Picking a registry... pros and cons?

[retired4now]

I have a coming 2 yr old filly by FreedomZ out of a TB mare that I am looking to register. Without inducing drama around here, can someone help me out on the pros/cons of these registeries, and what hoops I am going to have to jump through to get this done?

CSHA
CWHBA - although I can't seem to find dad on either of these 2 approved lists... Thoughts on what I need to do on this would be helpful, but it would seem to exclude them as the MOST viable options...

Old NA
AHS
GOV

Basically I would like to register her so that *if* I decide to breed her down the road, her foals are also registerable, and I was also considering showing her on the line just get her out and about. *IF* she were to be able to qualify for the RAWF next year for the cups that would be a bonus, but it isn't a deal breaker.

Tips and advice on this one would be helpful. Thanks in advance!

[DownYonder]

If your filly's dam wasn't ever inspected into the Oldenburg (GOV) mare books, they aren't going to give you regular registration papers for your girl. The best you could do is a Certificate of Pedigree, which would allow her to compete for Oldenburg awards, but it would not allow her entry into the Main Mare Book when you get ready to breed her. Also, I am not even sure they would give you a COP, since she is a 2-year old. You should probably contact the office on this one.

[not again]

What is the status of the CWHBA versus the CSHA? I am a great believer in dealing with an organization operating under the laws of my own country.;)

[sporthorsefilly]

I would probably start with the registries that Freedom Z is approved by, and check with them to see if they would accept a 2 year old out of a TB mare. If the mare is yours, you may want to present both she and her 2 year old filly. Most registries want to approve the mare, before they approve a foal.

Old/NA is sticky about approval unless both parents have been presented to them. They do NOT accept stallions who are approved in other registries, even European Registries, unless the stallion has been presented to them. (Example: My 5 year old mare's mother is in the Main mare book of ISR/OldNA, my mare's sire is fully approved Swedish (in Sweden) and was a GP jumper on three continents...but ISR/OldNA would not accept my mare, because the (now 20 Year old) sire had not been presented to them...go figure.)

[retired4now]

I have access to the mare and would be willing to get her registered with the owners consent. I have managed to find FreedomZ on the list for the Hanoverian and the ISR/Old NA
From the research I have done, it seems that the ISR/Old folk would be willing to register her if I present the mare and have proof of relation (read.. DNA typing proof). I'm just not sure how long this is going to take.
On the plus side, there are inspections for the GOV, Hano, and Old NA/ISR all in my neck of the woods in August of this year, I just can't guarentee that I will have the info they require by the time they roll around.

Rumor has it the previous owner of the dam MAY have been presented to the GOV, so I will send them info and try to find out.

ARGG... who would have thought this could be so challenging!

[Hillside H Ranch]

Old/NA is sticky about approval unless both parents have been presented to them. They do NOT accept stallions who are approved in other registries, even European Registries, unless the stallion has been presented to them. (Example: My 5 year old mare's mother is in the Main mare book of ISR/OldNA, my mare's sire is fully approved Swedish (in Sweden) and was a GP jumper on three continents...but ISR/OldNA would not accept my mare, because the (now 20 Year old) sire had not been presented to them...go figure.)

I don't think this is exactly right. It must be on a case-by-case basis, as I often use stallions (frozen semen) that haven't been inspected by ISR/Old NA. As long as ISR/Old NA okays it and I pay for a breeding permit then those foals are registerable.

I think the problem you might run into here is that your filly is 2 years old. A lot of registries have an age cut-off for registration; for a lot of them that is 1 year old.

[clint]

Ditto what HillsideH said. I have contacted Oldenburg/NA about breeding my Oldenburg/NA mare to stallions not presented to them, and depending on the stallion it is okay as long as a foreign stallion fee is paid. The problem here is the dam wasn't approved, so you are going to have hoops to go through here regardless of the registry. If the dam was already presented to GOV, that will make life easier for you. If the dam wasn't presented but is still available, that will also make things easier. Without either of these options, a COP from the stallion's registry may be your best course of action.

[DownYonder]

Rumor has it the previous owner of the dam MAY have been presented to the GOV, so I will send them info and try to find out.

Send me a PM with the dam's registered name, sire/damsire, and DOB (or whatever information you have for her), and I will check with the office and see if she is in the Oldenburg (GOV) mare books. If so, you may be able to get your filly registered. They usually do not like to issue registration papers for other than weanlings and yearlings, but will sometimes consider 2 y/o's if the dam is already in the MMB and the sire is fully approved. Freedom Z was approved by Hannover in Germany and performance tested there, so even if he was never on the Oldenburg stallion roster, he would be eligible for a breeding allowance since Hannover is a fully acknowledged registry.

[imajacres]

is this a chestnut filly out of a chestnut dam?
Just curious, wonder if I know of her.
If so, that TB dam is approved something warmblood. Freedom Z has other foals registered with CWHBA so he must be somehow on their list.

[retired4now]

Wow! Thanks everone for all the info so far.
DownYonder and imajacres, you both have PM's waiting for you!

Perhaps slowly the pieces will come together?

[DownYonder]

Wow! Thanks everone for all the info so far.
DownYonder and imajacres, you both have PM's waiting for you!

Perhaps slowly the pieces will come together?

PM'd you back with a question.

[retired4now]

Answered!

[WhatzUp]

is this a chestnut filly out of a chestnut dam?
Just curious, wonder if I know of her.
If so, that TB dam is approved something warmblood. Freedom Z has other foals registered with CWHBA so he must be somehow on their list.

Hi,

Freedom Z is registered but not Licensed or Approved with CWHBA.

http://www.clrc.ca/cgi-bin/pedigree.cgi?_breedcode=WC&_countrycode=DED&_association=27&_regnumberprefix=&_regnumber=316874187&_regnumbersuffix (http://www.clrc.ca/cgi-bin/pedigree.cgi?_breedcode=WC&_countrycode=DED&_association=27&_regnumberprefix=&_regnumber=316874187&_regnumbersuffix)=

He is listed as a Hanoverian but that is a weird registration number ...

Yours in sport,

Lynn

[DownYonder]

Answered!

Got an answer back from the office in Germany and it is good news! Check your PMs.

[facinated]

Paper = Paper. E- mails + phone calls + checks = Papers!!