MECKLENBURGS

[gubbyz]

SO I have the opportunity to bred a Selle Francias mare to a Mecklenburg stallion. Can anyone tell me the registration possibilities for this cross, and are there rules for naming the baby? (letter of stallions name?) the stallion is IHF nominated and OLD approved.

[faluut42]

If your mare gets approved ISR/Old. NA then the foal can be registered in that.

Is is Aloha?

[Hillside H Ranch]

I can't help much, but I have a Mecklenburg mare that is going to a GOV inspection and although she is bred to a Holsteiner the resulting foal will be GOV registered.
I would assume that you need to find out what registries the stallion is approved for and then have the mare inspected by one of those registries.

[DownYonder]

SO I have the opportunity to bred a Selle Francias mare to a Mecklenburg stallion. Can anyone tell me the registration possibilities for this cross, and are there rules for naming the baby? (letter of stallions name?) the stallion is IHF nominated and OLD approved.

He is OLD approved - as in Oldenburg (GOV)? If so, you will need to take the mare to an Oldenburg inspection and get her approved into one of the mare books in order for the foal to be eligible for Oldenburg registration papers. I would verify with the office that the stallion is approved. There are some stallions marketed as "Oldenburg-approved" when they are approved with ISR/ONA but not OLDENBURG. Or you can PM with the name of the stallion and I can check for you.

[faluut42]

He is OLD approved - as in Oldenburg (GOV)? If so, you will need to take the mare to an Oldenburg inspection and get her approved into one of the mare books in order for the foal to be eligible for Oldenburg registration papers. I would verify with the office that the stallion is approved. There are some stallions marketed as "Oldenburg-approved" when they are approved with ISR/ONA but not OLDENBURG. Or you can PM with the name of the stallion and I can check for you.

Very good point, Oldenburg (GOV) and ISR/Old N.A. are two diffrent registrys.

When someone says a horse is approved Oldenburg they should be refering to GOV (even if they arent).

I assume it is Aloha becuase he is the only mecklinburg stallion in the US approved with ISR/Old. N.A. and nominated IHF.

[grayfox]

The baby would be registered ISR/Oldenburg so the naming would be the stallions first initial.

[Tiki]

2 years is the limit for registration. Mare and 2yo will have to be presented this year. The 2yo will also need to be DNA tested for parentage since it is no longer a foal with its Mum. The can still inspect without DNA testing, but the 2yo won't be finalized and registered without completion of the parentage testing. Do you by any chance also have the breeding certificate for the parents breeding?

[gubbyz]

Mare is not bred yet. She is reg. Selle Francais. I have her papers from France. She is by Uzelien. Can the baby also be reg SF? And do I still need to get her approved by OLD? Also what is the difference between OLD/GOV and the ISR? Oh sooo much to learn!

[faluut42]

Mare is not bred yet. She is reg. Selle Francais. I have her papers from France. She is by Uzelien. Can the baby also be reg SF? And do I still need to get her approved by OLD? Also what is the difference between OLD/GOV and the ISR? Oh sooo much to learn!

No the foal couldnt be registered SF. Since the stallion is not approved SF and there is no NASFA anymore.

You would have to get her approved with which ever registry the stallion is approved with.

ISR/Old. N.A. and Oldenburg or (GOV) are two completely separate registrys.

The two used to be combined but was split up a while ago. So it depends on which registry the stallion is approved with.

[Dressage_Diva333]

No the foal couldnt be registered SF. Since the stallion is not approved SF and there is no NASFA anymore.

You can still register Selle Francais's, you just have to go through the French National Stud, which in my opinion, makes the breed that much more Elite.

[DownYonder]

Mare is not bred yet. She is reg. Selle Francais. I have her papers from France. She is by Uzelien. Can the baby also be reg SF? And do I still need to get her approved by OLD? Also what is the difference between OLD/GOV and the ISR? Oh sooo much to learn!

Oldenburg (GOV) is the official North American department of the German Oldenburg Verband. It operates under the name The Oldenburg Horse Breeders Society, with headquarters in the Verband office in Germany and in West Palm Beach, Florida. ISR/ONA is a totally separate registry that was the N.A. licensee of the Verband until 1996, when the Verband elected to not renew ISR's license for various reasons. The Verband subsequently formed The Oldenburg Horse Breeders Society as its official North American department.

Who is the stallion? I can check and see if he is approved by Oldenburg (GOV).

[tri]

Yes, gubbyz, the whole entire system here in the U.S. is absolutely nuts, stupid, ridiculous, laughable, and any other word you want to interject into the mix. Please keep in mind that they don't do this in europe to breed, register, approve and track warmbloods. This is an American phenomenon. Americans are so intent on having a boutique european name, that they have mucked up the entire system here.

What most countries do is set up their own warmblood studbook and warmbloods from around the world are approved into that studbook. The resulting offspring are recorded as a product of that one studbook. For example, in Oldenburg, someone may go to Hanover and buy a Hanoverian but they approve the horse into the Oldenburg studbook and call the resulting offspring an Oldenburg - they do not set up the Oldenburg Hanoverian Society as a general rule of thumb. Can you imagine if the european were doing what the Americans were doing? Can you imagine just how many "registries" there would be then?

Oldenburg Hanoverian Society
Oldenburg Holsteiner Society
Oldenburg Belgian WB Society
Oldenburg Selle Francias Society
Oldenburg Dutch Warmblood Society
Oldenburg Russian Warmblood Society
Oldenburg Swiss Warmblood Society
Oldenburg Mecklenburg Society
Oldenburg Swedish Warmblood Society
Oldenburg Rhinelander Society
Oldenburg RPSI Society

Ok, now on to Hanover;

Hanoverian Oldenburg Society
Hanoverian Holsteiner Society
Hanoverian Belgian WB Society

well, you get the picture. It is nuts.

[gubbyz]

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