Newest Pictures of Splash/Flaxen ? Tail?? Pg 3

[Castlegate]

You guys may remember...Pilsner was born bay with tons of chrome! 4 high whites and a big white blaze...he of course had baby white on belly and his tail was mostly white with a black streak...

we thought he would outgrow the white in tail and belly areas....

well...his tail is getting more white....is it possible this isnt going away?

[FLIPPED HER HALO]

I think he got Aiden's tail and we got yours! I'll trade ya our plain black one. :lol:

[RiddleMeThis]

You guys may remember...Pilsner was born bay with tons of chrome! 4 high whites and a big white blaze...he of course had baby white on belly and his tail was mostly white with a black streak...

we thought he would outgrow the white in tail and belly areas....

well...his tail is getting more white....is it possible this isnt going away?
He was born with a white tail? Pink skin? That sounds EXACTLY like splash. Can we see pictures PLEASE!!!:D

And YES it is COMPLETELY possible it wont go away. Ill take her/him off your hands if you cant stand to look at it. :D

[shea'smom]

Hellloooo!!!!????
Pictures??

[JB]

Yes, pictures please!! And pics of Mom and Dad too :D

[RiddleMeThis]

Yes, pictures please!! And pics of Mom and Dad too :D
:yes::yes::yes::yes: And any other full siblings, and grandparents lol

[Castlegate]

Ok - here are a few that show his tail as best I can find...these are two weeks old but its only getting more white..

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/Castlegatefarms/PilsnerEating.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/Castlegatefarms/PilsnerinTallGrass.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/Castlegatefarms/Pilsner3weeks.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/Castlegatefarms/PilsnerandTree.jpg

and this is what it looked like at a day old
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/Castlegatefarms/Pilsner4-26FirstOuting009.jpg

[Castlegate]

Oh, sorry - no other full siblings...DJ is chestnut as you can see with lots of chrome as well...Sire is Pablo.....

[JB]

He and mom both look like Splash is a definite possibility. How COOL will it be if he's this handsome bay with all that chrome AND a white tail!

This does look a bit more dramatic than the normal baby light/white tail hairs.

If you can get a better closeup of the tail, that would be great. Who is daddy?

[JB]

We posted on top of each other, I see daddy is Pablo. IMHO, knowing more about Splash than I used, to, Pablo is a minimal Splash as well.

[Castlegate]

What is Splash? I dont think he has pink skin...except on his face where his blaze is....mom has that too...

[Castlegate]

I'll take some new pics today...he is 6 weeks old today and his tail is actually more white today then in these pictures...older he gets less black in the tail....

[JB]

All of his white markings have pink skin.

Very interesting that his tail is getting whiter still.

Splash is a pinto pattern that, in it's "yep, that's Splash" form, looks like the horse was dipped in white paint What this translates to is a bottom-heavy face white, or face white that "falls" off the side, and when it comes to leg markings, the white/color line is fairly horizontal. That horizontal leg white is easily seen in the foal, his dam, and in Pablo (and in Pablo's sire).

It can also, as the only or one of the only small signs, make a tail white. Often it's the bottom of the tail (end of tail got dipped in white) but it can be the whole tail as well.

[RiddleMeThis]

Ditto Jb....what breed is mom?

[Castlegate]

Mom is Trakehner....

[LetsChat]

Looks to me like it will end up being flaxen, not really white like a pinto would have. I have seen it before on bays, usually if they roan out at the top of the tail. I think it is going to be eye-catching.

[RiddleMeThis]

Mom is Trakehner....
Hmmm I agree that it does not look like a white pinto tail. Everything looks splashy about him, but that tail does not look "splash tailed" it looks like flaxen.

Its probably just baby hair, but if its getting more than....hmmm....is pablo Ee or EE?

Im wondering if he is not bay at all, but chestnut...like this one http://foto.mail.ru/mail/lankaster77/56/i-60.jpg

[Castlegate]

You can be chestnut with a black mane?

[RiddleMeThis]

You can be chestnut with a black mane?

If he is chestnut its more of a really really really really dark brown than black, but yes. Not incredibly common in most breeds (with some exceptions, welsh if I am remembering correctly) but :yes: definitely possible.

[RiddleMeThis]

Another VERY VERY VERY VERY slim option is silver. I think that is at like .00000000000001% chance, but still.

[JB]

If Silver isn't in the Traks, then it can't be that, as Mom couldn't be hiding it, and Pablo clearly isn't Silver.

[RedMare01]

I've seen other Pablo babies with the same tail. It must be a trait of his.

Caitlin

[JB]

Redmare, that is very interesting. Any pictures by chance? Do you recall what other white markings they had, if any?

[Castlegate]

I actually emailed Edgar about it and he said he was not aware of it being a Pablo thing....

[Castlegate]

RedMare - were the tails still white as adults?

[RiddleMeThis]

If Silver isn't in the Traks, then it can't be that, as Mom couldn't be hiding it, and Pablo clearly isn't Silver.:yes: Yep that is why i said its a slim chance lol

[RiddleMeThis]

I've seen other Pablo babies with the same tail. It must be a trait of his.

Caitlin
I remembered thinking this when I found out the baby was by pablo. "Wasnt another baby of his like this too?

[genevieveg17]

Doesn't Paparazzo (by Pablo) have a lot of white or silver in his tail?

[genevieveg17]

http://www.onthebitfarm.com/paparazimag.htm

[summerhorse]

It looks like flaxen or sabino dilution to me. He's just too young to say for sure now but splash white tails look like they have been dipped in a bucket of paint and this little guy's looks like it shades down. Just doesn't look white enough.

[Castlegate]

Interesting Genevieve - that looks awfully similar!

[Castlegate]

WOW! I just saw that Papparazzo is out of a mare named Dejavu - so is Pilsner! Not the same Dejavu of course but how weird is that???

[RedMare01]

I don't know if they stayed as they got older, but they looked as if they would. I believe railmom that posts here had a colt with a light tail by Pablo, and so did someone else that posted not long ago.

Caitlin

[railmom]

Yes! I had a colt by Pablo that had a silver steak in his tail with very few other markings. He is two now and I understand he still has it.

[ImJumpin]

Here is another by Pablo. Not the best picture of his tail, but there most certainly is white in his tail! Not sure what became of this fellow, so I can't tell you if he still has the white in the tail :) He was one of two foals my old mare had in Germany before being imported (also before Pablo was imported):

http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/3673/1153369062056638037S600x600Q85.jpg

[RiddleMeThis]

Well seeing these its most likely gray tail.....however I have never seen it be on a newborn, it normally comes later....hmmm

[spacely]

It looks like flaxen or sabino dilution to me. He's just too young to say for sure now but splash white tails look like they have been dipped in a bucket of paint and this little guy's looks like it shades down. Just doesn't look white enough.

Hmmm....interesting. I had an Escapade colt here for the winter who's tip of the tail is white. It literally looks like it was dipped in a bucket of paint. He is definitely sabino with 4 high whites, a big blaze, & lower lip white. I know there is another colt by Escapade that also has a white tail. He is bay.

[RiddleMeThis]

Hmmm....interesting. I had an Escapade colt here for the winter who's tip of the tail is white. It literally looks like it was dipped in a bucket of paint. He is definitely sabino with 4 high whites, a big blaze, & lower lip white. I know there is another colt by Escapade that also has a white tail. He is bay.

That sounds a lot like splash. Do you have any pictures?

[spacely]

Of course I do. ;) He is owned by a friend. There are a few more pics on my website below.

Taken about a month ago:
http://inlinethumb58.webshots.com/42745/2922892110055984573S600x600Q85.jpg
At a few a few hours old:
http://inlinethumb58.webshots.com/6073/2515613680055984573S600x600Q85.jpg
6 weeks old:
http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/3303/2190966910055984573S600x600Q85.jpg

Here is the other Escapade colt I mentioned.
http://www.barringtonhill.com/equinox.html

[RiddleMeThis]

Wow beautiful splash!!! All sorts of splash warmbloods are popping up now!

[RiddleMeThis]

Here is the other Escapade colt I mentioned.
http://www.barringtonhill.com/equinox.html
That one is.....interesting...not sure whats causing that....what color is mom? Are you 100% positive he is bay?

[spacely]

I have no idea. I have never seen him, just happened to remember there was another Escapade with a light tail. His dam is gray. The pics scroll over to the right. Looks bay to me but who knows.

[RiddleMeThis]

Looks bay, and chestnut. It sort of changes from picture to picture. That tail looks VERY flaxen, and then the bay points end up getting clipped away. A few things say chestnut, but many more say bay, so he probably is bay, just an odd one.

[JB]

That one is.....interesting...not sure whats causing that....what color is mom? Are you 100% positive he is bay?

He actually looks like a Wild Silver Bay. I'd love to see his mane unbraided.

[RiddleMeThis]

He actually looks like a Wild Silver Bay. I'd love to see his mane unbraided.
:yes: He does, but his sire definitely isnt (...maybe...) silver and his dam is too gray to be silver plus gray.

[spacely]

Another Escapade with a light tail.

http://www.equine.com/horses-for-sale/horse-ad-477988.aspx?lid=477988&search_id=5ba7da96-cf5a-4174-b674-f985d1733528

Video on the owner's website.
http://www.hiddenmeadowsfarmva.com/atthestables

[Mel0309]

Here is the other Escapade colt I mentioned.
http://www.barringtonhill.com/equinox.html


I've seen this colt in person. He looks very bay in person just with a light tail. Did very well in the hunter breeding down here last year!

[goeslikestink]

he wouldnt be classed as bay over here as he doesnt have any black points they all white
so hes classed as chesnut

[JB]

he wouldnt be classed as bay over here as he doesnt have any black points they all white
so hes classed as chesnut

What sense does that make? Do you agree with that?

[okggo]

I had a flaxen chestnut whose mane was so dark it looked black. It was layered too, dark brown on the outside an the inside looked black. Her tail was the same way, the far interior looked black and it faded out to blonde. She was most def. a chestnut. Liver chestnut with flaxen...could be...he sure looks chestnut to me in the pictures.

Is he shedding anywhere yet? I'd be tempted to clip a little patch on him and see what color is underneath...

[Marex2]

Attached is a picture of a bay Pablo filly "Priceless" that I bred and sold. She is an '07 model, born with a silver/white tail with a black center, and it has just gotten more colorful. The four high whites are present also. "Pepper" got her tail from Pablo, although her dam is also sabino.
I loved that filly, she is showing out West in the Hunter Breeding classes with her owner and doing very well!!!!
Your colt's tail will remain white/silver and black..CONGRATS! He is very nice with all that chrome!!!!
Rose~

[Castlegate]

Ok, all....I took about 50 pics over the weekend and when I uploaded they were so dark you couldnt see any of them...

But I got to really looking at Pilsner and his mom last night AND made some interesting discoveries.

I am embarrassed to say that I never noticed a very small flaxen stripe in mom's tail! Its kind of buried and I guess I never paid attention..

So then I started thinking maybe Pilsner is chestnut...so I started looking at his mane closely...its definitely black...but it also has some reddish brown hairs mixing in now...sun bleaching??

Then I started looking for black points as he has not had any yet...and I found some...the tips of his ears appear to have black points...still nothing on his legs in terms of points...just the reddish brown and all that white!

So then I looked around his eyes which is the only area that is really shedding out his foal coat...and it looks like liver chestnut? Could he be going liver chestnut? Or are the black points indicitive that is in fact bay?

Does it matter than his mom's dam is gray?? Maybe some funky silver gene??

[spacely]

Attached is a picture of a bay Pablo filly "Priceless" that I bred and sold. She is an '07 model, born with a silver/white tail with a black center, and it has just gotten more colorful. The four high whites are present also. "Pepper" got her tail from Pablo, although her dam is also sabino.
I loved that filly, she is showing out West in the Hunter Breeding classes with her owner and doing very well!!!!
Your colt's tail will remain white/silver and black..CONGRATS! He is very nice with all that chrome!!!!
Rose~

She is droolworthy! I hope my Pablo turns out as nice as she did. Now if my mare would just catch (she is a chestnut sabino)... Who is she showing with out here? PM me if you don't want to say publically.

[au_panda]

I have 2 offspring by Pikadero. The gelding has a tail with an extension of his black dorsal stripe down the middle with silver on the sides, he is a bay ( you can see his tail in the pictures on our website). The filly has much more of a tan colored tail, with the dorsal stripe extension being a dark brown. She is a light bay. Pikadero was a Hanoverian stallion as are Escapade, Pablo and his son Paparazzo. All of these stallions have a common ancestor of Goldschlaeger I who is listed as chestnut. Pikadero and Escapade both have Gotthard, who was grey and Pablo, and therefore Paparazzo, have grey through a Westfalien, Perseus. So, this could be either a commonality through Goldschlaeger I or an independent expression through the grey lines. I wish we actually knew where it came from as I enjoy the added splash of color. I think all the young ones pictured ont this thread are all the more stunning for their tails.

[JB]

Does it matter than his mom's dam is gray?? Maybe some funky silver gene??

If neither mom nor dad are gray (and they aren't) it doesn't matter that mom's dam is gray. Silver is completely different. Silver on a chestnut doesn't show anything, and the Traks don't have it anyway. Silver on black or bay is pretty obvious, and Pablo doesn't show it. So, Silver isn't there.

Your best bet it is to have him tested for Extension and Agouti. That will show whether he's bay or chestnut. Then, the white is all up for debate - I still say it's Splash doing the tail like that. When the tail is involved in an otherwise questionable Splash, it seems to be just the tip, and very recognizable. But, there is nothing that says the while tailbone, or most of it, couldn't have been dipped in "white paint". This leaves room for upper tailbone colored hairs to mix in, even minimally, to create a silvery/light gray/etc type of color. JMHO :)

[Castlegate]

Alrighty - here are some better pics of tail at 6.5 weeks...also took a head shot and one full body...so? Do we think its staying like this?? ( I hope so!)

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/Castlegatefarms/PilsnerTailAgain.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/Castlegatefarms/Pilsner65weeks.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/Castlegatefarms/PilsnerTail65weeks.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/Castlegatefarms/PilsnerHeadShot.jpg

[trakmom]

Oh, I'll just take all that worry off your mind, and I'll take him. :)

[railmom]

That is exactly how my Pablo colt looked at that age! Everyone said it was "baby tail" and he would grow out of it, but it was white right down to the roots. I say it is staying!!! Congrats it is special :)

I think if you watch the Pablo video closely, you see a flash of silver in his tail!

[Silly Mommy]

He is bay ---- with a funky colored tail.

If you get really curious, clip his knee hair - you will find black underneath.

[RiddleMeThis]

That is exactly how my Pablo colt looked at that age! Everyone said it was "baby tail" and he would grow out of it, but it was white right down to the roots. I say it is staying!!! Congrats it is special :)

I think if you watch the Pablo video closely, you see a flash of silver in his tail!
Does he have pink skin where that white grows into the roots?

[Equilibrium]

I was wondering if you all could tell me if my bay filly is possibly Splash. This might not be the best picture to tell but you can see the white in her tail and the bottom of her blaze widens out and goes under her chin. She's actually a very light red bay color.

Thanks
Terri

http://www.chronicleofmyhorse.com/photo/photo/show?id=1971868%3APhoto%3A86118&context=user

[RiddleMeThis]

I was wondering if you all could tell me if my bay filly is possibly Splash. This might not be the best picture to tell but you can see the white in her tail and the bottom of her blaze widens out and goes under her chin. She's actually a very light red bay color.

Thanks
Terri

http://www.chronicleofmyhorse.com/photo/photo/show?id=1971868%3APhoto%3A86118&context=user
Its definitely possible, but I would like to see a better picture of the tail as it could be "gray tail"

[Equilibrium]

Thank you,
I will get some better ones today!

Terri

[amdfarm]

Yep, I still say bay. He's so dang cute regardless of what color he is and that tail is neat if it stays like that. It may or may not.

[okggo]

I've never had a black mane sunbleach red? If you are 110% sure the mane is black and not extremely dark brown, I guess bay it is. To me, in the photos, it looks the same color as his dams tail. But you see him in "true" color so would certainly be the better judge of it...

He is so cute :) Loff him!!

[Castlegate]

Okggo - its not really sunbleaching red...but at the very root there is a single row of red hair....like whisps....

his mom's tail is a definite red - they arent even close in real life...his mane is for sure black right now.

His ears are shedding near black...so I am pretty certain he will be a dark bay...

[hessy35]

Alrighty - here are some better pics of tail at 6.5 weeks...also took a head shot and one full body...so? Do we think its staying like this?? ( I hope so!)

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/Castlegatefarms/PilsnerTailAgain.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/Castlegatefarms/Pilsner65weeks.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/Castlegatefarms/PilsnerTail65weeks.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/Castlegatefarms/PilsnerHeadShot.jpg

Awww, what a cutie!!! I say he's a splash! Congrats!!

[FriesianX]

I've never had a black mane sunbleach red?


Oh, I have had manes, tails, entire horses (that are true black) sunbleach red. Most black will sunbleach to red or "yellow". The red tends to be more of a magenta, a touch of purple to it.

[RiddleMeThis]

Awww, what a cutie!!! I say he's a splash! Congrats!!
No. Thats not a splash tail. I dont know what it is but it isnt splash.:lol:

Here is a picture of a splash tail on a baby thanks to Glen Hill Farm.
http://www.glenhillfarm.com/RealityCheck3.JPG

Difference is its dipped from the tip of the tail up. In hers theres going to be no black stripe running through the center. Its solid white. Also difference is that tail is WHITE while this one is grayish silver flaxen color.

Here are a few more dipped tails for comparison.
This one isnt on a baby but you can see what I mean about black not going through it.
http://www.icelandichorse.is/sletta.jpg

And you can see it here on TrueColours splashed TBs
http://www.whitehorseproductions.com/images/TBcolor/splash_heywhatthe_bubba2.jpg

[Equilibrium]

By your description I know now my filly isn't splash, but she definitely has the silver flaxen tail.

Is there anything special about that type of coloring or what? It's a nice pretty tail at any rate and the color is cool enough.

Terri

[RiddleMeThis]

By your description I know now my filly isn't splash, but she definitely has the silver flaxen taili
It could just be a very generous amount of baby flaxen. Although Im not sure why your getting more of it...:confused:

[Equilibrium]

Here's one of her as a yearling last year.

http://www.chronicleofmyhorse.com/photo/photo/show?id=1971868%3APhoto%3A86816&context=user


My getting good pics of her tail today were not great attempts although more can be found of her tail at the link below.

Terri

[amdfarm]

Oh, I have had manes, tails, entire horses (that are true black) sunbleach red. Most black will sunbleach to red or "yellow". The red tends to be more of a magenta, a touch of purple to it.

Same here, but mostly just the bottom of the mane or tail, not the entire thing. It's most noticable on my gelding since he's got quite a long mane and isn't real thick. He's what I call a "red bay" since his coat has that copper look to it in the summer when he's slick and shiny, like now. I don't notice the sunbleaching as much on the black bays, except for their bodies. I have one that looks almost brindle because of his bleached coat on his regular coat.