this case, one was much smaller and no visible heartbeat, but still floating around, possibly dieing off so it was the one to go....

I really think you should have seen the heatbeat the other day, was it possible it was there, she saw it, and just didn't mention it??

I would take another look ASAP, I am not patient enough to wait until day 45. Not to mention wasting time is wasting money, ultimately, so that's another thing to consider.

Horsecrazy27

Jun. 22, 2008, 07:33 PM

The vet. said he felt pretty good, but wishes he could of seen the heart beat. The sun was very bright and not much shade to see the screen. So, he is still thinking positive. Yea--think I'll do it this Friday too. Won't be rebreeding this year if she is not pregnant though---too H O T.

KATHY--THANK YOU for the info.

Equine Reproduction

Jun. 22, 2008, 08:58 PM

Do you all think I should wait till day 45 to have her re-ultrasounded---or do it this Friday to see if it is a foal or cyst?

It depends. Are you planning on rebreeding her this season if she's not pregnant? If you are planning on re-breeding then definitely, have her checked sooner. And, things "do" change rapidly at this stage of the game in a week. Think of how much an embryo grows between 14 days and 23 days. You go from a small round black circle to a heartbeat!

Edited to add Oops!! Didn't see your post before I responded. Either way...good luck!

Good luck!

Kathy St.Martin
Equine Reproduction Short Courses
http://www.equine-reproduction.com

YankeeLawyer

Jun. 23, 2008, 12:09 AM

Well, having just been at the vet on thursday with the vet pinching twins, I can say that she spent a long time making sure that she could see an umblical and a heartbeat before choosing which one to get rid of. In this case, one was much smaller and no visible heartbeat, but still floating around, possibly dieing off so it was the one to go....

How long did you wait to pinch, though? My mare double ovulated this year and at Day 15 showed twins; we pinched the smaller one successfully. But on Day 15 it is too early to see any heartbeats.

goodmorning

Jun. 23, 2008, 12:55 AM

How long did you wait to pinch, though? My mare double ovulated this year and at Day 15 showed twins; we pinched the smaller one successfully. But on Day 15 it is too early to see any heartbeats.

;) Well, that was the mare with triplets, so one was reduced at day ~21, and then one day~29-30...;) Not a typical case, should have mentioned the triplets originally :lol:

YankeeLawyer

Jun. 23, 2008, 01:45 AM

;) Well, that was the mare with triplets, so one was reduced at day ~21, and then one day~29-30...;) Not a typical case, should have mentioned the triplets originally :lol:

Wow, and I thought *my* mare was an overachiever!

clint

Jun. 23, 2008, 10:31 AM

Wow, and I thought *my* mare was an overachiever!

After my mare who twinned was aborted, ultrasound revealed three CLs, so she clearly wants to have a litter.:(

Horsecrazy27

Jun. 30, 2008, 02:47 PM

Update....

Day 41, there is a "sack", and it is much larger, but no baby in it. :( No heart beat can be seen.

He thinks now the body was getting rid of this one and we pinched the viable one. Sh*t, makes me wish I would of waited to see if Mother Nature would of taken care of it on her own. Oh well.

Since we are not rebreeding this year, we are going to U/S her again around 65-70 days to see what is happening with it.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

I'm so bummed. Oh well.

clint

Jun. 30, 2008, 03:06 PM

I'm sorry, I know how disappointing it is. I have, of course, second guessed my approach to twinning both this year and last, which has resulted in a barren mare for two years. Don't beat yourself up; from personal experience I can tell you that it just doesn't do any good. Just start early next year. :)

Horsecrazy27

Jun. 30, 2008, 03:31 PM

Thank you. I know, I'm so frusterated.

So, will is the normal for such a "pregnancy"? I should of talked to the vet, but I was pretty bummed and didn't want to talk then.

Anyone know? How long does this take to go away?

Horsecrazy27

Jun. 30, 2008, 04:30 PM

I just got off the phone with a tech that does around 50-70 u/s a day (she isn't suppose to be doing it, but she does on the side for extra cash---she went to school in CO and was a vet. tech for 20 years--no flaming please.) Anyway, she says that sometimes things are not that obvious and the fact it is growing, she has excellent tone that I should still have "hope". She said her own personal mare that is aged has multiple cysts and that she didn't see the baby till day 70 on her. She saw the sack getting bigger and bigger, but no baby---then boom, baby. She said that she has seen this often, not every mare is the same and that she feels there is still hope.

So, I'm "hoping". :)

Horsecrazy27

Jul. 16, 2008, 06:29 PM

I had "Freckles" re-checked" today, she is NOT pregnant. :(

She is also in major heat!!! (this she showed AFTER she was checked). Oh well, better safe than sorry.

I kinda wish we would of waited till day 30 to pinch. The doc feels that one was on its way out and we (he) pinched the wrong one. I was looking at both folicles and the one he pinched you oculd see the "cord" (well it looks like that anyway) the other one was very empty. He reviewed this and said the same. SO, he made the mistake and picked the wrong one to pinch off. UGH.

OH WELL, God has a plan and it doesn't include me having a foal next year. He knows whats best for me right now.