Some rabicano TB questions [Archive]

RioTex

Jun. 2, 2008, 10:16 AM

I brought home a two year old filly yesterday that I guess is rabicano. Skunk tail and lots of white at her flanks/belly. She has a bunch of white on the bottom side of her neck as well. Will this coloring change as she ages? I know sabino doesn't reproduce reliably, is rabicano the same? She's such a cutie (even if she were plain bay).

Blue Yonder

Jun. 2, 2008, 11:32 AM

I have a "flaming" rabicano TB gelding who was born here on the farm, so I've seen all his iterations. He's 4 this year. In different seasons, the amount of white present changes a bit. Very very interesting color pattern!

Rabicano can reproduce reliably. Well, 50/50 at least, as the last research I read (2 or 3 years ago) wasn't certain if a homozygous rabicano could exist, like roan. The big question is to what extent it will be expressed. I have a full sister to the gelding whose rabicano-ness is shown by a handful of white tail hairs and a teeny tiny bit of scattered white hairs on the flank. Ya just never know!!

Hope your new girl is wonderful!

Ladybug Hill

Jun. 2, 2008, 11:35 AM

Pictures please!!!

RioTex

Jun. 2, 2008, 10:13 PM

She's going to be interesting. Very athletic and bold. Thanks for the input.
Tail (http://pic15.picturetrail.com/VOL633/2937566/19356142/319825933.jpg)
Flank (http://pic15.picturetrail.com/VOL633/2937566/19356142/319825936.jpg)
Underside of neck (http://pic15.picturetrail.com/VOL633/2937566/19356142/319825941.jpg)

ToTheNines

Jun. 2, 2008, 11:13 PM

Ya got papers on that TB? Us App folks would call that a solid appy!

Look forward to seeing her in person. HB at the summer circuit maybe?

wildREDhorse

Jun. 4, 2008, 12:13 AM

YOU bought a filly? lol. The parts of her look cute. :) Wonder what the rest of her looks like. When is her debut?

RioTex

Jun. 4, 2008, 07:00 AM

Nope not A filly, two of them :eek: The two year old and her half-sister. :D

Spooks

Jan. 6, 2009, 03:52 PM

Not sure if you are still looking for info but thought I'd reply anyway. I have a rabicano TB gelding. He is 12 this year. On his JC papers there is a very thorough description of his markings as a foal and based on that I can say that his coloration has not changed as he has aged. He still has all the white markings in the same places as described, and no new ones. The visibility of the flank/barrel roaning varies depending on whether he has his summer or winter coat.

That striped tail comes in handy when we are in the show ring with 30 other bay geldings. You can't miss him! :)

blackstallion2

Jan. 6, 2009, 07:31 PM

I have a rabicano 5 year old TB filly out of "solid" parents. She is a bright chestnut with the flank white, white in tail, light roaning, full blaze with lower lip white and white spot on lower lip, belly spot, jagged edge high white on one rear leg and a stocking on the other rear leg. So- I am guessing sabino/rabicano. Mom is a bay with a thin blaze and 2 coronets who has only produced bay solids in the past. Dad is a black with one sock and a star who throws a lot of white when bred to patterned horses (like appies!). She has a full brother or sister due in a month or so - fingers crossed for a black sabino rabicano, although, apparantly neither gene expresses 100% of the time otherwise her coloring wouldn't have been possible! :cool:

LivviesMom

Jan. 6, 2009, 08:29 PM

I have a 4 year old mare. She alwasy had the skunk tail but very very little roaning in her flank and barrel until she hit about 2. It has stayed pretty consistent since. In the summer, the roaning gives her a really neat brindle look. I love it and hope she does pass it to any offspring. Only drawback is people like to tell me I need to worm her more regularly cause shes rubbing her tail!

back in the saddle

Jan. 6, 2009, 09:51 PM

Everyone.... post pictures!!!! ;)

florida foxhunter

Jan. 6, 2009, 10:00 PM

RioTex

Jan. 7, 2009, 01:20 PM

Will be interesting to see if she sheds out any differently this spring. Color hasn't really changed in the past six months.

Equilibrium

Mar. 11, 2009, 02:05 AM

camohn

Mar. 11, 2009, 07:31 AM

Rabicanno is often linked to a Tobiano Pinto. I have had several pinto mares have had solid foals with the Rabicanno gene. They may not be fully expressed at birth, but don't seem to progress much after it's expressed.
My current favorite horse to ride/show/foxhunt is a Rabbicanno!!.and he's now coming 9 and hasn't changed in color since he was two!!! He's black with just a little roaning in his flank and of course at the head of his tail...........
I get lots of good comments!!
Well there is some question if rabicano is a form of sabino. SB1, the one sabino gene they CAN map so far, is located very close to the Tobiano gene on the KIT gene so Tobi and sabino are in fact often linked in inheritance.

Secretariat2

Mar. 11, 2009, 10:35 AM

I have a great TB mare with rabicano coloring. She is 11 now and it seems to be more and more pronounced as she gets older - more white tail hairs and more roaning. I bred her to my solid chestnut stallion and got a gorgeous light (almost dark palomino) chestnut colt with oodles of chrome and flaxen mane and tail. I was wondering if it is common to get the flaxen mane and tail from a rabicano mare? Don't think it came from the stallion as he is a copper chestnut. He has some chrome, but no rabicano attributes. I plan to repeat the breeding soon as the foal is lovely apart from his coloring, but it certainly does add to his appeal :)

FriesianX

Mar. 11, 2009, 10:39 AM

I have a rabacino Tbred mare and a rabicano/sabino (splash?) Warmblood gelding. Both have changed (more roaning) each year. The gelding will be 2 this Spring - as a baby, he had just a few roan hairs, now, as he is shedding out this Spring, I can already see a TON of white in his flanks and belly. He also has a few crop out white spots and a wild keyhole blaze.

The mare is starting to shed out too, and showing a bit more white than last year. She has the classic coon tail - that doesn't seem to be changing much, but the white in her flanks is showing up more this year.

Just to play with color a bit more - have a bay roan boarding here, one I owned since he was a year old, and sold this past year - so every spring, I see the new colors for him too, and HE also changes annually!

LivviesMom

Mar. 11, 2009, 03:47 PM

My TB filly, born a couple of weeks ago has amazing white hairs all over her body. On her back just behind her withers, and on her stifles already. And she has the skunk tail. I have a chestnut filly who never had the hairs as a foal, but as she got older grew more over time.

Just wondering will she get more as time goes by? She will be some looker if she does!

Terri

Well. My mare has stayed pretty much the same since she was a year or two. She has a really neat brindle pattern when she sheds out.. very faint but its there. So I guess it depends on the indivdual whether they gain more roaning our not.. I'll have to compare this year when she finally sheds out.

Katy9532

Mar. 11, 2009, 04:12 PM

Well. My mare has stayed pretty much the same since she was a year or two. She has a really neat brindle pattern when she sheds out.. very faint but its there. So I guess it depends on the indivdual whether they gain more roaning our not.. I'll have to compare this year when she finally sheds out.

Its nice to hear you call your mares roaning a brindle pattern. My mare had the same type of roaning with a ton of white in her skunk tail. I thought I was crazy or seeing things when I saw the "brindle stripes."

I have a filly out of her, and know someone who owns her only other filly. Then other filly was chestnut roan. My filly from her is now 10mo old, and I have started to notice several white hairs at her flank and a skunk tail starting to come in. She did not start showing the roaning until she was about 8mo old.

spacely

Mar. 11, 2009, 04:42 PM

I have a rabicano TB mare. She's chestnut with just a star & lots of roaning on her sides. She's getting more as she gets older. Her reg name is On The Deck if you want to look it up. Pics below.

I have a 4 yr old mare that I suspect is rabicano also but don't have any good pics to share at this time. Her tail has LOTS of white hairs in it and she has some other "suspicious" white hairs. Her dad was gray though she is bay with a stripe (w/spots in it) & 2 irregular hind socks. She's definitely not going gray & may or may not be sabino.

RiddleMeThis

Mar. 11, 2009, 05:12 PM

Does the brindling look like this?
http://greenfield.fortunecity.com/dreams/799/hc/rabicano1.jpg

I would love to see it!

Katy9532

Mar. 11, 2009, 05:39 PM

I can't open your link.

The only pic that I have of my mare does not happen to show the brindling at all. So you really will think it was all my imagination. You can however get a pretty good idea of her roaning and skunk tail.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kghagan5/3347002589/

LivviesMom

Mar. 12, 2009, 01:04 PM

Its nice to hear you call your mares roaning a brindle pattern. My mare had the same type of roaning with a ton of white in her skunk tail. I thought I was crazy or seeing things when I saw the "brindle stripes."

I have a filly out of her, and know someone who owns her only other filly. Then other filly was chestnut roan. My filly from her is now 10mo old, and I have started to notice several white hairs at her flank and a skunk tail starting to come in. She did not start showing the roaning until she was about 8mo old.

LOL I have no idea if thats a correct term but thats what it looks like to me!

I have a picture on my home computer that shows it.I will find it and post later on. I love it. Liv didnt really show any roaning until she was about the same age. Shes started to shed so I'll see pretty soon if she has any more this year.

Eventingjunkie

Mar. 12, 2009, 01:44 PM

My daughter's Dutch WB is a great example of a Rabicano. Depending on the season, the roaning appears more like brindle with verticle lines going down the rib cage. In the winter he looks like a dark bay with a skunk tail. He comes from the Ladykiller line (who was thoroughbred)...Ladykiller has passed this characteristic on to many of his babies.

Here is a pretty clear picture of our horse. You can see the brindling on his body which look like vertical lines...even when he is fat as a tick, people will say they see his ribs, and I explain it is an illussion created by the brindling.

http://ennisbrookfarm.com/ennisbrook1/OBtrojanhorse.jpg

back in the saddle

Mar. 15, 2009, 10:22 PM

FLIPPED HER HALO

Mar. 15, 2009, 10:57 PM

My bay TB mare has more and more white hairs flecked throughout her coat this year and a few at the top of her tail. I've also noticed some small white birdcatcher spots coming out on the side of her neck this spring. Other than that she has a small star. She had a colt this year by Sempatico and he does have some roaning near his tail and on his side (but I've seen this in several of his offspring). Her colt is mostly white and that did shock me. My mares whole sire line (and her FULL sister) are all greys. Her dam is a solid dark bay/back with no white.

Eventingjunkie

Mar. 15, 2009, 10:57 PM

Very nice!

Was one of his parents Rabicano? My filly is rabicano but neither one of her parents has the trait. Both are solid black or bay with the dam only having one tiny tiny star.

Has he gotten more white with age?

He was imported from Holland as a baby, and we got him four years ago when he was nine, so I don't know about his parents. I have seen photos of other Ladykiller descendants which have similar markings.

His coloring has not changed much from year to year, the change is mainly dependant on the season.

In winter he looks almost black and is very very fuzzy. Clip off the fuzz and he looks almost gray when he is naked. In the summer he looks like a bleached out bay. In the winter people say he looks like a blue roan, in summer like a bay roan.

Spooks

Mar. 16, 2009, 09:33 AM

Here are a couple of pictures of my horse's tail:

Tail and flank (you can see a bit of the roaning)
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f87/harderea/rabicano%20coloring/IMG_3297-1.jpg

View of tail from above - you can see the typical white bars or stripes at the tail head here:
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f87/harderea/rabicano%20coloring/Bromont2008005-1-1.jpg

He gets very faint brindling on his barrel but I don't have any good photos of that. The reflection of light off his coat makes it difficult to capture.